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    Although ASD and its owner,Thomas Anderson Bowdoin, Jr. have lost their civil Forfeiture case, they continue to appeal the court's decision. At one time or another, Bowdoin told the members of ASD that he will fight for the money will everything he had. Only problem was everything he had, he took from the members, including a condo, cars, personal watercraft, more cars, and an $800,000 building that was only really worth maybe $300K.

    I bring this up mostly because the Appeals process is as silly and nonsensical as the Civil Forfeiture case, and they are asking for more time to file a case brief they have know was due for over a month! Idiots!!

    Plus during the Civil case, Bowdoin and his co-conspirator family members started Ad View Global (AVG), which has also tanked; he may well also be involved in Ad Pay Daily, as the structure is virtually identical to ASD (although APD claims it is a new and wondrous business model).

    This old con man cannot go to jail fast enough for most of the membership of ASD, and here is repeatedly stalls the legal process, spending hundreds of thousand of the money he stole to stay out of jail. I hope he and his liver spots rot in prison and soon!!
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Great topic Wizzy, thanks.

    In some ways it's hard for anyone who wasn't "there" to understand what the fascination is with this case. Thomas "Andy" Bowdoin is a career con man who shifted from one scam to another in a furtive and seeming hopeless effort to make it big. But in his early seventies he finally started stealing enough money to stop leaching off his wife's flower shop earnings and had close to 100 million of other peoples dollars when the secret service closed him down in August of 2008.

    There are any number of ways to dissect this case, with many valuable insights. Perhaps others will be along to lend their own. I see it as the triumph and downfall of Pavlov's dog. I didn't matter what the bell sounded like, if you feed someone regularly enough they will salivate any time you ring it. Andy was running a ponzi scheme, pure and simple but his real achievement was being able to keep it running long enough that it almost didn't matter what lies he told, people were still getting paid so anything he said was almost literally golden. The law caught up to him just a little before the laws of mathematics would have and because of that many of his psychologically conditioned followers blamed the government for closing the scam down. Enough so that even while Ad Surf Daily was losing it's court case Andy, and his family were able to open a clone of the program in Uruguay where they'd be safe from our evil government. Safe from our government maybe, safe from the laws of mathematics, never. It didn't last six months before they cut and ran taking any money they had with them.

    It's truly unusual to see a scammer hold such loyalty from the people he has scammed. It is hard to admit our mistakes but until Andy led his followers off a second cliff in a single year he commanded a level of respect and devotion that defies exaggeration. It would almost be like if Bernie Madoff's victims marched on Washington demanding his freedom because if he was still investing their money they'd still be making 20% a year return on investment, at least on paper.
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    The other issue about the Secret Service raid and subsequent Government action against Thomas Andy Bowdoin and AdSurfDaily that has made this so fascinating is that the ASD case will possibly set a legal precedent for the way that ponzi autosurfs are deal with by law enforcement in the future.

    In spite of the successful prosecutions of 12 Daily Pro and CEP, the reach of the punishments dealt out by the courts and the government receivers was confined to the owners of the schemes and some minor clawbacks from major promoters. In addition the case was brought by the SEC for the sale of unregistered securities.

    In the ASD case, the raid was made by the Secret Service, the civil case was brought by Federal Government on charges of money laundering, wire fraud and conspiracy. In addition the Federal Government is empowered to bring criminal charges. The c ivil forfeiture case is now closed and the monies that were recovered are in the hands of the US Government for eventual restitution to the victims of the ponzi scheme. However, the criminal case has still not been resolved. It is only when this happens that we will finally see the full extent to which the US Government is prepared to go to punish the participants of schemes like this.

    Andy Bowdoin and his henchmen are going to extraordinary lengths to delay the inevitable - long prison sentences - and have already resorted to the most bizarre defences, supportedn by tax deniers and other assorted cranks. However there will be a day of reckoning in the criminal courts at the end of the day and then we will see how they are punished.

    The civil trial of ASD has already had the effect of "pushing offshore" the next series of ponzi autosurfs. This is not legal if it involves promotion to US citizens and some participants of earlier schemes are waking up a little to the fact that this is not going to be the goose that lays the golden egg for much longer. Others are too hardened or deeply entrenched in the autosurf culture (or make too much money out of it) and a few are still in denial that they were caught out and conned by a pro (however unlikely he might seem to be).

    There is one other issue that has also been the subject of discussion on some boards and blogs and that is the question of "who is behind" people like Bowdoin - who was certainly not the brightest crayon in the box in his previous career as a conman. Patrick Pretty has written a couple of articles about the Steroidal Puppeteers.

