Thread: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

I don't know what the beef is with Kathleen, nor do I care to hear it.

Have you ever heard of the ostrich who hides it's head in the sand? People like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters. We do not point the finger at those who have not promoted known scams ad nauseum.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

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It is impossible to filter/police all sites on traffic exchanges because there are endless ways to get around a domain being banned. I agree with Jon that the only real way to curb the scam sites is by educating people. Even with education, many people still have to learn for themselves. Overall, scam/illegal sites will never go away, just like drugs coming in from Mexico.

You have a few points right Paul.

Crime is, always has been and always will be the largest growth industry on the planet. Crime prevention is the second largest but the gap between the two is closing faster than ever before.

Empires rise and Empires fall, they are evolving systems. Jon Olson started out with good intentions but the advent of multi tabbed browsers has been the death warrent for first generation manual traffic exchanges. Jon has been defeated by an abstract enemy which is "the rate of change." He can choose to whine or he can go back to the drawing board and use his expertise to develop a new genre of traffic exchanges that are adapted to weed out scams in the age of multibrowsers. If he does not do it another person will and he will loose out on any momentum which he had in the traffic exchange "industry"

Success in business is not unlike the game of snakes and ladders. John has been eaten by the snake when he was climbing the ladder. Hard cheese but it happens to a lot of us. He could build on his bad experience if he has enough "spherical objects."

Originally Posted by okosh

Here is the latest poop from honest Jon and his scam exchange....

Interesting address at the bottom....Didn't Jon say he's in Canada???....

Well done you "Okosh." Keep the guy above the radar. RS has given him an opportunity to use his brains and admit his past mistakes. If he tries to crawl under a stone with the rest of the cyberspace scum, he is a complete idiot. If he goes back to the drawing board and produces something new for traffic exchanges, he will get some recognition and a highly commended badge from me and others here.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

I understand the desire to rid the net of scams, although a futile effort it is.

Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.

In fact, we make our intent very clear in our logo:



There is no element of compulsion attached to reading or becoming a member of the forum.

We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.

Having said that, collectively we view traffic exchanges as shady at best and downright fraudulent in many instances.

If people want to play in the shadows, either running or participating in traffic exchanges, as long as they're fully informed, it's down to them.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.

Exactly LRM. If an evolving system expands too quickly natural evolution throws the system into chaos. If it expands too slowly it withers and dies without prodgeny. We can not do anything to effect the rate of change in evolving systems but we can state that well policed manual traffic exchanges appear to be a dying species.

First of all, I am Paul Coonan. I own vTraffiRush. In reading what is being spewed by a couple people here, I can clearly see there is a lack of very basic investigation, which leads to blatant disregard for the facts. My site is not affiliated with a "proclaimed" scam site reported in this forum, attached to a person named Tom Green. Never heard of the guy and I have no partners in anything I do anyway. I resent the fact of my site being labeled a scam without even being looked at, and mostly on the basis of one particular person promoting it. The quotes that were pulled form Kathleen's blog where direct quotes from me personally, my words, word for word.

Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

I am not one to typically get involved in petty drama, but as the owner of a site mentioned in your Kathleen flame, I felt the need to share my observations and personal experience.

First of all, I am Paul Coonan. I own vTraffiRush. In reading what is being spewed by a couple people here, I can clearly see there is a lack of very basic investigation, which leads to blatant disregard for the facts. My site is not affiliated with a "proclaimed" scam site reported in this forum, attached to a person named Tom Green. Never heard of the guy and I have no partners in anything I do anyway. I resent the fact of my site being labeled a scam without even being looked at, and mostly on the basis of one particular person promoting it. The quotes that were pulled form Kathleen's blog where direct quotes from me personally, my words, word for word.

I understand the desire to rid the net of scams, although a futile effort it is. I tried to make a difference, just like a couple people here. In 2000-2003 I had and ran iSAAF.com, Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud. I, with many willing people who has also been burned, became IM watchdogs. I even used to have direct communication with Peter Thiel, former founding partner of PayPal and now philanthropist billionaire. Pete used to frequent my site, mainly looking for the sites that were finding ways to exploit PayPal. In fact, I used to report directly to him when I came across a new PayPal scam.

