Thread: Dr Liz aka LoveJoy

Forgive me if I am making a new thread, but Dr Liz was a mod in PTV and EFX, and Quicksilver and KB wanted her in on their scam monitor scamming for the HitnRunMasters admin. Dr Liz claimed she couldn't scam the hours that were required of her.

The more we research, the more we come to the conclusion that all roads lead back to Quicksilver and KB. Too bad for them that we have real names, addresses, phone numbers etc. Now, what to do with this information?

Originally Posted by Sascha

Forgive me if I am making a new thread, but Dr Liz was a mod in PTV and EFX, and Quicksilver and KB wanted her in on their scam monitor scamming for the HitnRunMasters admin. Dr Liz claimed she couldn't scam the hours that were required of her.

The more we research, the more we come to the conclusion that all roads lead back to Quicksilver and KB. Too bad for them that we have real names, addresses, phone numbers etc. Now, what to do with this information?

I have not a clue about the people you mention Sascha but send any data to Lynne. If you live in UK or EU, Google Tony Hetherington journalist. He is a British investigative journalist, who knows her very well.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I have not a clue about the people you mention Sascha but send any data to Lynne. If you live in UK or EU, Google Tony Hetherington journalist. He is a British investigative journalist, who knows her very well.

We will do that, thanks very much path2prosperity.

Google 'Dr Liz' aka 'Lovejoy'. You will find interesting information about her on WLD.

'KB' and 'QS' were the two 'top mods' from PTV and EFX. Quicksilver dubbed herself as 'Queen of Chat', and KoalaBear as the 'muscle'. OMG...I'm trying so hard not to laugh when I type that, but that is how they view themselves. Their egos are far bigger than their brains.

We have a picture of 'QS' from Nick's P2P. It is the exact same picture she sent to 'certain' people on Skype - their communication of choice- from when she was the scam 'top' mod from PTV and EFX. 'Vee'...'Mrs Vee' was loved in P2P. She was a sweet, little, innocent female from somewhere in the 'Asian' side of the world. Nick, I believe, told everyone he was going to the Philippians for a business trip and/or to 'adopt' a baby. While on that trip, he would be talking to sweet 'Vee'.

You have had many a 'conversation' with 'The Extortion Buster' from the forums...especially in the WarZone at TG. He is KB from those failed/scam hyips. He is a master at manipulation. He, along with QS, truly believe they are invincible. KB has started a scam monitor with his girlfriend QS, although she tells everyone she 'wears the pants.' Although, I do have to say, you were a thorn in his side as was EagleOne. He/They do so hate to hear anything from you two.

Originally Posted by Sascha

We will do that, thanks very much path2prosperity.

Google 'Dr Liz' aka 'Lovejoy'. You will find interesting information about her on WLD.

'KB' and 'QS' were the two 'top mods' from PTV and EFX. Quicksilver dubbed herself as 'Queen of Chat', and KoalaBear as the 'muscle'. OMG...I'm trying so hard not to laugh when I type that, but that is how they view themselves. Their egos are far bigger than their brains.

We have a picture of 'QS' from Nick's P2P. It is the exact same picture she sent to 'certain' people on Skype - their communication of choice- from when she was the scam 'top' mod from PTV and EFX. 'Vee'...'Mrs Vee' was loved in P2P. She was a sweet, little, innocent female from somewhere in the 'Asian' side of the world. Nick, I believe, told everyone he was going to the Philippians for a business trip and/or to 'adopt' a baby. While on that trip, he would be talking to sweet 'Vee'.

You have had many a 'conversation' with 'The Extortion Buster' from the forums...especially in the WarZone at TG. He is KB from those failed/scam hyips. He is a master at manipulation. He, along with QS, truly believe they are invincible. KB has started a scam monitor with his girlfriend QS, although she tells everyone she 'wears the pants.' Although, I do have to say, you were a thorn in his side as was EagleOne. He/They do so hate to hear anything from you two.

I look forward to hearing from you. Go to Eagle's website and send me an email using our contact us link. I'll send you my other email address for us to communicate. Very interested in what you have on Liz/Lovejoy, and especially Buster.

