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    Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:23 PM
    To: tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net; timd@advantageconferences.com; Jason@txnv.com
    Cc:
    Subject: Tim


    Tim,

    please send me the $8500.00 Refund I asked for ASAP.

    I will send this note to the IRS if I do not here from you.



    Subj:Fwd: Tim
    Date:10/26/2007 12:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    From:Rep X
    To:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net

    Tim,
    You think I am stupid. I have been eating bean morning , noon and night.
    I refinanced my home 2x and I am not going to continue having you spread false statements.
    I sent the information to you yesterday. I spoke with Laura.
    I am not paying head games with you.
    I want you to send me the refund of $8500.00 and the receipts stating that I made the ant that you indicated.
    You are digging yourself deeper in the hole.

    I am listing the information you gave in your court papers:
    __________________________________________________ _______________________________
    Subj:RE: Tim
    Date:10/30/2007 2:49:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    From:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To:Rep X Sent from the Internet (Details)

    The next message from you to me, or copied or forwarded to anyone else about me or AC, or posted to any blog or scum site, sets you up to be complicit and named in a forthcoming lawsuit. I promise you our attorneys are surveying moment by moment every move you make. Be forewarned and advised. I’ve had it with your darkness, hatred, accusations, lack of self responsibility, and demonic evil.

    Try me out on the first sentence. I actually hope you do, and you will find that I am totally serious and sincere in my word.

    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635
    www.AdvantageConferences.com
    www.TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/





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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:28:21 -0400
    Subject: RE: Tim
    To: soapboxmom@hotmail.com



    I know you are not an attorney but this statement: "I promise you our attorneys are surveying moment by moment every move you make. " I think he is stalking? me. I better take a look outside if anyone is there as I have an Officer 4 door down from me.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________

    From: Rep X
    Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:52:08 -0400
    Subject: Macomb County, Michigan: Circuit Court: index - Docket 2006-002936-CZ
    To:

    Macomb County, Michigan: Circuit Court: index

    http://maxweb01.macombcountymi.gov/pa/

    Macomb County Clerk's Office Circuit Court Information

    http://maxweb01.macombcountymi.gov/pa/

    ================================================== ===========================

    Sorted ascending by Party Page Limit: 102030405060708090100Search Results 1 - 1 of 1 Party Affiliation Party Type D.O.B. Case Status Case NumberADVANTAGE CONFERENCES LLC PLAINTIFF Closed 2006-002936-CZ Note: The results may be sorted using the up/down arrows next to the labels for each column.

    __________________________________________________ _______________________
    Scammer Jack Weinzierl was in Michigan when this was filed. Tim Darnell's Advantage Conferences was losing its identical suit in Dallas County, so the scammers tried to file yet another frivolous harassment suit there. The lawyer couldn't pursue it as it was abuse of process. The lawyer for the Dallas Better Business Bureau warned him to drop it.

    The only question is why these men of God, Jerry and Aaron Weinzierl, who were hosting scammer Jack won't honestly disclose who actually spoke to the attorney and who paid the attorney and filing fees. Who is behind this dishonest filing?

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:36 PM
    To: jack@advantageconferences.com
    Cc:
    Subject: Jack, Thank you


    Hi Jack,

    All I am asking for the Refund of $10000.00 for which I DID NOT receive any Product or service for it.

    Would like to thank you for your interfering with this email sent to me by Tim:
    I must acknowledge Tim had the right Idea BUT he listened to you.
    So,did you make the right decision? Isn't it sad that all of this could have been avoided had you and Tim treated me like a person that did have a brain .

    The pain, suffering you caused me. The pain, suffering, embarrassment caused to my grandchildren when I had to tell them I did not even have money to give them for school events. That is what hurts.


    I know the Foertsch's story also.
    __________________________________________________ _______________________
    From: jack@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X
    Subject: RE: Jack, Thank you
    Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:57:25 -0600


    Rep X, I did nothing to change anyone's position. What was clear and in writing when you started was a guarantee based on attending the main product, which was and is the MMC. You also received and participated in many mentoring calls and we have those recorded with your introductions as well as you sharing how blessed you were to be part of AC and how much you have grown. What is irresponsible are the acusations and hatred that you and Heather SoapBoxMom from Garland, TX, have leveled against this company. She has come out from the shadows after two+ years and will be accountable for her actions.

    I encourage you to focus on what is good and right. Unforgiveness will continue to stand in the way of your blessings. I pray for your hardened heart and for clarity for you, Rep X. I will continue to love and pray for those who persecute us.


    In Service,

    Jack

    Jack M. Weinzierl
    Advantage Conferences, LLC
    Christian Entrepreneur and Mentor
    http://OneOasis.com

    Learn more about Marketplace Ministry at: http://JackWeinzierl.com
    __________________________________________________ _____________________________
    Subj:RE: Tim FU
    Date:2/8/06 7:56:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:timd@advantageconferences.com
    To:Sent from the Internet (Details)

    Jack,


    We need to clear this up. I think a refund under expressed, specific conditions would get her out of here, much as we did with Foertsch. We take this one on the chin, and learn our lessons.

    Your thoughts?

    TD
    __________________________________________________ _______________________________
    From: jack@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X

    Subject: RE: Jack, Thank you
    Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:49:52 -0600



    Rep X, I forgive you for what you are sowing. We have so much documentation and damages from posts on scam.com and I will let the law prevail. This will be the last communication that you will receive from me directly.


    In Service,


    Jack





    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rep X
    Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:34 PM
    To: jack@advantageconferences.com
    Cc:
    Subject: Fwd: Jack, Thank you



    Jack,
    Go ahead make my day. I am working with law not against. What was he outcome of BBB? Wasn't that an iron-clad case? What happened?







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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    Subj:RE: Taxes - ASAP
    Date:2/27/2006 11:41:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:timd@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X Sent from the Internet (Details)

    How confused can you be? He gave you your qualifying sales – can’t you see that? That is huge! That means you didn’t have to give up a single person in order to make money!!! Nobody has received that gift. This puts your situation in a totally new light.


    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635

    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    Rep X was tricked into going from the MMC-I level for $1,000.00 to the full $10,000.00 level. The scumbag pro-rep paid $2,000.00 to put his sister and niece under her at the MMC-I level to trick her into spending $9,000.00 more to upgrade to an MMc-IV ($10,000.00 level). They did not want to join Advantage Conferences and never took part in any way. He got $1,000.00 of that back in commission and made an additional $6,000.00 off of Rep X from the commission from the upgrade he tricked her into. He settled out of the lawsuit and paid a fair settlement, so I will not mention his name. Tim Darnell of course, lies completely when he calls it a gift. The scumbag upline made a killing off of this senior citizen and I suspect Jack had trained him quite well.

    Jack convinced other folks to bring in their spouses at the $10,000.00 level as well. He would pocket a cool $14,000.00 in commissions from a family and they would be left in a financial disaster.

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:29 PM
    To: timd@advantageconferences.com
    Cc:
    Subject: Re: Tim FU



    So Tim,

    May I ask what Jack's decision was?

