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    Exclamation Adlandpro Misses its Star Member - IS THIS CYBER-BULLYING!!!???

    She's gone but her memory lingers on!!

    The lovely, warm and friendly, Moderator of Adlandpro is gone. How sad. She is missed SO MUCH by her not-so-favorite people, they have to dedicate another forum to her.

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    Let's see, there are 7 pages, I believe.

    Bogdan allows this kind of cyber-bullying on his own website and accuses RealScam of it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/8/2011 9:42:46 AM
    Hello Friends,

    Rick, good to see you here and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I don't know if you recall but in a PM exchange I warned you about disagreeing with scratchycat in her threads. It appears from your comment that your posts were deleted and that doesn't surprise me at all. The fact that some are fawning over her in the AIF group also isn't surprising but it will be a short lived success .....aside from a few who are rabid instigators in any case.

    Amanda, You're so right when you say we're adults and should know how to disagree to disagree in a civilized manner. We've been friends for years and in the past we've disagreed and remain friends. I have no doubt we'll disagree again since our beliefs on certain issues are very different and I'm confident it won't affect our friendship.

    You know Kathleen this recent storm with scratchycat started cos of her vile backstabbing outside the community when she didn't succeed in getting her way within the community. You were the main recipient of her attacks and she would have or could have continued happily had you not found out about it. In the process we learned that she'd been badmouthing not only you but any person that ever had an altercation with her and called her out on her lies, lack of ethics, behind the scenes backstabbing and so much more. She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes. She also attacked Adland and Bogdan who she always professed to love dearly. Well if her actions are the result of love give me good old honesty, civility, straight and honest talking any day. I do believe her "popularity" in her new home will be short lived and they too will discover the real person that lurks behind the facade she tries to portray.

    The bottom line here is that while people may disagree there is no logical reason not to be able to discuss it civilly and in a polite manner without taking offense at the disagreements. Evelyn said that there are many she couldn't be friends with and that's true both on and off line.

    That said I'm always willing to rationally discuss issues based on facts but I lose interest when instead of facts we get innuendos, maybes, suppositions etc. I'm open to all discussions but in many cases I prefer ignoring certain posts cos they are repeats of past discussions and all that had to be said was said and I sometimes find repeating my self a bit boring and nothing will be accomplished by it. Ignoring a post is not impolite but it should be understood as a statement and accepted as such.

    Shalom,

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    She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes. She also attacked Adland and Bogdan who she always professed to love dearly. Well if her actions are the result of love give me good old honesty, civility, straight and honest talking any day. I do believe her "popularity" in her new home will be short lived and they too will discover the real person that lurks behind the facade she tries to portray.
    Hey Jerk,
    She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes
    That's why I called you the dirty 5!!

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/7/2011 8:06:40 PM
    Hi Rick and friends. Rick as I read about your "inspection" reminds me of what I have thought for a long time and that is, I doubt we will ever know just how much damage was done behind the scenes, but more and more is slowly leaking out.

    To be honest, there are some people here who I doubt I could ever be friends with, because, I guess you could call it a personality conflict, but I can still be cordial to them and I will, if they let me, but unfortunately there are a few here who won't even let you be cordial and I witnessed that recently, but not to me, to someone else.

    Tell your sweet Marilyn she is missed here and a lot of us would love to see her back, only if it was just occasionally. Tell her to at least think about it and tell her I said hello. :)
    She how sweet Miss Evelyn is??!! Marilyn wrote an article in AOV which I was asked to introduce - they made fun of her and it was right before she left the community. The community grapevine gossip has it that Marilyn took another member's husband from her (Kathy H.)!! Kathy, I hope you said Good Riddance!!

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    ARTICLE OF VIRTUE With Marilyn L. Martin | View Thread | AdlandPro Community

    Maybe one or two commented but that was before Gaby changed.

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    Had them going here for awhile, I did!!

    Hi Kathleen,

    I wrote the below post this morning after seeing scratchycat/the Blow's post. Just now as I was preparing to post it I saw that her post's been deleted. I can't believe you deleted her post so I assume she did and why doesn't that surprise me? In addition I'm adding some info I received in my gmail inbox this morning which I think you'll appreciate and also see the irony of it. An ex adlander still posting in Adlanders In Facebook. I guess she's using the pity me function she's so good at there now cos no one pities her here anymore. The person who sent it to me is a member of that closed group so I personally can't get access to it.

    Shalom,

    Peter

    Hi Kathleen, Evelyn, Jim, Scratchycat & All,

    I've participated in this thread for very obvious reasons. On a personal level I was here in regard to the Blow/Scratchycat entering my name in a supposed anti scam forum while I've not been selling online for quite a while now and the link in my sig line is a legitimate product sold internationally. Even that I'm not actively selling but there are still sales monthly due only to the link in my sig line.

    That said one can only assume that the mentioning of names is a revenge strategy against those that aren't scratchycat supporters and "lovers". The interesting part is that there aren't many left now since even they've realized that the persona she tried to build up was a facade and instead of love all you've got is a pathetically vengeful individual. Until she started disparaging members outside of adland in other sites on line she was the expert backstabber via PMs, emails, posts in AIF, Skype and the other messenger services. This anti scam site tactic had its limited success until you discovered this campaign of hers. Kudos to you for that.