One thing I learned in my crusade was to be careful who I pointed a finger at, because you have no idea who they truly are. Don't take this as threat, that is not the intent. I am only sharing what happened to me. Pointing a finger at the wrong site/person has it's costs, but even worse, as I learned, you can point a finger at the right site/person, a true scammer, and find your life changed. I uncovered someone. In a nutshell, I ended up getting escorted out of my Microsoft Office by security. Full domains were taken out and used against me where I was personally libeled and slandered to a degree that it cost me my future wife at the time. Trying to get a job in that industry after that was nearly impossible if my name was searched online. I lost a career and a family.

I don't know what the beef is with Kathleen, nor do I care to hear it. But I will say this. If you don't like what she promotes, you may as well be getting the names and social connections of the 10's of 1,000's of people that promote the very same sites.

If you go to the grocery store and get some blueberries, take them home and choke on one, there are a couple people here that I could see going to the government to get blueberries outlawed. On top of that, I could see a couple people here also taking out a web site or going to a forum to personally slander and flame the store manager, and even the cashier simply for allowing the blueberries to be in the store.

Point is, people choke on blueberries everyday. In fact, there a many who die every year by choking on blueberries. But, the store owners will never take them out of their stores. Customers who want them have plenty other stores they could go to. The government would never ban them from being stores. They believe people are smart enough to be careful when eating blueberries and any problems with blueberries, the people would learn and share their experiences.

If you don't want to see scam sites in the internet anymore, best to just quit marketing. The ratio of real opportunities vs scams has never changed in the last 13 years.

In internet marketing, there are those who wallow in self-pity and blame others for their failures, and then there are those who get back up, brush themselves off and continue on with a better vision of what not to do. They also realize it was their own fault if they got scammed. For many, that is the dues that have to be paid to one day be successful.

It is impossible to filter/police all sites on traffic exchanges because there are endless ways to get around a domain being banned. I agree with Jon that the only real way to curb the scam sites is by educating people. Even with education, many people still have to learn for themselves. Overall, scam/illegal sites will never go away, just like drugs coming in from Mexico.

Overall, don't let your crusade hurt you or family, as it did mine, and you should avoid hurting others especially those who are not the scam site owners, but merely innocent members.

I am sorry to hear that your endeavours to fight crime came to a bad end. Does it mean if you can't beat them, join them? No, we are doing little more than making a small splash in the very large pond but in the long run it is worth it. Just to call attention to one person before they jump on that hyped up band wagon with promises of fortunes and lose what little money they had to some top leaders in a pyramid scheme - that makes a difference. A friend of mine thanked me and members of RS for making others aware of these scams. She said she would have fallen for them. She is not alone. So maybe in our efforts here we are reaching more people than you or anyone is aware of including those of us who dig for the dirt behind the false and spiced up claims to 'getting rich overnight'.

I have read through your statement and it comes through to me that you just might have been given some information from some it would be best not to trust. IMO

It is always good to hear other opinions and maybe you can tell us more about your company and if it would be a good place for a legitimate business to advertise.

I logged in to surf ILoveHits and found the first thing to hit me in the gob was this text.

Hi Surfer
Just Been Paid Now With Over 800,000 Members And Growing Steadily. You get paid 2% Monday To Friday And 1.5% On Weekends. They Even Give You $10 To Test The Waters. YES THATS RIGHT $10 TO GIVE THEM A TRY.Cool
JustBeenPaid

I surfed a few pages and then came to SFI. members of RS have been asking about SFI and it's origins for some time perhaps Jon can tell us a little more about this outfit which he allows to advertise.

SixFigureIncome

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Have you ever heard of the ostrich who hides it's head in the sand? People like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters. We do not point the finger at those who have not promoted known scams ad nauseum.

If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

You have a few points right Paul.

Crime is, always has been and always will be the largest growth industry on the planet. Crime prevention is the second largest but the gap between the two is closing faster than ever before.

Empires rise and Empires fall, they are evolving systems. Jon Olson started out with good intentions but the advent of multi tabbed browsers has been the death warrent for first generation manual traffic exchanges. Jon has been defeated by an abstract enemy which is "the rate of change." He can choose to whine or he can go back to the drawing board and use his expertise to develop a new genre of traffic exchanges that are adapted to weed out scams in the age of multibrowsers. If he does not do it another person will and he will loose out on any momentum which he had in the traffic exchange "industry"

You are disillusioned and obviously don't keep up with what is going on between Mexico and the US. The gap between prevention and the drug war, as an example, is has drastically widened and even Mexico is saying the drug war is a complete failure. In fact the US war on drugs has turned Mexico and Central America into a hell never before seen in their history.