Originally Posted by Sascha

You have had many a 'conversation' with 'The Extortion Buster' from the forums...especially in the WarZone at TG. Although, I do have to say, you were a thorn in his side as was EagleOne. He/They do so hate to hear anything from you two.

How hilarious. I have forgotten almost everything which I ever said to Buster.

When I started my training for industrial psychometrics, we were taught how to spot the difference between those who were born as naturally good listeners and those who heard what they wanted to hear. Please send me a PM on any forum we have both used. I will give you the e-mail address which only very close associates know. I listen to anybody who has ever used that and I know all the people who have ever tried to spam that one. If anybody can pass on the names of female mods in CEP, I can tell you who that was. I HEAR WHAT I WANT TO HEAR. Wren32G whom I mention in my blog was one of nature's good listners. I have her photo as she wants to contact "girl friends" who may still be alive and live in USA. Wren32G

My best informants were all over eighty and they are not as many as there were in 2002. One whom I miss most was John Worsley. He was a World WarII artist who knew how to think on his feet. He was captured by the Gestapo who thought he was a spy not an artist. They did not torture him as he proved that he was an artist by drawing porn pictures for the guards. When he was sent to a normal POW camp he made the famous dummy POW "Albert" You may have seen the film about John Worsley's famous fictitious character "Albert RN"

Perhaps SBM and the mods will let us have an art forum here so I can tell you more about John Worsley and other well known artists.

I am trying to recruit a team of English to Polish and Polish to English translators. The only lead which I have is that "okosh" has a lot of Polish relations who can translate most Slavonic languages into Polish and English.

I am not related to Lynne so I wonder why Buster was afraid of the two of us. I hope both of Lynne's parents are still alive as we could build a database and have a chat line for octogenarians who talk to RS scam busters.

I will see what my young friend "oldcoot" can dig up for you Lynne. He is a RS member so please will members here look at his profile.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I will see what my young friend "oldcoot" can dig up for you Lynne. He is a RS member so please will members here look at his profile.

Elizabeth Marsh is at the top of the Christmas tree (she has a special socket for it to fit in to) when it comes to claiming divine rights and abilities for herself, curative powers of horse apples mashed with pig slops, degrees, doctorates and other formal qualifications coming out of the aforementioned socket from PO boxes world wide and a superb ability to SAY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR!
That was, is and always will be her path back to the top of the greasy pole that is the arse end of internet marketing.
It has always been the case that a criminal using 50% of the effort he expended to commit crimes could probably treble his income. The same can be said for E. Marsh.
There is a very narrow line between a scam and a genuine marketing exercise.
In a genuine marketing exercise, the use of language can persuade people to take action that could benefit them.
In a scam, the use of language can persuade people to take action that could benefit the scammers.
What distresses me most about E. Marsh is that she attacked a very restricted market, one in which I worked until quite recently. I cannot recall how many forums I have posted to to denounce this woman but I do recall that IN EVERY SINGLE CASE my comments were deemed to be outside the ToS since I was attacking a fellow member.
This woman made a lot of money because she was protected by the very system that was supposed to protect the general public. When it became permissable to denounce scammers by name, the damage was already done and the port-cullis and drawbridges were available for scammers to hide behind while continuing their nepharious trade.
I applaud realscam for exposing the scams and scammers but, in all reality, without a watchdog with teeth, scammers will continue to thrive and be discussed YEARS after the event.

Originally Posted by oldcoot

When it became permissable to denounce scammers by name, the damage was already done and the port-cullis and drawbridges were available for scammers to hide behind while continuing their nepharious trade.
I applaud realscam for exposing the scams and scammers but, in all reality, without a watchdog with teeth, scammers will continue to thrive and be discussed YEARS after the event.

Hi "oldcoot"

You will find watchdogs with teeth here!! This is not Adlandpro.

Kathleen Vonbeenkom has been in here waving that flag. She objected to being named here! I opened a thread for her on WLD where she will get far tougher treatment but she hasn't dared to venture into that camp. Katleen, LizMarsh and those who are afraid of phantom rasperry blowers do not know this group.

My slogan used to be Knickers to Nickers. I have another now. Blow Raspberries at Katleen!

