Textex's Amway Is The Trunk Of The MLM Tree, Let's Chop It Down Thread Gone Wild!

[nomaxim]

Well, I logged into PACER and ran a search for "AMWAY'. Out of the 310 civil cases listed I checked about 10 before I found this 64 page complaint against Amway. This procedure took about 10 minutes.

The basics of the complaint is that ~15 former Amway IBO's filed suit against Amway (in 2009) for harassing them after they had moved onto other MLM ventures. They asked for class-action status and it involves something referred to as 'TEAMS' instead of 'TOOLS. And, I didn't bother searching through the rest of the court documents as there is a charge of 10¢ per page and besides, I don't really care about Amway.



So Textex, have you tried contacting people like this.

Of course there are costs involved here. PACER gives you $10 worth of free searches per quarter, after that it's 10¢ per page. And of course it may cost you to contact these other people initially.


It seems to me that this would be a lot more effective then spamming forums and insulting people that won't pay to call you when they don't really care about Amway anyway.

Those people are the ones operating the tool scams. It makes ZERO sense trying to work with scam artists.

Odd, per the court documents I linked too many of them switched to a company called MonaVie (WIKI) and some other MLM's.
MonaVie is another MLM and Amway was filing legal actions against these individuals for various T&C violations and contract breaches, or so Amway claimed. These individuals claimed that Amway's legal actions against them where unenforceable and nonbinding.
In basis they claim that Amway was harassing them from working for someone else. They appear to have, at least attempted, to fight Amway in court (unlike some others that will remain nameless).

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that 'Tools' is not actually Amway, but MonaVie?

You obviously don't only "don't really care about Amway," but know very little when it comes to Amway as well. But I do thank you for at least making a suggestion, most others here haven't even attempted that. LOL

Well, thanks for the update there Ted Koppel.
Or, are you suggesting that when I posted, "I don't really care about Amway." I was not being truthful?

But the bottom line is you don't have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL

Please explain why I would need to know the difference to find individuals that are taking on Amway in court. Since these other people have a similar mindset to yourself I would think that it would be up to you and them to worry about such distinctions.

[Textex]

Textex:

For someone who insists they are so brilliant, a genius, has superior intelligence than any of us here, yada, yada, yada. the answer to your taking down Amway has been staring you in the face for quite some time now, and you have no clue that is has been or even what it is. Otherwise you still wouldn't be here repeating the same thing over and over and over. You would be too busy taking down Amway.

But I do love the new insults. You still have not managed to come up with one to make my top 100 though. Come on boy genius, keep trying, as I know you will, but you have to step up your game. Heck you aren't even in the minor leagues yet with your insults.

It's not that I'm so brilliant, it's the rest of you are so stupid - but I guess that makes me brilliant, genius, superior intelligence, etc., in relative terms. LOL

I recognize you and the other idiots aren't here to fix a massive scam, but to tear down others who are. LOL

It only takes a few moments to respond to the idiocy found here. LOL

I couldn't care less what you think of my "insults," which are merely accurately reflecting the facts. LOL

Besides, I thought you were going to be busy for the next 2-3 weeks, as you didn't have time to answer several questions, above. LOL

But the bottom line is you don't have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL

[Textex]

Odd, per the court documents I linked too many of them switched to a company called MonaVie (WIKI) and some other MLM's.
MonaVie is another MLM and Amway was filing legal actions against these individuals for various T&C violations and contract breaches, or so Amway claimed. These individuals claimed that Amway's legal actions against them where unenforceable and nonbinding.
In basis they claim that Amway was harassing them from working for someone else. They appear to have, at least attempted, to fight Amway in court (unlike some others that will remain nameless).

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that 'Tools' is not actually Amway, but MonaVie?


Well, thanks for the update there Ted Koppel.
Or, are you suggesting that when I posted, "I don't really care about Amway." I was not being truthful?


Please explain why I would need to know the difference to find individuals that are taking on Amway in court. Since these other people have a similar mindset to yourself I would think that it would be up to you and them to worry about such distinctions.

I suggest you read my blog before making any additional comments. You are ignorant, and I don't mean that in a negative way. You simply don't know enough to make a meaningful comment or ask a meaningful question. I would be happy to talk with you on the phone, and have a way to keep your number confidential, if desired. Or we can Skype. You will also find on my blog that I not only fought Amway in court, I won. LOL

The statement about Ponzi schemes and illegal pyramids came from my standard "add-on" response, I should have removed that part from my response.