    __________________________________________________ __________________
    Subj:RE: Tim FU Date:2/16/2006 1:51:20 P.M. Pacific Standard TimeFrom:timd@advantageconferences.comTo:Rep XCC:jack@advantageconferences.comSent from the Internet (Details)

    2/16/2006

    Hi Rep X,

    We’re sticking with the legal contract. Consider the $1,500.00 my and Jack’s personal gift to you.

    The Company will also consider re-instating you if you will construct an appropriate apology letter, including the stipulation of a vow in writing that you will be supportive, non-belligerent and non-antagonistic.


    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635



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    Only folks who Tim Darnell feared had the money to sue him got full refunds. The elderly, destitute and desperate people that joined got nothing but threatening, very unChristian responses.

    Jack Weinzierl's sleazy pastor brother, Jerry Weinzierl, and his son Aaron got $7,000.00 back from Jack. They never attended a scamference and their refund was totally against policy, but they served Jack's purpose. He loved bragging and publishing about the pastors in Advantage Conferences in order to garner more recruits and empty their pockets. Jack's father-in-law also got a $7,000.00 refund. I guess he got his money from Jack because he thought the conference sucked??? Again, everyone should have gotten a refund that requested one. Why should only Jack's family get special treatment???

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:23:30 -0500
    Subject: Jack's explaination
    To: soapboxmom@hotmail.com


    Advantage Conferences with Jack Weinzierl - Yahoo! Video
    Jack's Explaination of $3000.00 adding a 0 = $300000.00
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1275755&fr=

    http://www.lighthousemarketingbook.com/christianmentor/

    In this vedio pop-ups of official site of Ambian etc pop up right underneath Jack's jacket.
    Free video streaming, video hosting, video blog
    move clock to 11:09

    http://whyadvantageconferences.com/c...ack-weinzierl/
    __________________________________________________ __________________
    Jack made all these disappear when he got sued. He destroyed evidence left and right. That was deliberate, totally dishonest and not in the least Christian. So much for all that transparency that dirtbag rambled on about!

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    To: chrisburgess@dallas.bbb.org
    Sent: 1/17/2006 10:20:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    Subj: Chris this is the audiofrom Tim /ADV CONF


    InstantAudioPlayer

    Tim's State of union Address - partial text

    "If you had not had the success with Advantage Conferences would like to have had yet, you will. If you will be consistent and stick in there and learn how to make this thing happen.

    Get your mind off of Paper Clicks. I want you to leave it alone.

    If you are involved in that and you have been counting on that your Godsend and your way to make millions of dollars.
    Forget it, that is nothing but a mechanical device. Yes, it brings in some people.
    If You are replacing that with your own ingenuity and you are not using your own ingenuity than you are missing the boat a mile off shore and you are drowning.
    So you want to start relying on your own ingenuity.

    If I said to you: I have a Gun to your family's head and they would all going to die in 10 days from now if you don't bring in 3 NEW MMC4 in your business in 10 days.

    I guarantee you with those kind of stats every single one of you would have 3 NEW MMC4 in the business without, using paper click, without using phone, without fax machine, without using the internet whatsoever.

    You would figure it out how to bring in 3 NEW MMC4 in this business.
    You have where the ingenuity to do it, now is the time to implement it.

    When you figure that out and understand and you do have that power to do that -
    This business will have a new meaning for you.
    Life will be tremendous exciting toastly new world open up to you with new income,
    excitement just fulfillment, joyful situation....."




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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Robert Holloway [mailto:rjholloway@advantageconferences.com]
    Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:50 PM
    To: office@advantageconferences.com
    Cc: rhollowa@bellsouth.net
    Subject: Bill Webber Document



    Hi Tim,
    I did send this yesterday to tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net .
    Thanks for your help.
    Robert

    Hello Robert,
    I first learned about Advantage Conferences in an online forum. A gentleman
    there had been through the 3 steps and explained pieces of the business to
    me. From his explanation of how things worked, a legitimate question
    surfaced in my mind. I ran it by Tim Darnell, prior to myself personally
    completing the 3 steps. His response was for me to complete the 3 steps,
    which I have now done. I believe I have a good understanding of everything
    at play in the compensation plan, but my question still remains. I would
    value your input concerning my question but am more interested to hear Tim
    Darnell's vantage point on the issue since the Company is his creation.

    Here is my concern:

    My question is best illustrated through the use of 2 different persons
    coming into your system with Advantage Conferences. Both have saved up $15,000 (a substantial amount of money for the average American) to start a home based business.

    CASE #1- TOM has just purchased your MMC4 for a cost of $10,000. He can now
    advertise this Conference and qualify fully by selling 2 MMC4's. Let's assume it takes $2000 (arbitrarily) in advertising to secure each of his 2 MMC4 sells ($2000 x 2=$4k). His initial capital of $15,000 is down to $1,000, but he is now fully qualified.

    CASE #2- Beth chooses to become a rep with the company for $59 only. She
    makes use of your website ($500) to facilitate her success online. And (like Tom) she spends $2000 in advertising to secure her 3 qualifying sells ($2,000 x 3=6K). Her initial capital of $15,000 is down to $8,441 and she is fully qualified.

    I believe these are reasonable hypothetical. When thought out in this
    manner, it clearly appears that Beth has made the wiser decision as far as
    using her investment capital. She is qualified and has over $8,000 left to
    spend on advertising (which could potentially lead to 4 more MMC4 SELLS
    according to the stated hypothetical), while Tom is qualified but has only
    $1,000 to place toward advertising (less than the amount required for one
    hypothetical sell!). Surely this is significant?!


    The question is intellectually thought through, but it is based on a serious error, and that is thinking that the Conference experience itself is not valid or important. It disregards the very product that we are so passionate about, and reduces AC to a money game.

    My experience - the last conference changed me (just one person) in a way that will now affect tens of thousands of people across the globe more than I would have been able to affect without it. There was a few sentences said on Saturday that totally flipped and modified a default perspective I had held for 51 years. That one statement totally changed my financial situation to the tune of millions of dollars to the positive. Wow, I think about where I would be without it – those last two results are significant wouldn’t you say? And they are as tangible and real as anything in existence. Pretty strong statements, and yet not strong enough. The positive impact is incalculable.

    In your example, Tom will come away with the impact of knowing he has a very real product. He will also be impacted to a great degree from the content and experience of the MMC. Beth won’t. Beth is playing a money game. She doesn’t even believe in the product enough to sell herself. When that is the case, she’ll never be able to sell others, even with the streamlined system we have in place. There is an immutable law at work that simply doesn’t allow true success to happen – trying to build the business minus the personal commitment to any aspect of the program (in this case the product itself).

    We offer the “no purchase obligation” aspect as a matter of legality. But the truth is that I haven’t seen a single person who hasn’t purchased the conference and committed to going to the full conference make any money at all. Not my doing. Not my policy. Not even my idea, just an unwritten “law” unceasingly at work.

    So, intellectually, you’re assumption is correct. But, in reality, it would be a business suicide strategy – again, my perspective and observation regarding business success from a strategic vantage point and view as owner of the company and a life-time entrepreneur.

    One other thing, just from the monetary aspect. Beth gives up a whole “leg” that Tom retains. That leg could produce hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Pro Rep. In Tom’s case, he would have made the best purchase (return on monies) ever, and Beth would have made the most expensive “non-purchase” ever not made. Make sense?

