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    Yet another HYIP ponzi scam aimed squarely at ex Zeeklers has hit the 'net.

    The HYIP ponzi "Profitable Sunrise" comes complete with claimed interest rates of from 1.6% to 2% per DAY, unidentified "charitable causes" and even claims members contributions are "insured by default" whatever the heck that means.

    Strictly a desperadoes only HYIP ponzi scam.

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    There is a lot of digging that we can do here. Unfortunately I have to work today but I have made a few notes for starters.

    Profitable Sunrise.

    Owned by Roman Novak who claims that his brother Radoslav Novak is a lawyer, Ruth Ellington is their accountant and Nosuke Koyama is the technical support expert.

    Based in London to provide short term loans to companies in USA? What is their Company registration number and what is their VAT registratioin number. Nothing about those requirements mentioned in Profitable Sunrise Sales Spiel.

    Selling Skinny Body Care products not Financial Services

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    Profitable Sunrise is not a Company. It is the Charitable platform of a very successful Collateral Lenders group called Intereef Ltd that handles up to $400 million dollars in bridge loans. Intereef Ltd. is a licensed and registered Corporation based in the UK with one of their offices office based in London, England. They started their business 10 years ago with a check cashing business in the USA under a different name. (The banking industry crashed and no longer offered short term loans in the USA so many wealthy investors gathered together in private groups worldwide to form Private Lending Groups.) Six years ago Roman Novak and his associates entered that world as well. They offer short term bridge loans (or up front funding) to businesses backed by hard real estate and /or insurance to this day. In 2009 they decided to start a Charitable Platform to allow smaller investors to participate withing Private Groups for the purpose of fundraising for humanitarian projects under the name of Profitable Sunrise. This is not an MLM nor a Direct Selling Company. In 2011 they registered and moved their operation to the UK making it much easier They do not accept distributors, independent contractors or affiliate sales people as there are no products. Individuals who participate rent their resources for a set period of time and can be reimbursed fully within 47 days or support the bridge loan programs for up to 240 business days. They have an excellent reputation with all who participate. No complaints anywhere form any participants in three years? Roman Novak is in no way connected with any other program and does not want to be categorized as one of the HYIP programs that force you to buy advertising packs, bids, or any products and then does not return your principal deposit. All participating with his program receive ALL principal and increases back at the end of their term. This program is being given a FIVE STAR RATING for 100% SATISFACTION.

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    "Charitable" and "profitable" are mutually contradictory.

    Given 5 star rating by who and for what sort of satisfaction?

    So what if there's no complaints? You heard any one complaining about Bernie Madoff's consistent returns? Phooey.

    You sound like a salesman, not someone armed with facts for a rebuttal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardiobeam View Post
    Profitable Sunrise is not a Company. It is the Charitable platform of a very successful Collateral Lenders group called Intereef Ltd that handles up to $400 million dollars in bridge loans. Intereef Ltd. is a licensed and registered Corporation based in the UK with one of their offices office based in London, England.
    What is their charity registration number?

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    There's no real need to point out what "cardiobeam" has said above is nothing but a regurgitation of what he/she has been told by "Roman Novak" and those behind Profitable Sunrise.

    No documentation, no registrations. no charitable organization permits, no proof of anything.

    Instead, what we DO have are the first 2 pages of "Profitable Sunrises" we site.

    They are reproduced here EXACTLY as they appear at the link posted underneath each image.

    Nothing has been added or removed from the screenshots, other than a border being added.

    Readers can decide for themselves if Profitable Sunrise is indeed a multi million dollar financial business.



    Profitable Sunrise index page



    Profitable Sunrise loans info page
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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post

    Given 5 star rating by who and for what sort of satisfaction?
    Faith Sloane, Ken Russo and various Scamlandpro pimps including one Adlandpro member selling remedies for premature ejaculation!
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    Profitable Sunrise is not a Charity. It was designed as an "umbrella" under which 20 charities have been invited as Private Groups to receive the benefits from their Collateral lending group, Intereef Ltd.

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    Participants all agree that they are very pleased with their results in Profitable Sunrise. No complaints on the company other than their website is very plain.

