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    Any one have historical stuff on Pigeon King International?

    I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

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    I read the article Kasey and found it fascinating. However I wanted to tell you that I was one of Dave from CrimeBustersNow's staunchest admirers around 2006 -2007 and it may have been where I heard of Pidgeon King. I mentioned somebody who had written an excellent article on the use of subliminal sound. That person was Dave. He was not sure that there was any real evidence to support it but he was surprised by some studies.

    If Dave warned people aginst Pidgeon King and nobody heeded his warning, that was not unusual for Dave. He fought the deluge of verbal abuse and ridicule which was hurled at him on WLD with great aplomb and I was slaughtered for calling the man erudite. I left him several PMs on WLD asking him if he would join RS but he seems to have left. If you are in touch with him, please tell him how much he would be appreciated here.

    I wish I could help on Pidgeon King but your article refreshed my memory and I can not add anything else.

    I have been trying to renew contacts with Dave for a long time. He was an absolute ACE and very badly treated in Canada for his outspoken reporting. If anybody is in touch, please pass on an invitation from me. He won one major battle when a French newspaper found out how badly he had been treated by his own countrymen and took up the story. I hope that he is still in the land of the living.
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    I tried contacting Dave through his website and the e-mail bounced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    I tried contacting Dave through his website and the e-mail bounced.
    That has really upset me Kasey. I have suspected bad news for some time as he always answered people's questions extremely thoughtfully. I feel how some of you may feel when scambusting pioneers who have assembled here, bite the dust. However there is hope that this is not the case. He may have taken an extended vacation.

    The good thing is that we have modern historians working behind the scenes and the truth about Dave's fight against organised Internet crime in Canada will make the history books. Part of his fight is recorded in a a French newspaper. A lot of his story can be found on WLD. The British press supported him on one issue. Perhaps you could add a tribute to him in your Pidgeon King article. I am sure that I was correct in describing him as an erudite man and a polymath mentality.
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    I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

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    Hi this is Dave - CBNow

    I would be more than willing to proof read you story to make sure everything is factual and accurate.

    Just came across this forum, as I am still handicapped trying to navigate the Internet.

    I have enormous amounts of recorded and documented information on PKI: The abuse from CANADIAN police, the government, CANADIAN Attorneys General, Federation of Independent Business, Competition Bureau, Security & Exchange Commission even the media, and unbelievably even the Better Business as I tried desperately to warn unsophisticated, mostly Mennonite farmers of this fraud and its and their impending doom.

    Those who are familiar with my website and Internet postings will know that although the PKI scam was probably the most egregious criminal conspiracy ever perpetrated on North American farm families, it is not the only scam I have pursued. Treasure Traders International later Business In Motion (also snagging many farmers and kids as young as 16) involved Police, Government personnel (Tax Department etc) lawyers school board officials, bankers, teachers, politicians etc, etc.
    It was necessary and costly for me to defend an unsuccessful $10,000,000 S.L.A.P.P. (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) for liable… but I did “kick the collective asses” of the 24 lawyer law firm prosecuting on behalf of the international money laundering crook, Alan Kippax. That was 2006. The government still refused to take action…. But now, as a result of the 18 page precedent judgment it took Judge Quigley of the Ontario Superior Court six months to render, no lawyer including an assistant Crown Prosecutor, Brian Lindley of Walkerton On, will sue me as threatened.

    I was arrested in front of the Oakville Trafalgar High School, once again on trumped up charges (four years later still trying to warn students and get this guy prosecuted): The arrest - June 21, 2010, and still on trial.
    Three days after my release on bail in an unbelievable “time-line” (CP) under the Access to Info Act” published an internal fraud investigation of the CRA (Income Tax) confirming personnel were indeed spending, sometime half their work day engaged in illegal and fraudulent activity including “running pyramid schemes” just as my pamphlets warned students exactly 1 week earlier when I was arrested.

    Six months after my arrest, December 2010 and after a corrupted Waterloo Regional fraud detective appeared on CTV telling the world they “could find nothing illegal in the PKI operation and CBC gratuitously stating that the scheme was “clearly legal” in Canada, Galbraith “The Pigeon King” was finally arrested in the largest fraud ever investigated in the Region of Waterloo.

