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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

    My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

    Olson's next move could be interesting.
    Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

    So other than the hearsay re: ex-MPAM member Olson acquiring I Love Hits, which from what I've heard was a MPAM exchange, I don't have much to say on the subject.

    Olson himself though gave a "farewell to MPAM" obituary in his HEN newsletter some time ago.

    Goodbye To A Legend, MPAM Will Be Missed | Hit Exchange News

    Now, not having spent a lot of time with MPAM, I not exactly sure what the "shades of it’s influence everywhere", to which Jon refers in his post, actually are.

    My own thought would be, based on what I've seen TEs and IM become, i.e., tools to defraud folks with the "earn an online income" dream, is that maybe the "shades of its influence everywhere" may not have been particularly positive however, I really don't know enough to say either way.

    I've always like TEs and believe that they could have been beneficial for folks looking to make an honest living online, e.g., "e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts." to get some relatively inexpensive exposure on the web ... though maybe this was more true in pre "stumbleon" type plugin days but, these aren't the folks likely to cough up cash to keep various "make a six figure income" scamsters in business or buy useless "IM tools" from TE owners and whoever is within their particular circle of "partners" ... or pehaps "syndicate" is a more apt description.

    As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.

    And I guess this goes back to my much younger years where every now and again I watch late night infomercials from some real estate, or similar, "guru" flogging some product that they claimed they'd made millions from.

    And ... being the lazy ******* that I am ... I couldn't help but think that if I'd made those millions, I could find a lot of better things to do with my time then advising folks how to do the same on late night TV infomercials. Or, if I had a strong streak of altruism in me that made me believe that "I made my millions ... now I'd like to see others do the same", I'd be selling the products ... if I didn't want to give them away ... at whatever cost I bore to produce them, e.g., $29.95 rather than $795.00.

    So, I've always been very skeptical of the "I made millions doing this and now I'm going to show you how to do the same ... for $4995.00" crowd as, I don't know ... maybe I'm just cynical, it seemed to me that the only money most of these characters ever made was from sucking other folks into believing that they had some "cash machine while sleeping" secret that any sap could utilize without knowing dick all about business, the web, etc. to make a "passive" income.

    But enough of my ramblings.

    Re:, "Olson's next move could be interesting.", I imagine he'll just ignore it.

    Becoming embroiled in discussions on forums like this definitely won't work in his favour ... which is likely why he quickly backed out of the other thread.

    You might get the usual "some folks are jealous of other people's success" line ... that these guys seem to fall back on ... or a "I didn't realize this was happening" comment in his blog or wherever.

    But, I'd guess that will be about it.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Well, well well you have uncovered a gem of information. Affiliate Funnel and it's connection with Olson and ex MPAM members.

    I contacted the owner on the day that Affiliate Funnel opened. I expressed my disgust at the free gift which the owner was offering to his members. He offered his members a free gift of software to cheat traffic exchanges with spam bots. He removed the offer from his home page when I announced my utter disgust and did his best to persuade me to join his program. I would like to see Affiliate Funnel scrutinized by legal authorities.

    I had warned Jon Olson about these traffic exchange cheats and he assured me that the software could not be used on ILoveHits. Olson came over as a fairly ethical TE owner in those days. How times have change. He allows the promotion of any old crap now including programs devised by Freddy Mann and BoggyBoy Fiedur.

    The slimy toad who owned Affiliate Funnel may have been a TE owner who sold software to cheat "honest traffic exchange owners."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post
    Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

    As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.
    I joined MPAM but like you, I did very little of the training. I signed up to his recommended hit exchanges and his WorldWidePromoter. When it came to signing up for banner exchanges, I lost interest. Olson's banner exchange was one most widely hawked on MPAM.

    Spam from MPAM was inordinate There were times when I had to delete over 200 spam mails a day, most of which came from Adlandpro.

    I did not buy CoryRudl's Internet Marketing course but I was bombarded with sales spiel about methods devised by "The Grand Master of Internet Marketing." from Adlandpro and other sources.

    Corey's marketing methods may be the basis of the phony use of the term Internet marketing to describe reproduction of mass produced sales spiel as marketing.

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    Fascinating thread....

    O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.

    Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.

    And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....

    "Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."

    I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.

    Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.

    But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us

    And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    Fascinating thread....


    And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
    Errrr, can you explain the seeming contradiction between the statement above and:
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    Appreciate the response. 2003 huh? Wow, that's going way back lol

    However I have no idea about AdLandPro or anything of the sort. I just run my ship =) That's all I can worry about.
    Just curious...
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

    YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

    No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....

    I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    Fascinating thread....

