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    REAL
    a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
    b. True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
    SCAM
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    This is great! An organization that will stop fraud!
    FRAUD
    1. deliberate deception, trickery, or cheating intended to gain an advantage
    2. an act or instance of such deception
    3. something false or spurious: his explanation was a fraud
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    Fantastic! Nothing better than putting scammers on the run!
    PROOF OF FRAUD
    It is the claimant who has the burden of proof — the person who asserts that certain business practices are fraudulent is the person who should be presenting the primary evidence and arguments backed by documented facts in support of what they allege, not just hearsay. If they do not, then there is no rational reason to believe them. Saying something is fraud with no actual documentation or supporting facts is considered libel.
    Oh oh! Libel is not a good thing is it?
    LIBEL
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    I thought it was finding REAL Scams?
    RealScam.com portrays itself as a site where you can help bust up scams. The question is by what means? If what they are doing is illegal then what does that make them?
    None of their accusations are followed up with supporting documentation, there are no supporting links to visit for proof nor are there any posts on any of these threads that counter any allegations.
    Are these countering posts deleted?
    They have several members who in fact hide behind User Names and from what I can tell never divulge their real name. Why?
    If they are purporting something regarding a scam involving real names of individuals or programs why do they not show their courage of their convictions and post as a real person?
    I have gone through most of their posts and I have not yet found one instance where they have successfully proven or shut down anything based on any actual evidence.
    This entire site appears to be is a group of individuals that are unhappy with their lot in life and find it necessary to attack others. There are posts regarding the integrity of an individual and his family’s health, there are personal attacks on individuals who are not selling anything and plain old fashioned name calling that comes across as pure hatred based on nothing more than speculation.
    They want to prosecute, judge and sentence any individual that crosses them, not on facts but rather based on the concept either you agree with us or you are an enemy. I am not sure what you would call that but I believe the world went to war trying to stop that kind of mentality.

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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    RealScam.com portrays itself as a site where you can help bust up scams. The question is by what means? If what they are doing is illegal then what does that make them?
    None of their accusations are followed up with supporting documentation, there are no supporting links to visit for proof nor are there any posts on any of these threads that counter any allegations.
    Are these countering posts deleted?
    I happen to be degreed in secondary and higher education. I see you, my pet, are in need of a remedial reading class. Reading for content above that suitable for the primary grades is obviously not your strong suit.

    Explain exactly what is being done on RS that is illegal. Posts here are rarely removed. The admins will remove content in accordance with the rules and at their discretion, but never simply because it contains a dissenting opinion. I see you didn't notice the thousands of pages of court documents and public record that I have personally posted? I take it you are planning on generating thousands more???

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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    If they are purporting something regarding a scam involving real names of individuals or programs why do they not show their courage of their convictions and post as a real person?
    That of course explains why you are not using your real name. The name of the poster is actually immaterial. The veracity of the postings is the issue and you haven't provided on single instance of any false statement of fact and refuted it with the documentation you have been braying about. Let's have it Einstein!

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    Gee,

    how flattering.

    One wonders, though, where all these official sounding definitions originate.

    I particularly like the one about "burden of proof"

    Sounds like exactly the sort of definition which led to the introduction of anti S.L.A.P.P. legislation to me.

    I always find it interesting that people like "littleroundsoapboxmom" go to all the trouble of shooting the messenger, exposing (or attempting to expose) posters' real names and/or details, putting up free websites, derailing and distracting discussions and attempting to intimidate posters, yet never, ever address the core issue/s.

    All I can think is that such people are part of that sub strata of society where "greed is good" rules and principles such as "love thy neighbour" "integrity" and "truth" belong to a bygone era.

    What was that thing the nuns used to advise when faced with a dilemma of conscience ??

    Ah yes,

    "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO"

    One wonders if the "Restored Church of God" has chapters on how "rationalize and justify your way to redemption" in whichever version of the Bible it uses.

    I'll just bet its' version has a drastically altered Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
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    I happen to be degreed in secondary and higher education. I see you, my pet, are in need of a remedial reading class. Reading for content above that suitable for the primary grades is obviously not your strong suit.

    Explain exactly what is being done on RS that is illegal. Posts here are rarely removed. The admins will remove content in accordance with the rules and at their discretion, but never simply because it contains a dissenting opinion. I see you didn't notice the thousands of pages of court documents and public record that I have personally posted? I take it you are planning on generating thousands more???

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    Saying something is fraud with no actual documentation or supporting facts is considered libel.
    REALLY ??

    That simple, eh ??

    Whatever happened to "some truths are self evident"

    The whole spiel reminds me of the type of false logic in which the notorious serial pest, EddieBoy aka Uncle Festa aka Eddie Campbell would indulge.

