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    Scam.com gone forever?

    I wonder what happened there? I haven't been very active for a while as my favorite scam YTB is limping into the sunset and YTB's thread was pretty much dead in the water. But there were some other pretty well followed threads...

    Was it getting too soft on scams? Ohein and ChrisDoyle were loving it.

    Was the server hacked? Too tight with the porn scene? Will we EVER really know?

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Oh, I expect them to be back and be back soon. I have no earthly notion why it's offline but I'm sure it's for mundane technical reasons. Rumors that the server is offline while it's performing as an extra in low budget porn movies under the name the "Cisco Kid" are malicious exaggerations even if they're not complete fabrications.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    How cool is that? I get to practice my mod skills! Hmm. Next time - hard delete!!
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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    I see one of three possibilities why scam.com is offline.

    1.) Lenny's doing an entire revamp of the site to his liking. (Remember, he took a year of business at Heald College, so doing a site build should be no problem.)

    2.) George is so pissed at seeing his name come up constantly, that he pulled everything to prevent further embarrassment to him and his family.

    3.) Some disgruntled former member that got banned hacked the site out of spite and fubared everything.
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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Just my wild guess..

    If I recall.. Right before Len became an admin, for like a week or so, zero ads were showing up.. Nothing..

    Then right when the site turned to the 208# the line ads were gone and google display ads were up..

    Me thinks adsense cancelled the contract with scam, George.. Zach.. decided that if he changed it to the 208... then he could run the ads and google might never find out..

    Well they found out.. Why keep the site up if there is zero revenue..

    My other thought on why he made Len an admin in the first place was because Len promised him ad deals from mlms, kind of like rip off report does.. some company rips someone off, the customer reports it, then the company sees it, pays ripoff report to put in a "they are a legit company line"..

    For example look at this link this company has scammed hundred's if not thousands of people..but at the top.. "they are legit"

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/pools-sa...pool-94a2d.htm

    I could be way off..

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Howdy Fastmoney, it's good to see you man.

    I've heard any number of theories for the site being down, I suspect banal technical issues are still most likely but you make some interesting points. I haven't seen an ad on that site in a long time, after repeated disappointment with the owner I removed it from the list of websites I'd view ads on. So I can't verify your observations but your's is the first credible argument I've heard (except for the porn movie extra theory which is almost certainly false).

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    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!

    MLMers from all over the world are flocking to Las Vegas to congratulate computer programming genius, Len Clements, for taking out the hated SCAM.com without even breaking a sweat.

    When contacted by EyeWitless NEWS, Len was his typical modest self. "Aw shucks. It was nothin'. I just slapped a little of my COBOL, RPG, Pascual, Assembler, and Fortran onto that server and before you know it. POOF! It was the greatest day of my life. I have single-handedly made the internet safe for MLMers and our very fine products."

    A spontaneous MLM Victory Parade will be held on Saturday, June 26, at precisely 6:26 PM. All attendees will be rewarded with their own personal Yoli blast cap, plus an autographed picture of Len "I'm Smarter Than YOU" Clements.


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    Scam.com gone forever?

    Instead of speculating what happened over at scam.com, why doesn't somebody call Stephanie at the Northfield Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine Clinic and ask her?

    After all, that's her user name - sojustask (so-just-ask - in case somebody never caught it).

    Oh, and if you do call and talk to her, tell her we all miss her and give her our love. :cool:
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    Whatever the truth is about why Scam is down, no one will ever hear/learn the truth from George, or his minions "Lady" B**** or Lenny. I hope that cesspool stays just where it is and where it belongs, lost in cyberspace.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Scam.com gone forever?

    Instead of speculating what happened over at scam.com, why doesn't somebody call Stephanie at the Northfield Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine Clinic and ask her?

    After all, that's her user name - sojustask (so-just-ask - in case somebody never caught it).

    Oh, and if you do call and talk to her, tell her we all miss her and give her our love. :cool:
    Some one should ask her if she would like to be a mod here...

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by fastmoney View Post
    Some one should ask her if she would like to be a mod here...
    ...and then yell, "psyke!" at her, right? :p
    I'm sure a lot of us would like to be listening on the extension when THAT call goes through. :cool: Can you say, colorful language?:confused: Sure, I knew you could.:)

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Even if scam.com did come back, it really will not matter. They have lost too many of the good posters.

    The place became a joke once Clem was made Admin. I didn't bother posting in the MLM section after that.

    Though Lisa was really giving Clem hell. That made me smile.
    The trolls took over, and the mods cannot will not stand against them, the wimps.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    Whatever the truth is about why Scam is down, no one will ever hear/learn the truth from George, or his minions "Lady" B**** or Lenny. I hope that cesspool stays just where it is and where it belongs, lost in cyberspace.
    Why on earth would anyone ever again accept ANYTHING "sojustask" or Clements or "Zachary/George" says as in any way resembling a/the "truth" ???