    And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
    If you do not know anything about Adlandpro, why do you allow their traffic exchange in your TE consortium? Surely it would be better to do some DD and disassociate your exchanges with those who promote hard porn. It would also improve your reputation if you made some effort to control people like Kathleen VanBeenkon. If you let people like VanBeenkom act as a publisher for your business, it will not be long before they become poisoned.

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    This is the real robert puddy here, and the idiot who feels its ok to post crap in someone elses name should be deleted and banned from using the internet let alone a forum (any forum)

    Will the owner of this site please contact me for comfirmation of who i am and then delete all the posts by the ****** impersonating me please.

    You can contact me direct at the akhmedia support desk here http://akhmediagroup.com/support

    Thanks
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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Control people? Why on earth would I want to control anyone. Re-read what you just said....

    She's an affiliate. She's promoting my business. So because she promotes something you guys don't like, I'm supposed to rid the net of her?

    You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.

    Allow what? Ad land Pro? I cannot even tell you the last time I ever saw an ad for that program...

    Oh btw this imposter who names themselves 'Robert Puddy' isn't the real Robert Puddy from the T.E. industry. They are obviously trying to bicker and start drama.

    Sad really.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

    YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

    No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....

    I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.
    No "witch hunt" at all. When somebody makes statements that appear to contradict each other, it can often mean they are struggling with the truth or have a memory issue. Your statements appear to contradict each other and I was looking for clarification, and your response was more of a deflection, not a clarification. If you feel that someone asking a question is on a "witch hunt" perhaps you have a witch to hide...?
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post

    You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.
    Wrong Jon. RS has shown our readers that Adlandpro is a site that promotes idiotic get rich deals and masses of hard porn. If you do not want to find out if this is true and do some DD on the matter, you are burying your head in the sand.

    Kathleen was proud to announce the fact that Adlandpro is a part of TimTech. She has put your site above the radar. You can't justify yourself by saying that you are not concerned about what goes on at Scamland. It is part of TimTech and you should investigate the place because you can be sure that legal authorities know all about it.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Hiding something?

    I'm not the one going onto an online forum, not using my real name and throwing people under the bus.

    Here's what I am hiding.

    My name is Jon Olson

    You can reach me at 1-877-244-3581

    My HOME address is 1619 65 Street SW Edmonton Canada

    I'm online every weekday for my 'internet show' at 4pm Eastern.

    My email is jon at timtech.us

    Now exactly how am I 'hiding' something?

    I KNOW of Ad land Pro...Yes. I have heard of it. I've been in this business for 14 years.

    I KNOW nothing of the drama and why you guys hate it. And frankly, don't care. That's your beef.

    I'm here to show you a face to the company TimTech that you guys are throwing under the bus for unwarranted reasons.

    That's all.

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    Ad Land Pro is NOT a part of TimTech and has NOTHING to do with it.

    Does that clear it up? LOL I doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    Fascinating thread....

    O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.

    Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.

    And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....

    "Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."

    I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.

    Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.

    But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us

    And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
    Jon, you have to be careful when you quote your TOS. You seem to be reading it selectively. You are apparently a judge and jury of "investment surf" sites as noted below. If you are going to allow ponzis like JSS Tripler and the myriad of other blatant ponzis and pyramids, you might as well allow the old autosurf ponzis(are there any still out there), porn, and whatever else anybody wants.

    From I Love Hits

    Sites containing or with links to hate, discriminatory, pornography or warez are not allowed or tolerated. Also, all 'investment surf' sites are now banned at I Love Hits. Management reserves the right to suspend and remove any URL.
    FWIW, I understand why you can't actually keep these things out of rotation with thousands of users spread across your network. Even if you were able to eliminate links to a ponzi's site directly, promoters would then just create splash and capture pages that were too vague to determine absolutely that they were ponzi related.

    Unfortunately for you, ponzis are heavily promoted in every TE that I've seen and you will sometimes be considered guilty by association. I guess you'll just have to accept it as the price you pay for running a popular set of TE's.

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    Surfer - Finally, someone who makes sense.

    Yes, I agree. We used to remove investment surfs from all the debacle that happened with 12 dailypro. It was a mess, and we tried very hard to differentiate 'auto investment surfs' from traditional traffic exchanges.

    It's a tough battle. Here's my approach to it and I know it won't make any fans in this forum...Just like you said, staying on top and banning things doesn't work well in my programs. I have tens of thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of URLs...If I ban a domain, they pop back up in rotation under an alias, or tracker or whatever...

    What I choose to do, which again, isn't popular here I'm sure...Is train my members that seek out information on why they should steer clear of these things. We talk about ever green products, and long tail business models...NOT get rich quick schemes.

    The problem is, in my industry, people want the quick fix and don't want to work to get any kind of success online.