    Mind you, as annoying as he can be, I don't think even he would try and use religion to further his cause.

    Take the line:

    nor are there any posts on any of these threads that counter any allegations. Are these countering posts deleted?
    Well, hello.

    The forum is known as REALSCAM.com and there's no "countering posts"

    What sort of leap of logic is required to get to "are these countering posts deleted"

    Wouldn't it be far simpler to assume fraudsters are smart enough to stay far, far away ??

    As in: "REALSCAM.com isn't Talkgold or MMG or some half assed pseudo anti scam forum which encourages "debate" because it's good for business"
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    Good Grief, it makes you wonder what was so wrong with the Church of God that it had to be restored! Didn't they like the parts that told you to do as you would be done by? Or was it the "thou shalt not covet thy neighbours goods" that they objected to, or "thou shalt not steal"? Never mind, now it has been restored and greed and theft by fraud is fine and those nasty people at Real Scam who object to this restoration are ..... well ... they are just being beastly and I am going to tell my mom!

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    Our fan club has exploded to a whopping 5 members. Peter Fogel is whining and sadly a victim of this sour economy and the F5 millionaires Club was stupid enough to put her name and picture up. She opined:
    They really should "put up or shut up" There is no documented proof about anything they bash on their site. I agree with this post, if they are going to slander people by name, they should "man up" and show the world who they are. Personally, I do not find cartoons and fake names to be a very credible way of conducting real business online!
    The true tragedy in all this is the desperate, economically disadvantage people who get victimized on Adlandpro. Their lives are challenging enough already. How does Bogdan Fiedur sleep at night???

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    My name is Maurice Bernier and I have been a victim of slanderous accusations by the scam forum who once listed me as being the same person as someone else I'm associated with. According to them, I have cronies who do my bidding which I assume is anyone that associates with me.

    The bottom line is that I run a real legitamate opportunity which pays on a regular basis and I have never and never will scam anybody. Quite the opposite oin fact. In almost every public article or blog I write, I suggest that my readers prtect themselves from scams.

    I'm totally fed up with the crap that nothing more than busy bodies put out online and if this platform will eliminate these freaks and false accusations, I'm in big time!

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    How does Bogdan Fiedur sleep at night???
    Hmmnn,

    nature or nurture, perhaps ???

    Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is described by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), as an Axis II personality disorder characterized by "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]
    Psychopathy (/sˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a mental disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others, and are very disproportionately responsible for violent crime. Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as average individuals by feigning emotions and lying about their past.


    Until the 1980s, the term formally referred to a personality disorder characterized by the inability to form human attachment[3] and an abnormal lack of empathy, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal. The publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders third edition (DSM-III) changed the name of this mental disorder to antisocial personality disorder, and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.[4] However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) to include "Antisocial/Psychopathic Type", with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior.[5] The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder. The 1992 manual included dissocial (antisocial) personality disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities.[6]
    Despite being currently unused in diagnostic manuals, psychopathy and related terms such as psychopath are still widely used by mental health professionals and laymen alike. In particular, NATO has funded a series of Advanced Study Institutes on psychopathy, both before and after the publication of DSM-III. Researcher Robert Hare has been a particular champion of the term; his Hare Psychopathy Checklist is the standard tool for differentiating between those with antisocial personality disorder and the subset who are psychopaths. According to this scale the prevalence of antisocial personality disorder is two to three times that of psychopathy.[7]
    According to a chapter about treatment in Christopher J. Patrick's Handbook of Psychopathy, there is little evidence of a cure or any effective treatment for psychopathy; no medications can instill empathy, and psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy might become more adept at manipulating others and more likely to commit crime.[8] Others suggest that psychopaths may benefit as much as others from therapy, at least in terms of effect on behavior even if not on the central personality traits.[9] According to Hare, the consensus among researchers in this area is that psychopathy stems from a specific neurological disorder which is present from birth,[10] although a 2008 review indicated multiple causes and variation between individuals.[11] Hare estimates that about one percent of the US population are psychopaths.[12]
    Despite the similarity of the names, psychopaths are rarely psychotic.[9]
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    Well, well, well... A true fanclub for RealScam!!! 5 members already!!! OMG!!

    Thank you SBM for bringing this to our attention. Why is it that these things seem to originate in Canada?? It just seems to me these people admire us so much they want to help us out with more advertising. I believe though there must be a special place for folks who use religion and churches (?) to victimize others. I am too busy to join right now but when I saw that pfogel, that was enough for me. I will not go near any place that person is if I can avoid it. If you have not had the pleasure of dealing with him before, well you know...