    December 15, 2010, more trumped up charges of “assault police” were dropped when the Judge “jumped all over” the cop giving false & misleading evidence. Occasionally I “pull” an honest, intelligent, unbiased judge. Unfortunately not so currently.

    In January 2011 Xenel corrupt “charity” telemarketers were given the largest fine in Canadian history. I exposed these crooks, my face obscured on CTV’s “W5,” as GWE before they found it necessary to change their “soiled” name in… get this… 1985.

    Then on January 12-13 2011, 12 of the top perpetrators of BIM operating out of Mississauga with police protection were arrested by Manitoba RCMP…. One a teacher; one a banker as exposed in the pamphlets distributed to students more than 6 months previously: The involvement of RCMP, lawyers, politicians etc, now being suppressed by authorities and unbelievably the “mainstream media.”

    I am still on trial and I need the help of the public. Everything I have uncovered, written about and communicated verbally in Court and on the street is true and accurate: My information used by governments in other countries, Interpol, Scotland Yard, U.S. Attorneys General, but discredited by my own Canadian police and government authorities.
    Please read the account of this bizarre story by Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Scheme Alert just published about a week ago.

    Just follow the links.

    Thanks for listening if you got this far. But I am really desperate. This harassment has cost me all that I owned, causing much psychological and emotional distress particularly when I no longer have the resources to effectively warn the likes of high school kids getting unwittingly involved in fraudulent schemes perpetrated by police, lawyers, government personnel etc, and some of their own teachers and even church ministers then, when they and/or parents discover they have been defrauded, intimidated into keep their “mouths shut.” It is abhorrent. I await comments and email.

    Thanks again

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    So pleased to have you here Dave. When I started following your story on WLD, I ffound it hard to swallow but you epitomised courtesy when I asked you questions about yourself or any of the causes that championed, I found you a delightful person with whom to communicate online.

    Please fill in the Introduce Yourself part of this forum so that others here can get to know you. Your story should be told and you are among people who know what has gone on in the world of Internet crime and those who have striven to expose it have suffered.

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    Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

    Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

    Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!
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    So pleased to have you here Dave. When I started following your story on WLD, I ffound it hard to swallow but you epitomised courtesy when I asked you questions about yourself or any of the causes that championed, I found you a delightful person with whom to communicate online.

    Please fill in the Introduce Yourself part of this forum so that others here can get to know you. Your story should be told and you are among people who know what has gone on in the world of Internet crime and those who have striven to expose it have suffered.
    Thank you guys so much for the overwhelming kind words, the support and actually remembering after all this time. I have only a grade ten vocational education but posting since 2004 with the help of the thesaurus and spell checker I have discovered a whole new vocabulary I was oblivious to.

    But these two words “aplomb” and “erudite” I can honestly confess I do not recollect ever seeing let alone their poignant meaning. Being showered in such language is humbling; something crooks, cops, prosecutors, judges, and government etc, with all their vile vitriol, have never been able to do.

    Right now my life has been terribly upset and fragmented and in utter turmoil. I have moved to Quebec and have had to return to Ontario several times to fight these vicious, absurd and malicious assault charges I believed would have been withdrawn or dismissed by now, particularly since similar charges were withdrawn December 15, 2010 when the police officer was berated by the judge for attempting to mislead the court with untruthful testimony.

    This present case is far worse, with two students and a vice principle giving false and contradictory evidence. They have contradicted each other and have even contradicted themselves. This sham has robbed me of what little resources I had left and more importantly robbed me of the time and few dollars I would be using publishing and distributing pamphlet warning the public especially seniors and students of the serious and inherent dangers of pyramid/Ponzi schemes: The fact that my warnings of years gone by have been proven factually correct means nothing to Canadian authorities. My presence at high schools, colleges and universities proved very effective and had to be stopped.

    So appropriate is that Japanese expression…. “The Nail That Stands Up, Must Be Hammered Down!”

    Mentally it has been debilitating, but finding this forum and you guys has given me a much needed boost. I am packing now to head back to Quebec. The train has WiFi and I will see if I am able to post while on the way back to Quebec.