    History always repeats itself. In her badly written rant here she's claiming the status of victim. While she's been in attack mode on that anti scam site since February badmouthing and maligning adland members and adland as a whole including admin. So I wonder who the real victim is? Those being maligned behind their backs or the person caught with her pants down. So I wonder why she thinks she's been unjustly brought to account in this thread? Being caught and the truth seem to be something she can't live with.

    The one true statement she made is that in your previous tenure as POTW leader I wasn't a supporter of your format and at the time I stated my reasons. What this shows is that people can disagree and still remain friends, a concept she's unable to understand. In her book if you disagree with me you're my enemy. Stupid but past history shows it to be true hence her expertise in deleting and banning.

    I don't know whether to congratulate you on your second round as the POTW leader or not and I'm not sure the one on one polls is the way to go. I've watched the slow demise of the POTW for quite a while now and it saddens me but doesn't surprise me. On a personal level and as a friend I'd rethink whether taking this on again at this time is the wise thing to do. In the end it's your decision and you know as I do how time consuming a task this can be even if the participation level is as low as it's been lately.

    Shalom,

    Peter




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    Sara G Blow Thank you Diane Bjorling, you can read the latest here:
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    Sara G Blow After the administration did not support me, I throw in the towel. I want no part of a community that allows this type of slander to continue. I also thank you about the age thing. My stepson was shocked this past weekend to learn that I will be 70 next year, he thought I was about 59!!! Made me feel good!! That is what I want to feel good, present beauty and help others. I want no part of evil.
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    Nick Grimshawe Hi Sara, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I wish you well. Hopefully you will post here from time to time.
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    Hi Peter,
    I didn't delete anything, I don't know if posts disappeared after she left the community last night or were deleted before that.
    I think she does not read a lot of stuff, the ad she copied into the scam site clearly stated that I'd help people who joined up to a certain level, and that ad WAS obviously FOR another person, and yet I was referred to as a "culprit". I actually do put part of my commissions into paid advertising for other people who join at certain levels under me and my direct referrals.
    When I first contacted her on Sept 28th, I sent a link to that scam site and she replied about something else, she had not even read the message properly, it was only a few line message, and it seemed as if she had completely forgotten she had ever posted that earlier this year.
    Also I was banned from Adlanders In Facebook at the end of last year for making a comment about I think nominees should be members for more than 2-3 weeks before being on the ballot, and I was banned for that, even though she had made her comment at AIF about hoping someone wouldn't win...and then several months later, Barry put a rule into effect for the ALP elections about people needing to be members longer, that's exactly the reason I was banned by the AIF admin.
    Wanting no part of "evil"? Referring to someone as a CULPRIT for doing exactly what my ad said I'd do...and she also hoped a nominee would not win while she was anonymously helping with the election last year. Those 2 issues don't sound like goodness.
    **I really think the community should take a break from the POTW for a long time and think about if they really want an election, or let different people run it from week to week, or brainstorm different ideas about it. The main reason I decided to start doing it again was to offer Sara a partnership, as an olive-branch, but that's probably not a reasonable idea. I know she'd been interested in it since I was running it 2 years ago because I remember questions, and I said the advertising area should be studied by anyone interested in being a POTW partner because the prizes are advertising.
    The ONLY reason I made a write-in election in 2009 was because I was still not thrilled about the tons of extra votes in January 2007, and that election could have been restarted.
    I'm willing to be civilized with people if they are also, most people can agree to be civilized, even after arguments, most adults are not longterm base idiots.
    I think our former member would be surprised to know that some of us were actually concerned about her emotional well-being, since this was such an outrageous situation that was way beyond her usual.
    Actually, Nick G. was someone I had in mind the other day when I mentioned a mutual nonbiased friend might be given her password to the other site just to see IF that thread IS or is NOT deletable.
    The reason I mentioned senior-citizenship the other day is because I pay taxes IN and she gets money OUT as a senior who I assume may be getting Social Security, and her efforts to cut a younger person's income and therefore cut the amount of taxes I'd have to pay IN would be ultimately effecting any OUTGO, and seniors don't need to start receiving LESS now, that's a really bad idea, to try to squelch the income of anyone who's actually paying in, or make earning difficult for a lot of people who work from home.
    Hi Kathleen,

    Just a short post cos I'm about to call it a night and get some sleep.

    She hasn't left Adland. Scratchycat is still a member ...... without a pic.

    Since I live in a different time zone I was asleep when she posted her "dramatic" announcement. One of my friends copied it and sent it to me via email. If you wish I can post it here so people will understand what our replies are referring to.

    Shalom,

    Peter.
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    One of his 'sheeple' sent that to him!

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    This was from a friend but it tells it like it was and then got even worse.

    Sara, this is what I just sent xxx xxxxx and it pretty much says what I would have told you to.