    Call me if you would like to discuss further. I’m in the office, and if you miss me I’ll call you back.


    Any comments you have to these scenarios would be greatly appreciated.

    God Bless.


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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:34 PM
    To: tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    Subject: Re: PI Form posted



    Hi Tim,

    I am retuning the commission from my MMCII as instructed.

    Requesting my refund from ADV CONF also

    Thank you

    __________________________________________________ ______
    Subj:Official & Legal Notice
    Date:12/15/2005 5:19:36 A.M. Pacific Standard TimeFrom:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To:Rep X CC:Jason@txnv.com, jack@advantageconferences.comSent from the Internet (Details)

    December 15, 2005
    To: Rep X,

    Official Notice: You are not instructed to return your commission.

    We have a signed contract on record that states the terms and conditions associated with a refund. Your eligibility for a refund by Texas State Law expired months ago. These laws are honored by all courts at all levels.

    You purchased our product and we have provided it according to contract. What you are instructed to do is to abide by the terms of our contractual agreement.

    You have been taken off Advantage Conferences general broadcast list as per your request. Kindly remove all Advantage Conferences e-mail addresses and Tim Darnell’s personal e-mail address from your list as well.

    Should you have any further comments, please direct them to our legal council – Jason Charles Ciarochi:

    Jason@TXNV.com

    We wish you well in your other pursuits.

    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635

    __________________________________________________ _______________
    Jack Weinzierl has his hand in every pie. He should have done the honest and Christian thing and refunded this elderly rep. Why was Tim Darnell, the president of this international corporation (insert sarcasm) forwarding company correspondence to an independent rep, Jack Weinzierl? Just what kind of sleazy deals were going on behind the scenes? Tim and Jack both claimed to know everything the other knows. Did they actually believe they could sweep that much dirt under the rug???

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:08:24 -0500
    Subject: FYI - Attacks against Advantage Conferences and Tim Darnell…
    To:

    Attacks against Advantage Conferences and Tim Darnell…
    From the desk of Tim Darnell, President of Advantage Conferences
    > Attacks are to be expected. I really have nothing to complain about – followers of Christ who go into an unfriendly country or region virtually always experience persecution. Mine is mild compared to the attacks that occur daily in other parts of the world, including beatings, torture, and murders.
    I really have nothing to complain about - Why are you posting this than?
    Mine is mild compared to the attacks - I beg you pardon, You are using Christianity as a marketing tool draging Christianity through the mud. If you are the Christian you say you are, I would encourage you to use the money you've earned to further glorify God's Kingdom in ministry instead of promoting an internet money making system with a historically high failure rate with misleading advertisement and deceit, Lining your and Jack's Pockets with $$$$! The Gospel is NOT for sale!

    > Virtually all attacks against me and Advantage Conferences have come from two women who hate capitalism, despise home based businesses, and abhor people who share their faith in Christ in the marketplace. My company fits all three of those categories. Both women, and less than a handful of individuals who consort with them anonymously, are good candidates for your and my prayers.
    Virtually all attacks against me and Advantage Conferences have come fromtwo women who hate capitalism - Those two woman have names.
    > Both women, and less than a handful of individuals who consort with them anonymously, are good candidates for your and my prayers. -
    Please Include yourself as a good candidates for a prayer.
    > One of these women is a Heather Dobrott from Garland, Texas. Ms. Dobrott has operated her bashing business anonymously for several years, until her identity was finally brought to light in late September, 2007. She has been doing everything in her power to denigrate and belittle Advantage Conferences’ products, our training, and the values for which we stand. She has consistently assassinated my character, while directing the same ugly rhetoric toward our top Representative and my good friend in Christ, Jack Weinzierl.
    One of these women is a Heather Dobrott from Garland, Texas. - Heather has help a lot of people in AC More than AC Tim @ Jack . Heather made sure My family and I had a Thanksiving meal. Where were you and Jack with your Charities? - Heather is just pointing out truth and differences. Tim ( I truly believe Jack gave you wrong advise)
    Most of her activity has been crude, sophomoric, deprecatory and malicious Internet postings under the moniker, SoapBoxMom. Ms. Dobrott, the other woman, or both, have seen fit to make a multitude of slanderous telephone calls as well to many people in my life - my Pastor, Speakers that we’ve invited to our conferences, Company vendors, my Parents, my Wife’s Parents, the Hotels we’ve used, and countless Representatives at AC. She has literally stalked me and our top Representatives, taking pictures in an effort I suppose to try to prove her ridiculous allegations that I’m a con-man and the company is bogus, fraudulent, and about to go bankrupt, to mention a few of the accusations.
    > Ms. Dobrott, the other woman, or both, - Tim The other woman has a NAME .
    Yes Tim, I did ask your Dad this question Christian to Christian while you were in Florida. " Dr. Darnell if someone uses the Signature line - Member of the BBB and he is not- Is that a LIE? Dr Darnell's answer " YES" I said Dr. Darnell I would like to apologize ahead of time as I am referring to you son...
    She has literally stalked me and our top Representatives, taking pictures in an effort I suppose to try to prove her ridiculous allegations that I’m a con-man and the company is bogus, fraudulent, and about to go bankrupt, to mention a few of the accusations.
    Tim, Send me the pictures, send me proof. ASAP
    > She has taken court records and posted everything she can possibly find about me. She takes anything said about or done by our Company and twists the truth of the matter in an attempt to make every aspect look shady and evil. She’s illegally attended our calls which require a membership purchase; and which, by the way, is illegal theft of a service. That is the least of actionable offenses she has now committed.
    She has taken court records and posted everything she can possibly find about me. She...
    She’s illegally attended our calls which require a membership purchase; and which, by the way, is illegal theft of a service.
    She has a name. Please prove it - dates time etc.
    >All this, yet she’s never bothered to call me or talk to me face to face. I’ve never met her (that I know of) and would not recognize her if I saw her. Reports by individuals from other companies who know her state that her dubious career path apparently started with a bad experience in a well-known direct sales Company also based in the Dallas area – a Company I highly respect – Mary Kay Cosmetics – a truly incredible success story in the history of American business. She apparently has since been on a tirade against several direct sales companies - a response prompted by Ms. Dobrott’s own business failure. I’ve seen this phenomenon before: people who fail at an enterprise love to place the blame on the companies or the top money earners, who are always the target. They’ll also find others who have quit to spend time commiserating, placing blame on anybody but themselves.
    Reports by individuals from other companies - Have you yourself checked out the information?
    I've never met her(that I know of) How do you know she is stalking you or taking pictures?
    I do check out my sources: example listen to this vedio what you said your mother haught about your business:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuX59K4xM2E

    > What is striking and truly sad is how someone could spend a single day, or in this instance, their entire life on a path of malicious destruction. Ms. Dobrott seemingly has nothing productive to do other than to bash people with whom she doesn’t agree. I don’t mind disagreements or even objections about what I do. However, she makes outlandish assertions with obviously very little understanding about our business, our industry, our products, and especially about me personally. Thankfully, her smug, know-it-all comments have always been, not only incorrect, but also so biased that most easily see through her misdirected agenda.
    Ms. Dobrott seemingly has nothing productive to do other than to bash people with whom she doesn’t agree. - Mrs Dobrott is the only one helping people in need.
    Tim when someone disagrees with you, you sent threatening e-mail such as these:
    Why were this send out by you rather than you attorney? Why did you sent the legal notice re: refunds Yet you cased the check when I returned you commission?
    The treatening e-mail from you with Jeson's name on it and he did not respond to me will NOt sit good with the Attorney Bar Association.
    Subj:
    RE: Tim
    Date:10/30/2007 2:49:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    From:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To:Rep X Sent from the Internet (Details)

    The next message from you to me, or copied or forwarded to anyone else about me or AC, or posted to any blog or scum site, sets you up to be complicit and named in a forthcoming lawsuit. I promise you our attorneys are surveying moment by moment every move you make. Be forewarned and advised. I’ve had it with your darkness, hatred, accusations, lack of self responsibility, and demonic evil.