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Hi "oldcoot"

You will find watchdogs with teeth here!! .

THERE ARE NO WATCHDOGS!!!!!
Advertising is fairly well regulated and controlled in the real world. There are official bodies to whom you can complain if the paint you buy is not the shade as described on the tin.
In the cyber world it is possible (and some do) to claim divine inspiration, the curative powers of God in a bottle, the endorsement of people long dead who are supposed to have drunk the water and come back to life, the endorsements of people claiming MD (Mercenary Devotee) after their names and, of course, claim every reputable institution in the world as users of your product - and nobody will give a damn!
It is this total lack of either external control or internet marketer concern that makes scamming so easy, popular and profitable.
The web can be controlled - the question is, by users or by government?

Originally Posted by oldcoot

THERE ARE NO WATCHDOGS!!!!!
Advertising is fairly well regulated and controlled in the real world. There are official bodies to whom you can complain if the paint you buy is not the shade as described on the tin.
In the cyber world it is possible (and some do) to claim divine inspiration, the curative powers of God in a bottle, the endorsement of people long dead who are supposed to have drunk the water and come back to life, the endorsements of people claiming MD (Mercenary Devotee) after their names and, of course, claim every reputable institution in the world as users of your product - and nobody will give a damn!
It is this total lack of either external control or internet marketer concern that makes scamming so easy, popular and profitable.
The web can be controlled - the question is, by users or by government?

Oldest dilema in cyberspace "old coot"

Add a third option to the poll "Users with Balls." I will be pleased to be named in that category.

On a more serious vein "Oldcoot", let us ask ourselves how this type of lawlessness was brought under control using history as a precedent.

I would value your considered opinion. Let us bounce some ideas off each other. Here is one of mine for starters.

"People with huge balls" were the ones who organised the masses, (that had been rendered effete,) into powerful unions. When nobody held the balance of power, lawlessness lost its domination of the US. I do not know much about the history of the trade union movement in the USA but I have read some fabulous books on the sacrifices the men and women who gave their all and in some cases their lives for the cause. Two real tear jerkers on that subject are "The Grapes of Wrath" by "John Steinbeck" and an easier read is "Sea Glass" by "Anita Shreive."

Lynne, Patrick and others have displayed "huge balls" in their stand against thugs like this LizMarsh but where is any political clout for the scam busters and the scam busting movement? Unions still have great political clout in USA and even more in UK and Scandanavia.

Huge Balls are of no value on the internet unless you are a mega-scammer.
Dr. Liz and her revolting ilk do what they do simply because THEY CAN! When you are a stranger to veracity, moral values and self restraint, the internet allows you to blast out any old crap that you think will make you a dollar. It allows you to TARGET HUNGRY MARKETS but the markets aren't hungry, they are desperately vulnerable. Despite my 45 years experience with cancer and cancer related debilitations, both personal and within my very small sphere of operations, I still read much that is almost compelling in the curative claims being made and the language being used. The internet is rife with the type of parasite that is prepared to feed off its host until the host dies.
Who is there to stop them?
Where can a concerned member of the public go if he/she sees a pack of lies designed to dupe the most vulnerable members of society?
In the real world an advert can be reported to several agencies designed to control the quality of advertising - and it takes very few reports to have an effect. These agencies are funded, to a great extent, by the advertisers, themselves, so that the general public can be shown, in no uncertain terms, that advertising in the mainstream media can be trusted.
On the internet, many adverts are not even paid for! There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT the Ford Motor Company has any qualms at all about having its adverts appearing alongside the latest, greatest cancer cure that has never been invented but which is yours for $97 a month!
Cheap is what cheap gets and internet advertising is cheap, often nasty, deeply offensive to many and completely out of control.
I repeat what I have said before, the despicable kings and queens of scam will not be brought to heel by the well intentioned few.
Even now, Andy Bodouin (might be miss-spelled but you will know who he is) is actually asking his ASD members to cough up an additional $50 each to "finance his legal defence". Like in his original ponzi ads, he is very persuasive and people he has ripped off are volunteering to let him rip them off again!!! I don't see anybody telling him that he has got, already, several million dollars. I suppose we should all feel relieved that the banks, since they live in the real world, were prevented from trying the same tactic.
Internet advertising is long over-due some real oversight. Real Scam and similar sites nibble at the edges but NIBBLE is all they do.

