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    Vanguard Global Ventures

    The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

    Vanguard Global Ventures

    Looking around a bit further, I also see that Gwen Mouzin and Paulette Peutz are promoting this one.



    Some of Greg Wilson's involvement can be read at:
    https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity
    http://myvgv.com/turboprosperity
    http://mycashgeyser.com
    http://turboprosperity.com
    http://archive.aweber.com/amcbiz
    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOu...?feature=watch

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    Registered through: ExtremeFastWeb.com
    Domain Name: MYVGV.COM
    Created on: 26-Dec-12
    Expires on: 26-Dec-13
    Last Updated on: 26-Jan-13

    Registrant:
    AMS Inc

    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States

    Administrative Contact:
    Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
    AMS Inc
    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States
    (949) 760-2732

    Technical Contact:
    Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
    AMS Inc
    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States
    (949) 760-2732

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS3.RIPBYRD.COM
    NS4.RIPBYRD.COM

    Registered through: ExtremeFastWeb.com
    Domain Name: VANGUARDGLOBALVENTURES.COM
    Created on: 20-Dec-12
    Expires on: 20-Dec-13
    Last Updated on: 14-Jan-13

    Registrant:
    AMS Inc

    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States

    Administrative Contact:
    Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
    AMS Inc
    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States
    (949) 760-2732

    Technical Contact:
    Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
    AMS Inc
    3334 E Coast Hwy #288
    Corona Del Mar, California 92625
    United States
    (949) 760-2732

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS15.IXWEBHOSTING.COM
    NS16.IXWEBHOSTING.COM
    http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/VANGUARD...TURES-LLC.html

    Hmm. That's the same Daryl Rice who ran americanmailingsystems.org.
    http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/AMERICAN...STEMS-INC.html

    And probably Affiliate Marketing Service as well.
    http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/AFFILIAT...RVICE-INC.html

    And... oh dear.
    http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/MAILING-...IONAL-INC.html
    http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/MAILING-...IONAL-INC.html
    http://www.manta.com/c/mmlp92w/m-s-i-direct-response

    Permanently revoked? Than remade in another state?


    Could this be the same Daryl Rice who was involved in the Thomas Burton money laundering sting operation?
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/s...urton-bar.html
    http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfr...776.CCA.htm/qx
    http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.g...doc_no=S161928


    Just in case, I think that I had best list some of Daryl's known websites and business data.
    They include a number of sites apparently being used by others, but registered in Daryl's name, in
    addition to those which his company runs.



    Daryl R. Rice

    extremefastmail@gmail.com
    daryl@mailingteam.com
    806-209-0970
    949-760-2732
    949-722-8893
    949-631-3575
    949-722-2524
    http://www.mailingteam.com
    http://www.myvgv.com
    http://www.vanguardglobalventures.com
    http://www.GetPaidBigMoneyAtHome.com
    http://www.myelitegroup.com
    http://www.mypostcardguy.com
    http://www.printandmailfast.com
    http://www.extremefastprint.com
    http://www.proventoworksystem.com
    http://www.postcardwealthsystem.com (under the name of Cheryl Rice, vitality@cox.net, but the same company)
    http://www.PMF7.com
    http://www.fortunelessons.com
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daryl-rice/46/874/105
    http://www.get32bfree.com
    http://www.vanguardrocks.com
    http://www.getpaidmoneyathome.com
    http://www.joinusgetpaid.com
    http://www.wealthtrainingvideo.com
    http://www.cashpowercenter.com
    http://www.mailsystemsinc.com
    http://www.provenpostcards.com
    http://www.myelitegroup.com
    http://www.getpaidonlineprofits.com
    http://www.commonsensecashpump.com (cash gifting scam? Appears to have been made for a "Kenneth Meeks" KM1012.pdf )
    http://www.empowerpostcards.com
    http://www.getpaidonmonthlybills.com
    http://www.freedvdprofits.com
    http://yourichtoday.com ( http://www.mailingteam.com/pwg/trp.html )
    http://www.easylifewealth.com



    There appears to be a business connection between Daryl Rice and www.dajdirect.com , but the nature of it
    is not yet known to me.

