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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    Jake Simmons11:29 AM on December 02, 2011
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    An interesting argument, but flawed. You are viewing Realscam as an entity, or organization, which it is not. It is a forum, where people can voice their opinions and observations. As has been stated many times, the owner is anonymous and does not actively participate. The opinions are those of the individual posters only. Your assertion that Realscam is engaging in anything is ludicrous.
    In a word I would be more than happy to debate this issue with you, you see you must know the laws of the land not state what you interpret them to be. Any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published and
    if the claim made is false and published is communicated to someone other than the person defamed falls under defamation by principle and law. In common law jurisdictions and United States law, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. The law and act states the burden of proof falls on the individual making the claims and the burden of proof is very high. You do have the freedom of speech in most of these jurisdictions; however the laws in most jurisdictions supersede the freedom of speech when it comes to unwarranted harmful or hateful statements. The fact that you state that the owner of Real Scam is not involved tells me you have some type of contact with them to know this and if in fact he/she is not involved would mean that they are just the broadcasting medium and therefore fall under the broadcasters code if they have a legal statement on their site that they do not endorse or support the statements made by members. The FCC which covers the legislation of broadcasters and is careful to not become involved with the broadcasters First Amendment Rights unless they broadcast hate, defamation, slander or libel. There is such a Legal link on the Adlandpro site stating the responsibilities of the members or customers postings but it appears you have chosen to ignore that and make implications which my friend is in fact criminal. Personally I have asked others in my class to look into this as part of our test studies. You and your friends may believe what you are doing is noble and for that you will be protected; however breaking laws under the guise of righteousness is not noble it just in fact criminal. You and your friends are going down a dangerous road, my free advice would be I am sure you believe in your cause and that's fine but use some discretion and be more careful in what you state and about who, otherwise you will find that the one's you are chasing will be well inside their legal rights to be chasing you and if you have no documentation or physical proof to back yourselves up you will lose.
    If the claim made is false --- bingo. That is a false statement of fact. Opinion and hyperbole are not generally actionable. And libel and defamation are almost always a tort (civil). It would, in most jurisdictions, cross into criminal only in a case where there is a threat of harm (likely physical harm) You, Jake, have yet to cite these alleged falsities and refute them with any verifiable facts. You are just blowing smoke, lad. And, again U.S. federal law seems to be escaping you.

    The Harvard Law site states:
    ...if you have web forums, allow reader comments, host guest bloggers on your site, or if you repost information that you receive from RSS feeds, section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (“CDA 230”) will likely shield you from liability for certain kinds of problematic statements made by your users, guests and other third-parties on your site. This important federal law protects you from tort liability for statements contained in these materials – and any other user-submitted content – you publish on your site. You will not lose this immunity even if you moderate or edit this content, whether for accuracy or civility, so long as your edits do not substantially alter the meaning of the original statements. Keep in mind that CDA 230 will only protect you if a third-party – not you or your employee or someone acting under your direction – posts something on your blog or website. It does not shield you from liability for your own statements.


    You, Jake, better be able to substantiate your claims that folks from RS are doing something criminal. And, let's be honest. I could get better advice from the nearest bartender!

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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake
    which is communicated or published andif the claim made is false and published
    Are illegal programs advertised on Adland ?

    Does Fiedur accept money for the advertising ??

    Has Fiedur been advised said programs are illegal ??

    Has Fiedur taken steps to ensure the programs he advertises are NOT illegal ??

    Has Fiedur consulted an attorney and/or the relevant authorities with regard to whether or not what he is doing is legal ???

    Does the phrase "knew or ought to have known" apply to Fiedur ??
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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    Jake Simmons12:01 PM on November 30, 2011
    I enjoyed this article. I am currently a UCLA law student doing research in advertising media ethics and came across this post and went to the related site. If an advertiser makes a claims that regarding their product, the proof of the claim falls on the advertiser, it has never been the legal responsibility of the medium publisher to verify or ensure the legitimacy of it. It does not matter if it's by print, the internet, television or radio. The medium is placing the content and placing it within their publication are under no moral or legal respsibility to verify the claim.


    Broadcast Advertising Complaints | FCC.gov

    Broadcast Advertising Complaints

    Background

    Consumers often complain to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) about broadcast advertising: they complain about the nature of the products being advertised, the timing of certain ads (for example, during mealtime) or commercials that they believe are indecent or in poor taste. Other consumers complain about ads that they feel are poorly produced or grammatically incorrect. The FCC also receives complaints regarding false and misleading advertisements.
    Are There Any Laws That Limit the Material That Stations Can Broadcast?