Originally Posted by oldcoot

Internet advertising is long over-due some real oversight. Real Scam and similar sites nibble at the edges but NIBBLE is all they do.

They have done more than nibble at this cookie "oldcoot." Lynne and Tony Hetherington have got their fangs into her hide and it looks as if you and "sascha" can help bite her where it really hurts.

I have got my gnashers into another "mutual friend" from the past, who may not be as bad this LoveJoy, but she is one who has posed as Queen of The May in another cyberspace arena for a very long time.

But that is my whole point! A bite that does not draw blood is a nibble. These dirt bags do what they do because without a radical change in the way advertising is allowed on the net, they can continue scamming with impunity, knowing that all efforts to stop them will be inneffective for a very long time. A TV advert seen by millions only has to receive FIVE complaints before the Advertising Standards Boards can force it to be removed immediately pending an enquiry. THAT IS TEETH!!

There are two factors that play into stopping these Ponzi's/scams. The first is education, and the second assisting law enforcement to shut these illegal programs down. Both are equally important.

The more people are educated about these programs and how they work, who all the players are and their respective roles, the less they will fall prey to them. Likewise law enforcement needs assistance because they are sadly overwhelmed and outmanned to deal with these criminals. It is why Eagle does what it does to educate and assist law enforcement agencies.

To the people who were part of the over twenty illegal progams we have aided law enforcement in shutting down, they are very grateful they were shut down. The only thing holding us back from doing even more is donations and people helping us do our research. It is very simple, the more money we have to research and assist law enforcement, the more success law enforcement will have in shutting them down and charging them. The same is true about educating the public.

We appreciate any and all help we can get in helping us assist law enforcement agencies with their investigations in shutting these crooks down. To just sit by and do nothing only contributes to the problem. We chose to get involved and be a part of the solution.

So, you have closed down twenty illegal programmes – many congratulations.
What about the hundreds of other illegal programmes that are currently running?
What about the 763 cancer curing products that are being sold illegally on the web?
What about the thousands of people advertising viagra and chialis who sell neither though they do take the money?
What about the hundreds of American and Canadian pharmaceutical sites that sell placebos by the ton?
What about bogus “free” offers that are very tiny sprats catching huge mackerel?
What about the bogus sites collecting money for non-existent individuals who “need your help”?
Until there is a common will among internet marketers to regulate the medium, nibbling at the problem will have to suffice.

Originally Posted by oldcoot

Until there is a common will among internet marketers to regulate the medium, nibbling at the problem will have to suffice.

Hi "old coot"

There is a will among the people to regulate the medium! What is lacking is the Union leaders who can organise the masses and give "power to the people." There is no point trying to reinvent the wheel. The organisations which can crush criminals like Lovejoy already exist.

I hope that Americans here will read their greatest authour (John Steinbeck's) tear jerking novel "The Grapes of Wrath" and revise some of their history. Their forefathers gave their all including their lives to set up a Union movement. We should inform American unions and those in our own countries about Lovejoy and her ilk by getting Europen Unions to look at this cow. Lovejoy's frauds are news on two continents.

I do not know if America or Spain has a powerful equivelent to The National Union of Journalists in UK but I suggest that the best way to curb her activities is to get journalist's unions in all our countries onto her criminal Empire and to draw attention to the good work done by Lynne, Patrick Pretty and Tony Hetherington. The Unions have the money and political power to act, if enough ordinary people put pressure on them.

I do not know if journalist's Unions in Oz and the Indian sub continent have the same power that they do here but they are the organisations WITH BITE.

I am not a left wing fanatic myself but I was married to one for over twenty years and some of his philosophy has rubbed off on me.

Originally Posted by oldcoot

So, you have closed down twenty illegal programmes – many congratulations.
What about the hundreds of other illegal programmes that are currently running?
What about the 763 cancer curing products that are being sold illegally on the web?
What about the thousands of people advertising viagra and chialis who sell neither though they do take the money?
What about the hundreds of American and Canadian pharmaceutical sites that sell placebos by the ton?
What about bogus “free” offers that are very tiny sprats catching huge mackerel?
What about the bogus sites collecting money for non-existent individuals who “need your help”?
Until there is a common will among internet marketers to regulate the medium, nibbling at the problem will have to suffice.