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins
    Greg Wilson aka TurboProsperity is a member of the Peoples Program illegal cash gifting scheme



    Greg Wilson @ TurboProsperity on Twitter



    Greg Wilsons' own get-rich-quick-scam website TurboProsperity.com

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.
    What are you saying? Just because they are both in The People's Program that if they are in another program it is a scam? I don't see any proof at all.

    I have to defend Larry Oxenham, shocked that you would say he is a scam. He has been around for quite awhile in the home business arena and he has always answered any questions I have. He answers all of his own e-mails, answers his phone. He is very transparent. He is so helpful and only wants to help others succeed.

    I don't agree with the above posts at all.
    We DO the Work, you Collect the Money FREE Booklet http://myglobalventures.com
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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Rebecca,
    Whether he is nice and helpful has nothing to do with the matter under discussion. The fact remains that "cash gifting," one of Larry's core businesses, is a crime throughout the United States. The fact also remains that the man is one of The People's Programs' biggest trainers, teaching victims to break the law on his own behalf.

    And in case you missed it, the majority of the post wasn't even about him, but rather his business partner Daryl Rice.



    Rebecca West (used Becky West when she was in Ad Surf Daily)

    7562 Hillcress Ct.,
    Barnhart, Missouri 63012

    rebpaparazzi@gmail.com
    myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
    beckystravelbiz@gmail.com
    helpingustayhome@gmail.com
    573-631-4508
    636-464-5607
    http://www.myglobalventures.com
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/becky-west/15/787/405
    http://www.makeloyalcustomers.com/contact/rwest
    http://primitivedecoratingideas.com
    http://getrichclicknow.blogspot.com
    http://tiffanydowmakemoneywriting.blogspot.com
    https://plus.google.com/105879655708898489155/posts
    http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/me...estfam11.2314/
    http://www.paparazziaccessories.com/11282
    http://www.salespider.com/c-33802833...lobal-ventures
    http://www.salespider.com/p-13462073/rebecca-west
    http://www.wahm.com/forum/members/49851-ceomom
    http://www.goodonlineincome.com (was http://www.ad-cash-income.com/members/westfam in 2008)
    http://www.myareabusiness.net
    http://www.buysomebeads.com
    http://www.columbiaskinnywraps.com




    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: MYGLOBALVENTURES.COM
    Created on: 02-Apr-13
    Expires on: 02-Apr-14
    Last Updated on: 02-Apr-13

    Registrant:
    Rebecca West
    12090 N. Route B
    Hallsville, Missouri 65255
    United States

    Administrative Contact:
    West, Rebecca myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
    12090 N. Route B
    Hallsville, Missouri 65255
    United States
    5736314508

    Technical Contact:
    West, Rebecca myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
    12090 N. Route B
    Hallsville, Missouri 65255
    United States
    5736314508

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS47.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
    NS48.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    The legality of cash gifting has been argued and written about extensively. I know Larry, not Daryl. Larry does help his contacts extensively. He cares. If he has partnered with Daryl in this legal venture (Global Ventures) he is doing it to help those who have been scammed before.

    As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

    Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.
    We are all respnsible for our "activities" in life. If TPP was ilegal it would be gone by now, again imo.

    We all appreciate people looking out for our best interest in home business, I appreciate Larry.

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Quote Originally Posted by DanBetz View Post
    The legality of cash gifting has been argued and written about extensively. I know Larry, not Daryl. Larry does help his contacts extensively. He cares. If he has partnered with Daryl in this legal venture (Global Ventures) he is doing it to help those who have been scammed before.

    As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

    Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.
    We are all respnsible for our "activities" in life. If TPP was ilegal it would be gone by now, again imo.

    We all appreciate people looking out for our best interest in home business, I appreciate Larry.

    Not a pyramid? Let's take a look at the law which applies out there in Bagley, MN where you are Dan.


