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    First off, despite liberal media slant to the contrary, law abiding gun owners are not wild eyed rednecks that want to kill everything or are compensating for feelings of inadequacy. Some enjoy guns and shooting as a hobby, some carry firearms as a necessity. If you don't like firearms or feel citizens shouldn't have them,this probably isn't the thread for you.

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    I only have four weapons. I don't believe that private citizens need military style weapons either.

    The weapon I use at home is a Browning BDA 380. Bought it back in the 80's. It's a wonderful gun. Compact, well balanced, great feel, simple to use, very accurate and very reliable. 12 round clip standard. I have two of the pre-banned 13 clips, so 13 in the clip plus one in the chamber. They can still be purchased. The safety engages and disengages very smoothly and quickly. Recoil is very mild. I have never had a jam or misfire or feed issue. Now a days everyone talking about hi calibers, hi tech guns, glock this, glock that, but I appreciate a well made, good looking classic pistol, the way they should always have been. It just oozes craftmanship and class, something that's lacking in many modern tactical wunderguns IMO. I'm just old school.



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    Stable, rugged, classic, dependable, and accurate.

    I also have a Browning Challenger 22 long rifle for fun and target plinking.



    and a Churchill Windsor III side by side 12 gauge shotgun that I use for skeet shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laidback View Post
    If you don't like firearms or feel citizens shouldn't have them,this probably isn't the thread for you.
    Thank G-d I live in Australia where most people are smart enough to realize that they have no need for guns....Where it took us just the one mass killing to get rid of all the high powered weapons....

    Thank You to Martin Bryant and former Prime Minister John Howard for allowing me to be safe in my own country

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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    Thank G-d I live in Australia where most people are smart enough to realize that they have no need for guns....Where it took us just the one mass killing to get rid of all the high powered weapons....

    Thank You to Martin Bryant and former Prime Minister John Howard for allowing me to be safe in my own country

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    If that works for you then I am happy for you. What too often happens, at least here is that authorities take away guns from honest folk and only criminals have guns. How AU has solved that problem I don't know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    Thank G-d I live in Australia where most people are smart enough to realize that they have no need for guns....Where it took us just the one mass killing to get rid of all the high powered weapons....

    Thank You to Martin Bryant and former Prime Minister John Howard for allowing me to be safe in my own country

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    So no one in AUS ever goes hunting, target shoots, skeet or trap shoots or has had their home or business invaded by criminals with guns or been car jacked or robbed on the street by armed men? No one ever participates in historical re-enactments that include bearing arms? No one collects military weapons or other collectible arms? No one competes in any shooting type contests/events? Even for the Olympics? Are there no armed gangs there which causes people to feel they need protection? In this country, we have the Constitutional right to bear arms, thankfully and for all the reasons listed above. Glad that it works for you, but it would not work in this country.
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    I suppose Canada is in a similar situation as Australia.

    Guns aren't that big a deal up here.

    Knives happen to be the weapon of choice for most robberies.

    Give me a pair of Sinawali sticks or broom handles to handle that eventuality, thank you very much.

    A sharp smack on the knuckles or wrist is about all it takes to make a thug change his mind.

    And there's nothing illegal about having a pair of wooden sticks with you - nunchucks, yes.

    I read about a guy that tried to fend off a robber with a pair of nunchucks. He got the crap beaten out of him, his wallet and car stolen - and was charged by the cops for possessing an illegal weapon. Talk about having a bad day!


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    Pay particular attention to the 12 sec mark of this clip!


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    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    So no one in AUS ever goes hunting, target shoots, skeet or trap shoots or has had their home or business invaded by criminals with guns or been car jacked or robbed on the street by armed men? No one ever participates in historical re-enactments that include bearing arms? No one collects military weapons or other collectible arms? No one competes in any shooting type contests/events? Even for the Olympics? Are there no armed gangs there which causes people to feel they need protection? In this country, we have the Constitutional right to bear arms, thankfully and for all the reasons listed above. Glad that it works for you, but it would not work in this country.
    There's the rub.

    It's far too complex a subject to discuss in depth or accurately on a forum, BUT,

    it IS entirely different here, and largely DOES work.