We focus on Investment Internet Ponzi's. That is our expertise, and that's what we focus are efforts towards stopping. Actually it is now twenty-eight, which is twenty-eight more than before we started assisting law enforcement with their investigations. Of course we want to do more, but until donations are received in the amounts for us to do even more, we do what we can with what we have.

We decided to do something besides just "talk" about the problem. There are plenty of people "talking" about the problem, but that's all they do is "talk." If enough people truly get outraged enough, as they claim, they would put their money and time where their mouth is.

The other point I was making is that law enforcement is overwhelmed trying to stop all this madness. They are out manned, out spent, and out gunned in this fight. In the arena of Internet investment Ponzi's, we can help and do with what we have.

We can lament all day long about what about this and what about that, and why isn't anything being done about it. BUT until people get involved with their time and money, it is just that talk. There are people who have vital information that we could use to help put a stop to the problem, but until they provide that information we do with what we have.

In every case we have aided law enforcement agencies with their investigations, it has come from someone who had information, had enough of the lies and deceit and stealing people's money providing us with key critical information that helped close the criminal enterprise down.

Please do not misunderstand, it is important to warn people; but unless action is taken, it is just all talk and no walk.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

We focus on Investment Internet Ponzi's. That is our expertise, and that's what we focus are efforts towards stopping.

We decided to do something besides just "talk" about the problem. There are plenty of people "talking" about the problem, but that's all they do is "talk." If enough people truly get outraged enough, as they claim, they would put their money and time where their mouth is.

The other point I was making is that law enforcement is overwhelmed trying to stop all this madness. They are out manned, out spent, and out gunned in this fight. In the arena of Internet investment Ponzi's, we can help and do with what we have.

We can lament all day long about what about this and what about that, and why isn't anything being done about it. BUT until people get involved with their time and money, it is just that talk. There are people who have vital information that we could use to help put a stop to the problem, but until they provide that information we do with what we have.

In every case we have aided law enforcement agencies with their investigations, it has come from someone who had information, had enough of the lies and deceit and stealing people's money providing us with key critical information that helped close the criminal enterprise down.

Please do not misunderstand, it is important to warn people; but unless action is taken, it is just all talk and no walk.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this Lynne.

If you could get one of the big Unions to back you with donations and political power, it would be a major break through. You have started a movement and you deserve backing from powerful allies.

I am not familiar with this Lovejoy's background but I am very familiar with the VLane saga. VLane claimed to be investing member's money on the Isle of Man in the UK. The Trade Unions in UK were taking a very strong stand against off shore banking at that time and they got legislation on the statute book despite our having right wing prime ministers like Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair. It is not clear whether Mara did invest on The Isle of Man or whether she lied about it. If the American Unions and British Unions like the National Union of Teachers had stepped in to halt Vee and Mara, it would have saved a great deal of heartache.

I would be prepared to write to the legal department of the "National Union of Teachers" and ask them if they could help in the fight against scammers in the teaching profession, if you could tell me the name of any big teaching Unions in USA, who would not like to know that members of their profession are involved with these frauds.

Do we know anthing about Lovejoy's work experience and the American Unions which would take a stand againgst big time crooks like this? If the woman has some genuine medical or para medical background there would be plenty of Unions in US and UK who could be very interested to know that she is disgracing a worthy profession.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

We focus on Investment Internet Ponzi's. That is our expertise, and that's what we focus are efforts towards stopping.

We decided to do something besides just "talk" about the problem. There are plenty of people "talking" about the problem, but that's all they do is "talk." If enough people truly get outraged enough, as they claim, they would put their money and time where their mouth is.

The other point I was making is that law enforcement is overwhelmed trying to stop all this madness. They are out manned, out spent, and out gunned in this fight. In the arena of Internet investment Ponzi's, we can help and do with what we have.