    MLM Law: Minnesota
    Unlawful Practices
    State Statutes
    MINNESOTA
    325F.69 Unlawful practices.
    Subdivision 1. Fraud, misrepresentation, deceptive practices. The act, use, or
    employment by any person of any fraud, false pretense, false promise,
    misrepresentation, misleading statement or deceptive practice, with the intent that
    others rely thereon in connection with the sale of any merchandise, whether or not
    any person has in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as
    provided herein.
    Subd. 2. Referral and chain referral selling prohibited.
    (1) With respect to any sale or lease the seller or lessor may not give or
    offer a rebate or discount or otherwise pay or offer to pay value to the
    buyer or lessee as an inducement for a sale or lease in consideration of
    the buyer's or lessee's giving to the seller or lessor the names of
    prospective purchasers or lessees, or otherwise aiding the seller or
    lessor in making a sale or lease to another person, if the earning of the
    rebate, discount or other value is contingent upon the occurrence of an
    event subsequent to the time the buyer or lessee agrees to buy or lease.
    (2) (a) With respect to any sale or lease, it shall be illegal for any seller
    or lessor to operate or attempt to operate any plans or operations for
    the disposal or distribution of property or franchise or both whereby a
    participant gives or agrees to give a valuable consideration for the
    chance to receive something of value for inducing one or more
    additional persons to give a valuable consideration in order to
    participate in the plan or operation, or for the chance to receive
    something of value when a person induced by the participant induces a
    new participant to give such valuable consideration including such
    plans known as chain referrals, pyramid sales, or multilevel sales
    distributorships. (b) The phrase "something of value" as used in
    paragraph (a) above, does not mean or include payment based upon
    sales made to persons who are not purchasing in order to participate in
    the prohibited plan or operation.
    (3) If a buyer or lessee is induced by a violation of this subdivision to
    enter into a sale or lease, the agreement is unenforceable and the buyer
    or lessee has the option to rescind the agreement with the seller or
    lessor and, upon tendering the property received, or what remains of it,
    obtain full or in the case of remains, a proportional restitution of all
    sums paid, or retain the goods delivered and the benefit of any services
    performed without any further obligation to pay for them.
    (4) With respect to a sale or lease in violation of this section an
    assignee of the rights of the seller or lessor is subject to all claims and
    defenses of the buyer or lessee against the seller or lessor arising out of
    the sale or lease notwithstanding an agreement to the contrary, but the
    assignee's liability under this section may not exceed the amount
    owing to the assignee at the time the claim or defense is asserted
    against the assignee. Rights of the buyer or lessee under this section
    can only be asserted as a matter of defense to or setoff against a claim
    by the assignee.
    (5) In a sale or lease in violation of this section, the seller or lessor
    may not take a negotiable instrument other than a check as evidence of
    the obligation of the buyer or lessee. A holder is not in good faith if the
    holder takes a negotiable instrument with notice that it is issued in
    violation of this section.
    (6) Any person who violates any provision of this subdivision shall be
    guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
    Subd. 3. Advertising media excluded. Sections 325F.68 to 325F.70 shall apply to
    actions of the owner, publisher, agent or employee of newspapers, magazines, other
    printed matter or radio or television stations or other advertising media used for the
    publication or dissemination of an advertisement, only if the owner, publisher, agent,
    or employee has either knowledge of the false, misleading or deceptive character of
    the advertisement or a financial interest in the sale or distribution of the advertised
    merchandise.
    Subd. 4. Solicitation of money for merchandise not ordered or services not
    performed. The act, use, or employment by any person of any solicitation for payment
    of money by another by any statement or invoice, or any writing that could
    reasonably be interpreted as a statement or invoice, for merchandise not yet ordered
    or for services not yet performed and not yet ordered, whether or not any person has
    in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as provided herein.
    Subd. 5. Prohibited going out of business sales. It is illegal for any person to represent
    falsely that a sale is a "going out of business sale." Any representation that a sale is a
    "going out of business sale" is presumed to be false and illegal under this subdivision,
    if at that location or within a relevant market area:
    (1) the sale has been represented to be a "going out of business sale"
    for a period of more than 120 days;
    (2) the business has increased its inventory for the sale by ordering or
    purchasing an unusual amount of merchandise during the sale or
    during the 90 days before the sale began;
    (3) the business, or any of its officers or directors, has advertised any
    other sale as a "going out of business sale" during the 120 days before
    this sale began; or
    (4) the sale has continued after a date on which the business has
    represented, expressly or by reasonable implication, that the business
    would terminate.
    Any presumption arising under clauses (1) to (4) may be rebutted if the business
    shows, by clear and convincing evidence, that the sale was in fact conducted in
    anticipation of the imminent termination of the business. This subdivision does not
    apply to a sale in any statutory or home rule charter city that by ordinance requires the
    licensing of persons conducting a "going out of business sale," nor to public officers
    acting in the course of their official duties.
    Subdivision (2)(a) certainly seems to describe TPP.