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    I find this thread hilarious. It is the first time that I have ever seen it. the person who is noticeable by his absence is "Sir Roger" Let us hope for Sir Roger's sake that he has not joined you because he has a job or he is in the self employed JOB league "Just Over Broke." like most of "We British."

    Don't dole out too much "dosh" to British citizens make any millionaires unless they register for VAT Maurice, HMCustoms and Excise may have something to say about that.

    You threatened to sue me about a year ago. I have not received a letter from your lawyer yet! Perhaps it did arrive and I accidentally smoked it.

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    Jake Simmons12:01 PM on November 30, 2011
    I enjoyed this article. I am currently a UCLA law student doing research in advertising media ethics and came across this post and went to the related site. If an advertiser makes a claims that regarding their product, the proof of the claim falls on the advertiser, it has never been the legal responsibility of the medium publisher to verify or ensure the legitimacy of it. It does not matter if it's by print, the internet, television or radio. The medium is placing the content and placing it within their publication are under no moral or legal respsibility to verify the claim. What the Real Scam is engaging in is libel and defamation and could be a candidiate for a lawsuit. The easiest way to do this is to put together the people they slander with out proof and pool together the costs of suing these very deranged individuals. This of course would apply to all that made the posts up to and including the website owner if in fact the owner of this site is actively engaging in or has approved these posts.
    I don't believe for one second this clown is a law student.

    The Harvard Law site states:
    ...if you have web forums, allow reader comments, host guest bloggers on your site, or if you repost information that you receive from RSS feeds, section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (“CDA 230”) will likely shield you from liability for certain kinds of problematic statements made by your users, guests and other third-parties on your site. This important federal law protects you from tort liability for statements contained in these materials – and any other user-submitted content – you publish on your site. You will not lose this immunity even if you moderate or edit this content, whether for accuracy or civility, so long as your edits do not substantially alter the meaning of the original statements. Keep in mind that CDA 230 will only protect you if a third-party – not you or your employee or someone acting under your direction – posts something on your blog or website. It does not shield you from liability for your own statements.
    The anonymous website owner does not post or approve any statements and is not liable for what third parties post. The individuals making the statements are responsible, but you Mr. Law Student Extraordinaire have yet to quote and refute a single false statement of fact. Hyperbole and opinion are not generally actionable. So, clowny let's have those statements cited. How about the case law and statutes that you are basing your argument on outlined for us as well. While you are at it you might want to ask one of your professors (or in your case perhaps the nearest bartender) to fill you in on jurisdiction. You do know the posters on this site are for the most part anonymous and live all over the world, don't you????

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    Good Grief, it makes you wonder what was so wrong with the Church of God that it had to be restored! Didn't they like the parts that told you to do as you would be done by? Or was it the "thou shalt not covet thy neighbours goods" that they objected to, or "thou shalt not steal"? Never mind, now it has been restored and greed and theft by fraud is fine and those nasty people at Real Scam who object to this restoration are ..... well ... they are just being beastly and I am going to tell my mom!
    There is some interesting reading about The reformed Church of God, as well as David Pack, its President/Pastor/Apostle/whatever. Here are a couple of more interesting articles, but if you do a Google you'll find bunches more: David C. Pack Declares Himself an Apostle
    Restored Church of God says blogging is wrong (excluding their own blog, natch) - Boing Boing
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Bogdan or his supporters site there literally stole the name. The logo says:
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    But the actual url is:
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    Me thinks that may get that site in some doo-doo for pirating that name.

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    It probably violates their TOS as well, especially with Bernier pushing his F5 Millionaire crap, but why would I complain about free advertising for our site??? Those clowns can't even afford to pay the hosting fees to set up a site???


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    Problem is , as I see SMB has just posted, the domain name realtruth.org belongs to The Restored Church of God in Ohio but Boggie's blog is realtruthorg/webs.com. He seems to have "borrowed" their domain for use as his header for the blog.

    Whatever their merits or demerits, I wonder how the "Restored" will feel about their domain name being used by a blog owned by a ponzi apologist? What were those warnings you posted, Boggie, about breaking laws?


    And as for our "law student from UCLA" - Jake, honey, you don't get to write slander, it's spoken, or haven't you gotten to that part of the course yet? If he is interested in advertising media ethics, there is a wealth of case law on deceptive advertising practices that he should bone up on. lol

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    LORM, I agree. This is just so mind-boggling for me. Confused is more the term. Why not just drop the whole thing???

    Okay, whatever, I am out of here for the night. God bless us all and may I say, no I won't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Confused is more the term. Why not just drop the whole thing???
    That's the thing, he can't "just drop it"

    He still has a number of members who think Adland is legit.