    Thanks again,

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    I was appauled when I read your story and amazed at the lack of support which you got but you will find people here far more dedicated than they are in the WLD forum as Internet crime is a relatively small part of their legal business.

    If this sort of thing goes on in Canada Dave, it eplains why a purported Canadian multi millionaire Bogdan Fiedur hired the most expensive British solicitor in UK to sue me. The solicitor decided not to issue a writ after SBM published information about Fiedur, showing him up as a person who ran an advertising board for virtually all scams and she also showed him up as a hard porn broker. There appears to have been no legal action against BoggyBoy in Canada.

    You may be able to glean some evidence for your cause to show that wealthy Canadians like Bogdan Fiedur get away with behaviour like this in his own country but is unable to enlist the help of refutable British solicitors or consumer advocate services like this one run by SBM in USA. You are welcome to contact me by e-mail or SKYPE if you wish to learn more about the exploits of BoggyBoy Fiedur in this RSthread. http://www.realscam.com/f11/bogdan-f...lscam-com-913/

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    Welcome CBN and you have found the right place for support. It makes me sad that you have suffered so much trying to do the right thing. It is a shame how our governments and officials get involved in crime and use their power to threaten others to keep quiet. I believe that is what has just happened with the trial of Sandusky and Penn State. No one would report him because of 'threats'. He even told his victims no one would believe them. He was allowed to continue the abuse with young boys throughout many years. I realize they are attempting to appeal but IMO he will stay behind bars where he belongs.

    With the internet becoming so essential and worldwide economy problems, these "schemes/crime" have invaded the vast majority of websites promoting all kinds of hype just to take your money to make themselves rich. The more scam-fighters who join together will make a much bigger splash than just each one taking a slice at it.

    There are many members here who have much knowledge and experience and understand how these things operate. I am a 'newbie' as I only got involved a couple of years ago. I will put a link to your site on my own website as I have with several others. Since I share it with Twitter and Facebook, it really does get attention.

    Perhaps things are about to change for the better for you and many others. Maybe Canadian officials will begin to start 'cleaning up' some of the big games playing there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

    Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!
    It really worked for her!!! Wow, last I checked it was over $500,000.

    Who is Mitch??

    Anyone can put together photographs, animations, recordings, and documents into a Windows Movie Maker and make a video to upload to YouTube. If certain people can come up with those 'whack' jobs, than a professional can turn this into something worthy.

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    I was appauled when I read your story and amazed at the lack of support which you got but you will find people here far more dedicated than they are in the WLD forum as Internet crime is a relatively small part of their legal business.

    If this sort of thing goes on in Canada Dave, it eplains why a purported Canadian multi millionaire Bogdan Fiedur hired the most expensive British solicitor in UK to sue me. The solicitor decided not to issue a writ after SBM published information about Fiedur, showing him up as a person who ran an advertising board for virtually all scams and she also showed him up as a hard porn broker. There appears to have been no legal action against BoggyBoy in Canada.

    You may be able to glean some evidence for your cause to show that wealthy Canadians like Bogdan Fiedur get away with behaviour like this in his own country but is unable to enlist the help of refutable British solicitors or consumer advocate services like this one run by SBM in USA. You are welcome to contact me by e-mail or SKYPE if you wish to learn more about the exploits of BoggyBoy Fiedur in this RSthread. http://www.realscam.com/f11/bogdan-f...lscam-com-913/
    Bogdan is "big" with the Polish community in Canada - LinkPolonia

    His own website, LinkPolonia, reveals a lot of information, take a search through "Photos".

    If you thought the English site was filled with porn, you should take a look at this one!

    http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...19632516854366

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    Maybe Canadian officials will begin to start 'cleaning up' some of the big games playing there now.
    I am sure they will "scratchy" A French newspaper was the first to stand by Dave. Canadian ponzi board owner Bogdan Fiedur was laughed to scorn when he employed the most expensive UK solicitor to threaten me and RS. With France USA and UK ignoring threats by Canadian millionaires like BoggyBoy, they are unlikely to turn a blind eye much longer.