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    I definitely have to disagree with your defamation of Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures.

    I've known Larry for about 5 years. We've spoke on the phone numerous times, and every e-mail I've sent him has been promptly replied to. In all of my experiences with Larry, he's never been anything but ethical, forthright, and honest. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that his middle name was "integrity".

    Vanguard Global Ventures has been in the planning stages for at least a year, and is a culmination of suggestions from normal people, like myself, who have joined programs in the past, but for one reason or another, haven't had a lot of success. Everything about VGV is straightforward, transparent, legal, and will undoubtedly help thousands of people not only earn money, but build the customer lists necessary for those us working from home to succeed in every legal business imaginable. While the concept of VGV isn't new, a few things were tweaked in order to make a person's eventual success much easier, and avoid the pitfalls that so many of us have experienced in the past. Not to mention the huge bonus of having the undeniable experience and caring attitude of Larry Oxenham as one of the administrators. This program is certainly a win/win.

    I don't know anything about any of the other people that you mentioned, and the only program you referenced that I'm familiar with is The People's Program. Although I'm not a member, I did research it, and it appears to be an excellent, 100% legal way to pay it forward, and benefit from others doing the same.

    I'm curious to know what it is about Vanguard Global Ventures that would cause you to come on a public forum and bad-mouth it. Do you even know ANYTHING about it? Is your only intention to tarnish the image of a great program that we all helped build just because you don't like one or more of the people who are promoting it, or businesses they've been involved with in the past?

    Regardless, if you want to trash someone or a program, leave Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures out of it, because neither of them could be any more legit, and I'm offended by your implications.

    Thank You,

    Charles

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins View Post
    The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

    Vanguard Global Ventures

    Looking around a bit further, I also see that Gwen Mouzin and Paulette Peutz are promoting this one.



    Some of Greg Wilson's involvement can be read at:
    https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity
    VGV-Beach Capture Page
    VGV-Beach Capture Page
    Top Team of: The Peoples Program | The Empower Network | Amc-Usa
    We're sad to see you leave, and hope you'll reconsider staying with us.
    Greg Wilson - YouTube

    -------------------------------







    Vanguard Global Ventures LLC - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)

    Hmm. That's the same Daryl Rice who ran americanmailingsystems.org.
    American Mailing Systems Inc. - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)

    And probably Affiliate Marketing Service as well.
    Affiliate Marketing Service, Inc. - California Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)

    And... oh dear.
    Mailing Systems International, Inc. - California Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)
    Mailing Systems International, Inc - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)
    http://www.manta.com/c/mmlp92w/m-s-i-direct-response

    Permanently revoked? Than remade in another state?


    Could this be the same Daryl Rice who was involved in the Thomas Burton money laundering sting operation?
    State Bar wouldn't let guilty lawyer resign: OC Watchdog Blog: Orange County Register
    FindACaseô | United States v. Rice
    California Courts - Appellate Court Case Information


    Just in case, I think that I had best list some of Daryl's known websites and business data.
    They include a number of sites apparently being used by others, but registered in Daryl's name, in
    addition to those which his company runs.



