Thread: Len... he's a wimp

I guess I should tell the little wimp that RS is our dashing and debonair owner. RS, bless his heart, brought me onboard first and asked me to admin. So, this wonderful place is not mine technically, but everything I do here is very much a labor of love. This site means the world to me. Lenny and his cesspool have got to be run out of Dodge! Oh, does anyone hear something happening on the Scam.com Titanic?

Soapboxmom

He technically did not draw a conclusion, he made four independent statements of fact. He did so in a way that invites a conclusion but it's arguable if he himself drew it. I don't know exactly where the law makes the distinction but it isn't like Len has anything worth suing his pimpled, low rent ass for to begin with. I am sure however if anyone but him had posted a similarly baseless and potentially actionable libel against, say any MLM company, he'd go ballistic. But it isn't like we didn't know the scum bag was a hypocrite long before this.

http://www.realscam.com/f22/len-hes-....html#post1029

The hilarious part is that libel law is a criminal statute, so the DA and not little ol Mom here could be his problem if he isn't careful. LOL!!!

firstamendmentcenter.org: analysis

Soapboxmom

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

He's not worth fighting. He will destroy that board all by himself.

Just my two cents.

Couldn't she block him from coming here and destroying this one?

Originally Posted by Clueless Clements

The site was down due to a Denial of Service attack on the server.

This requires access to some sophisticated technical knowledge. SBM's husband is involved in the computer technology industry. SBM's website opened the exact same day this site went down.......

Err, no, Clueless.

In fact most of the DDOS attacks on this end of the 'net are the work of teenaged geeks and are carried out on a "for hire" basis.

Just zip on over to IRC and put out a few feelers and you'll be able to hire as many "warbots" as you like for under $100.

Well, maybe not "you" but any normal person could do it in next to no time.

As for anyone engaging in legal action or having Clueless banned, might I suggest this would be entirely the wrong course of action to take.

IM(very)HO it would be of far more benefit to actually ENCOURAGE Clements to continue with his current course of action.

There seems to be that extra amount of satisfaction to be had as one watches ones' target destroy him or herself without the need to become involved.

Clements behaviour reminds me of the Australian legend of the "Great Australian Hoop Snake"

Ignored and disliked by its' peers, yet so convinced of its' own importance, this legendary creature decided to prove its' superiority and embarked on the task of capturing its' own tail.

It spent countless hours spinning 'round and 'round in ever decreasing circles until the inevitable happened and the snake disappeared up its' own anal pore.



Don't forget to wave goodbye when it happens, Lenny.

Lenny,

Where are you lad? Are you parked out on you roof waiting for my flyby on the ol' broomstick? You know you have some scammer buddies that are having the same problems you are with their delusions getting the best of them. One poor sap declared I made up the court papers I post, but the best are still those stalking allegations. No doubt those are based on the sighting of me on the ol' stick. Maybe we should be discussing the aerodynamics of the magic wands you were so anxious to test. No doubt the folks here and those back at your old haunt JREF would love to assist you in such earth shattering adventures in discovery. Should I drop a pizza on the roof for you lad at your luxury mansion there, or should I just drop your mansion on you???


LOL!!!!!

Soapboxmom

Well, she's tried twice, and two times the unfair umpire has struck her down.
Not with words, oh no, but with the lone superpower he has in his toolbelt.
So, she steps up a third time...

The rules of this forum...

Will he take the debait?
Or will this be strike three for the all powerful Clem?

Originally Posted by Sojustask

Couldn't she block him from coming here and destroying this one?

Oh, most likely. But at this point, he's providing comic relief. I think I can say pretty confidently that everyone here is waiting with baited breath to see if MWave is going to show up, again, and put his foot in his mouth by being just so unbelievably clueless as to how he comes across.

06-30-2010, 10:46 AM
MWave
Administrator Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 812


Re: The rules of this forum...

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Lisa, I've tried responding to your personal attacks, I've tried ignoring you, and now I've even tried reasoning with you by private PM. Nothing works. I know you are trying so, so hard to get me to ban you so you can show off your new badge of honor over at SBM's cesspool that's she's forming, but you're not going to get your wish.