    Our Theory Of The AdSurfDaily Case: Steroidal Puppeteers

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    UPDATE: The Theory Of ‘Steroidal Puppeteers’

    People like Andy Bowdoin are always the publicly known front men for the schemes that become well known and "successfull" but these people alone are not generally capable of achieving anything like the level of notoriaty that ASD and other like businesses have achieved.

    ASD was pretty much undiscovered - it was described as "a sleeper" until it was "launched" onto the network marketing world and the internet public. Many other schemes never become publically known, but fly under the radar until they burn out, leaving the leaders in profit and the rest with losses.

    It is suspected that, behind all these financially "successful" schemes is a group of people, possibly the same people on many ocassions who we never hear about or read about or hear from, but without whom the autosurf industry couldnt exist.

    Now that the political climate towards ponzi schemes has changed and they are officially considered a public lacre, the dealing of the ASD case may set a precedent for the autosurf world that the Steroidal Puppeteers will not like one bit

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    How long did you enjoy the fruits of Andy Bowdoin's labour's, Alasycia?

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Quote Originally Posted by uvbindun View Post
    How long did you enjoy the fruits of Andy Bowdoin's labour's, Alasycia?
    Hmm, there aren't all that many ASD related trolls and even fewer still who try to stalk someone like Alasycia, are you "Uncle Festa" perhaps? I have more than one reason to believe you are and that's enough reason to add our name to the long list of sites that have banned you. However I would be flattered if you added me to your youtube slander channel, thanks.

    (oh wait, this is the first chance I got to use my "ban hammer" smilie: )
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
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    What an honor to be the one of the reasonbehind your first banner hammer smilie! lol I guess Fester has found us. Or maybe he has cloned himself.

    Yes, most people who have been following the ASD drama are aware that, until the raid, I was one of their cheerleaders, of which I am thoroughly ashamed. I fell hook line and sinker for Uncle Andy's "sincere professionalism" (That was his image when he first started ASD. The onstage heroics and call to godliness were part of the second incarnation of ASD) The only source of relief I have is that I never took any money out and am not aware of anyone I recruited losing lots of money, but that is not much consolation.

    However, thanks to fact that, like many others, I am capable of reading and understanding government charges, and also to the patience of many of the anti scammers who used to post on scam.dot.com, Patrick Pretty and others who really care about their work, it was not difficult to learn how and why ASD was in fact a ponzi. It was a necessary wake up call and a great learning curve and one that only reinforced my wish to stamp out all scams, and not just the ones I understood easily.

    Unlike those who have never been scammed in their life, sometimes someone who has been on the receiving end is ocasionally better able to explain to those who are still victims or about to become victims what they are not seeing about a so called business.

    One thing that has been a lesson has been this - insulting newbie victims of scams is not always the best path to educating them and protecting them for the future and is often counter productive. Better to assume they are ignorant of the real facts and educate them. This is especially true on public forums, where other victims and potential victims go to find out about a business. Belittling those people only makes anti scammers look mean and vindictive and casts serious doubt on their intentions to work against fraud, because even when they are right, their vicous tones makes them sound wrong.

    The same recommendation does not, of course, apply to the professional leeches or ponzi wh*res who make a living out of promoting one after another scam. They are criminals and not victims and do not deserve respect on any forum or blog or in any other place they go.

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    I was one of their cheerleaders, of which I am thoroughly ashamed. I fell hook line and sinker for Uncle Andy's "sincere professionalism"
    I understand your feelings, but many of us do not view your experience as something shameful. We feel empathy and compassion.

    Unlike those who have never been scammed in their life, sometimes someone who has been on the receiving end is ocasionally better able to explain to those who are still victims or about to become victims what they are not seeing about a so called business.
    This is certainly true.

    One thing that has been a lesson has been this - insulting newbie victims of scams is not always the best path to educating them and protecting them for the future and is often counter productive. Better to assume they are ignorant of the real facts and educate them. This is especially true on public forums, where other victims and potential victims go to find out about a business. Belittling those people only makes anti scammers look mean and vindictive and casts serious doubt on their intentions to work against fraud, because even when they are right, their vicous tones makes them sound wrong.
    Well said. Bravo!
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Um, GlimDropper... Don't ever call me "Wizzy"..

    I prefer "Omniscient One" or perhaps "Wizzardlyguy".. but never "Wizzy"
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    My most profuse apologies oh great wanded one.



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    Oh wait, or is it:

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Will "The Great Erudite" do, Wizzy?

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Every scam has its apologists and its deniers. ASD has been especially marked by this phenomen.