    From their own mouth/mouths we have recently learned that for Scam.com "management" is is not only acceptable to lie, but also considered OK to continue and even embellish lying.

    Witness the groups' attempts to protect a/the owner WRT to concealing his identity,

    Witness the deliberate and often repeated blatant lie/s WRT the non existent sale of the forum.

    Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the unannounced disappearance of threads and posts.

    Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the fact such deletions not carried out in a manner designed to protect certain industries and/or posters by eliminating facts which left such industries and/or posters exposed.

    That's always a big problem when one finds oneself playing with skunks.

    No matter how "noble" the announced intentions of the skunk, the stench remains long after the offending animal has departed the scene.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Why on earth would anyone ever again accept ANYTHING "sojustask" or Clements or "Zachary/George" says as in any way resembling a/the "truth" ???

    From their own mouth/mouths we have recently learned that for Scam.com "management" is is not only acceptable to lie, but also considered OK to continue and even embellish lying.

    Witness the groups' attempts to protect a/the owner WRT to concealing his identity,

    Witness the deliberate and often repeated blatant lie/s WRT the non existent sale of the forum.

    Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the unannounced disappearance of threads and posts.

    Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the fact such deletions not carried out in a manner designed to protect certain industries and/or posters by eliminating facts which left such industries and/or posters exposed.

    That's always a big problem when one finds oneself playing with skunks.

    No matter how "noble" the announced intentions of the skunk, the stench remains long after the offending animal has departed the scene.

    Please allow me to respond to this and I'm only speaking for myself on this matter. I knew within two days of becoming a mod that the site was never sold to someone named "Zachary." On my second day of "modship," I accessed the mod control panel specifically to check out who I "worked" for. I checked the IPs of this "Zachary." Interestingly enough, the IPs never changed which was odd because at the time, WhoIs listed the registration as a George Dranichak, an address of an apartment in Toronto. The owner's ("Zachary") location was listed as Lisbao. Being in the travel industry all of my career, I was tipped off by that alone since it's Lisboa aka Lisbon. That's what led to the check on my part. "Zachary" then knowingly became "Zachary"-George Dranichak to me. With the IP not changing between George and "Zachary" (and the other 20 some screen names he created), the cat was out of the bag.

    There were a group of 4 mods that were in the "loop" and communicated. These mods were aware of the deception and eventually it was uncovered that "Zachary"-George was indeed a porn mogul and that scam.com was formerly a porn site. That is one reason the site was infiltrated with tons of porn spam which was there since the mid-1990s. It was never cleaned up until the new group of mods were hired. I did not make it known that "Zachary" was not the owner unless specifically asked directly and then I was honest. It was pointless to dig up the old threads that said he retired and sold the site only to respond to them and show him to be a liar, along with Lady Mod, aka sojustask, aka "Your Majesty," aka Stephanie, who did in fact lie directly on those threads about the change of ownership and that it was purchased by "two guys in South America" and then the story changed to this "Zachary" person. (DocBunkum provided those links to the threads which I was not aware of at the time.) When I directly asked Lady Mod in a PM after her return from her so called resignation, she lied to me directly and said the site had been sold and to "drop it." (PM available in my file for verification.)

    Again, and only speaking for myself as a mod, I personally handled two outing of "Zachary"-George which were both posted on the Internet Scams forum. I did not delete them and should the site come back up or be resurrected, they can be found there. However, I did not comment on them out of courtesy to the unappreciative and nonresponsive owner, George Dranichak.

    Although not accused of lying, I did not disclose this information publicly. For me personally, it was an ethical problem and issue with me from the beginning but did not interfere with the site. I did express this to the "loop" but took it no further until Len became an ADMIN and Stephanie continued the farce. By this time, I was no longer a mod and everything was fair game to me regarding this because Len questioned my integrity for banning him when the "Who is Len Clements Anyway?" thread disappeared. Len still says that I knew that he did not delete the thread when in fact I said I suspected that it was deleted by the ADMIN (George). Len was NOT an ADMIN at the time of the deletion but he was a mod and could have deleted it. I still suspect that it was deleted by George but I cannot prove it. And in my opinion, it would not have been deleted without a request from Len to do so because George just plain didn't give a crap about the site or posts that didn't threaten legal action.

    It has been discussed with another mod that I am close to if Len even knew that "Zachary" and George are one in the same or if he was in the dark up until 2 or 3 weeks ago. We do not know. He knows now if he read the forums there and the other boards, which being Len, I'm positive he has.