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    As the saying goes... Successful people are open minded people. So let me help you get your facts straight here. Roman Novak moved his business to the UK and registered and was accepted as an International corporation in 2011. His company now called Intereef Ltd. is a legal corporation and licensed business in the UK with an address and building. They are a very quiet company as are most all Hard Money lenders as their clients require privacy. Research Hared Money lenders on google and it will help you understand this world. The charitable platform (arm) called Profitable Sunrise is not a company but is like a sub division that is offering an opportunity for charities to benefit from their program through their participation. I know that nobody in this blog has spoken to Roman but we have many times and we also have the legal documents on the company as well in our possession. I understand everyone's skepticism these days as the world has been very tough for alot of people. My advice is to not spend money on any program that would cause a risk if lost. So far we have seen over 3000 people who are having great results.

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    They are not a Charity but there are 20 Charities who head the Private Groups participating under their platform.

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    So call me a sceptic but...... 2.15% per day? And only 'working days'? Seriously?

    Hypothetically - How many businesses would be taking a small $10,000 loan that is going to cost them upwards of $250 PER DAY just in interest (2.15% plus PS's cut, which I'm guessing would be more than an additional 0.35%)? Oh yes, that would be the type of business who has been rejected by banks, and of course can afford to pay back $5000 in 20 working days, on top of the $10,000 loaned.

    Who are these loans insured through? What insurance company in their right mind would even consider insuring such outlandish high-risk loans!

    'Traditional' Hard Money Lenders interest rates are generally 15-25% APR. I can't even begin to calculate what PS's APR is! I doubt even loansharks get this sort of interest!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardiobeam View Post
    They are not a Charity but there are 20 Charities who head the Private Groups participating under their platform.
    Who are these charities? How do we check up with them as to how much they receive from PS?

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    Such a complex and detailed pre-loan application form. Wish my bank kept it this simple when I applied for a $200k loan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardiobeam
    Roman Novak moved his business to the UK and registered and was accepted as an International corporation in 2011.
    Do you have ANY idea at all what you're saying ??

    What on earth is an "international corporation" and exactly why the need to be "accepted"

    You, sir, are talking gibberish with a capital "B/S"

    If I were you I'd stop now before you expose yourself to more ridicule and Mr "Novak" and "Profitable Sunrise" to more scrutiny.

    This would have to be one of the most obvious and amateurishly run get-rich-quick schemes I've encountered in recent times.

    IOW, go away, you silly little shill type person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    Such a complex and detailed pre-loan application form. Wish my bank kept it this simple when I applied for a $200k loan!
    Who in his or her right mind would approach an outfit like this for a $200Kloan? Have you never heard of loan sharks? This is about the ultimate idocy I have ever seen on a RS thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardiobeam View Post
    They are not a Charity but there are 20 Charities who head the Private Groups participating under their platform.
    Your sentence makes no sense. Why would a charity head private group, then give their money to an outfit promising outrageous profit? Where's the profit COMING FROM?
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    Good Day, my name is Roman Novak, I am the owner and founder of Ice Dollars. I hope our services will be of interest to you. Since you are reading this, I assume that you have already shown interest. We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace. If you follow us, you will shortly praise the Lord that he led you here. By putting your money to work with us, you will make the right decision. You will not only increase your savings, but will also help those in need. Allow me to introduce my team to you. My brother Radoslav Novak is a lawyer and apart from the legal issues is responsible for the marketing. Ruth Ellington is our accountant. Nosuke Koyama is the technical expert responsible for the smooth operation of our website. Everyone is welcome to join us. Our doors are and will always remain open to you.

    [Link]


    Yet another Roman Novak HYIP scam. successfuldreams.net, MoneyGator.net. I doubt "Roman" is his real name or if it is he'll stop using it after a few more of his HYIPs crash and burn. I think I could find more program names if I wanted to fight the language barrier but it's safe to say that after someone has run a string of scammy little HYIPs their next high yield investment opportunity won't be legit.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Let's see. As LRM points out, Profitable Sunrise is positioned as interested in charitable causes while at once providing a return that would make Madoff blush.

    Meanwhile, cardiobeam associates Profitable Sunrise with "Hard Money lenders."

    There are any number of instances in which HYIPs married themselves to the propositions of "charity" or capital formation -- or both. ClubAsteria was one such enterprise. Some MLM scammers try to sanitize the frauds by calling themselves "social entrepreneurs."

    Longtime observers will recall that the AdSurfDaily scam spawned a follow-up scam known as AdViewGlobal (AVG). AVG operated in part by trying to make members believe that part of their money went to the charitable purpose of preserving the rainforest.

