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    Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Here is an expirement using Howard Johnson's Magnetically driven motor patent (of which there are 3 different patents) granted in 1979.



    What is your opinion on this expirement and has anyone attempted to replicate it? I've seen more functional expirements like this one that does actually produce a working Howard Johnson Motor.

    My expertise is primarily in the field of Electronics, and in my field it is easy to design a amplifier circuit or digital circuit that is unstable and can oscillate, usually this is undesirable, but sometimes is intentional.

    Is it possible to design a Machanically Magnetic system that can self oscillate. This system is pure mechanical and magnetic in nature.

    Any feedback or questions on this matter is greatly appreciated, thanks...

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Here is yet another expirement



    The Howard Johnson motor seems to simply be a magnetic motor that is out of balance and forced to oscillate on its own.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    A Howard Johnson Motor Kit assembled:


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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    It appears that although the man and the theory are real, the videos are all fakes. Poor old HoJo has become synonymous with a 'free energy' scam.

    "As of April, 2012, we do not know of anyone who has successfully replicated one of these motors, though many have tried, and many are presently making an attempt. If you are interested in pursuing this task, we invite you to join the HJ_Motor discussion list for that purpose."
    Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor - with links to plans and other resources.

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    I found the fact they couldn't name who allegedly had the patents that prevented this 'amazing technology' from getting to the public rather dubious. And design patents expire after 20 years so, by their own admission, it's free game now. Anyone CAN produce and sell these if they want.
    Not only that, seems all they have to hang their hat on is that someone got patents. Patents can be obtained for anything as long as the claims in the application are true. That doesn't mean the item is at all viable.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    It appears that although the man and the theory are real, the videos are all fakes. Poor old HoJo has become synonymous with a 'free energy' scam.


    Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor - with links to plans and other resources.

    Hank Mills of the Pure Energy Systems News has penned this letter to the scammers - Letter to Hojo (Howard Johnson) Motor Plan Scammers
    It is not really free energy. According to the patent documents, these permanent magnets loose about 2% of their magnetism every 18 years. Putting the Magnetic driven motor right up their with nuclear batteries. after about 100 years there should be about a 10% loss in magnetism. So eventually one would have to re-magnetize the magnets again at some point in the future. Thus making this really some sort of magnetic driven battery that is comparable to the same kind of nuclear batteries that NASA uses for deep space exploration probes. Except this isn't using radiactive materials, but instead magnetized materials.

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    Yes, I understand the principles but its yet to be proven to be achievable.

    Most of the worlds Neodymium reserves are in China, which gives them a massive monopoly on the essential product (rare earth magnets) for a successfully built motor. I did read somewhere recently that they were (or were thinking of?) forcing prices up, but also that Japan has discovered deposits which may alleviate that monopoly within the next decade.

    Its a bit like solar panels were (and still are to an extent) - the total cost to manufacture (including all supply lines) can outweigh the benefits. Solar's issue was a short useful life span (15 or so years), but that is no longer the case due to technological advances so they became more viable as an urban power source.
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    There are a few of problems with solar cells:

    1) The sun only shines half of the time, at night the solar cells are worthless.

    2) One could charge up a battery during the day with the solar cells and at night live off of the batteries, but for it to be practical and useful most of these batteries would have to be as big as the house, thus costing millions of dollars. And thus costing more than most houses.

    3) Solar cells usually don't last long enough to justify their costs. So it is still cheaper and more practicle to use fossil fuels to produce energy than solar cells.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    In an electric driven motor there is only one stator and one rotor, with usually the rotor changing polarities at precise positions in the turn causing both pull and push conditions between the Stator and the Rotor.

    The same could be accomplished with Stator and rotor if one could get the Stator to swap polarities as well.

    With that said, I think if one could figure out a way of making the Stator rotate its magnetic fields and while the Rotor staid permanent, and both were properly synchronized, and one used multiple groups of these Stators and Rotors like in a 8 cylinder 4 stroke combustion engine. One could possibly get a motor to run only off of permanent magnets and not electrically driven magnets. As long as there were more pushes and pulls and fewer drags on each Rotor/Stator combination.

    In the Howard Johnson Motor he has seemed to have found out a way of doing this with only stationary magnets placed at strategic positions with respect to each other. Thus sort of accomplishing the same thing.

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    As Whip said, patent expired a long time ago. If nobody can replicate his model from patent than it never worked. I also do not get practicality of magnetised engines except for far space missions or some military missions. They are certainly unpractical for civil use.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    Patents can be obtained for anything as long as the claims in the application are true. That doesn't mean the item is at all viable.


    Motorized ice cream cone (1999)

    Patent #US 5971829 A

    Abstract
    A novelty amusement eating receptacle for supporting, rotating and sculpting a portion of ice cream or similarly malleable food while it is being consumed comprising: a hand-held housing, a cup rotatably supported by the hand-held housing and adapted to receive and contain a portion of ice cream or food product of similar consistency, and a drive mechanism in the hand-held housing for imparting rotation upon the cup and rotationally feeding its contents against a person's outstretched tongue.

    Patent US5971829 - Motorized ice cream cone - Google Patents

    Maybe it's just me, but, the idea that someone holding a patent somehow means something just doesn't seem so important when Motorized Ice Cream cones can be patented.
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    Here is another magnetic motor example...

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    Another simplistic expirement that leads to a more profound version of the Permanent Magnetic motor.

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    Here is an example of a V-Gate Magnetic Motor.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus



    This is a V-Gate Magnetic Motor

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    This Magnetic Motor can run as fast as 900rmp's.