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[Whip]

[Char]

Odd, per the court documents I linked too many of them switched to a company called MonaVie (WIKI) and some other MLM's.
MonaVie is another MLM and Amway was filing legal actions against these individuals for various T&C violations and contract breaches, or so Amway claimed. These individuals claimed that Amway's legal actions against them where unenforceable and nonbinding.
In basis they claim that Amway was harassing them from working for someone else. They appear to have, at least attempted, to fight Amway in court (unlike some others that will remain nameless).

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that 'Tools' is not actually Amway, but MonaVie?


Well, thanks for the update there Ted Koppel.
Or, are you suggesting that when I posted, "I don't really care about Amway." I was not being truthful?


Please explain why I would need to know the difference to find individuals that are taking on Amway in court. Since these other people have a similar mindset to yourself I would think that it would be up to you and them to worry about such distinctions.

What I think Tex meant was:

Those people who went to Monavie are "scammers" and they switched scams. Amway just didn't want their scammers scamming for another scam and diminishing their pool of scamees.

"Tools" and MLM are system scams and not specific to a particular company.

[EagleOne]

Textex:

Actually I really don't have the time to search for something that means absolutely nothing to me. So I will just say I was wrong in claiming the Supreme Court ruled in the Amway case. Actually to respond to your insults only takes 10 seconds.

[Textex]

From my blog at https://stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpress.com/about/

Before proceeding, be sure to read and understand the Legal Notice found here: https://stoptheamwaytoolscam.files.w.../agreed3-1.pdf

Here’s the same agreement in text form, which will allow others who use other languages to interpret it:

CAUSE NO. 199-03090-2010

AMWAY CORP., A Virginia Corporation

Plaintiff,

v.

SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, An individual residing in Texas

Defendant.

IN THE DISTRICT COURT

199th JUDICIAL DISTRICT

COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS

It is, accordingly, ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED as follows:

AGREED CONSENT DECREE AND FINAL JUDGMENT

On this day, Plaintiff, Amway Corp., and Defendant, Scott E. Johnson, appeared by and through their respective attorneys of record and announced to the Court that Plaintiff and Defendant have reached an agreement to enter a permanent injunction, Consent Decree and a Final Judgment in the above-referenced civil action. Plaintiff and Defendant waive their right to a jury trial, and waive their right to appeal this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment. Plaintiff and Defendant agree and consent to the entry of the following permanent injunction and Final Judgment in the above-referenced civil action.

1. Plaintiff shall take nothing on Plaintiffs monetary and damage claims against Defendant, (including Plaintiffs claim for attorneys’ fees, court costs and pre-judgment interest); however, Plaintiff shall be awarded the permanent injunction described herein;

2. Defendant shall take nothing on Defendant’s claims against Plaintiff as contained in Defendant’s Counterclaim;

3. Plaintiff and Defendant shall take nothing against each other on any claim that was or could have been asserted in the above-referenced civil action through the date of this Final Judgment, except for the specific Judgment awards described herein and the permanent injunction against Defendant as contained in this Final Judgment as all other such claims and forms of relief are dismissed with prejudice;

4. Each party shall bear its own court costs and attorneys fees;

5. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from initiating or having any Communications-with any and all persons known or reasonably believed to be an Amway Independent Business Owner or IBO for any reason whatsoever except that Johnson may communicate with IBOs regarding non-Amway related matters. For purposes of this Section 5, “Communications” shall mean any and all types of direct or indirect verbal, written or electronic communication or messages, including, but not limited to, letters, written documents, fliers, hand-bills, e-mail, text messages, telecopy, fax, messages or communications sent through the Amway personal retail website or other IBO websites, Facebook posts, LinkedIn messaging, or any and all other communications or messages sent through any other type of social media;

6. Nothing contained in this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment shall prevent Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2,” and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, from maintaining a blog or website, publishing a book, testifying in response to a lawful subpoena served in accordance with law, giving a radio interview, nor from posting messages on a social media website, page or message board unless Johnson reasonably knows or believes that the website, page or message board is owned or operated by Amway or an IBO, giving a television interview, or engaging in other communications that are directed to the public at large; however, Sections 7-11 of this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment shall be complied with;

7. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from using profane or obscene language or images relative to or directed toward Amway, or any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO, or making any physical threats toward Amway or any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO;

8. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from blaming or associating Amway, or any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO with any death, illness, or accident;

9. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from misappropriating the name, identity or likeness of Amway, or any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO for any purpose, or otherwise violating the rights of privacy and publicity of any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO; however, this paragraph shall not preclude Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them from using the name “Amway” in the text or title of a blog, website, book, article, or any other public communication providing such use does not infringe Amway’s trade mark rights;

10. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from stating or creating the impression that they are in any way currently affiliated with, currently associated with, or authorized to ever speak on behalf of or represents Amway, or any Amway owner, officer, employee, agent, attorney or IBO;

11. Defendant, SCOTT E. JOHNSON, a/k/a “TEX” and “TEX2″, and Defendant’s respective officers, managers, trustees, agents, servants, employees, confederates and all other persons in active concert or participation with them, are permanently restrained and enjoined from encouraging, aiding or abetting the conduct of any other person that would violate any of the restraints contained in paragraphs 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10, above;

12. This Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment finally disposes of all claims and all parties;

13. This Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment is not appealable. All parties have consented and approved the entry of this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment as to form and substance;

14. Execution shall issue for this Judgment;

15. This Court shall retain jurisdiction of this matter for the purposes of enforcing the terms of this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment and the permanent injunction contained herein;

16. The bond previously filed with the clerk and executed by Plaintiff in the sum of $ 1,000.00 payable to Defendant shall be released to Plaintiff, and the Clerk is instructed to deliver a check in the amount of $1,000.00 made payable to “Amway Corp.” to Plaintiffs attorney of record; and,

17. Nothing in this Agreed Consent Decree and Final Judgment shall require Defendant to modify or delete anything he has previously posted to a website, blog, or message board, unless Defendant owns the website,blog, or message board in question.

SIGNED AND ENTERED on this 9 day of December, 2011.

ROBERT T. DRY, JR. DISTRICT JUDGE 199th JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS

APPROVED AS TO FORM AND SUBSTANCE

BY: Wm. Charles Bundren, Esq. Attorney-in-Charge

STATE BAR NO. 03343200

WM. CHARLES BUNDREN & ASSOCIATES LAW GROUP PLLC

2591 Dallas Parkway, Suite 300.

Frisco, TX 75034

Telephone: 972.624.5338

Fax: 972.624.5340

ATTORNEY FOR PLAINTIFF

BY: Robert J. Wood, Jr., Esq.

STATE BAR No. 00788712

FELL & WOOD, LLP

3021 E. Renner RD., Suite 140 Richardson, TX 75082

ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT

What does this agreement mean in plain English? Items 1-4 deal mainly with the fact Amway didn’t get paid one penny for suing me, including paying their own attorney costs. As the judge decided my counterclaim would have to go arbitration, I also didn’t get anything from Amway for my counterclaim. It is well known the Amway arbitration process is unconscionable and illusory for a variety of reasons, so I obviously won’t be pursuing that path for my counterclaim.

Items 12-17 handle other administrative matters, which leaves items 5-11, the real “meat” of the agreement. Note the items keep me focused on the problem that needs to be solved, the Amway Tool Scam, and ensure I keep a positive reputation, so they are ALL favorable to me and the cause of shutting down the Amway Tool Scam.

Also note this does not give me permission to do things that are clearly illegal, such as rob an LCK’s house, etc. However, I WILL cause much more damage to Amway financially than they could dream in their worst nightmare. Amway will rue the day they tried to sue me and utterly FAILED in their inept attempt to silence me, ESPECIALLY since this agreement protects me against another idiotic SLAPP lawsuit. All I have to do is “color inside the lines,” and Amway has legally and permanently agreed they cannot sue me.

The main thing I gave up was communicating with IBOs, which I was finding to be both time consuming and having limited results, which frees up my time to be more productive in getting the Amway Tool Scam shut down. The following is a summary of these items, and note all of these items are directed towards me and those who associate with me regarding Amway and the Amway Tool Scam, referred to as “we” below:

5 – We cannot communicate with IBOs or those reasonably believed to be IBOs, unless the communication is not associated with Amway. Note the listed communications are defined and confined as directed to Amway IBO owned and/or operated media, and item 6 further reinforces this as well. Note there is almost unlimited ability in communicating with non-IBOs who are associated with Amway, such as Amway employees, lawyers, etc., UNLESS it is a public forum owned/operated by Amway or an IBO, which is also described in item 6. By omission, we can communicate with non-IBOs in private without restrictions, including 6-11 below. Note however, any private communications that are not consistent with 6-11 must remain private.