If the crime prevention gap was closing in, sites like JBP would never have made it this far. The only thing that is expanding in the US is the prison industry, due in part to privatization of prisons. 2 major for profit prison corporations have State with deficit budgets by the balls right now as the corporations try to take over the prison industry, expanding on the for profit incarceration. While police forces are being cut, for profit prisons are hiring. Personally I do not call that a crime prevention measure, and it is far from being labeled as crime prevention growth.

As to keeping up with changes in the TE industry, I started online when there was only one traffic exchange, clickthru.net. I have watched the evolution in whole. There is very little different today. Today we have multi-tabbed browsers, but surfing has never changed, from the beginning of more than one TE in the industry to the mainstream acceptance of multi-tabbed browsers. Before multi-tabbed browsers, surfers just opened up multiple, separate browser windows to surf more than one TE at a time.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.

In fact, we make our intent very clear in our logo:



There is no element of compulsion attached to reading or becoming a member of the forum.

We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.

Having said that, collectively we view traffic exchanges as shady at best and downright fraudulent in many instances.

If people want to play in the shadows, either running or participating in traffic exchanges, as long as they're fully informed, it's down to them.

Information is key, although the comments, especially from you, appear to be quite biased, and I have already shown that you do not get your facts straight before you open your mouth, which is why I chimed in regarding my own site which you and others have labeled a scam because it is 'similar in name' to a site by an owner you have inadvertently connected me with, a person who I have never even heard of, nor do I have any partners in anything I do.

Your words are dangerous to the credibility of this forum. If anyone takes your biased, un-thoughtout, un-investigated, overly-opinionated rants with more than a grain of salt, then you have a truly ignorant following.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Okay, 50,000 others added. Thanks.

Maybe we will take them one at a time, can you supply names?

Originally Posted by scratchycat

Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.

I speak for myself, thank you. I will say again, if you don't like what Kathleen is promoting, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your childish attack campaign. But maybe you are incapable of expanding beyond a handful of scapegoats that you can give a names to.

1000's of people promote my sites. The members of my sites promote all the same sites that members at Jon Olsen's site promote, in fact, all the same sites that are promoted at over 2000 different traffic sources. So why focus in on one site owner? Why focus in on one promoter?

Are my sites scam sites now as well since my members promote all the same sites that are being promoted at Jon's site and over 2000 other traffic sources? You decide! lol

Originally Posted by scratchycat

It is always good to hear other opinions and maybe you can tell us more about your company and if it would be a good place for a legitimate business to advertise.

My sites do not meet your criteria. My members promote all the same stuff you despise. But overall, my sites, as well as traffic exchanges, are a good place for any legitimate business to advertise. It is not like legitimate businesses get hidden behind illegitimate ones. If you choose to not advertise at a site that may also contain sites you do not like, you cut your resources down to zero. Good luck getting your sites seen, because you will have a difficult time finding a resource where all the other sites are all one you like!

Originally Posted by scratchycat

Okay, 50,000 others added. Thanks.

Maybe we will take them one at a time, can you supply names?

Yeah sure! Let me just hand over my list of members!

Originally Posted by scratchycat

Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.

You know, that scardie cat avatar you use is fitting. It appeals to your paranoia!

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

You know, that scardie cat avatar you use is fitting. It appeals to your paranoia!

Oh now I am paranoid! lol

It might be fair to say at this point that no legitimate business would dare to join your traffic exchanges. Why woud they? I have joined some of those things in the past and there was only one that I liked and it vanished. One day it was there, next day gone - I never knew why. I probably still have a membership with some of them from early years but I stopped participating cause we had dialup and it was painful surfing! Also, I never got anything from any of them so I found better things to do.

And make that Scratchy Cat, my claws are long but I don't want to start any cat fights with you. Just here to find out what scams are running and how to expose them, along with report them to authorities.

Yes, I have a beef with Kathleen Vanbeekom and her bully friends as they have bullied me for about 5 years now. I am a legend in Adlandpro/Scamlandpro they have many threads honoring me.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

Yeah sure! Let me just hand over my list of members!

Well, it was worth a try!! LOL

Originally Posted by scratchycat

Oh now I am paranoid! lol

It might be fair to say at this point that no legitimate business would dare to join your traffic exchanges. Why woud they? I have joined some of those things in the past and there was only one that I liked and it vanished. One day it was there, next day gone - I never knew why. I probably still have a membership with some of them from early years but I stopped participating cause we had dialup and it was painful surfing! Also, I never got anything from any of them so I found better things to do.