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    Demonstration of yet another Magnetic linear motor.

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    Another Demonstration of the Same magnetic linear motor. try to prove this is a fake... or doubt the seriousness of these peoples credentials...

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Just to be clear here Ed. You believe in and support an alternative engery source technology that has little to no scientific support.
    The only evidence that you have that it works is from youtube videos. All the websites I found are basically blog posts that once again try to divert you or sell you the plans.

    The US military and several other countries would not be held to US patents but even they do not construct or use this motor.

    Yet for some reason you won't support tried and true tested technology of solar energy and Wind power?


    However, all that being said. Here are the plans for your motor. Feel free to construct one and try it yourself.
    Magnetic Motor Instructions

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    Just to be clear here Ed. You believe in and support an alternative engery source technology that has little to no scientific support.
    The only evidence that you have that it works is from youtube videos. All the websites I found are basically blog posts that once again try to divert you or sell you the plans.

    The US military and several other countries would not be held to US patents but even they do not construct or use this motor.

    Yet for some reason you won't support tried and true tested technology of solar energy and Wind power?


    However, all that being said. Here are the plans for your motor. Feel free to construct one and try it yourself.
    Magnetic Motor Instructions
    Spector567, hope you stick around and do some scam busting.

    I think someone over on Scam called Poe's Law on Edmund and that is about as spot on as anything I can come up with. I am no scientist, but from what I have read on these motors the big flaw comes when you try to use them to divert the energy to actually power something. At that point the motor expends more energy than it creates, hence no free lunch.

    The irony I find with Edmund is that he is very big oil and coal, yet heavily discounts the possibility that those organizations would be the very ones to buy up this technology if it existed and put it on a shelf. He without realizing it proves the point here with an example from the medical community. Type 2 Diabetes is now curable and has been since the 1950's Which is one obvious "flaw" in the free market. Yet if I read him correctly he would blame environmental nazi fascist socialist commies and big gubment for keeping the magnetic motor from hitting the market. At the same time, he appears to claim the exact opposite from the medical community that would be displayed by big energy.

    From my vantage point, the dichotomy in his viewpoints calls in to question what his intent really is.
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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    I actually claimed that Ed was a poe once before. However, after some investigation I basically determined that he wasn't.

    I was able to search up his name as well other sites he has visited. I ran accross several other sources, youtube comments, a short lived blog that he owns. That and the origenal scam post was over 1000 posts long and didn't have as much cut and paste.

    As you said there is a dichotomy to his view points but they are very consistent. Blame big goverment and big business can do no wrong.

    I'm pretty sure he knows his views are inconsistent but the reality is he is not out to tell the truth. He is out to push a view point.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    I have no beef with alternative sources of energy as long as it is economically viable and reduces damage to the environment (Like how fossile fuels do protect the environment by diverting away from killing plants and animals to only killing barrels of crude oil). However I don't believe in trashing conventional and working sources of energy with lies and propaganda who's only intention is to tax and regulate it out of existence and sending everyone back to the stone age where the average life expectancy was only 12 years of age.

    Dr. Howard Johnson has over 18 different patents, with 3 concerning the Linear Magnetic Motor. Every single one of his patents work and are still being used today. All I'm doing on this blog is reviewing others who have cleverly attempted to copy Howard Johnson's ideas.

    The Magnetic Linear motor takes advantage of mostly the repulsive nature of common polarity polling magnets, not the attraction between opposing poles. The biggest mistake people make from these motors is that they are perpetual in nature, when they are not. Magnetism is not a permanent state, degaussing of magnetic materials is commonly known, especially when they are getting pounced on by other magnetic fields, but is very slow in nature to degauss. Literally taking many years and decades before a perceptible amount of degaussing can be noticed. In a nuclear fusion reaction it gets its power from the repulsive forces of two protons being forced together with such force as to make stick what should otherwise repulse. Thus magnetic linear motors are attempting the same thing that nuclear fusion reactions are doing, but at the atomic level and not the sub-atomic level.

    In a 4 stroke combustion engine only one stroke produces energy and power. The other 3 drag on that power. I'm amazed how anyone could of ever gotten any 4 stroke combustion engine to ever work. However if the timing is spot on and you have enough cylinders (like 4, 6, 8 or more) one can easily achieve continuous series of combustions as long as fuel and oxygen is supplied. However, if the timing is even off by a split hair, the hole thing comes crashing down and stops working.

    The same holds true with DC Magnetic motors. There normally is only one cylinder with one Rotor and one stator. Where by the rotor flips between attracting against fixed magnets and opposing fixed magnets as precisely the correct time. In a Linear Magnetic motor the same thing is being done, but without the flow of current; only using fixed magnets that have cleverly been made to either flip the stator or rotor at the right time or having more pushes and pulls than drags on the spin.

    The people that failed at making a Magnetic Linear motor never take the precise timing seriously enough, and thus end up with a flop. Only when the timing and correct positioning of the magnetic fields is achieved does the Magnetic Linear unity gain motor work.

    These videos are not faked, because none of these people are magicians or professional CGI specialists.

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    There is a growing wide scientific support for this, especially in Europe. There is already a 37,000 KW Magnetic Linear over unity gain motor in Germany right now fulling working and generating electricity. It is about the size of a family van and weighs thousands of tons; and is completely powered by magnets and nothing else. There are videos online that show this generator in operation right now. It is being used to power a multi-story building in Germany.

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    Re: Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

    In one of the last videos it looks like they are using 5 Howard Johnson like linear motors in parallel to achieve smooth clean high RPM's.

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