6 – Within the limits listed in 7-11, we CAN communicate publicly, as long as the communications are directed towards the general public. This means we can communicate publicly ABOUT Amway and the Amway Tool Scam, including IBOs, as long as the communications are directed to the public at large AND the public forum is not owned/operated by Amway or an IBO. By the way, this entire public blog IS directed towards the public at large. In other words, if an IBO posts on this blog, they can be responded to, without violating the agreement.

7 – No cussing, obscene language or images, or physical threats against Amway or those associated with their tool scam.

8 – Can’t blame or associate Amway and those related to Amway to any death, illness, or accident. However, there is a LOT of ground not covered by these restrictions, such as these actual examples:

Amway being accused of “roughing up”and threatening former employees when they sided with the legal authorities in Canada,
An IBO raping a 12 year old girl while selling door to door in San Diego,
Rich DeVos’ son in law, who was fired from running the Orlando Magic because he made a fool of himself by calling the franchise basketball player (Dwight Howard) while drunk and was reportedly sleeping around on his wife Cheri, Rich DeVos’ daughter.
9 – Can’t misappropriate the name, identity, or likeness, or violate the rights of privacy and publicity of Amway or those associated with Amway. However, this leaves a LOT of flexibility, as most of the people of public interest are also publicly visible, which severely limits their rights of privacy and publicity, AND the internet has provided a wealth of information regarding these dirtbags.

10 – Can’t state or create the impression we represent or are affiliated or are associated with Amway and their scam. This is probably the easiest one: Why would we want to be connected in any way to such an immoral and unethical operation in the first place?

11 – We can’t have others violate 5-10 in our place.

If you want to contact me directly, email stoptheamwaytoolscam@yahoo.com, you can even talk with me without giving up your phone number, just propose a time to call a free conference number (dial *67 before dialing, only your normal long distance charge, if any, to southern California where the conference call is based, applies) at (760) 569-6000, access code 975016. I am in the Central time zone, keep that in mind when setting up a call.

[Textex]

What I think Tex meant was:

Those people who went to Monavie are "scammers" and they switched scams. Amway just didn't want their scammers scamming for another scam and diminishing their pool of scamees.

"Tools" and MLM are system scams and not specific to a particular company.

Correct. LOL

But the bottom line is you don't have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL

Let's get organized and take action against Amway, the largest and most abusive MLM on the planet. See my blog: www.stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpress.com

[Textex]

Textex:

Actually I really don't have the time to search for something that means absolutely nothing to me. So I will just say I was wrong in claiming the Supreme Court ruled in the Amway case. Actually to respond to your insults only takes 10 seconds.

Of course you don't care about the biggest and most influential MLM scam on the planet - are you adding that to your resume? LOL

And how long does it take to respond to my questions? Answer: Too much time, because you don't HAVE a good answer. LOL

[EagleOne]

nomaxim:

Let me explain to you how it works in this thread. Unless you go and read Textex's blog, call him and talk to him on the phone, you are a lazy coward, ignorant, stupid, an idiot and don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid.

By his own admission, he says I slammed him at behindMLM with no cause and thus I now know nothing and don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid scheme. Even after having talked with him for over an hour on the phone. What he said was wrong at behindMLM and it is still wrong no matter how many times he posts I don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid scheme.

Not what is truly funny is that with his all self-admitted intelligence, he has the solution to his quest right in front of him and he doesn't see it or even know what it is. But welcome to the cesspool of this thread. I give you at least 2 more posts before you too will become one of us.

[EagleOne]

Of course you don't care about the biggest and most influential MLM scam on the planet - are you adding that to your resume? LOL

And how long does it take to respond to my questions? Answer: Too much time, because you don't HAVE a good answer. LOL

Wait a minute, I thought Amway was the biggest and most influential MLM illegal pyramid on the planet. Now you are saying it is the biggest and most influential MLM "scam" on the planet. You do know the difference between a scam and an illegal pyramid don't you?

I answered your question from 3 months ago, now it is time for you to answer mine. You can answer them can't you?

[Textex]

nomaxim:

Let me explain to you how it works in this thread. Unless you go and read Textex's blog, call him and talk to him on the phone, you are a lazy coward, ignorant, stupid, an idiot and don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid.