    Daryl R. Rice

    extremefastmail@gmail.com
    daryl@mailingteam.com
    806-209-0970
    949-760-2732
    949-722-8893
    949-631-3575
    949-722-2524
    Home Page
    http://www.myvgv.com
    Vanguard Global Ventures
    Welcome To Perpetual Cash Leveraging
    Fortune Wisdom Course
    Postcard Print and Mail Service
    Print and Mail Fast
    Extreme Fast Print - Home
    Work From Beach
    Print and Mail Fast - "Beat-the-Recession" sales page (under the name of Cheryl Rice, vitality@cox.net, but the same company)
    Print and Mail Fast
    Fortune Wisdom Course
    Daryl Rice | LinkedIn
    http://www.get32bfree.com
    http://www.vanguardrocks.com
    Welcome To Perpetual Cash Leveraging
    Hi this is Paul, I made $600 in my first 48 hours. Don't pass this up!!
    Empower Network: Weird Recruiting Trick
    http://www.cashpowercenter.com
    http://www.mailsystemsinc.com
    Instant Direct Mail System
    Fortune Wisdom Course
    Generate Free MLM Leads For Your Business
    http://www.commonsensecashpump.com (cash gifting scam? Appears to have been made for a "Kenneth Meeks" KM1012.pdf )
    EmpowerPostcards
    Get Paid On Monthly Bills
    Free DVD Profits
    YouRichToday ( Print and Mail Postcards )
    http://www.easylifewealth.com



    There appears to be a business connection between Daryl Rice and Mailing Lists Home Page , but the nature of it
    is not yet known to me.

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    I definitely have to disagree with your defamation of Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures.

    I've known Larry for about 5 years. We've spoke on the phone numerous times, and every e-mail I've sent him has been promptly replied to. In all of my experiences with Larry, he's never been anything but ethical, forthright, and honest. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that his middle name was "integrity".

    Vanguard Global Ventures has been in the planning stages for at least a year, and is a culmination of suggestions from normal people, like myself, who have joined programs in the past, but for one reason or another, haven't had a lot of success. Everything about VGV is straightforward, transparent, legal, and will undoubtedly help thousands of people not only earn money, but build the customer lists necessary for those us working from home to succeed in every legal business imaginable. While the concept of VGV isn't new, a few things were tweaked in order to make a person's eventual success much easier, and avoid the pitfalls that so many of us have experienced in the past. Not to mention the huge bonus of having the undeniable experience and caring attitude of Larry Oxenham as one of the administrators. This program is certainly a win/win.

    I don't know anything about any of the other people that you mentioned, and the only program you referenced that I'm familiar with is The People's Program. Although I'm not a member, I did research it, and it appears to be an excellent, 100% legal way to pay it forward, and benefit from others doing the same.

    I'm curious to know what it is about Vanguard Global Ventures that would cause you to come on a public forum and bad-mouth it. Do you even know ANYTHING about it? Is your only intention to tarnish the image of a great program that we all helped build just because you don't like one or more of the people who are promoting it, or businesses they've been involved with in the past?

    I see you trying to defend your position by saying that your post is mostly about Daryl, or cash gifting, but the fact is that your main statement is that Vanguard is a scam, and the "latest" scam at that, meaning there were previous ones. I whole-heartedly disagree with your contention that Vanguard is anything less than on the level, nor do I care for you insinuating that Larry promotes scams.

    Regardless, if you want to trash someone or a program, leave Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures out of it, because neither of them could be any more legit, and I'm offended by your implications.

    Thank You,

    Charles

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Can't think for yourself, Charles?

    Try looking up some of Larry's past blunders. Brilliant Mail? Key to Cash? A programme offering 10%-12.5% per month on your investment? His old namesake cash gifting programme Lazy Wealth?

    In case you missed the ark, Mr. Coleman, "cash gifting" has been very thoroughly proven to be illegal in the courts. And The Peoples Program, using a 1-up system, is a pyramid scheme. See the Securities & Exchange Commission's shutdown of Prosperity Automated System for the proof that a 1-up is a pyramid under the law. Perhaps, instead of self-actualization, you should have gone on a personal quest for objective truth?

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    In the home based business arena Larry Oxenham is a breath of fresh air. I don't know Daryl but if he is someone that Larry has chosen to partner with that's good enough for me. Larry is someone who quite obviously does his due diligence. He is also a great mentor. When I dial his number, he personally answers the phone and my email queries are generally responded to within the hour. He's a great trainer and his advice has always been sound. I have always found that the best guage of a man's character is the opinion of his peers and associates. As one of those, I give him an A+!

