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    I can think of a few more names for the fine fellow who put this video together!!!

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    Congressional showdown with televangelists

    By Carol Eisenberg

    April 1, 2008 at 12:53pm
    The aptly-named Creflo Dollar Jr. flies a Lear jet between his million-dollar mansion Atlanta and church services in New York City, where he also keeps a $2.5 million apartment.

    Tampa televangelist Paula White , who has homes in San Antonio, Malibu and New York, bought a Bentley convertible for fellow televangelist Bishop T.D. Jakes for his 50th birthday.

    David and Joyce Meyer spent $23,000 on a marble topped toilet, $30,000 for a conference table and $11,219 for a French clock for the Fenton, Mo. headquarters of their not-for-profit an tax-exempt mission headquarters.

    Such are the earthly rewards of preaching the so-called prosperity gospel, a controversial iteration of Christianity which holds that God rewards the faithful with material, as well as spiritual wealth.

    But now the shepherds themselves are facing a reckoning. Dollar, White and the Meyers are among a half dozen TV evangelists being probed by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, for possible misuse of donor funds and their tax-exempt status as religious organizations. The other targets are faith healer Benny Hinn of Grapevine, Texas; prosperity preacher Kenneth Copeland of Newark, Texas and Bishop Eddie Long of Lithonia, Ga.

    Yesterday was a showdown of sorts – the deadline in the four-month inquiry to voluntarily submit information to Congress. Four of the six ministries indicated they would cooperate, even if they did not hand over the requested material; Dollar and Copeland, however, were defiant in their refusals.

    Through an attorney, Dollar, a former board member of Oral Roberts University, called the inquiry an “unprecedented inquiry into the religious activities of a church.”
    Copeland, also a former Oral Roberts board member, said through a representative that only the IRS had jurisdiction to question his ministry about finances.

    A leader of the prosperity gospel movement, Copeland is close to former GOP presidential contender Mike Huckabee who appeared on his national television show last fall “for six days of frank discussion on the Biblical perspective of character.”

    When Huckabee’s campaign struggled for cash, Copeland invited him to attend a national ministers meeting at his west Texas headquarters in January. The candidate, a Southern Baptist minister, raised $111,000 in contributions and another million dollars in pledges there, according to the Tulsa World. Copeland denied the appearance was a political endorsement, saying that Huckabee’s campaign simply rented a room, and Kenneth Copeland Ministries did not make a contribution.

    Grassley sent a particularly extensive questionnaire to Copeland, requesting credit card records and information on offshore banking accounts; receipts for planes, and information about whether the ministry used its mineral rights to capitalize a for-profit company. ( The Ft. Worth Star Telegram reports that FAA records show Copeland owns three planes and his ministry has several more).

    But it looks as if the Iowa Republican may have to issue subpoenas if he is going to succeed at forcing the church to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.
    A spokeswoman for Grassley said yesterday that the inquiry is a “step-by-step process,” and no decisions have been made about congressional hearings or subpoenas. Grassley has defended the probe, saying he is investigating whether tax-exempt organizations are accountable to their donors, not their religious practice.

    “The allegations involve governing boards that aren’t independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces,” he said when he announced the probe last November. “. . . I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more.”

    Kenneth Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, an accreditation agency for Christian ministries, called the inquiry “a very big deal,” in an interview with the Tampa Tribune. He said he is not aware of a high-ranking lawmaker ever undertaking such an extensive investigation. “I think he’s picking a fight,” Behr said. “He is not just asking them to come in and talk, he is asking them for everything.”.....

    #5. Aaron Weinzierl 05.21.2008
    I’m a monthly contributor to the Copeland Ministries and I think it’s ridiculous that the Senator thinks he can force them to hand over personal records. If they are in compliance according to the IRS - then we don’t need Senators causing media spats and spins.
    We just decided to up our monthly giving! Copeland is true to the gospel and we want to help him get it out!
    And I crack up at people complaining about his owning of planes. Wonder why they don’t complain about the CEOs of regular companies owning planes. Those companies could save money by flying commercially and pass the savings to us as consumers….