    It's by no means perfect here, but comparing the gun situation in Australia and the US is totally apples and oranges, chalk and cheese and NOTHING alike.

    Every aspect of the gun situation is different, beginning with the constitutional right to bear arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    There's the rub.

    It's far too complex a subject to discuss in depth or accurately on a forum, BUT,

    it IS entirely different here, and largely DOES work.

    It's by no means perfect here, but comparing the gun situation in Australia and the US is totally apples and oranges, chalk and cheese and NOTHING alike.

    Every aspect of the gun situation is different, beginning with the constitutional right to bear arms.
    You are exactly right and that is why pointing fingers and saying well we don't have such and such here and don't need guns and we were saved and our citizens are more enlightened, is pretty meaningless when discussing arms in this country. They are a huge part of our history and culture, a protected Constitutional right, very regulated, even down to ammunition and sadly here, most criminals are very well armed and often more well armed than our own law enforcement officers and we have far too many deaths of LEOS in this country because of that. We also have severe issues with well armed gangs and especially in Texas and Arizona of armed illegal criminals coming over the border from Mexico and murdering and shooting at US citizens. It's huge in those two states. There is still a tremdous amount of hunting done in this country and there are very rural areas where one actually needs protection from some wild animals. I learned that lesson well, in Alaska. Plus, there are dozens and dozens of historical reenactment events from the pioneer days, the days of the old west, the Alamo, the Civil war, the Revolutionary war etc., that take place in this country every year and draw huge crowds. Many, many people have saved their own lives and the lives of their loved ones here because they were armed and able to fend off criminals. We won't even get into terrorism. There is a special government program for pilots to take, get certified and arm themselves and many of them have since 9/11, believe me. It is simply not broadcast to the general flying public. That and the huge increase of armed Air Marshalls on commercial flights. So comparisons to other nations just don't work here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    I suppose Canada is in a similar situation as Australia.

    Guns aren't that big a deal up here.

    Knives happen to be the weapon of choice for most robberies.

    Give me a pair of Sinawali sticks or broom handles to handle that eventuality, thank you very much.

    A sharp smack on the knuckles or wrist is about all it takes to make a thug change his mind.

    And there's nothing illegal about having a pair of wooden sticks with you - nunchucks, yes.

    I read about a guy that tried to fend off a robber with a pair of nunchucks. He got the crap beaten out of him, his wallet and car stolen - and was charged by the cops for possessing an illegal weapon. Talk about having a bad day!

    When I was much younger and considerably more athletic, I had no problem going to the mat with anybody, but at this point those capabilities are long gone.

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    Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilus View Post
    Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
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    In my part of the country they are as common as going to the kitchen and getting a fork out of the drawer. Everybody owns them and nobody gives it a second thought. I own a bunch and it got to the point I bought a big safe years ago. I grew up around them and was taught how to handle them. Im not a hunter but I enjoy target shooting. I am not a big pistol person either but I do own two. A Ruger P89 9mm and a Ruger MkII 22 auto. I have the 15 shot clips for the 9mm. Im not into assault type weapons either. Everybody that owns guns are not crazy. I respect others opinions but Im glad we have the right to have them here.




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    Here is the P89 9mm.



    There are a lot of slicker pistols out there but its hard to beat a Ruger anything for the money. They are as tough as nails from my experience.
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    Here is the P89 9mm.



    There are a lot of slicker pistols out there but its hard to beat a Ruger anything for the money. They are as tough as nails from my experience.
    That Ruger is a very reliable weapon. Rugged, hefty and beefy. I imagine it will absorb much of the recoil because of that. Very sturdy. It's not about fancy, it's about being dependable and well made and that gun is a very good choice in it's price range.