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    Who is Mitch??
    Mitch McDeere, that guy who did that "Are you asking the right questions about ZeekRewards" video. He's over at the ZeekRewards topic.

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    Mitch McDeere, that guy who did that "Are you asking the right questions about ZeekRewards" video. He's over at the ZeekRewards topic.
    Okay, thanks. I still can't find his blog - just missed it somewhere in here.

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    Hi guys

    Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.

    A senior administrator characterized Ron Mayfield as an energetic and experienced teacher who related well to his students; his death was tragic. Mr. Mayfield was accused by one of his students of a physical assault. In line with school policy, he was immediately suspended (with pay) and police and youth services were notified.
    While various investigations were carried out by many agencies, Mr. Mayfield was left on the sidelines. He was not kept abreast of actions and was left open to the rumour mill that swirled about in the school and the community. Unlike many such investigations, this one moved quickly and, within two weeks, it was clear that there was no substance to the charges. Further, the 13-year-old student had recanted his accusation.
    Unfortunately, no one in any of the agencies thought to inform Mr. Mayfield. Sadly, he committed suicide. While it may never be proven, his family (and many colleagues) share the view that Mr. Mayfield sought this drastic release because he could not bear the stain of a false accusation and the thought that his whole career was on the line. - end

    Just yesterday 8 female students were arrested in Ontario, Canada for criminal harassment. It is epidemic…. I have now been caught in a “web of deceit” perpetrated by two 13 year-old female students, arrested and prosecuted by willfully blind authority trying to "cherry pick" through recanted, contradictory, false and perjured testimony in an effort to sustain an unsustainable charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimeBustersNow View Post
    Hi guys

    Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.
    Hi Dave,

    You seem to have had all you can take at present. Don't let the Buggers get you down now. You record speaks loud and clear. You were one of the pioneers in this scam busting field and most of us at RS are behind you.

    You will be pleased to know that WLD have cleaned up their act and that most who posted abuse about you have left or been ridiculed.

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    Hi guys

    Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.

    A senior administrator characterized Ron Mayfield as an energetic and experienced teacher who related well to his students; his death was tragic. Mr. Mayfield was accused by one of his students of a physical assault. In line with school policy, he was immediately suspended (with pay) and police and youth services were notified.
    While various investigations were carried out by many agencies, Mr. Mayfield was left on the sidelines. He was not kept abreast of actions and was left open to the rumour mill that swirled about in the school and the community. Unlike many such investigations, this one moved quickly and, within two weeks, it was clear that there was no substance to the charges. Further, the 13-year-old student had recanted his accusation.
    Unfortunately, no one in any of the agencies thought to inform Mr. Mayfield. Sadly, he committed suicide. While it may never be proven, his family (and many colleagues) share the view that Mr. Mayfield sought this drastic release because he could not bear the stain of a false accusation and the thought that his whole career was on the line. - end

    Just yesterday 8 female students were arrested in Ontario, Canada for criminal harassment. It is epidemic…. I have now been caught in a “web of deceit” perpetrated by two 13 year-old female students, arrested and prosecuted by willfully blind authority trying to "cherry pick" through recanted, contradictory, false and perjured testimony in an effort to sustain an unsustainable charge.
    Dave, please don't let those thoughts get hold of you. There is an app connected with Facebook called "causes" and maybe if you use it to tell your story you could get support. It is just a suggestion and I know there are others in here that have better ways. Maybe if we all think on it someone will come up with a brilliant idea and help Dave.
    Don't get ripped off!! Stay informed!

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    BTW this is our assessment of Pigeon King International crimebustersnow.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Dave, please don't let those thoughts get hold of you. There is an app connected with Facebook called "causes" and maybe if you use it to tell your story you could get support. It is just a suggestion and I know there are others in here that have better ways. Maybe if we all think on it someone will come up with a brilliant idea and help Dave.
    That, Chipin and more would be avenues to seek some help. We are honored to have Dave here. He has fought heroically against scams!

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    Hi Dave,

    I followed your story on WLD and I was very impressed by your dedication to fighting Internet crime in Canada.