    #9. Jerry Weinzierl 04.16.2009
    This is a perfect example of why we have the separation of church and state - if a ministry is following IRS guidelines as the above ministries are then the Senate has no business getting into their books


    #11. Frank Thomas 02.15.2010
    I am a 73 yr. old minister. Ultra conservative in doctrine, progressive in politics and a strong defender of wall of sep. chruch/state.
    These low life TV evangelists, that prey on the gullible sheep, should be taken down. No by our government but by courageous preachers who will shine the lite of truth on their evil heresies.
    Many of these so called “evangelists” are involved in MLM scams and pyramid schemes. Support strong legislation to end the reign of the scammers and fraudsters. Support groups like pyramidschemealert.org and mlm-thetruth.com

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    Now, wasn't it a big surprise to see prosperity preachers and reilgious scammers Aaron and Jerry Weinzierl supporting their scamming colleagues????

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    Re: Prosperity Preachers Straight from Hell $$$$$

    Finally these guys have something amusing to say!



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    I can think of a few more names for the fine fellow who put this video together!!!

    Soapboxmom
    Is this some sort of American humour ???

    Why on earth is that guy dressed in funny clothes with an over-the-top drag queen sharing the stage with him ????

    I've heard about Saturday Night Live, but we don't get the show here in Oz.

    Is that a clip from it ????

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    Hmmm... I thought that was just a typical Sunday morning in Scamland!

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    What a way to get money!!!



    LOL!!!!

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    The prosperity preachers / MLM scammers in the previous video had up Google ads threatening to sue me. Those ads have magically disappeared. Did they hear the booming voice of God saying go forth and sin no more? Did God tell them that He and His Soapboxmom are watching? Are they going to reach out to the victims affected by their activities?

    They were successful in getting another anti-scam site to pull down my expose on their schemes, they won't be so fortunate here. I am fascinated that they are still allowing their names to be on Heather Dobrott aka Soapboxmom a sickening slam site about me. They know who is behind that site and could easily get their names removed, but Jerry and Aaron Weinzierl seem to think that kind of filth is very Godly and Christian, so they are happily sitting back and letting the known scammer use their names in his demented diatribe.

    Much more on these veritable prosperity preachers from hell is coming!

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    Heather, I went to the link you mention above. Pretty sick.
    All I can say is, "What the Hell is wrong with these people!!"

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    Aaron Weinzierl is not only an MLMer and prosperity preacher from hell, but a performing drag queen as well!



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    You should be punished for posting that. I didn't make it past 60 seconds. Seems that Aaron enjoyed that a little too much.
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    I always thought LORD stood for...... Let Oral Roberts Die.

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    The religious scammers theme song...................

    Send me your money.


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    My preacher just completed a series on the 10 commandments and prosperity and is starting another on prosperity...

    I rather enjoy the contemplations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    My preacher just completed a series on the 10 commandments and prosperity and is starting another on prosperity...

    I rather enjoy the contemplations.
    Preaching prosperity gospel not Christian
    By Ryan Lee | The Daily Tar Heel

    The prosperity gospel is a complete departure from the message of love and sacrifice Christians claim to believe. And, most notably, from the teachings of Jesus, whom they claim to follow.

    This so-called “doctrine” is an unfortunate blending of American culture with the teachings of Jesus.

    The false teaching is hypocritical and contrary to the life of the homeless and penniless Jesus as described by the Christian faith. A man who would be completely out of place in much of the American church.

    Many Christians have grown to believe that the “prosperity gospel” is solid theology and that the buying and selling of God’s blessing has biblical credibility.

    However, a cursory glance at the words of Jesus is all that is needed to expose the teaching for what it is: a scam. Jesus’ teachings explicitly spoke to the idea of prosperity by asking, “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole word and forfeits his soul?”

    Christian leaders in poorer countries, unaccustomed to the luxuries Americans enjoy, do not preach prosperity theology.

    If Jesus were alive today, he would probably have some harsh words for the Christian leaders spreading false doctrine, just as he spoke against the religious leaders in his own time.
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    Homeless and penniless Jesus?

    Where do they get that?

    According to the books (not eyewitness accounts but it is all we have) he traveled with an entourage and Judas his trusted was in charge of their monies, paying for things and aquiring them.

    When he talked about feeding the five thousand, the desciples asked if they should head to town for supplies...as if they had the money to go get food for five thousand!

    We've got no record of what he was between 12 and 30...but he shows up and tells folks to follow him and they drop their paying jobs and go...

    The speak of his seamless robe. Now at the time folks either wrapped rectangular cloths around themselves or had some tunic of sorts sewn together, but a seamless robe...that ain't made cheap.

    When he was crucified they fought over his clothes... you think they were collecting memorabilia?? No, he had on better clothes...