    Try me out on the first sentence. I actually hope you do, and you will find that I am totally serious and sincere in my word.

    Blessings,

    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635
    www.AdvantageConferences.com
    www.TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/
    ====================
    __________________________________________________ ____________________

    Tim Darnell's sleazebag attorney is now working out of a really swank little PO Box. I am sure the Texas State bar would love to see the threatening lie-filled rants his psychotic client sent out basically on his behalf. This of course is how all legitimate businesses operate and truly Christian as well.


    This might explain why no legitimate businesses or business people will give Weinzierl and Darnell the time of day.


    Soapboxmom

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    Subj:CEASE AND DESIST FORMAL NOTICE
    Date:1/19/2006 9:19:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    From:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To:Rep X CC:Jason@txnv.com Sent from the Internet (Details)

    1/19/2006 9:52:58 AM

    To: Rep X

    This notice serves as official notice to CEASE AND DESIST regarding all libelous statements to anyone whatsoever, and especially Advantage Conferences Reps and/or prospects.

    For your own good, you should think very carefully about making, speaking, and/or sending out libelous letters or statements. It only takes one instance of libel to be indicted and the penalties are harsh and severe. By your threat, you have or are planning to send hundreds of letters of libel – a very bad idea. The last person who did that to me was issued a court mandated legal penalty of $405,000.00, the settlement of which they are now paying on a monthly basis for 20 plus years of their life.

    If you insist on involving yourself in this type of activity, our Attorneys are poised to uncover the hard evidence of your libel against me personally and against our company, Advantage Conferences, and will act immediately. I advised them of your mental situation and that I have compassion for you personally; but that we are now in a position to not stand for any further ill-advised, adversarial and tortuous interference with our Company.

    This is an OFFICIAL NOTICE PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 19, 2006 and will be retained as official documentation for possible court proceedings.

    Blessings,



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    Is Tim Darnell really sure Rep X is the one with a mental situation?

    Soapboxmom's Rant / www.heatherdobrott.com / Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl Check out all the demented and disgusting posts there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darnell
    The question is intellectually thought through, but it is based on a serious error, and that is thinking that the Conference experience itself is not valid or important. It disregards the very product that we are so passionate about, and reduces AC to a money game.
    AHA MOMENT !!

    Got it in 1, Timmy
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    Subject: RE: http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp
    Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:26:41 -0600
    From: msenter@johnhcarney.com
    To: ZKarelin@aol.com


    Ms Rep X:
    Our firm no longer represents Mr. Darnell's company.




    From: Rep X
    Sent: Sun 12/2/2007 7:59 PM
    To: Mark Senter; tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    Subject: http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp


    Hi Mark,

    It has come to my attention that Tim Darnell posted this on his website for all his members to see. http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp (Footsteps of Faith Messenger)
    Tim consitantly talks about "The Other Women" The other woman has a name. Tim is talking about ME (Zena)

    <Most of her activity has been crude, sophomoric, deprecatory and malicious Internet postings under the moniker, SoapBoxMom. Ms. Dobrott, the other woman, or both, have seen fit to make a multitude of slanderous telephone calls as well to many people in my life - my Pastor, Speakers that we’ve invited to our conferences, Company vendors, my Parents, my Wife’s Parents, the Hotels we’ve used, and countless Representatives at AC. She has literally stalked me and our top Representatives, taking pictures in an effort I suppose to try to prove her ridiculous allegations that I’m a con-man and the company is bogus, fraudulent, and about to go bankrupt, to mention a few of the accusations.>

    I would like you sent the evidence of photos, cars Soapboxmom sitting in front of Tim House etc an Reps. Please send Report filed with the Allen Police department, ASAP by Tim Darnell. Because he is also refurrs to me , I also will contact the Allen Police Dep. on Monday. Bad enough that Tim Darnell is not only sending me the threating emails and than this posting ?
    I will contact the Texas Bar Association to fine and Attorney.

    ================================================== ====================
    Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: I went to the Allen Police Department this morning. I have been accused of stalking Tim Darnell, parking outside his home all hours of the day and night and taking pictures of his family. Apparently Tim has stated that I have made death threats as well. I demanded the police investigate me immediately.

    There will be no investigation. Tim never filed a report. Reps, call Tim and ask to see the police report immediately. When he admits he never made one, demand he go to the Allen police. They do investigate legitimate complaints.

    Soapboxmom


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    __________________________________________________ _____________________
    Tim Darnell and Jack Weinzierl are simply lying con artists. The goons happily published and discussed at a conference that they were getting death threats from me and being stalked by me. It was all pure fiction. I turned myself in to the Allen Police. Tim and Jack couldn't report their delusions. Nor are they Christian and honest enough to admit those were all vicious lies told to garner them martyr status with their brainwashed reps they were desperately trying to hang on to. These men are exceedingly dishonest and dangerous. False criminal allegations are a very serious matter.

    Notice Timmy got fired by his attorney. After suing the BBB and me I don't think there is a reputable attorney in Dallas that will have anything to do with these clowns. Jack's bankruptcy attorney just laughed all the way to the bank. Remember Jack on Scam bragging of going to the attorney in Dallas and saying she was blown away by the "attacks." Well, she sure didn't give a damn about Jack's problem of court documents going up and impeaching his credibility. She apparently neglected to tell the buffoon that bankruptcy records are public record. I published everything right here.

    The poor bloke, Randy Sandifer, they conned into helping them (from Allen, TX) is a Christian attorney who apprently attends a Disciples of Christ Church and knew Tim and his father Dr. David Darnell through that. I hope he has now learned that folks can say they are Christian 'til the cows come home, but it does not mean they are honest and forthcoming. I assume he will dump these scammers like all the rest have. I wonder if Weinzierl will pay him the 20 grand he owes him?