    They fully expect him to defend his and their honour, as the owner of a legit forum would be expected and entitled to do.

    Which leaves him in a bind.

    Does he hold his hands up and surrender, in which case he loses what genuine members he has left, or, does he cough up, confess and go into full Talkgold mode ?

    Rock and hardplace.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    That's the thing, he can't "just drop it"

    He still has a number of members who think Adland is legit.

    They fully expect him to defend his and their honour, as the owner of a legit forum would be expected and entitled to do.

    Which leaves him in a bind.

    Does he hold his hands up and surrender, in which case he loses what genuine members he has left, or, does he cough up, confess and go into full Talkgold mode ?

    Rock and hardplace.
    BINGO!!! He has identified a corner and has suitably backed himself into it as is evident by his statement,
    I was waiting a year to start talking about it but this had to be done and now there is no return.
    It is probably pretty well summed up by this little poem:
    Be careful of the words you say.
    Keep them soft and sweet,
    Because you never know, from day to day,
    Which ones you'll have to eat.
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    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    We have one more (#6) fan club member! Jim Allen, III. Isn't he a peach? They have yet to update the site or substantiate a single accusation made. Bogdan obviously isn't getting much of this:



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    I see Wallace put up a post at the "realtruth" site. Wonder how long it'll last:
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    Jake Simmons says...
    I enjoyed this article. I am currently a UCLA law student doing research in advertising media ethics and came across this post and went to the related site. If an advertiser makes a claims that regarding their product, the proof of the claim falls on the advertiser, it has never been the legal responsibility of the medium publisher to verify or ensure the legitimacy of it. It does not matter if it's by print, the internet, television or radio. The medium is placing the content and placing it within their publication are under no moral or legal respsibility to verify the claim. What the Real Scam is engaging in is libel and defamation and could be a candidiate for a lawsuit. The easiest way to do this is to put together the people they slander with out proof and pool together the costs of suing these very deranged individuals. This of course would apply to all that made the posts up to and including the website owner if in fact the owner of this site is actively engaging in or has approved these posts.


    An interesting argument, but flawed. You are viewing Realscam as an entity, or organization, which it is not. It is a forum, where people can voice their opinions and observations. As has been stated many times, the owner is anonymous and does not actively participate. The opinions are those of the individual posters only. Your assertion that Realscam is engaging in anything is ludicrous.
    This Jake Simmons law student should probably hope his professors don't read his drivel.
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    We have one more (#6) fan club member! Jim Allen, III. Isn't he a peach? They have yet to update the site or substantiate a single accusation made. Bogdan obviously isn't getting much of this:



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    He could have developed a terminal illness like Felicia.

    Dave Cotterill developed one that was not cancer. I even wondered if it was true because his mates were not asking for money.

    Wouldn't it be nice to find an Ex Adlander to help RS and EA. Does anybody remember Heidrun Peters? I believed her story and I invited her to come and stay with me. I had a stroke and I lost contact but I heard from her again then I lost touch again. Heidrun was fluent in Russian and so many other languages that she would be able to read Adlandpro in Polish.

    She would be a tremendous asset, if we could locate her. She was very friendly with an Adlander who was known as Norman Smith whom I thought was bona fide but he has another Adland name now. WHY DID NORMAN SMITH change his name?

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    Not a recruiting scheme, right Bernier??? Bernier's name is on that egregious letter. He will be getting plenty of publicity! The hideous threats against consumer advocates and legitimate websites have a nasty habit of backfiring. Tim Darnell and Jack Weinzierl are especially enjoying their names on the Harvard Law site.


    "The court initially granted Darnell a temporary restraining order, but in a June 23, 2008 hearing it dissolved the restraining order and denied Darnell's request for a temporary injunction, stating that "prior restraints on speech are presumptively unconstitutional and I have not heard anything that would indicate . . . why the relief requested would take it out of that presumption"
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    Don't you just love it! I join LRM in a heartfelt wish that the Bogmeister SUES.

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    Getting a TRO / temporary is a very expensive piece of cake here in the U.S. The complaining party will be the only one at the emergency restraining order hearing, but another hearing which includes the one under the order must be noticed and scheduled within days. That hearing with Tim Darnell was hilarious. After the long diatribe about how he had received many threats and was being stalked by me, he admitted in front of the judge that he had never seen me before and had had no idea what I looked like. He never produced a shred of evidence because he couldn't. Tim Darnell instantly destroyed his credibility.

    Bogdan would do the same. When any judge actually gets wind about what Bogdan's critics have been writing he will get laughed out of the courtroom and possibly sanctioned. Of course, he will get some really classy legal help by begging for attorneys on his slam site!!!

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