    It's not widely known, but another ASD knockoff scam known as AdPayDaily (APD) also emerged. APD used a fax number associated with a purported real-estate company in Kansas that crowed, “To learn how to become a Hard Money Lender and earn 30+% per annum, call [a telephone number] . . .”

    "Hard-money lending" can be a ticket to jail, as the operator of Hoss Mortgage Investors of Seattle can attest.

    USDOJ: US Attorney's Office - Western District of Washington

    Sunrise Capital also is reminiscent of Narc That Car, which eventually tried to sanitize itself by positioning itself as a "crowd-sourcing" company.

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    Another one of Roman's HYIPs:

    About us

    Good Day, my name is Roman Novak, I am the owner and founder of cold-cash.biz. I hope our services will be of interest to you. Since you are reading this, I assume that you have already shown interest. We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace. If you follow us, you will shortly praise the Lord that he led you here. By putting your money to work with us, you will make the right decision. You will not only increase your savings, but will also help those in need. Allow me to introduce my team to you. My brother Radoslav Novak is a lawyer and apart from the legal issues is responsible for the marketing. Ruth Ellington is our accountant. Nosuke Koyama is the technical expert responsible for the smooth operation of our website. Everyone is welcome to join us. Our doors are and will always remain open to you.
    This one might be interesting. For one thing we see:

    Started Jan 1, 2005
    Running days 2861
    Total accounts 0
    Active accounts 0
    Total deposited $ 0.00
    Total withdraw $ 0.00
    Visitors online 2
    Members online 0
    Last update Nov 1, 2012
    It either failed to launch or just hasn't launched yet (perhaps they're waiting for sunrise to become unprofitable) but it isn't using privacy protection (yet):

    Domain Name: COLD-CASH.BIZ
    Domain ID: D51488545-BIZ
    Sponsoring Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 440
    Registrar URL (registration services): www.wildwestdomains.com
    Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Registrant ID: CR123980813
    Registrant Name: Danny Webbj
    Registrant Organization: cyberphoenix Internationals
    Registrant Address1: Lanco Business Park
    Registrant City: Legazpi City
    Registrant Postal Code: 4500
    Registrant Country: Philippines
    Registrant Country Code: PH
    Registrant Phone Number: +63.9464276721
    Registrant Email: @gmail.com
    Administrative Contact ID: CR123980815
    Administrative Contact Name: Danny Webbj
    Administrative Contact Organization: cyberphoenix Internationals
    Administrative Contact Address1: Lanco Business Park
    Administrative Contact City: Legazpi City
    Administrative Contact Postal Code: 4500
    Administrative Contact Country: Philippines
    Administrative Contact Country Code: PH
    Administrative Contact Phone Number: +63.9464276721
    Administrative Contact Email: @gmail.com
    Billing Contact ID: CR123980816
    Billing Contact Name: Danny Webbj
    Billing Contact Organization: cyberphoenix Internationals
    Billing Contact Address1: Lanco Business Park
    Billing Contact City: Legazpi City
    Billing Contact Postal Code: 4500
    Billing Contact Country: Philippines
    Billing Contact Country Code: PH
    Billing Contact Phone Number: +63.9464276721
    Billing Contact Email: @gmail.com
    Technical Contact ID: CR123980814
    Technical Contact Name: Danny Webbj
    Technical Contact Organization: cyberphoenix Internationals
    Technical Contact Address1: Lanco Business Park
    Technical Contact City: Legazpi City
    Technical Contact Postal Code: 4500
    Technical Contact Country: Philippines
    Technical Contact Country Code: PH
    Technical Contact Phone Number: +63.9464276721
    Technical Contact Email: @gmail.com
    Name Server: DNS3.SH3LLS.NET
    Name Server: DNS4.SH3LLS.NET
    Name Server: DNS5.SH3LLS.NET
    Name Server: DNS6.SH3LLS.NET
    Created by Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
    Last Updated by Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
    Domain Registration Date: Sat Sep 15 07:33:46 GMT 2012
    Domain Expiration Date: Sat Sep 14 23:59:59 GMT 2013
    Domain Last Updated Date: Wed Sep 19 08:54:08 GMT 2012
    That e-mail address, registrant name and organization lead to another string of scammy little short term HYIPS:

    EXECUTIVEHYIP.COM (the 2012 version, perhaps not the 2006 one)
    BlackGoldWealth.com
    ProfitForever.biz

    And it's entirly possibly that "Danny Webbj" is really Daniel Matocinos (well that or Cyberphoenix Internationals has two CEOs).
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Is Roman Novak who owns Ice-dollar.com and Money Gator.net. The same person who owns PROFITABLE SUNRISE.COM?

