George Dranichak may cave to fake lawyers letters or incentives, but I save my posts which are copyrighted to me.
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George Dranichak may cave to fake lawyers letters or incentives, but I save my posts which are copyrighted to me.
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Truthvs.Fiction 24.2.21.232.hsd1.mo.comcast.net
LetYourLightShine 24.2.21.232.hsd1.mo.comcast.net letyourlightshine2@hotmail.com
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Notice one of Jack Weinzierl's 9 ID's talks of 20+ years of growth for Advantage Conferences. He hilariously continues to sing his own praises like the arrogant, vain buffoon he is.
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Jack Weinzierl whines that Treasures for the Kingdom doesn't show up on the IRS website because it is such a new charity in June 2006. That bogus charity never showed up on the IRS website. It was a poorly conceived publicity stunt. Tim Darnell never filed anything with the IRS. He stole the names of two church's hoping to ride their coattails to 501 c 3 status, but they would have nothing to do with his bogus charity.
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Note after dozens of request Jack Weinzierl refuses to list the numerous charities he said Advantage Conferences was sponsoring (with the $2,000.00 honorarium to the 6 conference speakers at each event) so we can investigate them. Half of those charities did turn out to be bogus as the coming posts will show. Jack won't disclose the names of the conference speakers and he refuses to give any information related to proper disclosure of incomes being achieved at Advantage Conferences. Weinzierl is a man with a lot to hide. Good thing I archived all these posts. Having these posts removed from Scam just shows how dirty and dishonest Weinzierl really is. I have preserved the post completely unedited as I do practice transparency and do believe in accountability.
Soapboxmom
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SoapBoxDad (Jack Weinzierl) bragged:
Well where are you now, scammer boy? There is nothing to stop you from posting here and sharing your side of the story. And, why aren't you living the lifestyle of the rich and famous and quite comfortable financially? The Christian millionaires won't give you the time of the time of day will they, Weinzierl?Quote:
I will be here for years to come if need be.....I have my MBA from a prestigious CA university and I know that value we have here. I also greatly value the network of Christian millionaires that I may call on as potential partners. If I didn't, I surely wouldn't be here or building this business.
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Originally posted by SoapBoxDad
Gee Jack how do you get your miles long nose in any door? 98% of the reps lost money as confirmed by the BBB court papers and more recent calculations. Half of those were out thousands and thousands of dollars. What a liar!Quote:
Actually, no most all of the folks including me have received more value out of the conferences and training, not to mention some very good commissions well in excess of $100,000.
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SoapBoxDad is Jack Weinzierl. The way he is constantly singing his own praises is quite narcissistic, don't you think? Multiple personality disorder, perhaps? Does he spend every waking hour admiring his own reflection in a mirror?:
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SoapBoxDad 06-10-2006 08:53 PM Re: Advantages Conferences / Tim Darnell
SoapBoxMom, I refuse to stoop to your level except that you continue to spread lies (OK inaccuracies from another's definition) since you don't know or don't care to know the truth. You are one of the saddest individuals I have ever encountered.
So you keep claiming this pyramid scam label.
I have my MBA, have owned 3 multi-million dollar businesses and I consulted for 2 years billing out at $11,000 a week ($2,200 a day). I have attended 3 MMC conferences, have been on 100 training and coaching calls, and we are to believe you SBM who has no experience with Advantage Conferences? That might fly for your fan club that follows you from board to board here, but people can read the threads from the past two weeks and make up their own minds.
And you have an issue with a few people at the top of the business making a lot of the money? #1 since this is more direct sales than MLM a person can join AC 2 years from now and make more money than people building now. Once a person has qualified with only 2 or 3 sales, they earn 100% of the $7,000 commissions on the conference. If you understood the compensation plan and had experience with it, you would recognize that fact. In fact, I make many times per month what the person who introduced me to AC makes.
Also, this argument is just ridiculous for starters. Corporate America--tell the guys working on the Exxon rigs or better yet, the ones at the stations for $8.00 an hour, why their CEO received a $400 million package. I personally believe that is a ridiculous descrepancy, but it is a free market. Tell the Wal-Mart employees vs. the folks managing in Arkansas corporate. Is this a pyramid scam too?
OK, let's look a small business opportunity--
Look at the franchising industry. There are a lot of folks at corporate for Doctors Associates making millions, where their Subway franchisees make $55,000 a year or so on average. In fact, those successful Subway franchisees who have a regional master franchise may make $500,000 a year.
1) So is Subway, franchising, and corporate America a scam then?
2) Please show me a business as an entrepreneur that has a better relative risk/reward ratio.
3) Are you anti-success in general? Are you a capitalist? I applaud Jack, myself and others who are building this business full time already.
I and those here interested in the truth will wait for your answers.
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I pointed out to SoapBoxDad (Jack Weinzierl):
SoapBoxDad (Jack Weinzierl) says:Quote:
Oh and guys, to point out the obvious Daddio said there were 500 reps and 222 attendees. That suggest no outside sales. If there were outside sales and reps making money we would have a 5000 sales to 500 reps and at least a 10 to 1 customer to rep ratio. Or how about 50 to 1 customer to rep ratio which would be 25,000 sales. Even more reasonable if your reps are going to actually make any real money for any length of time would be 50,000 sales and 500 reps which would be a 100 to 1 customer to rep ratio. But we don't have that do we scammers? You have 500 reps and 300 10 grand sales according to SoapBoxDad, so whats that .6 sales per rep. Incomprehensibly pathetic!!!!
I was proven right when these Advantage Conferences clowns sued the Dallas Better Business Bureau and the 98% loss rate with many losing thousands and thousands was demonstrated by the documents Darnell was forced to turn over in his ridiculous harassment suit.Quote:
Someone else posted why would someone making $200K + post here. I ingored hate-filled posts (yes, personal attacks of slime, scammer, con, etc. is hate-filled) for too long. I will be on here every day for years to come to ensure that you cannot spread your hateful inaccuracies without innocent people having the opportunity to know what you stand for--and it's not truth. It is anti-MLM in any form agenda....
SoapBoxDad / Jack Weinzierl (saying he is not Jack Weinzierl )says:
That of course explains why Advantage Conferences and its virtually identical predecessor All-Star Entrepreneur (Tim Darnell founder) imploded into bankruptcy. There were many refund requests, but only two were honored. They were reps that Tim Darnell had reason to fear could sue him. That is straight out of the BBB case court records. Of course this also explains how the Summary Judgment which focused on how and why Advantage Conferences was a pyramid scheme was granted in all respects.Quote:
SoapBoxDad 06-13-2006 03:32 PM Re: Advantages Conferences / Tim Darnell
You are welcome to read the thread and yes, Advantage Conferences has incredible counsel that made sure that all aspects of our business from a use value perspective, as well as the compensation plan and NO requirement for product purchase from day 1, was 100% legal/compliant. In fact, with a full 100% guarantee in place at the past 3 MMC conferences, and over 220-230 attendees, there were only 2 refund requests. The value of the MMC and ongoing training and mentoring far exceeds any product cost. Although you will not likely agree with the model, there are several using a similar model in the marketplace that have stood up to legal test and time.
http://www.realscam.com/f11/advantag...weinzierl-770/
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