So tell you what... you can use this thread to vent all of your hatred and venom towards me. Go nuts. Smear this thread up all you want. Just keep it in this thread.

And BTW, to all the trolls who just started to salivate as they read that, this only applies to Lisa.

Have fun.

Len

Gee whiz, boy, do you call every place you have visited and made a horse's rear end out of yourself on a "cesspool" I think the only element that these many alleged "cesspools" have in common is the fact you are posting on them. Are you watching for my wand... er broomstick overhead still?

Soapboxmom

Lenny,

Shouldn't you be on your admin panel at your own "cesspool." The readership is down by around 70% I would bet and the # of posts has dropped by about 90% I imagine. Isn't your porn mogul owner that you are in bed with going to be thrilled with those stats. I am very familiar with the admin panel by the way. Did you zap away the ads, boy?

About the only topic of discussion over there is little Lenny himself. Anyone left over there that posts in a forum other than the political forum is just yanking the boys chain all over the place. He is going to require years of therapy after his stint ove there. No doubt her ladyship will finish him off soon!

Soapboxmom

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Lenny,

Isn't your porn mogul owner that you are in bed with going to be thrilled with those stats?

Soapboxmom

I take it you're referring to George Dranichak, the owner of scam.com?

The guy that posts all over the internet under a variety of names?

Such as: posted by SexBrowsing For Women

Where he advertises scam.com on his blog: Scam.com Link Page

SexBrowsing For Women - Like shopping for Sex

I take it you give tacit approval to George for the way he denigrates women, do you Lenny?

I mean, after all, he's your "boss" and you're working to improve his forum, which in turn drives more revenue into his pockets.

Nothing wrong with what George does for a living, is there Lenny?

As long as you get back at your detractors, what else matters.

So I'm going to post a full version of the PM's Len and I exchanged here. I can't post them on scam because it would violate the rules since I was critical of his job as an admin.

Originally Posted by lisan23
I've twice now started posts that DO NOT violate the rules calling you out for taking threads off topic then blaming others and you've deleted both of them without just cause. Neither one of the original thread starters violated the rules since calling you out on that has NOTHING to do with you being an administrator.

Give me an explanation as to why you're not willing to publicly address my valid complaints against you.

Originally Posted by MWave

If you are still not clear on what the rules are as they pertain to taking a thread "off topic" I'll try to help you. They are EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ALWAYS WERE! If you're overall post is on topic, you - and ME! - are allowed to throw in a superfluous comment that might be unrelated to the topic. You don't have to make every single word ofevery post precisely on topic. That would be kind of silly, wouldn't it? However, if your entire post is off topic, then that might be a violation. The exception would be if I make an entirely off topic post and you then respond to it. In that case I would be the rule violator, not you.

So, to be clear, if SOMEONE ELSE makes an off topic post that is directed at me, and then I respond to it, the FIRST post is the one that took the thread off topic, not the SECOND one.

I don't know why you suddenly became obsessed with attacking me, Lisa, but Scam.com is about exposing scams, not petty grudges. Get over it and move on. There are a myriad of things for you to argue about on Scam.com besides whether or not I take threads off topic.

Now please, can we have a truce? Will you please go back to doing what ever it was you did before I got here?

Len

Me starting a thread in the Chat Here section about you making statements causing threads to go off topic then blaming others is not going off topic on someone else's thread nor is it in violation of any of the rules. Yet you've deleted 2 of the posts about that very subject now. Peregrine was allowed to not only call me out in the political section, but then further call me out in the chat here section. People on this site are ABSOLUTELY allowed to call one another out in the chat here section, which I did while completely abiding by the rules. You deleted my posts with absolutely NO valid reason. I asked you in PM to provide me with a reason WHY you were deleting my posts that were NOT rule violations and you haven't given me any reasons at all.

You want a truce? Then resign as an admin. The reason I have a problem with you being an admin is because you haven't earned your stripes on this site. You haven't been here nearly as long as so many other mods and members and you didn't earn the position you were given. So as long as you are an admin you will get ZERO respect from me in regards to your position. You didn't earn it and you don't deserve it.