    I hope this sets the record straight as far as I am concerned. I did not lie about the change of ownership and I do not know of any other mods (with the exception of Lady Mod) that did so, Len included. That is debatable though. We simply don't know what he was told. I'm personally giving him the benefit of the doubt (which based upon my experience, it probably an error in judgement).
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    Mods - Please note that I did not use the title of "MLM Forum Board Whore" or "DoucheBag" in my above post. Thank you for making me suffer. Life is tough.
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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Thanks for the background info. My feeling is the site was shut down intentionally. I wonder what changes are in store when they're back online.

    I had to laugh at myself yesterday. On break at school, I tried to log on at scam.com. The page went to blank white, I held my breath for a couple of seconds thinking, "it's back up!". Nope.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by walksthedogs View Post
    Thanks for the background info. My feeling is the site was shut down intentionally. I wonder what changes are in store when they're back online.

    I had to laugh at myself yesterday. On break at school, I tried to log on at scam.com. The page went to blank white, I held my breath for a couple of seconds thinking, "it's back up!". Nope.
    Considering that many of the members of scam.com are coming here (and this forum has not even been here long!)

    If the ownership of scam.com did not change, and things were basically the same as before......

    Would you really want to go back there and participate?
    The trolls took over, and the mods cannot will not stand against them, the wimps.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Would you really want to go back there and participate?
    I forget exactly how long ago talks of making this site became "serious." The notion of a scam site being run the way a scam site should be has long been something of a "salve" to the frustration of playing magic spam removing monkey on the old site. For as how screwed up I knew the place was, I still could look at the people it helped and could find some comfort in being a small part of that, but the events of the last month or so really changed that. I don't need to rehash, we all saw them. But one thing you have to credit the place for, it was almost a SERP force of nature. I've seen newly created threads on that site land in the top five search results on fairly crowded topics in only a few hours. This was fairly awesome.

    Even before scam went down I knew it was well within our ability to attract some really first rate scam busters, of course I'd never take them for granted but I knew that wasn't going to be our problem. Our problem is and will be getting found by victims, potential victims and the scammers who prey on them. This has been a topic of much conversation with RS and I have to admit, I don't know SEO but I like the answers he's coming up with. Plans are being implemented to leverage what little content we have in a way to make us as visible as possible to the spiders and search bots. I have no idea how long it will take before we begin to draw the type of organic traffic to feed our "cycle." We need people coming here looking for answers, we need busters to offer those answers, we need "promoters" to argue with the busters. Getting all three will take a lot of work and we knew that before we started. Before scam went the way it did of late that all seemed to me like an insurmountable obstacle, but after scam went the way it did I decided I'd rather try and risk failing than continue to contribute to the very prominent but mortally flawed scam.com. At the moment scam isn't even an option, but for me that doesn't change even if they return.

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    Re: Scam.com gone forever?

    Len has known since he became and admin that George owned the site. I was told by Stephanie that Len dug up George's phone number and actually called him and convinced him to make Len an admin. I've found no reason to not believe this.

    As for the site, if it did come back up I'd still continue posting on it. However, my primary forum has always been the political one and there are some posts and posters there that I do miss.


    As for the google ads theory, I've also asked Steve (YWFT) about this and he and I both remember seeing google ads before the address changed from scam to the IP address and we both also remember ads being up right before it disappeared. Not only that, but even if George did lose his google ads account there are literally dozens of other advertising networks that he could've switched too.

    I think the site is just down. I was getting a lot of "server busy" messages before the site completely blanked out.

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    I stopped posting on Scam when Tom quit. That was it for me. Then came the Len being made an admin and the banning of SBM. That sealed their fate for me. I already knew about the Zach/George thing and his sordid background and the lies and that bothered me. The allowed/unmoderated bigotted, homophoblic, racial, anti-semitic and sick posts on the Political forum became increasingly vile and repugnant for me as well. Scam became a festering boil, which finally burst. I could no longer stand it. The decent Mods hands were tied, slapped and it was not their fault. It was the owners and the SuperMod and finally the Admin. Quality was never a concern on that site, it was all about quantity and sheer numbers. It was a hot mess and had been so for years. I cannot imagine why anyone would continue to support that hell hole, frankly. There is very little of value there. Very little. It's too out of control in many areas and too much control in others. Too many issues, too many aholes over there. It's the most dysfunctional site that I have ever seen on the net.

    If the site ever does come up, I suggest a mass pm campaign by the former members here to all the decent posters over there to give them a link to this site.

    If the site ever does return, it holds nothing for me and for many others. I will never participate there. Things will not improve, they will only get worse and the damage is done. Far too much water under the bridge for me and far too much mistreatment of decent members and the quality Mods and the promotion and support of the scum admin and slime supermod and the worst of the members over there in all the forums. The other forums have all gone to crap as well in the last several months. The only thing it had going was it's rankings in the searches. That can be obtained with work and time over here as well. The good bots will help with that.