    As for the TPP cash gifting program that you are so vehemently opposed to (I am not a member) please explain to me why, if the program is as illegal as you claim, it is still in existence. And while you're at it you might want to visit Larry's website, LazyWealth.com, and take a look at some of the great programs he's involved with such as AMC, Inc. and TriVita. Vanguard Global Ventures, a year in development, is going to be a huge success simply because Larry Oxenham is driving the bus!

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Regarding the nearly 5 year old Peoples Program: Respectfully, “Professor”, what you are saying is that if 10 of us got together and each gave you $14,000 (the 2013 Gift Tax Exclusion), you would turn down the $140,000 in gifts? Of course you would, because...to you... that would be illegal!

    Regarding Vanguard Global Ventures (VGV): Again, respectfully, “Professor”, Why is this a scam? Have you even bothered to looked into the business?

    If you haven’t, perhaps you should, the Bank of America spent weeks reviewing their business model and are now VGV’s payment processor... I’m just sayin’...

    Sincerely,

    Mark L

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    I think that you are confusing apples and squid, Mark. What you describe could well be valid under the IRS regulations. What TPP does, however, very clearly is in violation of both the IRS gift rules and of FTC advertising guidelines.

    Also, seeing how Larry Oxenham's followers are coming out of the woodworks to defend him in a decidedly sheeple-like fashion, perhaps I ought to make a thread just about him, much as we have one about Brad Kamanski, so that this one can be devoted to discussion of VGV and not a barrage of tangential noise?

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    Why is this a scam?
    Mark very simply as a matter of law cash gifting "programs" are illegal. If I gave you $14,000 and then you gave me $14,000 there is nothing illegal about that. But that is not how these programs work or no one would participate. The people on the top take a cut of any "gift" and despite what anyone says or signs there is an expectation of profit. That expectation is based on the premise that you can recruit more people who will give you a cut, and that they will recruit more people that will give them a cut. Basically it is a pyramid without even the guise of a product and is illegal. As such it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for there not to be losers.

    One of principles in applying law is The Doctrine of Substance over Form, simply put the real intent of a transaction is what the law is concerned about, not what you call it. Which is the same reason you could not operate a brothel and skirt the law by charging a membership fee for "free entertainment".
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    It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums

    Stop Hate and Cyberbullying Against Internet Marketers Worldwide Petition

    An established member of the forum making a lot of posts mostly digging up info meant to ridicule people. Iím not opposed to a good intellectual discussion but stooping to lows of posting info about people and calling something a scam when itís not is another thing. Iím surprised that this type of stuff is allowed here... But when the post attempts to try and falsely discredit a perfectly legitimate company and potentially do damage to peoples livelihoods, then thatís something else. Simply starting a thread using this as a keyword to get on the first page of google and claim itís a scam is wrong. Itís a false statement. The company is not a scamÖperiod. Posting a bunch of links to stuff about people who are reputable and have a lot of social and business proof to back that up, trying to claim that they are not is also misleading . But if posting info is ok, then lets posts some info. I urge people to do their due diligence. Vanguard is not gifting , itís a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or independently researched. Direct mail businesses have been operating for more than 30 years and the founders of this one have also been operating successful reputable businesses for as long. The founders cannot control what people come online to say they can only control what they do and how they treat people and they have a solid reputation on that front. Those are the facts but we canít help it if people want to come here and trash talk.

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    So you reply with insults???
    "...decidedly sheeple-like..." and "...a barrage of tangential noise."

    Wow, Henry! What's up with that?? A bit touchy aren't you???

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    So you reply with insults???
    "...decidedly sheeple-like..." and "...a barrage of tangential noise."

    Wow, Henry! What's up with that?? A bit touchy aren't you???
    I don't know about Henry but, I am tired of scammers and the misery they cause.

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    It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums
    So, let me get this straight.

    A single anonymous poster on a single forum makes a claim, and this somehow becomes a "reputation" ???