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To: Rep X
    Subject: All Your Choice
    Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:40:13 -0600

    It’s simple. You’ll receive money if you’re willing to:

    1. admit you’ve been wrong about me, Jack Weinzierl, and Advantage Conferences - and genuinely apologize in an e-mail to that effect on scam.com and to me (I’ve got to approve the message – it’s got to be genuine)
    2. permanently take down all your postings that reference me or the company or Jack in any way – all of them, wherever they might be
    3. get your cronies to take down the hate sites and postings against us and have them commit in writing that they will not put them back up or make any future ridiculous, disparaging remarks/postings like they’ve been doing
    You could have had donations long ago – you did receive 1,500.00, but you chose a very unfortunate strategy – to continue to accuse, disparage, and insult me and my company on a non-stop basis. Had you chosen to treat me with decency and love, you would easily have been taken care of by me financially. Anybody who knows me at all knows I am a truly compassionate and caring person. I send money all the time to people who are in need that I don’t even know, but they are people who will at least treat me with civility and decency.

    I would certainly take care of you financially as well, but your hatred, insults and accusations have always been an obstacle for that to happen. Your insults and need to be right have been more important to you than treating me with respect. Your accusations have been more important to you than your money. The answer has always been in your hand, but you’ve mistakenly chosen accusation and hysterical hatred – which never works. Hatred like you’ve demonstrated will only lead to as bad, or worse an environment than you’re experiencing now, until you stop the cycle. It’s always been your bad choices that have kept you so frustrated. I’ve never wanted anything bad for you, but you’ve created these bad situations for yourself. The answer is in your hand – it’s a simple choice of YOURS. You have the power. You just need to use it – it’s the power of love versus your strategy of accusation and finding fault, especially with my Christianity – God will judge you severely for playing judge regarding my relationship with, love of, and service to Christ. That is an abomination and insult to God that you do that. You’re playing God and you are not, Rep X.

    You have misinterpreted virtually every thing I’ve ever said or done – there is no question about that. Your thinking is totally tainted, yet you won’t admit it. Your accusations and arguments make no sense and are simply not true. You don’t understand a whole lot of things, which causes you to be in the mess you’re in right now. Your pride hasn’t allowed you to admit that, however. If you can get over you lack of understanding and the enormous self-pride you have, replaced with some humility, you’ll see a major change in your life for the positive. If your arguments are more important to you, then you can continue to be miserable – your choice.

    If you post this message or forward it, then you can forget receiving any monies. If you choose decency and respect for me and our company, you’ll see your life improve in a very positive way. I need to see all three things listed above happen before I can move forward, which is what I would like to do. It’s the right thing to do for both of us.

    My love to you and my positive prayers for you are constant, and they are being answered. God cares for you and loves you, Rep X, and so do I.


    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635
    http://AdvantageConferences.com
    http://TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/
    __________________________________________________ ___________________
    Blackmail!!! Lie for Tim Darnell and Jack Weinzierl, and force Soapboxmom to remove all her truthful posts and they will pay for that. Honest people like the wonderful Rep X would never play dirty like that and sit back while they defrauded more people.

    98% of the participants in Advantage Conferences lost money. Many were out thousands of dollars like Rep X. Tim Darnell's Advantage Conferences and its predecessor All Star Entrepreneur both imploded into bankruptcy. Her efforts to save others from being ruined financially were heroic!

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:09:24 -0500
    Subject: RE:All Your Choice
    To:

    It’s simple. You’ll receive money if you’re willing to:
    Tim, according to you -you want me to LIE!!!! Again - Don't think GOD wants me to LIE!!!!
    So Sorry, I will NOT do it. Why not ask your DAD if it is the right thing to do.
    1. admit you’ve been wrong about me, Jack Weinzierl, and Advantage Conferences - and genuinely apologize in an e-mail to that effect on scam.com and to me (I’ve got to approve the message – it’s got to be genuine)
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    2. permanently take down all your postings that reference me or the company or Jack in any way – all of them, wherever they might be

    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    3. get your cronies to take down the hate sites and postings against us and have them commit in writing that they will not put them back up or make any future ridiculous, disparaging remarks/postings like they’ve been doing
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    You could have had donations long ago – you did receive 1,500.00, but you chose a very unfortunate strategy – to continue to accuse, disparage, and insult me and my company on a non-stop basis. Had you chosen to treat me with decency and love, you would easily have been taken care of by me financially. Anybody who knows me at all knows I am a truly compassionate and caring person. I send money all the time to people who are in need that I don’t even know, but they are people who will at least treat me with civility and decency.
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    I would certainly take care of you financially as well, but your hatred, insults and accusations have always been an obstacle for that to happen. Your insults and need to be right have been more important to you than treating me with respect. Your accusations have been more important to you than your money. The answer has always been in your hand, but you’ve mistakenly chosen accusation and hysterical hatred – which never works. Hatred like you’ve demonstrated will only lead to as bad, or worse an environment than you’re experiencing now, until you stop the cycle. It’s always been your bad choices that have kept you so frustrated. I’ve never wanted anything bad for you, but you’ve created these bad situations for yourself. The answer is in your hand – it’s a simple choice of YOURS. You have the power. You just need to use it – it’s the power of love versus your strategy of accusation and finding fault, especially with my Christianity – God will judge you severely for playing judge regarding my relationship with, love of, and service to Christ. That is an abomination and insult to God that you do that. You’re playing God and you are not, Rep X
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    You have misinterpreted virtually every thing I’ve ever said or done – there is no question about that. Your thinking is totally tainted, yet you won’t admit it. Your accusations and arguments make no sense and are simply not true. You don’t understand a whole lot of things, which causes you to be in the mess you’re in right now. Your pride hasn’t allowed you to admit that, however. If you can get over you lack of understanding and the enormous self-pride you have, replaced with some humility, you’ll see a major change in your life for the positive. If your arguments are more important to you, then you can continue to be miserable – your choice.
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    If you post this message or forward it, then you can forget receiving any monies. If you choose decency and respect for me and our company, you’ll see your life improve in a very positive way. I need to see all three things listed above happen before I can move forward, which is what I would like to do. It’s the right thing to do for both of us.
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    My love to you and my positive prayers for you are constant, and they are being answered. God cares for you and loves you, Rep X, and so do I.
    So Sorry TIM, I have to reject you.

    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635
    http://AdvantageConferences.com
    http://TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/
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    So Sorry that is NOT my cup of tea. God cares for me and loves me, Zena, and so do I.
    I wonder what your of love is.
    I will fill a complaint with the Attorney Bar Association.
    Good LUCK with your AC.
    I am NOT going away and I am NOT playing God !!! But it sounds like YOU and Jack are!!!


    Rep X
    __________________________________________________ ____________________
    Blackmail and threats always backfire. And, what were they going to pay her with --- Monopoly money???

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To: Rep X
    Subject: RE: All Your Choice
    Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:15:46 -0600


    OK – I tried – you’re totally confused, totally blinded, and totally wrong – how incredibly arrogant. I love you anyway and would liked to have helped you.


    Blessings,


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    http://AdvantageConferences.com
    http://TimDarnell.org
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    From: Rep X
    Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:39:03 -0500
    Subject: Fwd: All Your Choice
    To:


    > OK – I tried – you’re totally confused, totally blinded, and totally wrong – how incredibly arrogant. I love you anyway and would liked to have helped you.

    Apparently Tim you really believe your in the right. You won’t be convinced otherwise even if 100 angels were to tell you you're in denial about the fraud you've committing.