And make that Scratchy Cat, my claws are long but I don't want to start any cat fights with you. Just here to find out what scams are running and how to expose them, along with report them to authorities.

Yes, I have a beef with Kathleen Vanbeekom and her bully friends as they have bullied me for about 5 years now. I am a legend in Adlandpro/Scamlandpro they have many threads honoring me.

What is your definition of a legitimate business? If you are referring to an online business opportunity that obeys all laws and polices, people promote legitimate business on traffic exchanges all the time.

Here is a thought... you know of a legitimate online business opportunity? Add it to a traffic exchange. Try making the world a better place from the inside out by showing people legitimate online opportunities exist.

I don't like seeing ads on tv for sex toys, penis pumps, and penis enhancement cocktails, but I don't have to buy them, and me calling up the station isn't going to get them off the air. It is something I have to live with as I watch the good stuff between the commercials, or of course I can always change the channel. Although I do not think such things should be advertised on tv, the fact is, there is no law that prevents them from being shown. At the same time, most of the commercials on tv I have no interest in, even one's that disgust me as pure propaganda like from BP telling me what a wonderful caring company they are. I know the BP ad is BS, but there is nothing I can do about getting them to tell the truth!

I guess I should just get rid of the tv... then I won't have to see any ads I don't like. I think the only way I can avoid seeing sites being promoted that I do not like is to just completely quit internet marketing.

5 years? Hold grudge much? The simplest way to end a war is for one side to make the decision to stop. The one who stops first, and leaves it alone, more often than not becomes the one that is the most respected.

Not targeting you specifically, but I think it is also important to not so loosely define a "scam." One of my own sites has been labeled here as a scam simply because the name is similar to the name of a site once or still owned by someone I never heard of. If my site is being labeled a scam on that basis, I have to wonder what sites are getting reported to authorities with no merit. That is the main reason I chimed in. I find that to be blatantly irresponsible.

FYI, from my own past experience, reports of sites to allegedly be an illegal or scam site go to the back of the line, are given no priority, often even placed in the round file. Priority is only assigned when a report from a victim arises. Once there is a victim, then there is a real crime. This is the reason JBP still exists. There are no victims, yet. They call it indefinitely sustainable, but in reality all they have done is create a system that greatly stretches out the life of the program before it dies. I will go on record to say that JBP will eventually die but I believe it will go down in history as the longest running online HYIP.

Authorities do not step in until there is a victim, and the authorities do not waste their time if it is report of $10 or $20 lost, not even $100. They don't give any priority until reports of losses reach around $5000 - $10,000. Reporting of sites to authorities based on their appearance essentially falls on deaf ears. If you are not a victim, they might take your statement as a formality, but if you are not a victim they usually will not even file a statement from you.

So, what you left with? Educating people. That is all you can do unless you are a victim. That is something I learned from my iSAAF experience, and that is where I concentrated my efforts. All the while, know the facts about a site before hastily jumping the gun and killing any credibility you may have. And be prepared to pay potential consequences. Even I was 100% right about one particular site, but it changed my life for the worse, losing a career and a family. That was when I gave up the battle I waged against windmills.

What is worse, is watching people being drawn into the light like a moth at night. You can swat that moth all you want and it will still keep trying to go to the light. Just the same, people sucked into a major HYIP like JBP, try convincing a vested member that they should not have their money there is useless. Mann is a psychology major. He is a pro at persuasion and brainwashing. You just can't wake up a JBP member. May as well break your head open against a brick wall.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

...top in the financial predator food chain??? You are not looking high enough!

With your logic, you may as well demonize pot smokers in the US and blame them for the brutal mass killings by the drug czars in Mexico!

PaulCoonan = master of the strawman argument.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

Now, now Judy....Is that any way to treat our guest??.....
Paul admits to running a scam exchange and he seems most keen to join the list....
So please add PaulCoonan to the list at once....

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Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Originally Posted by PaulCoonan

My sites do not meet your criteria. My members promote all the same stuff you despise. But overall, my sites, as well as traffic exchanges, are a good place for any legitimate business to advertise. It is not like legitimate businesses get hidden behind illegitimate ones. If you choose to not advertise at a site that may also contain sites you do not like, you cut your resources down to zero. Good luck getting your sites seen, because you will have a difficult time finding a resource where all the other sites are all one you like!

Originally Posted by littleroundman

We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.

I do