    He was traveling and preaching from town to town yes... but homeless and penniless...no indication of that.

    However, a cursory glance at the words of Jesus is all that is needed to expose the teaching for what it is: a scam. Jesus’ teachings explicitly spoke to the idea of prosperity by asking, “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole word and forfeits his soul?”
    Sure...but is anyone indicating someone should forfiet their soul? Too funny what comes out of that bible belt...

    think not of what you will wear or what you will eat....all will be provided for you...

    We do know that this whole evangelical literal non evolutionary bible movement is decidedly a US phenomena... the world has christianity without such notions...

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    Does God Want You To Be Rich?
    By DAVID VAN BIEMA and JEFF CHU Sunday, Sep. 10, 2006


    In three of the Gospels, Jesus warns that each of his disciples may have to "deny himself" and even "take up his Cross." In support of this alarming prediction, he forcefully contrasts the fleeting pleasures of today with the promise of eternity: "For what profit is it to a man," he asks, "if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" It is one of the New Testament's hardest teachings, yet generations of churchgoers have understood that being Christian, on some level, means being ready to sacrifice--money, autonomy or even their lives.

    The movement's renaissance has infuriated a number of prominent pastors, theologians and commentators. Fellow megapastor Rick Warren, whose book The Purpose Driven Life has outsold Osteen's by a ratio of 7 to 1, finds the very basis of Prosperity laughable. "This idea that God wants everybody to be wealthy?", he snorts. "There is a word for that: baloney. It's creating a false idol. You don't measure your self-worth by your net worth. I can show you millions of faithful followers of Christ who live in poverty. Why isn't everyone in the church a millionaire?"

    Prosperity's defenders claim to be able to match their critics chapter and verse.

    As with almost any important religious question, the first response of most Christians (especially Protestants) is to ask how Scripture treats the topic. But Scripture is not definitive when it comes to faith and income. Deuteronomy commands believers to "remember the Lord your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth", and the rest of the Old Testament is dotted with celebrations of God's bestowal of the good life. On at least one occasion--the so-called parable of the talents (a type of coin)--Jesus holds up savvy business practice (investing rather than saving) as a metaphor for spiritual practice. Yet he spent far more time among the poor than the rich, and a majority of scholars quote two of his most direct comments on wealth: the passage in the Sermon on the Mount in which he warns, "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth ... but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven"; and his encounter with the "rich young ruler" who cannot bring himself to part with his money, after which Jesus famously comments, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

    Last March, Ben Witherington, an influential evangelical theologian at Asbury Seminary in Kentucky, thundered that "we need to renounce the false gospel of wealth and health--it is a disease of our American culture; it is not a solution or answer to life's problems."

    Most start out by saying that Osteen and his ilk have it "half right": that God's goodness is biblical, as is the idea that he means us to enjoy the material world. But while Prosperity claims to be celebrating that goodness, the critics see it as treating God as a celestial ATM. "God becomes a means to an end, not the end in himself," says Southwestern Baptist's Phillips. Others are more upset about what it de-emphasizes. "[Prosperity] wants the positive but not the negative," says another Southern Baptist, Alan Branch of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Kansas City, Mo. "Problem is, we live on this side of Eden. We're fallen." That is, Prosperity soft-pedals the consequences of Adam's fall--sin, pain and death--and their New Testament antidote: Jesus' atoning sacrifice and the importance of repentance. And social liberals express a related frustration that preachers like Osteen show little interest in battling the ills of society at large. Perhaps appropriately so, since, as Prosperity scholar Harrison explains, "philosophically, their main way of helping the poor is encouraging people not to be one of them."

    Most unnerving for Osteen's critics is the suspicion that they are fighting not just one idiosyncratic misreading of the gospel but something more daunting: the latest lurch in Protestantism's ongoing descent into full-blown American materialism. After the eclipse of Calvinist Puritanism, whose respect for money was counterbalanced by a horror of worldliness, much of Protestantism quietly adopted the idea that "you don't have to give up the American Dream. You just see it as a sign of God's blessing," says Edith Blumhofer, director of Wheaton College's Center for the Study of American Evangelicals. Indeed, a last-gasp resistance to this embrace of wealth and comfort can be observed in the current evangelical brawl over whether comfortable megachurches (like Osteen's and Warren's) with pumped-up day-care centers and high-tech amenities represent a slide from glorifying an all-powerful God to asking what custom color you would prefer he paint your pews. "The tragedy is that Christianity has become a yes-man for the culture," says Boston University's Prothero.
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    To all the scammers I am a bustin', I dedicate this to you!!!!