    By the way-
    Last night I had a Helicopter circling my house at 10:30 pm . Had to check it out as per Tim's email " I promise you our attorneys are surveying moment by moment every move you make."
    I called call my friend Officer to look into it.
    Rep X
    __________________________________________________ ___________
    The losing suits against me and the BBB clearly demonstrate the fraudulent nature of the Advantage Conferences pyramid scheme. What else do Weinzierl and Darnell need to convince them that their treachery has been exposed????

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:14 AM
    To: tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    Subject: All Your Choice *



    Tim Darnell you want me to LIE for you, Jack Weinzierl and Advantage Conferences ?

    Tim your the one that lied to me and your Reps-used fraudulent activity, deceptive trade practices by his business.

    Tim do you want my confession for something I have not done?

    Tim you a Pastor?

    Tim this letter will be posted.



    Rep X
    __________________________________________________ ___


    Subj:RE: All Your Choice *
    Date:11/29/2007 6:31:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To: Rep X Sent from the Internet (Details)

    .You might want to read the notice at the bottom of my e-mails. It’s the wording that begins, “The information…” Read that carefully, please.


    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
    Office: 972-727-4995
    1-888-832-7635
    http://AdvantageConferences.com
    http://TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/






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    ______________________________________________




    Subj:Re: All Your Choice *
    Date:11/29/2007 6:37:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:Rep X
    To:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net


    Tim So is the Gospel which is NOT for sale or to be twigged to your liking.
    Are you a Pastor? or are you Playing GOD?

    Rep X



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    Subj:RE: All Your Choice
    Date:11/29/2007 7:56:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:tim_darnell@sbcglobal.net
    To: Rep X Sent from the Internet (Details)

    Would you do me a favor and take time to pray to God for me and you – our situation. I would also ask one other favor and that is to read a few scriptures that are meaningful here. One is Ephesians 4:29 – 5:2 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ, God forgave you. Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

    I am a believer in Jesus Christ. I read the Bible and pray continuously. I am not perfect, but I am striving for perfection as scripture tells us to do. Why is reading the Bible important? The Word of God enables a person to distinguish right from wrong, good from evil, and truth from falsehood. Here’s what the Bible says, “We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.” I John 4:6 You choose not to listen to me, Rep X, due to fear and misunderstanding. You need to humbly read scripture every day so that you can understand the difference in truth and falsehood. Relying on your own understanding is not the answer. God’s Word is the answer. When you humbly read Scripture and pray every day, you’ll start seeing things differently, including the way you see me. Ask the Holy Spirit into your life and He will comfort you and change you in a very positive way.

    I believe you have a whole lot of good in you and that God can use you for much good, Rep X, if you would allow Him to do so. You are obstinate to God when you choose to lash out and hurl accusations toward me. The word, satan, means “the accuser”. When you accuse others, especially those who love you and want the best for you (me), you are falling into the trap of the evil one. He’s got you right where he wants you and that is not where you want to be.

    It’ is very clear to me and many, many other believers who are praying for you that you are not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. You’re not the only one. The devil is the “deceiver” and he does a great job at confusing people. Hatred confuses people as well. It blinds them to truth. It sends them in the wrong directions. That’s why you are, and have been, 180 degrees mistaken about me in every way. You’re not accurately comprehending what is true and what is false. The lies you accuse me of are not lies, but rather your misunderstanding. If you would be humble, your eyes would be opened – and that is when we could have a good and productive relationship.

    I am blessed to teach, preach, and sing the Gospel message, and have done so, for many, many years to hundreds of thousands of people – to God be all the glory. I counsel people on a day in and day out basis (business, finances, mindset, marketing, faith and trust in Jesus Christ, etc.) – all based on God’s Word. Why you would want to put me down for that? “Whoever is not from God does not listen to us” is certainly true, and I surely understand that many fit in that category. I don’t know it all, surely, but I am humble to scripture and strive to do God’s will in my life. If you would change your thinking around, you would be able to see who I really am rather than the monster you’ve created in your own head. Most of the world’s thinking is corrupted. Titus 1:15 – “To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.” If one’s thinking is corrupted, they will have a lot of frustration, stress, and hatred in their life. Purity sees the good in people and does not accuse – rather, purity loves.

    John says, “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.” I John 3:14 So, Rep X, I love you – in spite of your consistent misunderstanding and accusations. You need to love God by consistently reading His word, and by learning to love yourself. Then you can love others and pass from the death that you are experiencing now into life. Your hatred is death for you and for others around you. People care about you, yet you obstinately refuse to believe that. That’s not good – and certainly not productive. Learn to love so that you can experience life.

    Lord, I pray that you give Rep X and me both a spirit of compassion for each other and that You would enter into our lives and our relationship. I thank you in advance, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

    Blessings,


    Tim Darnell
    President
    Advantage Conferences
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    1-888-832-7635
    http://AdvantageConferences.com
    http://TimDarnell.org
    http://timdarnell.blogspot.com/





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    Subj:RE: All Your Choice
    Date:11/29/2007 11:09:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    From:Rep X
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    The Emotional Pain Of Leaving Advantage Conferences - and the Pain Advantage Conferences caused me and my family!


    I am a former Members of Advantage Conferences describing how I feel when I finally left AC-Christian-based Business. This may give you some insight into my pain and why there are no easy answers .

    It is painful to discover I was deceived - that what I thought was the “one true Christ-Center Business ,” the “path to total freedom,” in reality AC.

    It Painful when I learned that people I trusted implicitly - whom I were taught not to question - were “pulling the wool over I eyes” albeit unwittingly.

    It Painful when I learned that those I taught were my “enemies-Soapboxmom” were telling the truth after all - but I had been told they were liars, deceivers, repressive, satanic etc and not to listen to them.

    It is painful when I know I faith in God hasn’t changed - only my trust in an organization which is Advantage Conferences - yet I am accused of apostasy, being a trouble maker, a “Judas”. It hurts even more when it is my family and friends making these accusations after telling them about what happened with Advantage Conferences.

    It is Painful to realize my love and acceptance was conditional on I remain a member of good standing. This cuts so deeply I try and suppress it. All you want to do is forget - but how can I forget my family and friends?

    It is Painful to see the looks of hatred coming from the faces of those I love - to hear the deafening silence when I try and talk to them. It cuts deeply when I try and give my Gchild a hug and they stand like a statue, pretending I am not there. It stabs like a knife when I know I gave my last dime to someone I trusted (to my Gchildren) because they ran a Christian-based business because I were asked to give - just to find out about the misleading, fraudulent
    activities,and deceit. Yet, when I had NO dime left I had Tim Darnell tell me.........

    It is Painful when I find myself feeling guilty or ashamed of what I am after leaving Advantage Conferences. I feel depressed, confused, lonely. I find it difficult to make decisions. I don't know what to do with myself because I have so much time on my hands now - yet I still feel guilty for spending time on recreation.

    Yes, It stated "Advantage Conferences is offers unique, life-changing resources for those who recognize the value of wisdom in their life." -
    REF above
    It is Painful when I feel as though I have lost touch with reality. I feel as though you are “floating” and wonder if you really are better off without Advantages Conferences, knowing I cannot go back because the TRUST is not there.

    It is Painful when I feel I am all alone - that no one seems to understand what I am feeling. It hurts when I realize my self confidence and self worth are almost non-existent.