    There are laws passed by Congress that restrict a station from broadcasting material that promotes certain lotteries, advertises cigarettes, little cigars or smokeless tobacco products, or perpetuates a fraud. Additionally, there are federal laws that prohibit or limit obscene, indecent or profane language. Also, some advertisements may violate laws that have been established by other government agencies, such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

    Obscene broadcasts are prohibited at all times, while indecent or profane broadcasts are prohibited during certain hours. Violators are subject to sanctions that include civil penalties, criminal fines, license revocation and/or imprisonment of not more than two years. For more information about the FCC’s authority regarding obscene, indecent, or profane broadcasts, visit the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau website or see our consumer guide.


    Advertising law
    3. General advertising regulation
    The most important regulator for general commercial advertising is the Federal Trade Commission, and its guidelines are extensive, but generally fall into the category of avoiding deception and backing up advertising claims.
    Major areas include:

    • Truth in Advertising -- Advertising laws are aimed at protecting consumers by requiring advertisers to be truthful about their products and to be able to substantiate their claims. All businesses must comply with advertising and marketing laws (From SBA web site)
    • Product labeling -- Claims made on product packaging must comply with some basic truth-in-packaging and labeling rules. These claims include descriptions of ingredients, package size and volume, and discount or lower price labeling. Under the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act (FPLA), the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issue regulations requiring all consumer commodities be labeled to disclose net contents, identity of the product, and the name and place of business of the product's manufacturer, packer or distributor. (From SBA web site)
    • Special product advertising -- Automobiles, computers and internet services, health and fitness products, housing and real estate, telephone services, and environmental or green marketing claims . For alcohol and children's advertising, see below.

    The FTC issues guidelines which help advertisers understand regulations in areas such as price claims, use of the word "free," endorsements, diet plans, food advertising and so on. For example, the FTC says:



        • 6. Advertising ethics
          Most publications and broadcast organizations have codes, standards or guidelines for deciding what will and will not be accepted. The publisher or broadcaster has the responsibility for libel, invasion of privacy or other faults in an advertisement


    Just what standards does Bogdan have, much less enforce. Let me guess anything that lines his pockets $$$$$ goes!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Are illegal programs advertised on Adland ?
    Was that a typo LRM? Did you mean are there any legal programs advertised on Adlandpro. How many legal programs can you spot per 100 ads? If it is bad now, how much worse was it beore Scratcy was invited to mod and remove nudes? I am too scared of Boggie bugs to test it myself.

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    Class:
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    Hometown:
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    High School:
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    Height / Weight:
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    Position:
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    Birthdate:
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    1999 — Redshirted.

    High School — Three-year water polo letterwinner for coach Bryan Linton, two years as a goalkeeper and one year as a utility player … Three-time first-team all-league honoree … As a senior, was a second team All-CIF selection and league MVP … Helped squad to three league championships … Two-time team captain … Played for Inland All-Star and Southern California Men’s Youth teams … Lettered four years in swimming … All-Riverside County selection and two-time all-league swimmer …CIF consolation finalist in the 50, 100 freestyle and 100 backstroke … Helped team to league championship, while a two-year team captain.

    Personal — Full name: John Jacob Simmons … Born May 31, 1981, in Hemet, Calif. … Enjoys listening to music and playing basketball … Sister Coralie Simmons currently plays for UCLA and Guy Baker’s U.S. National Team participating in the 2000 Olympics in Sydney… Greatest athletic thrill thus far was playing in 10-9 quadruple overtime win in the first round of CIF playoffs as a senior … Undecided major.
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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    No one with that name is listed in the UCLA directory. I called the UCLA legal department to confirm if he is in fact a student there. No student can opt out of the directory. He is not listed there under any version of his name. Bogdan has associated himself with another scammer extraordinaire! There is not any Jake / John Jacob Simmons or anything faintly resembling that enrolled there. If this guy was for real he would be proud to be making a name for himself and would be quoting statutes and case law with ease. He is just another one of Bogdan's buffoons.

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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    As our dear departed Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story." So, we have Bogdan Fiedur the threatening, lying goon, provably fake UCLA law students cheering him on, Maurice Bernier pulling his strings and a few other scam promoters singing his praises while every civilized person abandons ship post haste! The rest of the story is quite a sordid saga!

    http://www.realscam.com/f16/julian-w...55/index7.html

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    What sort of person would have the audacity to claim they need to "restore" the Church, I am personally a man with faith, but bogus clowns like this, who use a persons faith to deceive are deplorable....shame on you The Restored fake Church of God? in Ohio.