    Hmmnnn,

    it's not hard to see how some people can so easily become victims of online fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrs View Post
    It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums

    Stop Hate and Cyberbullying Against Internet Marketers Worldwide Petition

    An established member of the forum making a lot of posts mostly digging up info meant to ridicule people. I’m not opposed to a good intellectual discussion but stooping to lows of posting info about people and calling something a scam when it’s not is another thing. I’m surprised that this type of stuff is allowed here... But when the post attempts to try and falsely discredit a perfectly legitimate company and potentially do damage to peoples livelihoods, then that’s something else. Simply starting a thread using this as a keyword to get on the first page of google and claim it’s a scam is wrong. It’s a false statement. The company is not a scam…period. Posting a bunch of links to stuff about people who are reputable and have a lot of social and business proof to back that up, trying to claim that they are not is also misleading . But if posting info is ok, then lets posts some info. I urge people to do their due diligence. Vanguard is not gifting , it’s a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or independently researched. Direct mail businesses have been operating for more than 30 years and the founders of this one have also been operating successful reputable businesses for as long. The founders cannot control what people come online to say they can only control what they do and how they treat people and they have a solid reputation on that front. Those are the facts but we can’t help it if people want to come here and trash talk.
    Nutbags are us, thank you for joining us! We have explained the real definition of cyberbullying numerous times. I have posted numerous court cases and detailed information on law related to libel and defamation as well. You are one in a long line of many that insists on making a fool of themselves publicly and I would be happy to grant you your wish. Keep up the insanity; it is old news! And, again, this forum doesn't generate a dime, so the only reason we contribute here is to warn and inform the public.

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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrs View Post
    Vanguard is not gifting , it’s a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hello Attorney Atticus Finch:

    Ribshaw is a simple man, but when someone posts that something is "legally complaint" and then provides not a court case, or say a reference to the UCC, but a link to wikipedia, well sir I must say that smells worse than a rented bowling shoe at the end of red pin bowling night. Could you please come back with something a little more scholarly?

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    Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound

    This is a discussion on Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound within the Miscellaneous Topics forum, part of the OTHER LEGAL ISSUES category; I have been in contact with some attorney generals and have filed complaints against Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, Littlle ...

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    Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound

    I have been in contact with some attorney generals and have filed complaints against Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, Littlle Round Man, and some other members of RealScam. Don't argue with them, if you want them penalized and their real names exposed go the correct route. Call your attorney general and the US attorney general and file a complaint. There were many already filed when I called on all 3 of these people. Do not worry about their real names because its the Justice dept responsibility to investigate and get their real names. Do not let Heather scare you that you could be in trouble for the program you work. The more people that file a complaint the faster they will be penalized.



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    I wish to inform you that in case of cyber crime you may file a complaint with IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center). Your complaint can be filed online. You must provide complete details of the scam and your contact particulars so that they contact you, if needed. IC3 will investigate the matter.

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    Thanks AFF. Many of us our filing complaints at every legal police agency we can. Heather and her cyber criminals will be here to comment soon so let me prepare you. They will say in the name of protecting people from what they judge as a scam it is ok to publicly bully, and risk many citizens well being for there cause even if it breaks laws. Vigilantism is not legal and they are doing it with cyber. It may take some time but Heather, her husband who ones the site real scam, and members who hide behind a user name will pay. And with all the people they have hurt, there will be justice once the real names and where they live are public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanBetz View Post
    As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

    Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.
    Oh really ????

    "Can be" ???

    No, Dan, cash gifting IS illegal and those who participate OR promote it ARE participating in criminal activities.

    By extension, why would anyone believe your heroes have decided to turn over a new leaf and go straight on this occasion ???

    They both told similar lies with regard to cash gifting as they are now using to promote Vanguard.

    IOW, Dan, they were both lying then and they're doing the same thing now.



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    Re: Vanguard Global Ventures

    This one has now made it onto the MMG forum by MMG member annadenise

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    Quote Originally Posted by busttheblock View Post
    This one has now made it onto the MMG forum by MMG member annadenise

    What does everyone think of this latest incarnation of Vanguard starting to pick up some steam on the mmg forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by busttheblock View Post
    What does everyone think of this latest incarnation of Vanguard starting to pick up some steam on the mmg forum?
    Don't look now but Frank Asthmeir (sp?) and Aaron and Shara are pushing this one pretty heavily. Almost a sure sign of a program's ponziness

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