    I am a prayin', boys!!!

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    Heather Dobrott still doesn’t get it….. | Heather Dobrott aka Soapboxmom

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    Love the website. I’ve been following SBM and her lies for YEARS and its nice to finally see a website shining a light on all the lies she spreads!
    Hey, did anyone check out the latest video on Jerry Weinzierl’s site? Apparently he actually had a few words for Soapy and her claims that he uses church money to buy lavish items and clothing! Whoops, looks like SBM stepped in it again!
    I believe he only talks about it for like a minute but it starts at about 4:30 into the video.
    http://media.gracesterling.com/videos/113/real-living-part-2


    Funny how Jerry and Aaron Weinzierl got Scam.com to remove all their embarassing and very unchristian posts by having 2 very informative and truthful threads zapped, but they can't seem to get posts concerning them on a sleazy slam site against me removed. Do they approve of online criminal harassment? I don't see any evidence they are doing anything about that hideous slam site. I will be watching to see what action they take. They certainly have gotten involved with some very scary scammers.

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    Kenneth Hagin Ministries - Transformed by the Presence of God

    <H1 class=title>Transformed by the Presence of God





    </H1>By Jerry Weinzierl

    Every one of us desires to improve himself in one area or another. You may desire to be a better parent, a better spouse, a better employee, or just a better Christian.




    As many believers have, you may have confessed scriptures, listened to sermons, read books, attended seminars, or talked to experts on whatever it is you want to change. While all of these approaches have merit, you may have overlooked a key element to godly change: spending time in the presence of God.

    First Samuel 10:6 says, “And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.” The Spirit of God can and will come upon you and change you into a new person.

    By reading and studying God’s Word, you can know about God. But only by spending time in His presence can you get to know God. The difference is made in your approach to hearing the Word of God. Let me explain.

    Romans 12:1–2 says, “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

    If you held a tennis ball in your hand and squeezed it, the shape of the ball would conform to the shape of your hand. But as you released the pressure, the ball would immediately restore back to its original shape. That is how many believers act toward the Word of God: Whenever they read a book, listen to a tape, or hear a sermon, they say, “Amen,” and agree with what is being said and may even agree that they need to make a change in their lives. However, when they leave that meeting or put down that book, the pressure is off, and they go back to life the way it was. No difference is made.

    Now, if you held a ball of Play-Doh in that same hand and squeezed, the ball would take on the shape of your hand. But this time as you released the pressure, you’d find that the ball had been transformed into the shape of your hand, and it would hold that shape. In much the same way, spending time in the presence of the Lord allows the Spirit of God to transform you into a new person. So choose to go beyond seeing what needs to be changed. Become as clay (or Play-Doh) in the hands of the Great Potter.

    If you merely conform to the Word preached, taught, or read, all you are doing is reacting to pressure. This indicates that you need to develop a closer relationship with the Father, because the truth of God’s Word in the hands of someone without an intimate relationship with Him can be a dangerous weapon. If you have knowledge about God without a relationship with Him, it will cause you to mishandle the Word causing damage to yourself and those around you.

    However, if you come to know God and have an intimate relationship with Him by spending time in His Presence, then whenever you hear the Word of God, it will become alive to you and make a lasting impression on you. Then, the Word of God will transform you.
    No doubt, God led Scammer Jerry Weinzierl to go on Google and pay for ads soliciting a lawsuit against me, right??? Pastors threatening to sue folks who share the truth in an effort to protect Christians from being ripped off is Godly to be sure. Rhema / Kenneth Hagin Ministries has all the documents related to this and still has that low-life scum out representing them. Jerry has damaged a lot of people around him and not one thing has been done to help the victims. Onward fake Christian soldiers!

    Folks could give to charities to help those truly in need instead of tithing to Jerry's church. God wants to see his children reach out to one another! God didn't ordain building oversized Chuck E. Cheese's I would imagine!



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    Jerry Weinzierl and all his prosperity preacher friends are definitely on this highway!



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    Congressional showdown with televangelists
    By Carol Eisenberg


    April 1, 2008 at 12:53pm
    The aptly-named Creflo Dollar Jr. flies a Lear jet between his million-dollar mansion Atlanta and church services in New York City, where he also keeps a $2.5 million apartment.

    Tampa televangelist Paula White , who has homes in San Antonio, Malibu and New York, bought a Bentley convertible for fellow televangelist Bishop T.D. Jakes for his 50th birthday.

    David and Joyce Meyer spent $23,000 on a marble topped toilet, $30,000 for a conference table and $11,219 for a French clock for the Fenton, Mo. headquarters of their not-for-profit an tax-exempt mission headquarters.
    Such are the earthly rewards of preaching the so-called prosperity gospel, a controversial iteration of Christianity which holds that God rewards the faithful with material, as well as spiritual wealth.
    But now the shepherds themselves are facing a reckoning. Dollar, White and the Meyers are among a half dozen TV evangelists being probed by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, for possible misuse of donor funds and their tax-exempt status as religious organizations. The other targets are faith healer Benny Hinn of Grapevine, Texas; prosperity preacher Kenneth Copeland of Newark, Texas and Bishop Eddie Long of Lithonia, Ga.
    Yesterday was a showdown of sorts – the deadline in the four-month inquiry to voluntarily submit information to Congress. Four of the six ministries indicated they would cooperate, even if they did not hand over the requested material; Dollar and Copeland, however, were defiant in their refusals.
    Through an attorney, Dollar, a former board member of Oral Roberts University, called the inquiry an “unprecedented inquiry into the religious activities of a church.”
    Copeland, also a former Oral Roberts board member, said through a representative that only the IRS had jurisdiction to question his ministry about finances.
    A leader of the prosperity gospel movement, Copeland is close to former GOP presidential contender Mike Huckabee who appeared on his national television show last fall “for six days of frank discussion on the Biblical perspective of character.”
    When Huckabee’s campaign struggled for cash, Copeland invited him to attend a national ministers meeting at his west Texas headquarters in January. The candidate, a Southern Baptist minister, raised $111,000 in contributions and another million dollars in pledges there, according to the Tulsa World. Copeland denied the appearance was a political endorsement, saying that Huckabee’s campaign simply rented a room, and Kenneth Copeland Ministries did not make a contribution.
    Grassley sent a particularly extensive questionnaire to Copeland, requesting credit card records and information on offshore banking accounts; receipts for planes, and information about whether the ministry used its mineral rights to capitalize a for-profit company. ( The Ft. Worth Star Telegram reports that FAA records show Copeland owns three planes and his ministry has several more).
    But it looks as if the Iowa Republican may have to issue subpoenas if he is going to succeed at forcing the church to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.
    A spokeswoman for Grassley said yesterday that the inquiry is a “step-by-step process,” and no decisions have been made about congressional hearings or subpoenas. Grassley has defended the probe, saying he is investigating whether tax-exempt organizations are accountable to their donors, not their religious practice.
    “The allegations involve governing boards that aren’t independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces,” he said when he announced the probe last November. “. . . I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more.”
    Kenneth Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, an accreditation agency for Christian ministries, called the inquiry “a very big deal,” in an interview with the Tampa Tribune. He said he is not aware of a high-ranking lawmaker ever undertaking such an extensive investigation. “I think he’s picking a fight,” Behr said. “He is not just asking them to come in and talk, he is asking them for everything.”

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    • #1. John Laird 04.01.2008
      Jesus,hear my plea ,take these hypocrites vulgar gains and place them in chains. I don’t know if you have that power or your father “God” but surely “Senator Grassley” and the “Senate Finance Committee” do.
      The only people who received prosperity are those “Bible Pimps” by using Jesus and the big Kahuna “God” as their cohorts to steal from these poor blind sheep. They got these bible thumping fools in a suffocating religious illusion so much so, that if these heathens are sent up the river the government better have the army protect them from themselves because they are so mind controlleded the KOOL AID might come flying off the shelf.
    • #2. Linda Rayborn 04.01.2008
      This article tells us much more about Mike Huckabee, our best hope for the future of the country than it does these tv evangelists. If Mike Huckabee wanted riches and fame, he could certainly have it. He is the most articulate, best motivator, most charismatic figure out there now for conservatives. He could certainly land a big time tv spot and live comfortably much like Gore, basking in the limelight. But Huckabee is running on principles and the sincere desire to make a better country for the future generations. He wants to make a difference and his religious foundation is important only in that it grounds him, making him consistent, strong, calm and collected. Conventional wisdom would have said that Huckabee should have dropped out, like Romney when he realized the odds were not in his favor. But Huckabee was running for the people who supported him and the principles he believed in more than the favor of the GOP elite. THAT is the kind of president we need and deserve!!! As Huckabee often says, “he would rather lose an election than lose the principles that got him into politics in the first place”. May we only hope and PRAY we have another chance to put this man in the White House!!
    • #3. DreamerMS 04.23.2008
      I think that it will be interesting to see how it all turns out, but Copeland is correct in defending his Constitutional rights. The Senator has no right to call for such an investigation on his own whim. That is the other issue here. If he is given that kind of authority, what will be next?
      Here is a good read to get you thinking…
      http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13003
    • #4. Tyler 05.20.2008
      Other Christian leaders have gotten together last week and decided to back Copeland. I think they recognize the effects that the results of this investigations have for the future.
    • #5. Aaron Weinzierl 05.21.2008
      I’m a monthly contributor to the Copeland Ministries and I think it’s ridiculous that the Senator thinks he can force them to hand over personal records. If they are in compliance according to the IRS - then we don’t need Senators causing media spats and spins.
      We just decided to up our monthly giving! Copeland is true to the gospel and we want to help him get it out!
      And I crack up at people complaining about his owning of planes. Wonder why they don’t complain about the CEOs of regular companies owning planes. Those companies could save money by flying commercially and pass the savings to us as consumers….
    • #6. Lovin' Friday 06.06.2008
      I have to agree Aaron. Great comments. If Grassley is given this kind of power, can you imagine what he would do next? I can’t believe that it is even an issue that he asked for such information and expect to receive it. I do not agree with all of Copeland’s teachings, but I do have an interest in my future rights.
    • #7. steve 10.28.2008
      something should be done by the church or congress, something must be done to stop these crooks from taking advantage of silly minded and elderly people
      I know God will in time, nothing changes, Jesus spoke of those who for pretense made long prayers and devower widows houses,
      they are so wicked, Murdock, Hinn are the worst
    • #8. Kristie 11.01.2008
      I suppose you could call me one of those silly minded people who have been taken advantage of. On the other hand you could call me a mother, a college graduate, a christian, and a feminist too! I think I represent a lot of people who can’t simply be put into a category such as silly minded. I consider myself to be a very educated woman, who loves the lord with all her heart. It is only for people like Joyce Meyer that some can connect to religion and Gods love. I think what many people are forgetting is that not only did she spend thousands of dollars on a toilet seat, she also has spend millions around the world reaching out to people in the name of God! I suppose for her success maybe she deserves a gold toilet seat! I understand everyone’s hostility toward these evangelical leaders and I know that there are those who are not truthful in their financial matters. But you know what? If I choose to send my money to someone, it is not because or for that pastor, it is for God. If God is not satisfied with how that person utilizes my tithe then he will judge them in his own way! I assure you fellow blogger, that I am no simple minded person
    • #9. Jerry Weinzierl04.16.2009
      This is a perfect example of why we have the separation of church and state - if a ministry is following IRS guidelines as the above ministries are then the Senate has no business getting into their books
    • #10. Bill Smith 10.12.2009
      Linda Rayborn said about Mike Huckabee in post #2: “He could certainly land a big time tv spot and live comfortably much like Gore, ” This is dated 2008. That is exactally what he did
      with Fox Network.
    • #11. Frank Thomas 02.15.2010
      I am a 73 yr. old minister. Ultra conservative in doctrine, progressive in politics and a strong defender of wall of sep. chruch/state.
      These low life TV evangelists, that prey on the gullible sheep, should be taken down. No by our government but by courageous preachers who will shine the lite of truth on their evil heresies.
      Many of these so called “evangelists” are involved in MLM scams and pyramid schemes. Support strong legislation to end the reign of the scammers and fraudsters. Support groups like pyramidschemealert.org and mlm-thetruth.com

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    Gee, Jerry, then you just must be Satan!

    I am once again going to ask why your name, Jerry Weinzierl, is all over www.heatherdobrott.com. This whole debacle is going to require a lot of damage control and some more hilarious sermons no doubt.

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    Acts 17:30 (New International Version)

    30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

    Luke 13:3 (New International Version)

    3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.


    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much."
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    Jerry Weinzierl apparently skipped over those parts of the bible that don't fit his agenda. Repenting is commanded and that includes paying back those one has defrauded in any way and helping the poor. God is watching and we are waiting!

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