    It is Painful when I have to front up to friends and family to hear their “I told you so” whether that statement is verbal or not. It makes me feel even more stupid than I already do - My confidence and self worth plummet even further.

    It is Painful when I realize I gave up your last dime I had every penny I every penny I received from refinancing my home everything for the Advantage Conferences - Christian -Based Business- My finances, time and energy were robbed from me.- and now have to live on nothing but SS and eating up the only equity in the home which was saved for retirement (Golden Years), unable to fix up my home, no heat for winter months, Rob Peter to pay Paul so to speak to pay my bills. This is what Advantage Conferences has done for me.
    Has Advantage Conferences changed my life? YES for the worst- Tim, Jack and Advantage Conferences have robbed me blind! because of Advantage Conferences teaching. I am NOT bashing Christians here!
    and How do I explain all those missing years?
    Yet when asked I gave my last pennies to Tim Darnell Birthday Party (Must have been a lavish one) when asked by jack Weinzierl, I did so.It is Painful because I know that even though I was deceived, I am responsible for being taken in. Yes. I was caught of guard. I should have seen the RED FLAGS - Statement about the income postings, misleading advertisement, No Selling, NO speaking to anyone,
    deceit etc,
    All that wasted time ... at least that is what it seems to me - wasted time.
    The Pain Of Grief as a Nurse for 40+ yrs. has helped me personally.

    Leaving a Advantage Conferences is like experiencing the death of a close relative or a broken relationship with family who don't seem to understand what is happening to their loved ones.. The feeling is often described as like having been betrayed by someone with whom you love and build Advantage Conferences (Christ-Center business). I feel you were simply "used".

    There is a grieving process to pass through. Whereas most people understand that a person must grieve after a death etc, they find it difficult to understand the same applies in this situation. I realize being a nurse for 40+ yrs there is no instant cure for the grief, confusion and pain a person has. Like all grieving periods, time is the healer and don't know if I live to see it.

    Some feel guilty, or wrong about this grief. I don't - It IS normal. It is NOT wrong to feel confused, uncertain, disillusioned, guilty, angry, untrusting - these are all part of the process. In time the negative feelings will be replaced with clear thinking, joy, peace, and trust. Yet it is hard that the trust between myselve and Advantage Conferences is broken.

    Yes - It hurts, but the hurts will heal with time, patience & understanding.

    With the support of the person SOAPBOXMOM ( Which Tim Darnell is making wrongful accusations (and without proof)
    and the threating letters Tim Darnell is sending to me SOAPBOXMOM the only one caring for the Reps in need.
    Other supporters such as Wishyouknew are also helpful. A Pastor from Church other than mine is praying with me every day. We will pull through.

    Rep X

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: ZKarelin@aol.com
    Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:14:06 -0500
    Subject: Fwd: All Your Choice !!
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    1) >>> Would you do me a favor and take time to pray to God for me and you – our situation. I would also ask one other favor and that is to read a few scriptures that are meaningful here. One is Ephesians 4:29 – 5:2 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ, God forgave you. Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
    Tim, I am old enough to be your mother. Lived a life that I hope you will Never have to live.(lived in 16 camps during World War II- Received punishment for Not telling a lie for enemy as a child). A lie is a lie. Tim, I do pray on a daily basis with a pastor hoping you see the light of how many people got hurt with AC.
    My objections to AC all along have been in how the company "uses" the power of the Gospel to "sell" its program. The Gospel is not for sale. It is freely available to all searching for a better way to live and for "abundance" in their lives. The Hope offered by the Christian message is wrongfully appropriated by the AC philosophy to hide the fact that here is no retail product to sell and that sales are a never ending chain of rep to rep money transfers.

    "What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it."

    1 Corinthians 9:18

    Tim, not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, Why than are you calling me names - Why are you calling my friends names?
    Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
    Tim, I am the sweetest, kind, passionate, caring, forgiving person. I rather give someone the clothes of my back before I hurt any person. Why than can you dish it out but can't accept the lies you told me and others. and send me and others threatening letters just because I and others don't fit into you mold. but only have different opinions. I did not have a dime left after I paid for your Birthday gift to renew for the website . But you told me that I quit and it was NOT you Rule Bot GOD's Rule!.
    2) >>> I am a believer in Jesus Christ. I read the Bible and pray continuously. I am not perfect, but I am striving for perfection as scripture tells us to do. Why is reading the Bible important? The Word of God enables a person to distinguish right from wrong, good from evil, and truth from falsehood. Here’s what the Bible says, “We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.” I John 4:6 You choose not to listen to me, Rep X, due to fear and misunderstanding. You need to humbly read scripture every day so that you can understand the difference in truth and falsehood. Relying on your own understanding is not the answer. God’s Word is the answer. When you humbly read Scripture and pray every day, you’ll start seeing things differently, including the way you see me. Ask the Holy Spirit into your life and He will comfort you and change you in a very positive way.

    Tim, You choose not to listen to me , Rep X, due to fear and misunderstanding.
    Tim I am listen to God with my heart and if I have a question my pastor explains ( It is sure different than what you are saying I feel hat you are twigging it to your liking) and it does not cost me $10000.00 plus $3000.00 for pay per click. post cards etc.
    Tim you really must think I am dumm. After 2 wks in AC and what James pulled on me, I started to seeing things differently, including the way you see you and Jack.

    3) >>> I believe you have a whole lot of good in you and that God can use you for much good, Rep X, if you would allow Him to do so. You are obstinate to God when you choose to lash out and hurl accusations toward me. The word, satan, means “the accuser”. When you accuse others, especially those who love you and want the best for you (me), you are falling into the trap of the evil one. He’s got you right where he wants you and that is not where you want to be.
    4) >>> It’ is very clear to me and many, many other believers who are praying for you that you are not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. You’re not the only one. The devil is the “deceiver” and he does a great job at confusing people. Hatred confuses people as well. It blinds them to truth. It sends them in the wrong directions. That’s why you are, and have been, 180 degrees mistaken about me in every way. You’re not accurately comprehending what is true and what is false. The lies you accuse me of are not lies, but rather your misunderstanding. If you would be humble, your eyes would be opened – and that is when we could have a good and productive relationship.
    Tim, again you accuse me for thing that you don't know about me. Like I have a "mental problem" You do not know that. "Having your attorney watching every more a make."

