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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    Elena sent a scan of that page to someone who she later scammed.
    Whom would that be? I've never sent it to a single person, only to payment processors. So which one of the payment processors claims to be my victim?

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    Perfect Money? Payza? SolidTrustPay? Liberty Reserve? e-gold? ECUmoney? HD-money? Half of them are busted for money laundering, the other half are about to get busted. Some victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Listen to what?
    Details, details, details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    no one thoroughly discussing advertising
    It doesn't need public discussions. You either need it or you don't, and if you don't need it, don't buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    All this talk about The Lord, Paypal, a bank in Dubai, and jealousy
    Talk is cheap, on both sides alike. They still have to make a purchase through the website and agree to TOS before becoming members. Ignoring this part of the process is convenient for haters, but it exists as a process step.

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    Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Talk is cheap, on both sides alike. They still have to make a purchase through the website and agree to TOS before becoming members. Ignoring this part of the process is convenient for haters, but it exists as a process step.
    I get what (you and) Stacy are saying...I really do. You buy ads, to go on other peoples sites. Therefore you are 'exchanging traffic'. That's the 'service' you pay for. And sometimes those clicks result in sales. I agree, no argument there.

    But the fact is, the SERVICE YOU PAY FOR, is REFUNDED TO YOU. And then, you get a little bonus on top.
    So Charles is making a LOSS, on every 'pack'.

    You can argue back and forth about all the rubbish that Charles sprouts about his bank etc, but you can't argue that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Talk is cheap, on both sides alike. They still have to make a purchase through the website and agree to TOS before becoming members. Ignoring this part of the process is convenient for haters, but it exists as a process step.
    Ah, the old "it's all in the ToS" excuse.

    When exactly did that one work last ??

    Umnn, how about "never"

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    SD had a ToS members had to acknowledge

    Zeek had a ToS members had to acknowledge.

    In fact, come to think of it, every modern ponzi has a ToS members have to acknowledge

    They are still illegal, they are still going to collapse and, if they are big enough, those behind them still get prosecuted

    And the attention seekers of this world will STILL bring up the ToS as an excuse to gain the attention they so desire.
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    Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    It doesn't need public discussions.
    It does need public discussion if people are actually selling advertising. I am speaking only in regard to the audience of this website that hope not to be scammed. Absence of substantial business discussions coupled with omnipresent blather of making money is a telltale red flag for these types of scams.

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    You either need it or you don't, and if you don't need it, don't buy it.
    Even if you need it, buy it elsewhere. Woo peddlers are the only group of advertisers that want people so desperate they will click on ads for fractions of a penny.

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Talk is cheap, on both sides alike.
    Yet the haters are continually right about fraud after fraud. Not that it's any heavy lift.

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    They still have to make a purchase through the website and agree to TOS before becoming members. Ignoring this part of the process is convenient for haters, but it exists as a process step.
    I've certainly never ignored it, purdy sure I have tossed around the word "idiot" now and again. People need to think critically before they send money off willy nilly.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    But the fact is, the SERVICE YOU PAY FOR, is REFUNDED TO YOU. And then, you get a little bonus on top.
    So Charles is making a LOSS, on every 'pack'.
    This is the game part, first come, first served, and it ends in tears for many, but only because they don't take their agreement to TOS seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Even if you need it, buy it elsewhere.
    You can't build a PTC empire during the lifespan of a program like TM, why buy it somewhere else if it covers almost the entire niche?

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    Illegal activity makes any Terms of Service agreement invalid.

    In fact, equally as invalid as the arguments put forward claiming the Terms of Service has any relevance.
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    Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    You can't build a PTC empire during the lifespan of a program like TM,
    Who wants a PTC empire other than Woo peddlers?

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    why buy it somewhere else if it covers almost the entire niche?
    That niche is screwing people who don't know any better out of cash under the guise of TM somehow being a legitimate business structure.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Illegal activity makes any Terms of Service agreement invalid.
    In the court of law. In the court of reality, if you take all of your contracts seriously, criminal or otherwise, you can't lose, and if you don't take them seriously, you are cheating yourself.

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    And the second nominee, in the category of "Worlds' Worst Motivational Speaker in Support of a Failed Ponzi" is:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Who wants a PTC empire
    People who need extra income, but don't have specific online skills to do something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    People who need extra income, but don't have specific online skills to do something else.
    In other words Woo peddlers. Those at the top have a skill for grifting, the 99% at the bottom would be better served earning a few skills.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Those at the top have a skill for grifting, the 99% at the bottom would be better served earning a few skills.
    Like in any profession, if they stick around long enough and work hard enough, they'll make it to the top eventually. If they don't, they are down the food chain, in the industry or in the real world.

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    Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Like in any profession, if they stick around long enough and work hard enough, they'll make it to the top eventually. If they don't, they are down the food chain, in the industry or in the real world.
    To be the top in the "industry" one must be dishonest, manipulative and wanting to knowingly rip off the most destitute and desperate. Hard work isn't always a hallmark of the top scammers.

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    Re: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Like in any profession, if they stick around long enough and work hard enough, they'll make it to the top eventually.
    Bullshit. There is no profession where this is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    If they don't, they are down the food chain, in the industry or in the real world.
    This statement contradicts your last.

    Aptitude, work ethic, attitude, and luck all play a part in the real wold. In endless recruiting impossible math means 95%+++ lose no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    To be the top in the "industry" one must be dishonest, manipulative and wanting to knowingly rip off the most destitute and desperate. Hard work isn't always a hallmark of the top scammers.
    The top of the industry is not thieves, actually, it's third parties - payment processors, large forums, hosting services, security services, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    The top of the industry is not thieves, actually, it's third parties - payment processors, large forums, hosting services, security services, etc.
    And the ebil gubmint, don't forget the ebil gubmint.

    Oh, and the Rothschilds.

    Oh, Oh and the Illuminati
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    And the ebil gubmint, don't forget the ebil gubmint.

    Oh, and the Rothschilds.

    Oh, Oh and the Illuminati
    Only in your twisted mind, no one else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    There is no profession where this is the case.
    It's true for every profession: 1% is talent, 99% is work and perseverance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    To be the top in the "industry" one must be dishonest, manipulative and wanting to knowingly rip off the most destitute and desperate.
    If they want to learn this particular skill, I highly recommend one of your admins as a role model. If they want to make it to the top of the industry, they need to drop BS and learn computer skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E2014T View Post
    Only in your twisted mind, no one else's.
    You know how it is.

    Sometimes the only way to deal with absurdity is with even more absurdity
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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