    While this site is a baby in the making, all great sites start out the same. This place already has more going for it in it's format, it's Mods, having Wserra in the background if needed, it's intent, it's feel, some of the better posters from Scam and the fact that those in charge actually care about the members and the site, really want to provide a service to the public at large, they actually will participate and tweak and improve things, they listen to the members, etc. It will just take time. That's all, just time. Things will expand and improve here, I am sure of that. It's obvious to me that the commitment is clearly there by the Mods and the owner(s). Don't know who he/she /they are...doesn't matter. The b.s. that took place on a daily basis on Scam and was par for the course for so long, will not happen here. There will be no more stories, lies, threats, sick, vile, immoral posts, rants, meltdowns, MLMers promoting their products and trolling for recruits, links to dating sites for married men, soap operas, deletions, trolling and mis-placed agendas. This place is a breath of fresh air, that starting from the ground up, can be molded and developed into a great site.

    It must have been a helluva lot of work to decide to create this site and execute it. Very time consuming, too technical for most of us to accomplish and a lot of time to keep it going, keep adapting it to the needs of the site and it's members and monitor it. Everyone hated and crabbed about Scam for so many valid reasons for so very long, but someone, or a group of "someones" went out and actually did something about it, and I think that's really admirable. Things happen for a reason. The meltdown over at Scam and then the evolution of this site. I find that really great! I hope the members will work hard in their own ways to bring quality posts and subjects to this site, p.r. this site on other sites and blogs and again, invite others, and if Scam emerges again at some point, start the pm campaign asap and each of us do our part to support this valiant effort to the owner(s) of this new site. We owe them that much at least. Along the way, we should have some fun. The entire vibe around here is so much cleaner, more free and neater. Babies eventually grow up and so will this site.

    Kudos to the Mods, the Admins and the Owners!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    I stopped posting on Scam when Tom quit. That was it for me. Then came the Len being made an admin and the banning of SBM. That sealed their fate for me. I already knew about the Zach/George thing and his sordid background and the lies and that bothered me. The allowed/unmoderated bigotted, homophoblic, racial, anti-semitic and sick posts on the Political forum became increasingly vile and repugnant for me as well. Scam became a festering boil, which finally burst. I could no longer stand it.
    Here's the deal with the political forum - sure we had some crazy posts and posters who rarely offered any real value or input on the site. BUT they were still allowed to post. There is all this talk of "free speech" within the US yet many webpages and political forums try to restrict this - scam let the crazies post right along with the sane people. And every now and then even the crazies would post something worth reading. You knew you could go there and say exactly what you thought about current events and you would not get banned, your post would not get edited, and you would not be told to change what you say to please someone else. Sure, this made the forum a little difficult to navigate since new members would have to wade through the ridiculous posts and threads to find the good stuff. But I've posted on a lot of different political forums and having the capability to say whatever you want is rare. You can complain that it was a hot mess, and I won't disagree.

    But there were also some really good discussions that took place there, some really good posts and threads, some real decent people that posted.

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    Thanks, Father. How are you hanging? Good to see you here.

    On a note of support, there are hundreds of sites and blogs and resources out there for anti MLM info. A link to this site can be easily added in comments secition of articles, stories or whatever on those sites. Same with forums that allow it. such as "I have a really good source for a new forum about such and such, here is the link", etc. That is something we can all participate in and do at our leisure to help promote this place. Even Google answers....people are always talking about MLMs and links can be used in any of the answers there. Just all kinds of places out on the net to help promote this site. Be creative and work on this when you can. 30 minutes a day. If we all do it, will make a big difference. This place has given us a new opportunity and a haven from Scam and it can be built up into something really worthwhile if we all try very hard to do just that. Let's show our support and appreciation for the owner(s), the Admins and the Mods here!!! The hell with Scam. Old news! New day here!!! New day now!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    There is all this talk of "free speech" within the US yet many webpages and political forums try to restrict this -
    The First Amendment does not apply to blogs or forums.

    The First Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. The Amendment states:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

    It concerns the government and itís ability to prohibit free speech via the enactment of laws.

    Bloggers and Forum owners have the right to set rules, change them and control content. Responsible ones do it every day as a matter of course.

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    I know that Emet. The internet has no country, this has been discussed at length in the political section of scam.com.

    However scam was one of very few sites that allowed political discussions to be almost entirely unmoderated and unaltered which is appealing to some. It had it's downsides, but it had it's benefits as well. In fact, I have never found another site that allowed this.

    What I meant by "a lot of talk of free speech within the US", was that people both on the internet and in real life complain about their First Amendment rights and their inability to actually say anything they want. Especially online with political forums, there are things you can't say or do. There's a reason as to why a lot of sites choose to do this, but scam's political section was almost entirely unrestricted - the only thing that got you in trouble was calling out a mod for the job they were doing, posting someone's personal information, or spamming the forum. Someone like David Ben Ariel could post the most racist and stupid things I've ever seen in my life, but they wouldn't be deleted.

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