    5) >>> I am blessed to teach, preach, and sing the Gospel message, and have done so, for many, many years to hundreds of thousands of people – to God be all the glory. I counsel people on a day in and day out basis (business, finances, mindset, marketing, faith and trust in Jesus Christ, etc.) – all based on God’s Word. Why you would want to put me down for that? “Whoever is not from God does not listen to us” is certainly true, and I surely understand that many fit in that category. I don’t know it all, surely, but I am humble to scripture and strive to do God’s will in my life. If you would change your thinking around, you would be able to see who I really am rather than the monster you’ve created in your own head. Most of the world’s thinking is corrupted. Titus 1:15 – “To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.” If one’s thinking is corrupted, they will have a lot of frustration, stress, and hatred in their life. Purity sees the good in people and does not accuse – rather, purity loves.
    I am blessed to teach, preach, and sing the Gospel message.- Tim, I am NOT a singer, preacher or teacher., but I do know AC is ruining my life and other peoples lives.
    6) >>> John says, “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.” I John 3:14 So, Rep X, I love you – in spite of your consistent misunderstanding and accusations. You need to love God by consistently reading His word, and by learning to love yourself. Then you can love others and pass from the death that you are experiencing now into life. Your hatred is death for you and for others around you. People care about you, yet you obstinately refuse to believe that. That’s not good – and certainly not productive. Learn to love so that you can experience life.
    John says, “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.” Tim, It is Advantage Conferences that tears up lives.
    7) >>> Lord, I pray that you give Rep X and me both a spirit of compassion for each other and that You would enter into our lives and our relationship. I thank you in advance, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
    Tim, Please give the refunds back to he people that asked for it. It is wrong what you are doing. It tears families apart and it tears you apart.


    Rep X



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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:50:29 -0500
    Subject: WOW ... What a day! - # 2494
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    WOW ... What a day! Message List Sat Dec 2, 2006 10:17 pm Reply | Forward Message #2494 of 2529 < Prev | Next >
    Praise the Lord, oh my soul - What a magnificent day! Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your prayer support today!

    With the help of my Sunday School class, I distributed about 5000 of the Christmas Tool at the Transformed event at my church today -- Whoo hoo! (The conference was superb and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to get fired up for sharing the Gospel.)

    We stood at the doors and handed them out as people were entering / exiting the conference and just said "Merry Christmas" as we handed them out. (I honestly think I've said "Merry Christmas" more in the last two days than I have in the last 7 years combined - and it's only the 2nd day of December!) We handed them out to everyone - kids and adults alike - because if a kid takes it to school, they could use it to witness to their classmates & teachers. I had several people come up and ask if they could have extra ones to hand out to people - to which I responded "You bet!" By the end of the conference I was hoarse again -- the devil is still attacking my vocal chords, but He that is within me is greater than he that is in the world, so I am determined to press on!


    Now, I must confess 2 things to y'all ...
    • First of all, I stepped out on blind faith that there would be no problem with me distributing these this weekend. I did not seek permission to distribute these prior to these events. Quite honestly there wasn't time to do so and based on the fact that this was created under the anointing of the Holy Spirit as a means to inspire people to keep Christ in Christmas (and thus be a witness for Jesus!), I didn't feel obligated to seek anyone's approval to distribute them in my church home. Now, I will tell you that for a short time I wrestled with whether or not I should put "a gift from ... www.faithfulincome.com" at the bottom of it. After praying about it, I was touched with perfect peace about leaving it on there. By doing so I was giving every person who sees it the opportunity to double their blessing -- through a relationship with Jesus & an association with AC. I know the power of our product and the rock on which our business stands, so I would in essence be hiding my light under a bushel if I failed to mention AC. As I walked into the church with my box, I asked the Lord for wisdom and direction while distributing them. Later on, one of the church security guys came up to ask me what I was distributing and find out if I had clearance to do so ... Without thinking - literally - I handed him a copy of it, looked him square in the eyes and told him I was a member of the church & the Martin Sunday School class. He looked at me and the paper and said "oh, okay then - Merry Christmas!" and walked away. Now the old me - before AC - would have quickly apologized, packed up and left the scene. The new me - by the power of Jesus and the teaching provided by AC - stood my ground, faced the giant before me and pressed on. And you know what happened? I realized just how much AC has touched my life and how being part of AC has deepened my walk & trust in Jesus.
    • Secondly, you should know that I am so far out of my comfort zone that I've completely lost sight of it! God willing, I hope I never find it again because walking in holy boldness is a lot more thrilling! (And much more productive!)
    The evening plans were changed up a bit, so I improvised by going to a local coffee shop to hang out until my kids were due home from spending the day with Nana & Papaw. As I entered, a couple got up to leave and they left behind the newspaper they'd been reading. This was a blessing from God because it afforded me the opportunity to see what events were going on around town and make a holiday plan of action to be out where the people are during the Christmas season. I left a gift behind when I left - a $1 Million dollar bill (with the Good News on back of it) for someone special to find. :o)

    What will tomorrow bring? While at the coffee shop, thumbing through the events calendar in the paper, I had a nifty idea hit me that I will begin implementing tomorrow (or shall I say later today?) ... I plan to pay for 2 extra cups of coffee (while I get my morning fix before church) and have the cashier tell the next 2 people who buy a cup of coffee that it was "paid in full by a good Samaritan" and then hand them an envelope. Inside the envelope will be a handwritten note that says "Have a cup of cheer on me ... Merry Christmas! from Elizabeth Mashburn". Also included in the envelopes will be 4 tickets to our church's Christmas Festival and a copy of the Christmas Tool. After church, I'll spend the afternoon playing with my kids before heading back to church for a "Home for Christmas" NewSong concert wherein I expect to distribute another 5000 of the Christmas Tool as people are exiting the concert, with the assistance of my Sunday School class.

    If you want to know how I enlisted the help of my Sunday School class, you'll just have to stay tuned for tomorrow's report. Till then, take care and God bless you mightily today!

    Serving the Savior with Joy & Passion,

    Elizabeth
    ___________________________________
    Elizabeth wrote this whilst still under the influence of the Kool-aid. This wonderful lady realized it was a scam and left in 2007 with droves of reps who had learned of the BBB suit loss and who were talking and realizing alomst everyone had lost money, many out thousands and thousands. I was told she expressed her concerns to other reps and had tried to help poor Josh Peak see the light. Sadly, he is still tangled up with those clowns. The only Giant to be slain is the Great Deceiver ---- Tim Darnell.

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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: Rep X
    Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:18:08 -0500
    Subject: Looks Too Good To Be True
    To:

    Looks Too Good To Be True

    Looks Too Good To be True - Types of Fraud

    Looks Too Good To be True - Victim Stories

    FBI — Common Fraud Schemes
    __________________________________________________ _______________
    From: jack@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X
    Subject: RE: http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp !!!
    Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:23:16 -0600


    Rep X, I have the email that you said ("F" you) in the subject line.

    In Service,

    Jack
    __________________________________________________ ________________
    From: Rep X
    Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:48:13 -0500
    Subject: Fwd: http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp !!!
    To: jack@advantageconferences.com

    Jack, prove it me!!!!
    __________________________________________________ __________________
    rom: jack@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X
    Subject: RE: http://advantageconferences.com/vip/opposition.asp !!!
    Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:23:16 -0600

    Rep X, I have the email that you said ("F" you) in the subject line.

    In Service,

    Jack
    __________________________________________________ _____________________
    Would some experienced business person please tell Jack that FU means follow up.

    Soapboxmom



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    Re: Tim Darnell / Jack Weinzierl and Their E-mails Straight From Purgatory

    From: jack@advantageconferences.com
    To: Rep X
    Subject: RE: Update & Request
    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 5:19 PM

    Rep X, and you will also and you will also be billed for my time and most recently I billed out at $300.00 an hour. I wish you the very best Rep X.
    Rep X asks Darnell for a refund and scumbag Jack answers her with this. He is the one who decided to deny her refund. Bill her $300.00 an hour for what exactly?



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