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    When you're dealing with scammy little short term HYIP games like Profitable Sunrise, Ice-Dollar, ProfitForever or any of a hundred thousand other of their kind, never assume anything the "owner" tells you is the truth. His name could be Roman Novak or it could be David Matocinos or it could be Sue Magilicuddy, it doesn't really matter because nothing else they tell you is the truth either.

    Profitable Sunrise is not a legal and licensed in the UK or anywhere else for that matter. The only charities they contribute to are their own retirement fund and even if they did give to the poor that wouldn't change the fact that they make their money by running a rapid succession of illegal pyramid scams. When P.S. is past they'll have already launched another one. When the name "Roman Novak" get's too notorious for even the pimps of TalkGold and MMG to attract money with they'll just use a different name.

    I hate to advertise sites like this one but take a look, would you like to be "Roman Novak"? That site will sell you all the software you need and hook you up with web hosting, all you'll need to do is handle the marketing. It's pretty easy really, pretend you know how to make a lot of money very fast, all you need is investors and you'll reward them with ASTRONOMICAL interest rates for the money they trust you with. Have a little cash on hand so when the first few investors ask for their profits you can give it to them and they'll tell all their friends and e-mail downlines that you're honest and pay as promised. These friends invest and as long as new investments outpace cash out requests people will sign your praises. But when new inflows of fresh cash slow down you tell everyone that Russian hackers launched a DDOS attack against your site so you can pay them anymore. This lets you keep any money you have left which could be more than enough to buy a new website and start a brand new HYIP to repeat the cycle again. But occasionally you'll have to change the fake name you give people.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Hello, i'm new here and registered just to say this for glimdropper: I think you are right in many ways and i really don't want to underestimate your knowledge
    in this matter but i just wanted to say this..a few months ago i putted some money on profitable, the money i can miss you know, i was referred by a friend wich i put my blindly trust in because he LIVES from things like this..so if something fail, i don't give a shit..and i don't want to have the feeling that i didn't tried it. But i told my parents about this and when i said the name 'Roman Novak' my mom said '*******, really roman novak? She knew him from business 20 years ago and it was a honest men she told me, this person is real! she is not gonna lie about that..she told me directly thats his brother was a lawyer or something wich i didn't know at that point, i readed that a day later on the site where he tells what his brother does. I can even tell you what other bussines he was then doing and still does know, with succes!
    You can call him at the office if you like, test it! Not good enough? Roman novak is doing business for over 20 years.. call him and do my greetings! The only thing i want to say here that this person is very real and does not hide! thats all.. Sorry for my bad english.

    with regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorz View Post
    Hello, i'm new here and registered just to say this for glimdropper: I think you are right in many ways and i really don't want to underestimate your knowledge
    in this matter but i just wanted to say this..a few months ago i putted some money on profitable, the money i can miss you know, i was referred by a friend wich i put my blindly trust in because he LIVES from things like this..so if something fail, i don't give a shit..and i don't want to have the feeling that i didn't tried it. But i told my parents about this and when i said the name 'Roman Novak' my mom said '*******, really roman novak? She knew him from business 20 years ago and it was a honest men she told me, this person is real! she is not gonna lie about that..she told me directly thats his brother was a lawyer or something wich i didn't know at that point, i readed that a day later on the site where he tells what his brother does. I can even tell you what other bussines he was then doing and still does know, with succes!
    You can call him at the office if you like, test it! Not good enough? Roman novak is doing business for over 20 years.. call him and do my greetings! The only thing i want to say here that this person is very real and does not hide! thats all.. Sorry for my bad english.

    with regards,
    Since many of these scam operators pick names out of a hat, are you positive that this "Roman Novak" is the same one your mother knew? Also given that many of these scams are perpetrated by "older" folks, if he is the same person, is he still honest today? Something to think about...!
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laidback View Post
    Since many of these scam operators pick names out of a hat, are you positive that this "Roman Novak" is the same one your mother knew? Also given that many of these scams are perpetrated by "older" folks, if he is the same person, is he still honest today? Something to think about...!
    It seems that there are a awful lot of co-incidences, something else to think about.

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