    This article by Patrick Pretty, which is an exclusive interview with his son, makes it abundantly clear that their protests, in spite of hard facts to the contrary, are unwarranted and inexcusable. His son explains that Bowdoin has been using religion and lies to con people all his life. Other family members have also pointed out that Bowdoin was not a buffoon, but a highly intelligent man without a conscience, which further corroborates the theory that he, along with others of his ilk, are sociopaths and dangerous.

    Son Says AdSurfDaily’s Andy Bowdoin Used Religion To Fleece Masses And Disgraced Family Name; Huckster’s Scheming Dates Back To 1960s, Another Family Member Says; ‘He Has A Criminal Mind’

    This is worth a read, not only to those following the ASD case, but to anyone who is interested in the type of people behind these financial scams.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    With the announcement the state of Florida has dropped its illegal pyramid charges against ASD has the die-hard faithful in a tither. Of course they got the info all messed up and claimed ASD had been cleared of being a Ponzi. Florida never claimed it was a Ponzi or had any charges filed saying so. So much for truth in advertising. The die-hards believe the feds will also throw in the towel soon, as Andy has then on the ropes with this Florida ruling. They also forgot that Florida dismissed it with prejudice meaning they can re-file this at any time they choose.

    They also don't realize that the feds have not charged Andy or ASD with anything yet. All the current legal issues are civil and only deal with the asset seizure and forfeiture. But then the die-hards never did get anything right about the legal problems of ASD.

    Like everyone else, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop, and find out who all will be criminally charged in the ASD case. I think there are going to be some jaws dropping at the names; at least I hope so. Just don't expect much until the appeal is heard in November and a ruling is made. Then expect things to really heat up. Come Thanksgiving, we might all have something to be really grateful for to give thanks.
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    And just in from another thread.

    ASD Remissions arena is joined by a CPA Firm promising to get early refunds??

    It looks like the opportunists are starting to come out of the woodwork and we have the first of many people trying to cash in on the ASD remission program - to scam the already scammed.?

    The only site for retrieving any money lost to ASD is the official Government Remissions Agent

    Official ASD Remission Site

    the Agents are Rust Consulting, Inc. and have been apointed by the US Gov to handled the remissions. Noone else has been named at present,.

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    The official remissions site for Ad Surf Daily doesn't work. It comes up as an error.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Donna View Post
    The official remissions site for Ad Surf Daily doesn't work. It comes up as an error.
    Strange, it works for me:


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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Well, Andy Bowdoin was arrested today and had five counts of wire fraud, one count of securities fraud, and one count of unlawful sale of unregistered securities. If convicted, Bowdoin faces a maximum sentence of 125 years in prison and fines of up to $6,260,000.

    Now we hope the major pimps of this scam will also be arrested and charged with a misprision of a felony. Hopefully it won't be long until they are. I bet there are some pimps shaking in their collective boots with this news today. So much for all the charges being dropped and Andy has the feds on the run.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Awesome news that we are also celebrating over here!

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    Excellent news Eagle. It is to be hoped that the next series of arrests are not far behind.

    If he is not bailed, Bowdoin will probably eat better on Christmas Day, thanks to the US Prison Service, than some of his victims

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Here's a link to the Release Order and the conditions Andy must abide by:

    http://assets00.grou.ps/0F2E3C/wysiw...sojqd/Doc3.pdf
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    It would be good to believe that Thomas "Andy" Bowdoin gave a flying rat's a$$ for the terms of his bail.

    Unfortunately, that is difficult. His credentials as a God fearing American are questionable. And that is putting it kindly.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    And not surprising to most of us, the "ASD Group" who filed all of those 'Motions to Intervene' in the ASD forfeiture case are now associated with a nonsensical claim filed in the Court of Claims, a complaint by Oesch and Leaming, asking for a penalty of $29.44 TRILLION dollars. I know, I didn't believe it either, but it's true.
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzard7 View Post
    asking for a penalty of $29.44 TRILLION dollars. I know, I didn't believe it either, but it's true.
    I wonder if they'd settle their case for a measly 10 million or so.

    snort !!!!
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    These idiots would probably settle for their filing fee back. and then claim a major victory over the illegal US fraudsters.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    In the you can not make this up category comes this absolutely hilarious piece of news: The judge assigned the criminal trial for Andy Bowdoin is none other than, drum roll please.......Judge Rosemary Collyer. Not kidding. The same judge Andy said was 'incompetent, was bribed, and corrupt' when she was assigned to hear his Evidentiary hearing.

    Wanna bet that Andy's lawyers do everything they can to try to get a different judge? LOL! What poetic justice!

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Just a small bump to mention the preliminary motions in Andy's criminal trail are underway. Wizard7 is running a blog to keep us up to date. (Link) He's also being kind enough to make the case files available to those of us without a Pacer account. (link)

    Thanks man. :)
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