    Now instead of me dictating what is and what is not a scam, we decided many years ago to let the people decide...Kind of like the tagline of this forum...We want people to feel that they can promote what they want, but if they do , they should know that some of the stuff out there is questionable. So we created ClickTrackProfit, to train affiliates about ever green ONE level affiliate payment structures, which in my opinion are a much better investment than any tripler, doubler, scheme...

    But alas, we will never please everyone. One hand tells me, ban the world to protect your 'reputation'...The other says 'if you ban me, you are calling me a scam and that could be libel'....So as the 'enabler' of this, we choose to educate. Not dictate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    Ad Land Pro is NOT a part of TimTech and has NOTHING to do with it.

    Does that clear it up? LOL I doubt it
    Kathleen made an announcement stating that Adlandpro Traffic Exchange was a part of TimTech in her biz opps forum at Adlandpro. "Scratchy replied to her statement about that on RS. Who is speaking the truth about that, you or Kathleen? I suggest you read Kathleen's Scamland forums very carefully if you want to deny her statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Olson View Post
    Hiding something?

    I'm not the one going onto an online forum, not using my real name and throwing people under the bus.
    I use my own name on public forums Jon, so does SBM and so do at least five people here whom I could name. Some people prefer to remain anonymous. That is perfectly normal. If you read letters to the editor of any broadsheet newspapers you will see that some people give real names and others sign them (anon)

    If you made the effort to do some DD and remove hard porn promoting sites from TimTech you would get much more respect here.
    I did not try to throw your business under a bus. I asked why you allowed yourself to admit a hard porn promoter like Adlandpro or obvious scams like Fred Mann's Just Been Paid family of programs or the EZ scams promoted everywhere by VanBeenkom to be advertised on ILoveHits.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Well, I'll have to go to bat for Jon just a bit here.

    First, I am a registered user on the TimTech sites. As far as I know, Adland Pro is not any part of TimTech. The only TE or opportunity type sites under TimTech's umbrella that I'm aware of are ClickTrackProfit, StartXchange, ILoveHits, Sweeva, and ThumbVu. SiteExplosion, TopFlightTraffic, and SurfSkeleton are all part of their "NerdSurfing", but I don't think that they are owned by TimTech.

    Numerous TE's offer CTP Badges, so they are in some way affiliated with TimTech, but not under their control. I have no idea if Adland Pro's TE offers badges. That would be about the only way that I think they would be "directly" affiliated with TimTech. I'd like to see a link to Kathleen's statement saying they are part of TimTech.

    As far as I can recall, I've never seen a single piece of porn in rotation on their TE's. While it may happen on occasion, I'm sure users would make quick use of the report site function.

    Regarding sites like JSS Tripler and other ponzi's being promoted there, you can't realistically believe that they could filter out all of that type of site from the exchanges.

    In an ideal world, they could spend time reviewing every single site that is submitted. But that just isn't possible.

    And like I mentioned above, even if they removed direct links to ponzi sites, there would be nothing stopping people from creating vague capture or splash pages that would then lead people to the sites. Or, members could submit a site/domain into rotation that was compliant and then just change the site after it was approved.

    It would be a neverending and losing battle.

    We all draw our ethical lines in the sand. Because ponzis are actively promoted by TE users, you could say all TE's are corrupt and are no better than sites like MMG, TG, etc. As for me, the difference is that sites like MMG and TG are built almost exclusively to promote ponzis and pyramids while the TE's encompass all internet money making "opportunities" of which ponzis and pyramids are unfortunately included.

    Just my .02

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    Surfer - thank you, you are correct. We own Click Track Profit, Sweeva, I Love Hits, StartXchange, ThumbVu, Traffic Exchange List, TE Toolbox, Doctor Traffic and we just recently sold Ad Kreator.

    We do NOT own or have anything to do with Ad Land Pro...How do I know this? Because I am an OWNER of TimTech. And they do not have CTP Badges and we have never been in contact with the owners of Ad Land Pro. I've never mentioned them other than in this forum...I just know they exist, that's the extent of my relationship with that company.

    As Surfer mentioned, we try very hard to keep porn out of our TE's...If something does slip through the crack, we get rid of it almost immediately.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by surfer View Post
    Jon, you have to be careful when you quote your TOS. You seem to be reading it selectively. You are apparently a judge and jury of "investment surf" sites as noted below. If you are going to allow ponzis like JSS Tripler and the myriad of other blatant ponzis and pyramids, you might as well allow the old autosurf ponzis(are there any still out there), porn, and whatever else anybody wants.

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    FWIW, I understand why you can't actually keep these things out of rotation with thousands of users spread across your network. Even if you were able to eliminate links to a ponzi's site directly, promoters would then just create splash and capture pages that were too vague to determine absolutely that they were ponzi related.