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    If that works for you then I am happy for you. What too often happens, at least here is that authorities take away guns from honest folk and only criminals have guns. How AU has solved that problem I don't know...
    John Howard got rid of the high powered weopons which went a long way to solving the problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    So no one in AUS ever goes hunting, target shoots, skeet or trap shoots or has had their home or business invaded by criminals with guns or been car jacked or robbed on the street by armed men? No one ever participates in historical re-enactments that include bearing arms? No one collects military weapons or other collectible arms? No one competes in any shooting type contests/events? Even for the Olympics? Are there no armed gangs there which causes people to feel they need protection? In this country, we have the Constitutional right to bear arms, thankfully and for all the reasons listed above. Glad that it works for you, but it would not work in this country.
    Guns are controlled here and hard to get....People do go hunting but it's slowing down with less and less each year.....
    The sale of toy guns barely even exist in my state following the Martyn Bryant incident....Folks down here don't let their kids even play with guns...
    There is a gun store close by to me....They'd have gone broke years ago except for the fact that they now sell discount smokes....

    Of course we have target shoots as our Gold Olympic medalists are proof of....
    Yes there are collectors of old and low powered guns....
    No we don't have armed gangs on every street corner so no we don't need guns to protect ourselves....
    carjackings are rare as hens teeth....Hardly ever happens....
    Crooks do manage to get some guns....But the penalties for possesion of an illegal gun are harsh....
    Armed robbery does happen though mostly with a knife or loaded needle
    Cops carry guns.....Security guards don't....
    Farmers have guns for shooting roos and foxes but that's all heavily controlled....

    The bottom line is that you can't go out and buy a gun on any street corner down here...
    And when someone in the street asks you what time it is you can stop to answer without fear of them pulling a gun on you
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    Around here the criminals always have cheap saturday night special type guns. Most of them will never be caught with a nice Browning or Smith and Wesson. Instead they carry cheap junky make crap. Its funny how that works. They dont know quality nor appreciate it.

    Its interesting that Australia has outlawed weapons. I have never been there and its hard to imagine living in the states. It simply would not work here. There are so many out there that you could never confiscate them all anyway. Not to mention the uprising from the people. It would be WW3. People drive around here with (redneck racks) in their trucks with high powered rifles hung in the back window and nobody gives it a second thought. I personally know a lot of'people who carry pistols (legally) every where they go. I dont myself but it doesnt bother me in the least. One of my good friends who I ride motorcycles with always is packing heat when we take a trip and to be honest it makes me feel better.

    Its an interesting topic and I have found that in the states at least it depends on what part of the country you live in. I live in the south so its more of a normal thing than say living in the north east.

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    Okosh, I don't believe that anyone here has stated anything about armed gangs on every street corner in this country did they? Nor can weapons be bought on any street corner here. You have some serious misconceptions. I have never heard of anyone pulling a gun on someone because they asked them for the time of day either or anyone being worried about such an inane scenario. Really...... silly and ridiculous cheap shots, especially about our country, do not further the enjoyment of this thread for anyone. As the OP suggested, "If you don't like firearms or feel citizens shouldn't have them, this probably isn't the thread for you." I in no way mean to offend you, but I don't think you have a grasp on firearms in this country, legal or illegal. I don't think any of us really care to debate that either. What works in your country simply would not work here and we accept and understand that. Again, I am glad that your system works for you. It's simply a thread to share about weapons and an appreciation of them. I don't believe it was intended to be anything else or cause a big rigmarole nor a discussion of what country's system is better. There is no better, only different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    Okosh, I don't believe that anyone here has stated anything about armed gangs on every street corner in this country did they? Nor can weapons be bought on any street corner here. You have some serious misconceptions.
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    As okosh and I have both pointed out, the whole situation is totally different here.

    An often forgotten fact is that, although Australia is close in size to mainland America, we have a population of around 23 million, compared to the 320 plus million people in the US.

    Whats more, over 60% of the Australian population lives within the major cities and, from memory, around 70% of the entire population lives within 40 kilometers of the coast.

    IOW, there's a shi****d of uninhabited land.

    Brisbane, the state capital of Queensland and the third most populous city in Oz occupies an area of 918/kmē (2,377.6/sq miles) compared to the city of New York which covers 468.9 sq mi (1,214.4 km2)

    Brisbane is, in fact, near the top of the list of worlds' largest in area cities.

    Yet, Brisbane has a population of around 2 million, compared to New Yorks' 8,391,881 million.

    More importantly, there is no significant gun culture here.


    There is a handful of hunters, gun clubs exist, gun shops are becoming increasingly rare.

    In the city in which I live, I think there's one or two indoor gun ranges available to the public.

    They are heavily regulated and patrons can only use the weapons provided, IOW, they can't bring their own guns.
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    John Howard got rid of the high powered weopons which went a long way to solving the problems....



    Guns are controlled here and hard to get....People do go hunting but it's slowing down with less and less each year.....
    The sale of toy guns barely even exist in my state following the Martyn Bryant incident....Folks down here don't let their kids even play with guns...
    There is a gun store close by to me....They'd have gone broke years ago except for the fact that they now sell discount smokes....

    Of course we have target shoots as our Gold Olympic medalists are proof of....
    Yes there are collectors of old and low powered guns....
    No we don't have armed gangs on every street corner so no we don't need guns to protect ourselves....
    carjackings are rare as hens teeth....Hardly ever happens....
    Crooks do manage to get some guns....But the penalties for possesion of an illegal gun are harsh....
    Armed robbery does happen though mostly with a knife or loaded needle
    Cops carry guns.....Security guards don't....
    Farmers have guns for shooting roos and foxes but that's all heavily controlled....

    The bottom line is that you can't go out and buy a gun on any street corner down here...
    And when someone in the street asks you what time it is you can stop to answer without fear of them pulling a gun on you
    Thats very interesting. We dont have much crime where I live except for some petty robberys like breaking into cars and stealing radios and such. However, in the bigger cities its a bit different and you have to be on your guard depending on what part of town you are in. I am amazed how the Aussies have pulled this off. As much as we are alike in so many ways we are different in this respect.

    Recently, a guy down in Texas caught two guys breaking into his neighbors home stealing his neighbors Tv. The robbers cut across his yard in the process and he dropped both of them with a 12 gauge shotgun. They prosecuted this guy for murder and when it went to trial the jury laughed at them and turned the guy loose saying he saved the taxpayers millions of dollars. That would not happen in a liberal state like say California but if your in Texas you better watch out. Somebody might pop a cap in your ass. It deters crime imo. This can be debated till the cows come home and has been but I like our laws here at least about gun control anyway. I am all for keep guns out of nuts hands but there are so many out there I dont think it can be enforced.

    What happened down in Tucson AZ a while back could happen anywhere imo. No law would have prevented it. The guy was a kook. Criminals will always find a way to get guns and use them for illegal activities. I think we get a bad name sometimes because of events like this but I promise the vast majority of gun owners are very responsible people. I had guns growing up and the thought never crossed my mind to take one to school. I was more interested in girls. I am referring to the Columbine School shootings. Again, I dont know how you stop something like this. Its a price we pay I guess but I think in the end Im thankful we have the right to arms. Im not some nut job that is into assault weapons either. I like the finer pieces that are quality built.

    A lot of folks collect guns kinda like people buy antiques. My Father does this and he has more than I could count. He finds old guns that he wanted when he was a kid at yard sales, gun shows, or where ever and buys them up. IN a way, they are like money in the bank. There is a strong market for older guns in decent shape. I am all about technology but they really dont make them like they used to. My favorite 22 rifle of all time is the Remington 510 Targetmaster. Perfectly balanced and simple and anybody can shoot one of these with good results. This was the gun I learned to shoot with and I have it still today. It was given to me by my Father and my Grandfather bought it new for 7 dollars. It is in mint condition and it is priceless to me. Its my favorite 22 of all time.
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    Here is the 510.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    but I think in the end Im thankful we have the right to arms.
    This is a main difference between our countries....There seem to be a majority of Americans who are thankful for their right to arms....
    Here in Australia the vast majority see no need to have arms.....

    Whilst it's true that America does have influence on what we watch on TV, the clothes we wear, we music we listen to and so on the fact of the matter is that our 2 countries couldn't be more different....
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    Well now that this has got political, I feel I may as well share a video I found about a month ago.

    This video shows how some people from the UK and Australia lament the loss of their gun rights.

    Once you give up these rights, you will never ever get them back.

    In America we would never give up our rights to own guns, ever. In this video there is some woman politician who is really smug in her belief on the subject of gun control. There are not many things that upset me more than some damn politician that thinks they know better then the rest of us.

    All I can really say is some gave up those rights and you will never get them back..

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