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    These articles, letters, and transcriptions cover a time span from about 1960 to 2009 and show a progression of events within the organization in regard to deceit, mind manipulation, exploitation, doctrinal distractions and history revision. (This excludes history charts.)
    consolidation, this is some good research done on this church. Interesting post, thanks.
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    Looks like the boat must have sunk in their own lies.

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    WOW, Groupies already! After spouting all this legaleze mumbo-jumbo, they are going to sue, right? Maybe these wannabe lawyers should take a course in Discovery. A lovely word, and it is the one word that makes all these scam operators and promoters run for cover. But Libel and Slander? Please tell me it is true they are going to sue, and not just talk about it.

    They are about as pathetic as Festa and Buster since they don't let facts get in the way of their rants.
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    This saga is a new version of Bob Krimm and his mod squad. Krimm threatened to sue me. I ignored the threats and wrote more "libel" about him.

    Krimm's mods or cronies ganged up and called themselves "Mod Squad." The five or six in the motley crew squad tried to get into the news and win the sympathy vote by taking over NetSurfMonitor. They said the owner had given them permission to tell their story about the injury to Krimm which was being caused by one old woman in UK.

    The owner of NetSurfMonitor Gary something or other flunked out and sold his monitor to David Estes. David would not publish malicious gossip about anybody without evidence, so that fell flat. Krimm's mod squad could not get any support from online journalists so they united and threatned to sue me as a group.

    Where are the Krimm mods now? Wiseowl's picture is being circulated on every underground network. I am pretty sure that Jerry (only talk facts) has shown his nose in here. These fake law students and church members who originated from Adlandpro could easily be ex Krimm members. They are completely effete and doomed to failure like Krimm's Mod Squad. The Tonik ( a Krimm mod) opened a forex training school around the same time as Jill Bachman opened hers. She gave that up pretty quickly so where is The Tonik?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    So, we have Bogdan Fiedur the threatening, lying goon, provably fake UCLA law students cheering him on, Maurice Bernier pulling his strings and a few other scam promoters singing his praises while every civilized person abandons ship post haste! The rest of the story is quite a sordid saga!

    http://www.realscam.com/f16/julian-w...55/index7.html
    Bernier and Bachman are obviously pulling the strings. People who sing Bogdan's praises have probably got money tied up in the idiot Bernier's "Quack Millionaire's Club." or his Khan Academy which awards degrees to poor suckers from third world countries. Bachman also pulls his strings with her LGNProsperity deal. LGN has been featured in Bachman's signature files since she stopped making money from ASD. Fiedur bellyached about her "Mountain of Crap." when he had control of Adland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    Bernier and Bachman are obviously pulling the strings. People who sing Bogdan's praises have probably got money tied up in the idiot Bernier's "Quack Millionaire's Club." or his Khan Academy which awards degrees to poor suckers from third world countries. Bachman also pulls his strings with her LGNProsperity deal. LGN has been featured in Bachman's signature files since she stopped making money from ASD. Fiedur bellyached about her "Mountain of Crap." when he had control of Adland.
    My change of color and size and yes, you are so right on!!

    I realize few care who is in control of the cesspool but maybe we should be. I am attaching an adobe file to this message, look at it closely and compare the archive with the new findings.

    Also, never has Bogdan had anything in his About Me all the years I was active in Adlandpro. Now this appears in signature.

    Bogdan Fiedur and Adlandpro
    Bogdan Fiedur and Adlandpro
    Bogdan Fiedur and Adlandpro
    Bogdan Fiedur and Adlandpro

    That is the testament left to keep the Figurehead up front at present. That is if we did not damage that profile too bad here in RS.

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    Still in doubt, check out who is posting in the Bogdan (figurehead) forum:


    135-The global revolution has started - It will enable resource based economy | View Thread | AdlandPro Community

    Does not take a genius to see who has taken over.

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    Re: Realscam and Its Admins Have a Fan Club!!! We Do Conspire to Expose Scammers!

    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Still in doubt, check out who is posting in the Bogdan (figurehead) forum:


    135-The global revolution has started - It will enable resource based economy | View Thread | AdlandPro Community

    Does not take a genius to see who has taken over.
    Bachman + Bernier = BoggyBoy. or Bachman + Bogdan + Bernier = BoggyBoy.


    Well done RS members who have helped to expose BoggyBoy as a complete farce, a ridiculous partnership or an unholy trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Still in doubt, check out who is posting in the Bogdan (figurehead) forum:


    135-The global revolution has started - It will enable resource based economy | View Thread | AdlandPro Community

    Does not take a genius to see who has taken over.
    Not for nothing but that site just looks so amateur and 8th grader designish.

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    Whip, you might be surprised how many people think it is the greatest show on earth!! However, the members who are active are very few now and all the scammers have taken complete control.

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