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    TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

    Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers.

    VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.

    Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

    "I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

    Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

    TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

    Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."
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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote from another of VanBeenkom's RealSum review

    "Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

    I was not thrown out of Adland for rule breaking. My membership was terminated when Scamland admin saw one of my web sites and those people whom I mentioned on the site disliked the content.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

    Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers.

    VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.

    Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

    "I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

    Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

    TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

    Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."
    How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed View Post
    How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
    I missed out, too.

    Like you, I'm really offensive.
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    Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

    As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed View Post
    How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
    Perhaps you would get a mention if you joined ILoveHits and accepted the invitation to be informed about the free offers and services offered by one of the Tim Tech owners Jon Olsen.

    You joined Fred Mann's crew to discover what "benefits" you could obtain from Fred Mann'sJustBeenPaid or JSSTripler

    Now is your chance to meet what could be the largest nest of Fred Mann promoters on the net along with the owner of ILoveHits who showed his nose in RS to defend his program and ignored comments about Fred Mann or porn promotion on Adlandpro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    I missed out, too.
    They are waiting in the wings for a stab at you LRM. "Beware The Ides of March."

    You described TimTech as shady which incensed Jon Olson but it looks as if VanBeenkom is too small a TimTech member to draw any attention from him. I have been searching through old documents and disks to try to find out more about the origins of I love Hiits. I joined on Feb 2nd 2003 under Michael Russel from MAPAM. I have been asking questions about MPAM for a long time and got no answers. This man could have been an opportunist who saw a short term money spinner and dropped it but if he is still around and part of TimTech, he is above the radar now.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    It is interesting to read what VanBeenkom has to say about JonOlson and other TimTech owners have to say about their respect for Adlandpro.

    I quote VanBeenkom. spouting of about other traffic exchange owners HERE

    "Even the TimTech guys know Adlandpro is legendary, and anyone who doesn't like Adlandpro or doesn't recognize the greatness here, doesn't know what they're talking about...RS and the haters there don't know what they're talking about, regarding ANYTHING in online marketing. "

    Compare VanBeenkom's statement about what Jon Olson has to say about Adlandpro, when he made his RS debut in THIS RS THREAD. Jon Olson says that he knows nothing about Adlandpro whatsoever and that his only concern is running his own ship.

    VanBeenkom could have upset Jon Olson by making statements about him which are in direct opposition to his own words in RS.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed View Post
    How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
    Darn! You are just not as famous as we are, we love to hate you know!

    Kathleen you are still lying through your fingers and you expect people to believe you anymore!!??? You are pointing fingers at the ones who are telling the world all your promotions are SCAMS, FRAUD, PYRAMID SCHEMES and any and all other 'programs' you can latch onto to steal money from other people. RS will not suffer from anything you have to say.

    Keep promoting SCAM and it will be reported in RS.

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    "I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.
    She NEVER exaggerates either!!!

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    I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".

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    She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

    And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

    And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?
    Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".

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    I noticed that scratchy. Kathleen has only one supporter in that forum, Jimbo who still promotes free groceries in his Scamland profile. Strange that none of their friends are backing them against RS.

    I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them. Jon Olson claims to have no knowledge of Scamland and Kathleen says the opposite.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

    As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.
    I have been asking that for many years LRM. I learned the meaning of marketing from somebody who was a marketing manager for tea bags and got them on the market as an alternative to loose leaf tea. I think it was Tetley for whom he worked. If not it was the first big company to launch tea bags in UK. This man knew what he was talking about and gave seminars.

    I tried to learn a very different form of "Internet marketing" from Michael Russel the founder of MPAM. He called it his Massive Passive Advertising Program. Was he a founding father of mass produced crap advertising? He is the only one I know.

    Michael's methods were. 1) Join all his recommended traffic exchanges including ILoveHits and Adlandpro. 2) Join Worldwide Promoter and blast out ads to all and sundry. 3) Join all his recommended banner exchanges. 4)Join all his recommended currency exchangers. 5) Join all his recommended FFA free for all advertising pages. 6) Join all his recommended safe lists.

    Last lesson was stop complaining and upgrade your memberships to the paid version. What has become of Michael Russel and MPAM? I have asked that question on many forums. Please help find the answer to that puzzle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.
    I agree with that one!!

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    This thread is funny.

    The answer to the thread title comes down to whether scam enablers are any better than the scamsters themselves.

    And as anyone who has been online and around the "internet marketing" (IM) scene for more than a few weeks knows, traffic exchanges (TEs) are for the most part just scam enablers.

    Anyone who doubts this just needs to join a few random TEs and surf for awhile.

    TEs are useless for anyone seeking to grow a "legitimate" business. TEs just "funnel" noobs looking for a way to "make money online" into the arms of various web fraudsters and other programs that relieve the noobs of their money without giving them anything to show for it.

    The only folks who benefit from TEs are the owners who, in recent years at least, use the "free" membership TEs offer as a means of building their own list of suckers to whom they can flog their own or their pal's useless "internet marketing" tools, and the fraudsters whose programs comprise the majority of the pages advertised in TEs.

    And these same owners know that TEs are useless and won't in any way help most of the IM noobs who use them but, of course that's not what they tell the noobs.

    So the question becomes, are TE owners any less a scamster than the out and out fraudsters whose programs, e.g., "Earn $10,000 per month while you're sleeping", make up a bulk of the traffic in their exchanges?

    And are they any less a scamster for selling credits, etc.for a service that they know won't in any way provide a benefit to most who use it ... and that they know is largely used by IM noobs seeking the "make money online" holy grail that 99% will never find?

    Jon Olson's an ex-MPAM guy who likes to present himself as a "good ol boy" who made the jump from pizza making to online "success" ... though in his telling, this was only after much hard work and "learning" on his part.

    Most of his "pals" have the same story, i.e., minimum wage worker who "made it good online" and after much hard work (supposedly) achieved the "six figure income" so often referred to on IM scam pages.

    The only difference between Jon Olson, Tim Linden, etc. and the top level IM fraudsters is that they either have some shred of conscience left that for the most part keeps them from crossing the Kern, Filsaime, etc. "I'd sell my mother for $5 ... but get in soon because there's only one of her" ... top dog fraudster line or they don't want to end up in the slammer ... as Kern, Filsaime, etc. likely will at some point.

    But neither has any problem selling services and products they know ... because they're sharp guys ... won't benefit the IM noobs who use them and they ... or at least Olson ... have no problem telling folks who see no "results" from those free or paid services that it's because they didn't "work hard enough", yadda, yadda, yadda ... the same lines used by top dog MLM type fraud artists for countless years.

    Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE ... though apparently after many years in the IM world he still doesn't feel comfortable enough to decide whether what most with a minimal amount of knowledge of IM could easily identify as a pyramid scheme is legit or not.

    Which perhaps isn't surprising given that if all the scam pages were removed from TEs, there'd be little or nothing left to surf ... and no noob IM folks left to "funnel" in TE owner programs or buy useless "marketing" tools promoted by the owner or inner circle of buds.

    So are the "Tim Tech" guys any better than the fraudsters whose "programs" make up the bulk of their TE content?

    Guess that's a matter of personal opinion.

    Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.",

    I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

    Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.

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    Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com

    IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

    i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com

    IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

    i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.
    Thanks littleroundman.

    Just want to point out ... because eventually someone will show up to say this ... that the kind of illegal ponzi schemes that some used cheap autosurf ... and maybe manual surf ... scripts to set up is not what the TimTech folks are in to.

    The TimTech TEs follow the traditional TE model, i.e., surf for credits or, if you don't want to surf, buy credits.

    The question, for me at least, is whether these folks are any better than the scammers whose programs make up the majority of the pages on their exchanges ... or rather are just scam enablers who further profit by selling credits to em IM noobs for services they're well aware won't produce results for the majority of these folks and also using their "membership" as a list to flog their and their pal's useless "marketing tools" and services to these same noobs.

    In my opinion, they're no better than snake oil salesmen selling a product that they know won't deliver the benefits claimed ... and then exacerbating the problem by exposing relatively innocent, and often desperate, folks looking for the fabled "six figure online income" to even more snake oil salesmen being advertised on their exchange(s).

    My own view is that the web ... and many of the folks who've lost a lot pursuing the, to say the least, illusive dream of a "six figure online income" ... would have been better off if guys like Olson had stuck to making pizzas ... though that wouldn't have provided some of these guys with the same "sit on your fat ass playing video games most of the day" lifestyle that at least a few seem to enjoy.

    But, it's just a matter of opinion ... and conscience ... I guess.

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    Yep,

    I think your last sentence says it all:

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Puddy
    But, it's just a matter of opinion ... AND CONSCIENCE... I guess.
    IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.

    None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.

    Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.

    And, it IS a problem.
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    IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.

    None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.

    Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.

    And, it IS a problem.
    I agree completely.

    I've been cruising around the web since the days before Internet Explorer.

    In the late 90's, I, like many, became interested in the "make money online" stuff.

    Which eventually led me to the MLM pyramid schemes of the day ... though I didn't recognize these as "pyramid schemes" at the time ... and the few traffic exchanges that then existed.

    Surprisingly enough, lol, I didn't make a dime from my involvement with either and after that my interest in "making money online" sort of came and went through the years. Every now and then, I'd drop back into that world for a time, then drift back out ... basically because the time I had to put into my real world employment and family didn't allow for the time and effort required to earn a , in my view, "legitimate" income from my online activities or even adequately learn how this could be done.

    But every time I came back, what many referred to as "IM" seemed to me to be increasingly scuzzy.

    Or as you put it in an earlier post "Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??"

    I never became significantly involved in that kind of IM because for me at least, it was crossing a line I didn't want to cross, i.e., knowingly lying to often desperate people to relieve them of what little cash they may have had.

    And I think that's what a lot of so-called IM has become ... and it's good to to have forums like this to hopefully save some with a "make money online" dream from falling into the clutches of folks who have no problem at all taking cash from them for products and services that won't do squat to fulfill any dreams/fantasies they may have about "gaining financial freedom" by their, mostly futile, IM activities.

    Because, as I think most who frequent this forum know, the majority of these folks won't make a dime online from their IM related activities. Most are more likely to end up losing what little money they have and end up feeling like a failure after becoming involved with various IM hucksters ... who of course have no problem telling these people that their failure to earn anything from the huckster's "program", or whatever, is a result of their not "working hard enough" or "not being willing to invest enough in their own future" or any of the many other lines IM and MLM scammers use to deflect from the fact that their "program" is a fraud and only a select number of participants, ie., the scammer and their associates, were ever going to make money.

    And those who don't outright fail are eventually going to come to the "line" they need to cross to make any money online ... which in many cases will involve them choosing to be scam artists themselves and knowingly defraud IM noobs by selling services and "products" that the scammer knows are useless.

    I tend to think (or hope) that most people give up and walk away at this point. But some will forge ahead knowing that what they're doing is immoral and/or illegal ... and in some cases convincing themselves that the snake oil they're peddling actually has some value to the poor saps buying it.

    And to my mind that's where, and I'm being generous here, folks like the "TimTech" cabal are at.

    You either convince yourself that you're a "legitimate businessman" selling a marginally useful product or you accept the fact that your product is largely useless and for the most part a device to enable various web scammers to peddle their wares and just live with that ... because of course you have to "feed you family" etc. ... or you just go back to a minimum wage real world job.

    I'd guess that most involved with TimTech have gone the "convince yourself you're a legitimate businessman" route ... which for Tim Linden may be marginally true because he does have some web programming skills.

    But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Puddy
    But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.
    Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"

    AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.

    I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.
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    Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"

    AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.

    I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.
    I agree with you.

    My view is that the TimTech guys and many other in the TE "industry" are very much aware that most or pretty much all of the stuff being "surfed" in their traffic exchanges are scams ... with the remainder being folks trying to build a a list or a "downline" in other traffic exchanges.

    I don't think anyone surfing a traffic exchange is likely to see many pages from folks trying to make a legitimate online business, e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts.

    Guys like Olson don't care about the fact that their TE is mostly filled with scam pages ... it is, as you put it, just a matter of "as long as I get mine" and not caring who gets hurt in the process ... though of course they go out of their way to project a phony "care about my members" concern.

    So you get the "I'm an honest person and if I wasn't why would I give you my real name" and the "Ive been on the internet for 12years ... so I mus be honest" spiel.

    Typical web scam stuff ... but unfortunately most IM noobs don't catch onto this.

    They just see the "good ol boy" who made it good on the web and can show them ... for a price .. how to do it themselves, i.e., just become a sociopath who has no problem screwing people who are desperate enough to believe their goal to make a "six figure" income online is attainable through relatively honest means.

    Of course the "how to do it themselves" "mentoring" will usually come down to "lie to everyone".

    The problem with guys like Olson is that for the most part they don't participate in egregious scams ... they just enable others to scam ... so they don't often end up being discussed on forums like this and year after year are able to sell useless services that enable scammers, while maintaining their, for example, "I'm just a jolly traffic guy" type persona.

    And yes, folks like this play a big part in the "web scammer" problem ... but for he most part, their hands remain (to the casual observer) clean ... or at least to IM noobs who don't know any better.

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    Welcome to RS Robert. I am absolutely delighted that we have a new member from the MPAM era. Was Michael Russel a con artist or a guy who spotted an easy way to make money without spending any. I would be delighted to see a new thread about MPAM as he was my mentor in "Internet Marketing," which I firmly believed was nothing to do with marketing when I came online. I gave his methods serious consideration and found them wanting

    I started threads in RS and or WLD asking how reproducing mass produced sales spiel became known as Internet Marketing. Michael Russel was one who perpetuated the idea but Corey Rudl who inspired BoggyBoy Fiedur from Scamlandpro seems to be the biggest legend and success in the field of "internet Marketing" today.

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    Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post
    Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE .

    Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.", I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

    Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.
    Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

    My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

    Olson's next move could be interesting.

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