Maybe... just maybe I would've considered a truce before I saw how you treated Katie, but now? Not a chance in hell. She has ALWAYS been one of the nicest and sweetest posters on this site. Yet the way you talked to her because she disagreed with you? Does it make you feel like a stronger man to tell a woman online that you have the ***** to do whatever you want despite her? Ya... you're tough **** Len.

Originally Posted by MWave
Katie attacked ME first! We were having a perfectly fine, albeit spirited debate until SHE made it personal in posts #56 and #62. I've never taken a thread off topic! I've responded to off-topic attacks against me! Nothing you're saying is actually happening!

I tried to be reasonable. But you are a freaking nut job. I'm going to continue to participate in the discussion on this board, and if you want to argue with me over the points I make that's fine. But your rampage of hatred and personal attacks are over. Post them all you want. They will be deleted. We're done.

Len

AGAIN - pointing out where you take threads off topic then blame others for being off topic in those same threads is NOT a personal attack, regardless of that personal attacks are not a violation of the rules. So please provide me with a legitimate reason why I can't call you names? It's not against the rules and I don't have to like you. Are you creating your own new rules that you're going to enforce? If so, I think you should make the rest of the board aware of it. Oh, and are you going to go through and delete all your posts where you personally attacked someone? Or how about post #46 in the berryview thread which is an actual violation of the rules (criticizing a moderator on the forum)?

Oh wait, that's right. Because George decided to give you the title admin (however from all the admissions of what you can't do it's now clear to everyone that you have no more ***** than moderators, you just have a fancy name to go with it) YOU don't have to follow the rules anymore.

the FIRST post is the one that took the thread off topic, not the SECOND one.

Who's on first?

OMG! What a flippin egomaniacal chicken **** he is! After reading those pm's I went back and checked those two posts.... guess what? he EDITED #56 and took out the line where I was proving he had started the whole mess. #62? That post was for MUMBLES and there is nothing personal that I could imagine him taking offense at..

Originally Posted by Katiescorner

OMG! What a flippin egomaniacal chicken **** he is! After reading those pm's I went back and checked those two posts.... guess what? he EDITED #56 and took out the line where I was proving he had started the whole mess. #62? That post was for MUMBLES and there is nothing personal that I could imagine him taking offense at..

Which it is why it is a losing battle to have a forum discussion with someone who can do that, and not worth it, IMO.
At least the JREF forums are preserved forever. (As well as the MLM forum rant, which was preserved before it was deleted.)

I have to confess.. I've often heard the Len/Chris Doyle are two peas in a pod but hadn't seen it with my own two eyes until today.

We are going to need another thread just for his idiocy!

Originally Posted by Bruceinvt View Post
It is NOT right to change thread titles as one sees fit UNLESS it is changed by the original poster. That's it Chris. It is not right. Just because Big Brother can do no wrong in your eyes many of us feel differently. You are coming off as a bloody sycophant as you follow your fearless leader around scam.com.

Chris Doyles response:

]Of course its right, when a statement is made about someone that is blatantly wrong. Its like me posting on here that ''Bruce is a murderer''. When its quickly proven that you are not, you would want that removed, I know I would.

By saying a company is a scam, you are saying that its defrauding someone. That has to be removed/changed if they are not.

Of course we could have avoided all this, by the OP using the title ''Is Berryview a scam?''. Thats not making a statement that it is or it isnt.

The scary thing is, when traffic does pick up over there Len will need some mods he's on the same page with. At least Kerry will be able to show Chris where they keep the ban hammer.

Originally Posted by Katiescorner

I have to confess.. I've often heard the Len/Chris Doyle are two peas in a pod but hadn't seen it with my own two eyes until today.

They seem to me to be about as obnoxious, unpleasant and dishonest as each other, but there are differences, too: in my judgement Doyle really is as stupid as he seems, whereas Lenny's actually a reasonably intelligent guy - albeit a complete bullshitter - just doing some very stupid things recently. One of my theories is that he may just be hell-bent on damaging his now-awful reputation still further in some kind of twisted attempt to salvage it. His behavior's really hard to understand, anyway, but one way or another, given what's going on in so many different forums at the moment, it certainly looks like "game over" for Lenny as far as any online career as an "MLM consultant" is concerned, doesn't it? Which a great shame in a way: sad in principle to see someone on tilt to such an extent. Just my opinion.

Lenny's actually a reasonably intelligent guy

Would you care to further explain that statement? I'm actually being serious, why do you draw that conclusion.?

just doing some very stupid things recently.

Actually, he's been doing the same thing over and over and over and over for years.

BTW, Welcome, Ernie!

Katie - I feel your pain. When Lenny changed the title of the Berryview thread, that shows his total lack of integrity. You have an option. I suggest you exercise it. Leave him stranded. You could always return once he's removed (and trust me, he will be).

Hmmmmm. Is that just a tilt or a flush for that MLM "court certified expert" / MLM guru career????

Soapboxmom

Copied this for Katie, It's a screen shot of Post #56 in which she just noticed something at the bottom.



It says,

Last edited by MWave : 06-28-2010 at 12:59 AM.

Originally Posted by Emet

Which it is why it is a losing battle to have a forum discussion with someone who can do that, and not worth it, IMO.
At least the JREF forums are preserved forever. (As well as the MLM forum rant, which was preserved before it was deleted.)

Do you have his rant about SCAM.com? I'd like to see that again.

Thanks Nomaxim.. Glim noticed I was off track slightly.. I thought he had taken out my quote. What he actually removed was the last line where I was talking about being able to buy your way into Mensa. HOWEVER.. it was also noticed that he quoted me before he removed that line.

The point remains the same... he should not have edited any part of my post especially something like that.. it had nothing to do with him. Who wants to bet that he will come back claiming I was "hurting" Mensas reputation by stating that and this is why he removed it? Since he reads this I really shouldn't be giving him a way out but I bet that's what he claims.

Originally Posted by Lisa

So I'm going to post a full version of the PM's Len and I exchanged here. I can't post them on scam because it would violate the rules since I was critical of his job as an admin.

Originally Posted by lisan23
I've twice now started posts that DO NOT violate the rules calling you out for taking threads off topic then blaming others and you've deleted both of them without just cause. Neither one of the original thread starters violated the rules since calling you out on that has NOTHING to do with you being an administrator.

Give me an explanation as to why you're not willing to publicly address my valid complaints against you.




Me starting a thread in the Chat Here section about you making statements causing threads to go off topic then blaming others is not going off topic on someone else's thread nor is it in violation of any of the rules. Yet you've deleted 2 of the posts about that very subject now. Peregrine was allowed to not only call me out in the political section, but then further call me out in the chat here section. People on this site are ABSOLUTELY allowed to call one another out in the chat here section, which I did while completely abiding by the rules. You deleted my posts with absolutely NO valid reason. I asked you in PM to provide me with a reason WHY you were deleting my posts that were NOT rule violations and you haven't given me any reasons at all.

You want a truce? Then resign as an admin. The reason I have a problem with you being an admin is because you haven't earned your stripes on this site. You haven't been here nearly as long as so many other mods and members and you didn't earn the position you were given. So as long as you are an admin you will get ZERO respect from me in regards to your position. You didn't earn it and you don't deserve it.

Maybe... just maybe I would've considered a truce before I saw how you treated Katie, but now? Not a chance in hell. She has ALWAYS been one of the nicest and sweetest posters on this site. Yet the way you talked to her because she disagreed with you? Does it make you feel like a stronger man to tell a woman online that you have the ***** to do whatever you want despite her? Ya... you're tough **** Len.



AGAIN - pointing out where you take threads off topic then blame others for being off topic in those same threads is NOT a personal attack, regardless of that personal attacks are not a violation of the rules. So please provide me with a legitimate reason why I can't call you names? It's not against the rules and I don't have to like you. Are you creating your own new rules that you're going to enforce? If so, I think you should make the rest of the board aware of it. Oh, and are you going to go through and delete all your posts where you personally attacked someone? Or how about post #46 in the berryview thread which is an actual violation of the rules (criticizing a moderator on the forum)?

Oh wait, that's right. Because George decided to give you the title admin (however from all the admissions of what you can't do it's now clear to everyone that you have no more ***** than moderators, you just have a fancy name to go with it) YOU don't have to follow the rules anymore.

Now there's an idea I can back!!!