By his own admission, he says I slammed him at behindMLM with no cause and thus I now know nothing and don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid scheme. Even after having talked with him for over an hour on the phone. What he said was wrong at behindMLM and it is still wrong no matter how many times he posts I don't know the difference between a Ponzi and an illegal pyramid scheme.

Not what is truly funny is that with his all self-admitted intelligence, he has the solution to his quest right in front of him and he doesn't see it or even know what it is. But welcome to the cesspool of this thread. I give you at least 2 more posts before you too will become one of us.

Why would I want to waste my time explaining, over and over again, how Amway works, when my blog is DESIGNED to educate others? LOL

That's right, people who act like you did on BehindMLM are part of the problem, NOT the solution. To enter an ongoing conversation and state that I don't know what I'm talking about is stupid, idiotic, and displays cowardice. You could have asked a simple question of clarification, but you didn't, did you Lynn? LOL

You've also had ample opportunity to display your brilliance regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid and haven't done so. Therefore, the conclusion is YOU DON'T KNOW. LOL

And then you pretend I already have the solution, but then don't mention what it is, preferring for millions of others to continue to be ripped off by Amway and other MLM scams. Your parents should have named you Benedict or Adolph - add that to your resume too, Lynn. LOL

[Textex]

Wait a minute, I thought Amway was the biggest and most influential MLM illegal pyramid on the planet. Now you are saying it is the biggest and most influential MLM "scam" on the planet. You do know the difference between a scam and an illegal pyramid don't you?

I answered your question from 3 months ago, now it is time for you to answer mine. You can answer them can't you?

No Lynn, why don't you tell me the difference, I'm sure you're itching to display your vast knowledge. LOL

Here's the question again, what's your answer? >>> How do I plan on getting organized? Or how do I plan on taking down Amway? Or both?

[Whip]

Wait a minute, I thought Amway was the biggest and most influential MLM illegal pyramid on the planet. Now you are saying it is the biggest and most influential MLM "scam" on the planet. You do know the difference between a scam and an illegal pyramid don't you?

I answered your question from 3 months ago, now it is time for you to answer mine. You can answer them can't you?

These are all rhetorical correct?

[Textex]

These are all rhetorical correct?

Incorrect. These are all stupid. LOL

[nomaxim]

Odd, per the court documents I linked too many of them switched to a company called MonaVie (WIKI) and some other MLM's.
MonaVie is another MLM and Amway was filing legal actions against these individuals for various T&C violations and contract breaches, or so Amway claimed. These individuals claimed that Amway's legal actions against them where unenforceable and nonbinding.
In basis they claim that Amway was harassing them from working for someone else. They appear to have, at least attempted, to fight Amway in court (unlike some others that will remain nameless).

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that 'Tools' is not actually Amway, but MonaVie?


Well, thanks for the update there Ted Koppel.
Or, are you suggesting that when I posted, "I don't really care about Amway." I was not being truthful?


Please explain why I would need to know the difference to find individuals that are taking on Amway in court. Since these other people have a similar mindset to yourself I would think that it would be up to you and them to worry about such distinctions.

I suggest you read my blog before making any additional comments.

I have read your blog. I found no evidence of any workable plan to reach the goals set forth there.

You are ignorant, and I don't mean that in a negative way. You simply don't know enough to make a meaningful comment or ask a meaningful question.

Unfortunately, USC, Kent State, and Ohio State University's appear too disagree with you. I do have a PhD after all.
Not to even mention that I retired as a MASC from the US Navy after 20 years (equivalent of a Master Sergent {E-8} MP in the US Army) So, yes I carried a badge.
Also, not to mention that my current username "nomaxim" has at least 7 years of history on the net, fighting scams. It would have more (12 years) if ResellerRatings had not removed and achieved their forums.


And, a number of the individuals posting in this thread have even better resumes than I do.

Simply put:
If you have a plan to take down Amway.
You have not convinced anyone here of said plan.

I would be happy to talk with you on the phone, and have a way to keep your number confidential, if desired. Or we can Skype.

Sorry, but as stated above, " I don't care about 'Amway".
Besides, giving your currently listed court documents, and recent behavior on this forum, it appears that you engage in various forms of harassment (both online and by phone, but that is only my opinion).

You will also find on my blog that I not only fought Amway in court, I won. LOL

Well, that isn't what I see when I read that court document.