    Unfortunately for you, ponzis are heavily promoted in every TE that I've seen and you will sometimes be considered guilty by association. I guess you'll just have to accept it as the price you pay for running a popular set of TE's.
    Agreed 110%. Distinguishing between which type of frauds are permitted on your TE and which are not, takes away any claim of neutrality and is certainly inconsistent with your comment "I am NOT judge and jury for anything". You are simply judging those you choose to judge.

    The "I just run my ship" argument doesn't really wash, when it freely permits the promotion of schemes which are highly likely to be criminal (CONSOB, the regulatory body in Italy has already suspended JustBeenPaid as a suspected ilegal scheme, to name but one). The TEs which allow all these get rich quick schemes help to enable them, as you well know. It's illegal and immoral to deal in stolen goods, even if you didnt commit the act of theft yourself. It may not be illegal (yet) but it's still immoral to knowingly or negligently enable ponzi and pyramid scheme promotion, even if it's free. (and please dont tell me that you have no idea, after all your years and experience in the industry).

    I appreciate that controlling the sites advertised is quite a task, but, in view of the crap that gets permitted, think that some kind of review is very necessary.


    p.s. I do agree with you on one issue. After reading Robert Puddy's posts, the question came to mine - Is it really him?

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    O.K....So if you go to Google and type in 'JustBeenPaid' and you can then connect to their website.....Should Google be taught a lesson too?

    I mean, those nasty web sites are everywhere in every search engine on planet earth...

    How do you think Google is dealing with it? Just asking.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    It's not a realistic comparison.

    If anyone has gone as far to type JustBeenPaid in Google, it's because they are specifically looking for information about them. They may indeed reach ther website, or they may click on any one of a number of other websites which comment about it, including Real Scam.

    However, it will not show up any TE links for JPB , because the ads are in the TE rotator and are not site links.

    In addition the vast majority of internet users do know that Google lists ALL websites on ALL topics, commercial or not, and not just those ones which advertise legal businesses or say nice things.

    If on the other hand, someone types in the name of a Traffic Exchange, and participates in that site's function - viewing ads - they will be shown a JustBeenPaid ad without specifically having asked to see it. They may well go to that Traffic Exchange to exchange traffic views of their own site (which may even be for a legitimate product or service) for views of others' sites. They may well assume that those other sites are adverts for legitimate businesses and follow them because they found them on your Traffic Exchange. As Traffic Exchanges, per se are legitimate businesses, the implication could well be that the adverts they accept are also legitimate.

    The only comparison with Google that I can see at all, is their acceptance of fraudulent schemes' business (and money) for Google Adwords. THAT is a major clean up area that Google should certainly be dealing with. It certainly causes problems for anti scam sites and their readers if they use them.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    I brought up the issue of ILoveHits when I saw that Kathleen VanBeenkom recommended it as a place to advertise her EZ scams. I mentioned it in post 563 in This RS Thread.

    Jon did run an ethical traffic exchange in 2003 when I joined. He was one of the few who would not allow any autosurf programs to advertise there. I used to read his Hit Exchange News which was a genuine attempt to keep traffic exchanges respectable. I was the one who contacted Jon to ask if he approved of Katleen's bad public relations for his exchange.

    ILoveHits has evolved into an exchange which allows programs like EZ and JBP to advertise and affiliates like VanBeenkom to bring his exchange into disrepute.

    It is up to Jon. If he does not improve the image and ethics of ILoveHits, it will deteriorate into an Adlandpro type sewer with sewer rats like VanBeenkom promoting his name on every public forum on the net.
    Last edited by path2prosperity; 05-24-2012 at 06:48 PM.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

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    LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

    YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

    No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....
    We object to the fact that they promote hard porn and ridiculous get rich schemes there Jon. We also object to the fact that the allow cyber bullies to try and destroy members here. Our "scratchy" has been the target of notorious cyber bullies like Jim Allen and Peter Fogel on Adlandpro. She has had the courage to stand up to these people and I hope that you do not ever sink to the level of Adlandpro.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Bullies?

    Some of you guys are the real bullies, you just don't see it.

    Your efforts to rid the world of scams are legit and I applaud it, but you throw people under the bus because we get MENTIONED in ad land pro....I don't care of ad land pro, so because I get mentioned there, all of a sudden ILH and TimTech 'supports' it? LOLOL Think about that...Seriously.

    You just tried to throw an ex-TimTech program AdKreator under the bus too...Some of you guys are the biggest bullies I have seen in quite some time. It's a shame, because I do honestly think you mean well...

    But you are fighting the wrong people. I'm not your enemy and neither are my websites and company.

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