    RS has brought pressure on one of the biggest culprits (Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro) and people like Bogdan are loosing their control of the Internet there. You may be at a low ebb now and I can understand why but there are people on your side now.

    What is the name of that French magazine that took up your case? They did a lot to get your story into British papers and that gave you a break. If British TV and radio stood behind you again, it would be a great boost.

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    I am having real difficult time navigating the technicalities of the internet, and trying to work on my defense for court. I have been driven into poverty; thousands spent on court costs transcripts etc. I may lose my website and my services: That is what the criminals and the underbelly of the Canadian “judicial” system combine to do: Shut down whistleblowers using any tactics. In the end it comes down to finances.

    I have tried, without success to find out how to contact Karen Huff Klein, the school bus attendant in Greece, N.Y. who was bullied and received, at last count, $750,000 as a result of a Canadian fundraiser. I sure she would help. I can’t even figure how to contact the fundraiser or effectively “mine” Facebook and the Internet.

    I was a School Bus driver some years ago. I faced down a bus load of big tough high school bullies. Several of them began relentlessly pounding, what they described as a “nerd;” a kid half their size. From the time I heard the commotion and was able to stop the bus, they had already smashed his face in, broken his nose and were still relentlessly pummeling his head in. Without hesitation I moved halfway down the bus, turned with my back facing the kids, grabbed the bars on the back of the seats pushing backward knocking these students down in the aisle like dominoes, yelling at the beaten kid, “get off the bus, get off the bus.” He ran out of the bus and by this time these heavy set students were on their feet moving toward me. I weighed less than 160 pounds. I just stared at them and said in my loudest voice “Sit down.” They hesitate then started again moving toward me. Again I yelled “Sit down.” I sounded brave and authoritarian I guess, but my insides were quivering, my knees trembling. Suddenly they stopped and sat down. There wasn’t a sound. I could not believe it. To-day, over two decades later with the violence spread on the Internet and the new attitude, I’m sure it would have ended differently.

    I was later told… “Good job Dave,” but the rules are you’re not supposed to intervene in students’ altercations. You’re supposed to keep yourself safe and radio in for police assistance. What was I supposed to do: Stand there and watch this kid’s head, pounded and pummeled to a pulp, I had nightmares visualizing what would have happened had it been one of our female drivers.

    This student could well have been brain damaged or even killed. I simply reacted in relation to my upbringing. My dad, born in England, 1897, was in the trenches in W.W. 1 at 17 fighting for his country and the world. There was no hesitation when the boys were ordered out of the trenches to face the enemy “head on” at their peril: That’s all I did.
    I have fought against bullies since elementary school; sometimes with some bad repercussions, both to my body, my bicycle and other possessions. I fought against bullies and bigots in the workplace and on the street. Even against brutal police.

    And now taking on the likes of bullying RCMP, politicians and government personnel and the international money laundering criminals they are in a conspiracy with perpetrating these fraudulent schemes on the likes of seniors and students as young as 16 years of age intimidating the students, their parents, teachers who speak out, and this concerned Whistle-blower.

    But now, by driving me into poverty, they’ve taken away my weapons: The ability to print pamphlets and distribute them to students. These are the relentless lengths the Canadian government; my government will go to destroy an effective whistleblower. That is the abhorrent truth.

    dave

    Do you happen to know or recall that the Queen's own guard ran a £3 million Ponzi scheme within the Palace complete with intimidation and death threats... Check it out. Queen's Guard
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    Hi Dave,

    I followed your story on WLD and I was very impressed by your dedication to fighting Internet crime in Canada.

    RS has brought pressure on one of the biggest culprits (Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro) and people like Bogdan are loosing their control of the Internet there. You may be at a low ebb now and I can understand why but there are people on your side now.

    What is the name of that French magazine that took up your case? They did a lot to get your story into British papers and that gave you a break. If British TV and radio stood behind you again, it would be a great boost.
    That was the Quebec consumer magazine Protegez Vous. This is the link to the reduced version. Fraudes: David Thornton et Crime Busters Now, ennemis des fraudeurs | Protégez-Vous.ca

    I did not know that British TV and radio carried any of this!

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    Re: Any one have historical stuff on Pigeon King International?

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