The statement about Ponzi schemes and illegal pyramids came from my standard "add-on" response, I should have removed that part from my response.

That statement is rather obvious.
May I suggest laying off the 'cut&paste' responses.

[EagleOne]

Textex:

You are the self-proclaimed genius here, so why can't you see the solution to your quest when it is right in front of your face? But I'm the idiot!

[Textex]

I have read your blog. I found no evidence of any workable plan to reach the goals set forth there. >>> I didn't say the plan was on the blog, but there are some specific ideas there. I suggested you read my blog to understand why I wouldn't work with the exact people I'm taking down. I also suggest you read the very first post on page one of this thread.

Unfortunately, USC, Kent State, and Ohio State University's appear too disagree with you. I do have a PhD after all.
Not to even mention that I retired as a MASC from the US Navy after 20 years (equivalent of a Master Sergent {E-8} MP in the US Army) So, yes I carried a badge. >>> I'll bet USC, Kent State, and THE Ohio State Universities are cringing, as the correct words are "Universities," not "University's," and "to," not "too." PhD? It's hopefully not in spelling. LOL I have an Electrical Engineering degree and was a Naval officer in the Nuclear Power program, and those and other experiences taught me to learn about something before I make suggestions to somebody. Didn't your Navy experience and PhD teach you this? Did your previous experience and education teach you how Amway works?

Also, not to mention that my current username "nomaxim" has at least 7 years of history on the net, fighting scams. It would have more (12 years) if ResellerRatings had not removed and achieved their forums. >>> Then let's fight together.


And, a number of the individuals posting in this thread have even better resumes than I do. >>> I don't care about resumes, I care about results.

Simply put:
If you have a plan to take down Amway.
You have not convinced anyone here of said plan. >>> Again, read the first post on page 1 of this thread, as well as this section on my blog: https://stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpre...lse-can-we-do/

Sorry, but as stated above, " I don't care about 'Amway".
Besides, giving your currently listed court documents, and recent behavior on this forum, it appears that you engage in various forms of harassment (both online and by phone, but that is only my opinion). >>> If you don't care about the largest MLM scam on the planet (illegal pyramid and RICO fraud tool scam), then go away. I only give back what I receive, except more of it.

Well, that isn't what I see when I read that court document. >>> What did you see when you read the court document, as well as the explanation below it?

That statement is rather obvious. >>> It might seem obvious to you, but it isn't obvious to the other posters here.
May I suggest laying off the 'cut&paste' responses. >>> You can suggest whatever you want, but the "cut and paste" responses are intended to keep this thread on the topic of the first post on page 1 of this thread.

[Textex]

Textex:

You are the self-proclaimed genius here, so why can't you see the solution to your quest when it is right in front of your face? But I'm the idiot!

Because I believe you're blowing smoke, Loser. LOL

You also didn't answer the original question that I repeated above. LOL

[Char]

But the bottom line is you don't have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL

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Why the hell does it matter (to the public) what the difference is? Both are illegal and had willing participants, prepared to involve others to make a buck, and got duped.

[Textex]

Why the hell does it matter (to the public) what the difference is? Both are illegal and had willing participants, prepared to involve others to make a buck, and got duped.

That's like asking what's the difference between investing with Bernie Madoff or joining a typical MLM. Bernie didn't ask the willing participants to involve others. In fact, that is one key difference between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. Educate yourself here: R. Glossary Of Terms And Abbreviations | Stop The Amway Tool Scam, and pay particular attention to the definition of "Illegal Pyramid." If you people would read my blog first, your questions wouldn't be so stupid. You can blame Lynn The Loser for taking down my "repetitive" posts that you obviously ignored, because I encouraged you to read my blog every single time I posted it. LOL

But the bottom line is you don't have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL

[Char]

That's like asking what's the difference between investing with Bernie Madoff or joining a typical MLM. Bernie didn't ask the willing participants to involve others. In fact, that is one key difference between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid.
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We are talking about network marketing, are we not?

[Textex]

We are talking about network marketing, are we not?

In general, yes for network marketing, and no for Ponzi schemes. Most modern Ponzi schemes are people who think they are investing money with someone who promises to grow their money by investing it. Most illegal pyramids are MLM, aka network marketing.

[littleroundman]

No prizes for guessing why all Textex has to show for the past nine years of his campaign is a whole pile of restraining orders.

[Whip]

We are talking about network marketing, are we not?

Never were. We're talking about this now: