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    Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    People over seventy do not get much sympathy when they complain about corns, ingrowing toenails etc. If anybody in my age group has tried this, please let me know. A scam? Maybe but it is worth spending £30 to find out if it is money well spent. Aqua Sheko – London’s Premier Fish Spa

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    Fish pedicure could spread infection and disease, warn experts

    Monday, February 28th, 2011


    The latest beauty craze—fish pedicures—offered in salons and spas across the world have raised serious health concerns.

    British experts are worried that the trend that is sweeping the country could spread infection and disease.

    The Health Protection Agency is investigating after the treatment was banned by 14 American states.

    The treatment, which costs between 10 and 50 pounds, involves customers dunking their feet in tanks to have their dead skin nibbled away by scores of Turkish miniature toothless carp.

    But it has been revealed the pedicures using the garra rufa fish could spread infection from person to person through open wounds.
    Salons said they use UV-lit tanks, which are constantly filtered to keep them clear of disease.

    But the therapy’s opponents said that unlike usual salon rules, which compel staff to throw away or sanitise tools after each use, the epidermis-eating fish are too expensive to discard.

    The agency began investigating after being contacted by environmental health officers.
    “The HPA will examine the most up-to-date evidence of any possible risks associated with garra rufa fish pedicures,” said an agency spokesman. (ANI)

    Fish pedicure could spread infection and disease, warn experts
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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Thanks for that information LRM. I would have tried it, if I had not been in a hurry to get home before the evening rush hour. My feet were very painful after hours of walking on hard streets.

    I am very lucky to be in one of the last age groups who got free podiatry once we reached 65. Free treatment is still available but our government applies very severe means testing now. Older people do resort to DIY foot care and this can result in small wounds that stay open for a few days.

    Anybody who has gouged out their own in growing toenails knows that it is extremely painful and that the cavity which it leaves is very deep. Thanks for the warning. The salon that I visited in the course of my work yesterday made the therapy look as if it was "just what the doctor ordered.”

    British residents are very privileged to get free medicines and essential treatment. I hope that people in countries where treatment is not free, heed this warning.
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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    My feet were very painful after hours of walking on hard streets.
    Forget the fish oils....Just move Down-Under where you'll be walking on soft streets
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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Geez, anyone can buy comfortable padded, well supported walking shoes like from New Balance and Rockport among other brands, and go and get a regular pedicure every few weeks. Pedicures are about 15 to 20 bucks here, you get a massage for your feet and legs, get any corns and callouses removed, a hot soak, your toe nails clipped, and for women their nails polished. How difficult is that to do?

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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    Geez, anyone can buy comfortable padded, well supported walking shoes like from New Balance and Rockport among other brands, and go and get a regular pedicure every few weeks. Pedicures are about 15 to 20 bucks here, you get a massage for your feet and legs, get any corns and callouses removed, a hot soak, your toe nails clipped, and for women their nails polished. How difficult is that to do?
    Rubbish. There are a lot of older people who have to wear hand made orthopaedic shoes. A pedicure that you describe is similar to a manicure. It is not treatment for fibrous or vascular corns. Peacocks Chiropody & Podiatry Corns on Feet!

    Therapists in these sort of salons do not cut or treat ingrowing toenails. It is extremely painful having them removed and they should only be treated by a physician or podiatrist. There is a long waiting list for podiatry clinics in most British hospitals.

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    Ingrown toenail occurs when one or both of the lateral edges of the nail penetrates the skin and cuts into the soft flesh of the toe.

    Uncorrected, an ingrown toenail can result in severe complications, progressing to simple inflammation, serious infection, ulceration and gangrene.

    Ingrown toenails are frequently at the inflammation or infection stage when treated by physicians or podiatrists. That is chiefly because anyone who suffers from it is seldom able to endure the pain and usually seeks aid before a more serious complication develops.

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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    How on earth did we get from flesh eating fish to discussing the treatment and possible consequences of ingrown toenails ????

    Do the fish in question have tiny little nail clippers and mini syringes full of antibiotics at hand ????

    You REALLY, REALLY do need to get out of that decaying country/system, Judy and experience life downunder.

    For all its' faults and shortcomings, our health system and care of the elderly runs rings around what you're describing.
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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    How on earth did we get from flesh eating fish to discussing the treatment and possible consequences of ingrown toenails ????

    Do the fish in question have tiny little nail clippers and mini syringes full of antibiotics at hand ????

    You REALLY, REALLY do need to get out of that decaying country/system, Judy and experience life downunder.

    For all its' faults and shortcomings, our health system and care of the elderly runs rings around what you're describing.
    And it's just about all availiable for free....
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    The only rubbish on here is what you keep posting, Judy. Calluses and corns develop to protect the foot from damage. The usual culprit is a poorly fitting shoe. That is a fact. To prevent calluses and corns, wear shoes that fit comfortably, provide cushioning and have enough room at the toes. Avoid pointy shoes that squeeze your toes together and high heels that shift your weight onto your toes. Also, wear socks or stockings to cushion your feet and reduce friction. If your shoe is large enough, you can add extra cushioning by inserting a padded insole.

    If you are prone to corns or calluses, protect the affected area with moleskin, lamb's wool, felt or foam. Many helpful over-the counter products are available at pharmacies. You may also want to try custom orthotics that will redistribute your weight and take pressure off the affected areas. Along with better-fitting, well made and cushioned shoes, these steps will reduce the irritation that caused the problem in the first place and, over time, the corns or calluses will shrink. If one gets a full pedicure which is different than a manicure, this will keep calluses and corns at bay. It works for millions of people, Judy. But then nothing works for you. If your nails are trimmed on a regualr basis, you won't have a problem with ingrown toe nails either. Tight-fitting shoes or high heels cause the toes to be compressed together and pressure the nail to grow abnormally. Improper trimming of toenails can cause the corners of the nail to dig into the skin. Nails should be trimmed straight across, not rounded. Simple solution. Get them trimmed properly and regularly and no issue. In pedicures, they have orange peel treatments for callouses and corns, they use scrapers and files and clippers and are licensed here in this country. It's not like a manicure here. Perhaps if you had ever had a decent pedicure you'd know the difference. Getting them on a regualr basis and wearing the proper supports and shoes will allieviate most foot/toe issues, inlcuing calluses, corns and ingrown toe nails. Ask any Podiatrist.

    Man, your life is all about being a victim and crying the blues. It's all negative and miserable with you isn't it? Everything is a huge blown out of proportion issue which then leads to other problems and suddenly you are the spokesperson for every elderly person on a small island with foot issues.. Sheeesh.
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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    How on earth did we get from flesh eating fish to discussing the treatment and possible consequences of ingrown toenails ????

    Do the fish in question have tiny little nail clippers and mini syringes full of antibiotics at hand ????
    ROTFL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    And it's just about all availiable for free....
    For age pensioners, especially, and that includes medication being free or almost free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    ROTFL!

    Laugh you may,

    but I can tell you with certainty, if I was elderly and had the slightest HINT of trouble with my feet, the very last place I'd put them is a bath full of biting little fish.

    Do you know what fish do in water ????

    Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Laugh you may,

    but I can tell you with certainty, if I was elderly and had the slightest HINT of trouble with my feet, the very last place I'd put them is a bath full of biting little fish.

    Do you know what fish do in water ????

    Think about it.
    The ongoing fish poop is the first thing that any normal thinking person would have thought of. Enough said there. lol Perhaps the fish could wear teeny tiny waterproof diapers. That's makes about as much sense as some of the things I have read in this stupid thread. Offering legit and factual advice in this thread has been a total waste of time for obvious reasons, so I decided a cartoon was in order. Convoluted thinking, tangents, self made drama and dismissal of the truth is just something that gets on my last nerve. Seems to be a pattern with some people though. I can't believe I actually bothered to try and overcome that on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    And it's just about all availiable for free....
    Those of us who live in OZ, UK and other countries where medical treatments are free are very fortunate indeed. Podiadtry was free for everybody over sixty five in UK until fairly recently. It is still available to those who pass the means test which is better that nothing.

    The main reason that older people develop foot problems is uneven weight distribution caused by trouble with hip joints but another is weight loss. When anybody looses weight, it goes from places where fat is needed. The fat on the base of our feet protects the bone and when that goes, as mine has, the feet are very prone to corns and callouses which are painful.

    We have an aging population which is a growing market for foot therapies. It it is good to have discovered that fish therapy is not something to try on impulse, as calloused feet bleed very easily and the infections are passed on when bleeding occurs. When a podiatrist removes deep rooted fibrous corns, it is hard to walk more than a few hundred yards without pain. People will try alternatives.
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    Those of us who live in OZ, UK and other countries where medical treatments are free are very fortunate indeed. Podiadtry was free for everybody over sixty five in UK until fairly recently.

    The main reason that older people develop foot problems is uneven weight distribution caused by trouble with hip joints but another is weight loss. When anybody looses weight, it goes from places where fat is needed. The fat on the base of our feet protects the bone and when that goes, as mine has, the feet are very prone to corns and callouses which are painful.

    We have an aging population which is a growing market for foot therapies. It it is good to have discovered that fish therapy is not something to try on impulse, as calloused feet bleed very easily and the infections are passed on when bleeding occurs. When a poditrist removes deep rooted fibrous corns, it is hard to walk more than a few hundred yards without pain. People will try alternatives.
    One more time....buy and get properly fitted for orthodtics and wear properly fitted shoes with proper padding and support and use padded inserts in those shoes. Orthotics distribute the weigth of your body correctly and help to adjust your knees and back and keep a person walking correctly. That is their function! How often does this need to be said? If people get regular, proper pedicures, wear orthotics, and proper shoes, they will not develop calluses that will crack and bleed in the first place, or corns. Earth to Judy. If the issues are that serious because they have been untreated for a long time due to being a moron, you see a damn Podiatrist and get them taken care of, heal up and then continue to take care of your feet so that the issues don't arise again.

    http://www.cks.nhs.uk/patient_inform..._and_calluses# from your own health care system.

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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    One more time....buy and get properly fitted for orthodtics and wear properly fitted shoes with proper padding and support and use padded inserts in those shoes. Orthotics distribute the weigth of your body correctly and help to adjust your knees and back and keep a person walking correctly. That is their function! How often does this need to be said? If people get regular, proper pedicures, wear orthotics, and proper shoes, they will not develop calluses that will crack and bleed in the first place, or corns. Earth to Judy. If the issues are that serious because they have been untreated for a long time due to being a moron, you see a damn Podiatrist and get them taken care of, heal up and then continue to take care of your feet so that the issues don't arise again.

    I have been seeing a podiatrist for more than ten years and the ABC of the subject which you present is nothing but a bloody amateur opinion. Stick to givibg advice on subjects in which you are informed.

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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Obviously enough people are risking their health that the medical profession finds the need to issue more warnings:

    Warning over fish pedicure risks
    AAP October 18, 2011, 12:03 pm

    People with weak immune systems or underlying medical conditions are at increased risk of infection from controversial fish pedicures, UK experts have warned.

    Questions have been raised in recent months over the beauty craze which sees customers place their feet in tanks of water containing dozens of tiny Garra Rufa fish which nibble on dead skin.

    While the pampering carries a "very low" risk for healthy clients, those with conditions including diabetes and psoriasis have now been advised against the indulgence.

    The pedicures - which are popular in Asia - have been banned in some US states, including Florida, Texas, New Hampshire and Washington amid fears that infections could spread through open wounds.

    Dr Hilary Kirkbride, consultant epidemiologist at the HPA, said: "Provided that good standards of hygiene are followed by salons, members of the public are unlikely to get an infection from a fish spa pedicure, however the risk will be higher for certain people.

    "This is why we feel it's important for salons to ensure the client has no underlying health conditions that could put them at risk, and that a thorough foot examination is performed to make sure there are no cuts, grazes or existing skin conditions that could spread infection."


    Garra Rufa fish - a type of toothless carp - have become increasingly popular in salons across Britain, in part because of their novelty value.

    Dr Paul Cosford, director of health protection services at the HPA, said the risk posed by the fish tanks could be kept to a minimum if spas followed "strict standards of cleanliness".

    "If a member of the public is concerned about the level of cleanliness of a salon they visit, they should report this to their local environmental health department,"
    he said.

    Anyone considering a fish pedicure can help reduce health risks by ensuring cuts or infections on the feet or legs are given time to heal before treatment.

    Clients are also urged to wait at least 24 hours after having a leg wax or shaving to minimise the chances of contracting an infection.

    The HPA guidance has been endorsed by the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health and the Royal Environmental Health Institute of Scotland.

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    Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Obviously enough people are risking their health that the medical profession finds the need to issue more warnings:
    Strange that you should have brought this up again LRM. It is a "medical therapy" which seems to have crossed the River Thames. I saw it being practiced in an expensive Kensington High Street salon on the North side of the Thames, when I mentioned it before. I has come to Putney and I was thinking of printing out warnings from this site for the Putney Guardian.

    As I have got the local computer hardware and software systems engineers very interested in RS, I may put up a notice there. I decided not to try fish therapy as I found several grades of sandpaper and a pumice stone, that helped me to get rid of some problems between two month intervals to hospital podiatry clinic.

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