We can lament all day long about what about this and what about that, and why isn't anything being done about it. BUT until people get involved with their time and money, it is just that talk. There are people who have vital information that we could use to help put a stop to the problem, but until they provide that information we do with what we have.

In every case we have aided law enforcement agencies with their investigations, it has come from someone who had information, had enough of the lies and deceit and stealing people's money providing us with key critical information that helped close the criminal enterprise down.

Please do not misunderstand, it is important to warn people; but unless action is taken, it is just all talk and no walk.

I agree with wholeheartedly on this Lynne.

If you could get one of the big Unions to back you with donations and political power, it would be a major break through. You have started a movement and you deserve backing from powerful allies.

I am not familiar with this Lovejouy's background but I am very familiar with the VLane saga. VLane claimed to be investing member's money on the Isle of Man in the UK. The Trade Unions in UK were taking a very strong stand against off shore banking at that time and they got legislation on the statute book despite our having right wing prime ministers like Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair. If the American Unions and British Unions like the National Union of Teachers had stepped in to halt Vee and Mara, it would have saved a great deal of heartache.

I would be prepared to write to the legal department of the "National Union of Teachers" and ask them if they could help in the fight against scammers in the teaching profession, if you cold tell me the name of any big teaching Unions in USA, who would not like to know that like members of their profession are involved with these frauds.

Do we know anthing about Lovejoy's work experience and the American Unions which would take a stand againgst big time crooks like this?

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I agree with wholeheartedly on this Lynne.

If you could get one of the big Unions to back you with donations and political power, it would be a major break through. You have started a movement and you deserve backing from powerful allies.

I am not familiar with this Lovejouy's background but I am very familiar with the VLane saga. VLane claimed to be investing member's money on the Isle of Man in the UK. The Trade Unions in UK were taking a very strong stand against off shore banking at that time and they got legislation on the statute book despite our having right wing prime ministers like Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair. If the American Unions and British Unions like the National Union of Teachers had stepped in to halt Vee and Mara, it would have saved a great deal of heartache.

I would be prepared to write to the legal department of the "National Union of Teachers" and ask them if they could help in the fight against scammers in the teaching profession, if you cold tell me the name of any big teaching Unions in USA, who would not like to know that like members of their profession are involved with these frauds.

Do we know anthing about Lovejoy's work experience and the American Unions which would take a stand againgst big time crooks like this?

The problem is they all have their own agenda's and they are not going to deviate from them to assist us. I have gone to the major banks to let them know if they would assist us financially we could decrease the amount of money their customers lose to these scammers, as well as what it costs the bank because of them. They were not interested because all they had to do was raise their fees to cover their losses. Until it really hits their bottom line, they are not interested.

There are people right now that are reading this that could help us with information, or introduce me to people who could donate to us and help our cause. I don't expect the person to sell Eagle to them, all I need is an introduction to them. If I can't convince them to donate, then it is on me. I believe if I had the chance to speak with them, I could convince them to donate and also get their friends to help us as well.

I do not want people to get the impression that I am not respectful of OldCoot's comments because I do value his knowledge and wisdom; just as I do all the others who post here. I wanted to point out that while his comments are valid, there are ways to solve some of the issues he raised. One is education, and the other is information and donations that will stop these scammers.

We know what we can do if we had the money to do it. That is what is so frustrating to us. We have proven we can assist and get these illegal programs shut down and the crooks charged. We aided in Pedro Dispenza (Peter Roor and his wife), Warren English and Alain Desarznes and his wife, and Tom Sornas to be charged, and all in this year. These are three of the biggest scammers on the Internet worldwide. We are hoping several others will also be charged before the year is out.

I am just hoping that finally people will realize that something can be done, and will get behind us to do even more. OK, will get off my soapbox for now.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

There are people right now that are reading this that could help us with information

In order to keep information away from those, such as yourself, the intelligent players, within the scammers community, know that they must maintain control of everyone - at all times. Those with the ability to maintain control over anyone and everyone is well respected. To lose control of anyone is a sure sign of weakness.

The 'stranglehold' this community had is loosening - the 'spell' they cast is wearing off. 'The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link'. This 'weak link', without knowing it, will play a major role in the taking down of some hyips and the players involved - both big and small. It is only a matter of time. Patience is the key.