    I've folded my tent here in alp as the ads have gotten me nowhere. I don't like the loose intreprtation of the words forum, comments and personal messages. Nothing has changed as far as acceptable behavior. I'm spending my ad money in 12 sec commute and see how that goes. Its small and monitored and googled in 2 days but on page 2. See how long it takes to jump over alp and be on page . LOL LOL

    I am going to put up the Welcome New Member forum and for selfish reasons. If it helps people that's good but I'm done trying to help people here. Continue to post on any of my forum threads as they google. Love your support. Few here understand that concept sadly so they put up their ads in invisible ink and leave in a week or two. What can you do? Time spent linking with people and promoting others does no good as community is non-existant. I failed to read the death notice and functioned as if it were still alive. Those false expectations cost me dearly. Now my profile is back up and I am on my way with a different perspective. In otherwords, same ol same ol here in happy land. Keep in touch

    Sara, I know you and Jim Allen don't hit it off to put it mildly but he leaves me alone so I can hang out there. I was wasting my money here. The tools here are probably good but there is no help to understand them. I opened the door to learn by creating the forum on Affiliate Adlandpro. Bogdan liked it, complimented me, and gave assistance in the background. He monitored the forum but missed his chance to use it as a learning tool for new people or those who wanted to make money as an affiliate by not posting himself. I think he is too busy in politics, climbing the mountain of love and chasing UFO. ALP is cleaner now as new profiles have slowed down with the crap profiles. Maybe he has gotten the message. But from past experience it will not last. He will walk away and it will start all over again.

    So now my pic is back up and lets see who comes to welcome me---ooops can't comments is still closed, forums are locked.

    See you around little sunflower lady of Ks.
    She stuck with the Allen guy but let me know things were not going well, then she just vanished.

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    "grumpyoldfart" who is a RS member and the webmaster of Ex Adlanders has just opened a new art forum and I will be contributing to it as I have a lot to tell people about Joanne Pemberton Longman whose work is becoming very famous on both sides of The Atlantic. I have also been able to provide some art forums with some useful biographical information about Joanne. Joanne was single when World War 11 broke out so she had three choices. 1) To join the armed forces. 2) To work in a munitions factory or 3) To work on the land and dig for victory.

    Joanne chose to work on the land and she lived with our family during World War 11. I could never understand why my brother and sister said that she was part of our family but not my sister.

    I have also got some marvelous stories about John Wesley the famous World War 11 artist whom I met in Putney when I knocked on his door and asked him if he would like to sell any of his paintings on a fine art web site.

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    E: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again8/9/2011 4:33:50 PM

    Hi Friends,

    I've been asked by admin to end the discussion in this thread. He requested that the person discussed here control herself and not bash and badmouth people without provocation and reason. We'll just wait and see what happens in the future. This thread is no longer active.

    Shalom,

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    and now it is allowed again... wonder why??

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    HERE HE GOES!!! The great big wolf in sheep's clothing...

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/6/2011 9:07:11 PM
    Hello Friends,

    This thread has been locked for a while but I decided to temporarily reopen it to express my thoughts on recent happenings and the changes I see in the community as a direct result IMO.

    As many of you know by now Sara Gardner aka scratchycat aka the blow was banned /expelled from the community. I won't go into the reasons since I'm sure most of you are aware of them by now and I personally think it should have happened a long time ago but as the saying goes it's better late then never.

    I noticed a few interesting things lately. Members who all of a sudden came out of the closet and admitted that they too had altercations and blow ups with scratchycat and a result learned her true character. Others simply described her in ways that I and a few others were claiming was the real Sara Gardner and not the facade of the caring and loving persona she tried so desperately to portray.

    In any case I've noticed that since her "departure" the community's become a much friendlier place. Nothing's changed there still are political differences, and belief structures but they are discussed in a friendly manner that is conducive to lively discussions and make interesting reading.

    Just my thoughts and I for one hope this friendly atmosphere is here to stay.

    Shalom,

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    This was in 2007, does not sound very peaceful to me and that was before I became active. I joined in 2006 but left for several months then came back, had no clue what CRC was at that time.

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    Conflict Resolution Committee2/1/2007 10:26:57 AM
    Hello Everybody

    As some of you might have heard, there have been proposals made by several members on different occasions that we need a group of people in the community which would help with identifying potential issues between our members early enough so they can be dealt with before any serious problems occur.

    Recently William Vanderbilt provided such a suggestion and I have asked him to take a lead in formulating such ideas.
    He came to me with following mission statement, and we currently are looking for a group of volunteers who would be interested in sitting on such committee.

    When I say volunteers I entirely mean that. There is not going to be any rewards for this position or perks.
    If you decide to be part of this body, you will agree to be available when group needs you.

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/6/2011 9:33:24 PM
    Hello Peter,

    I must agree with you, the atmosphere is much better than it was. I'm glad to see that Admin finally saw the light.
    In a way, I almost feel sorry for her as she must be a very unhappy person within herself.
    We will always have difference of opinions it's what life is all about but we can do it in an adult way. Heck my husband and I have a lot of differences but we're still together...lol...and I still love him.
    I am proud to have you as a true friend Peter, thank you for your friendship.
    Shalom
    Wrong, as usual!! Smiley Kitty is still around and happy to be rid of you people!

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    I see your concernes.

    The committee's role is not to censor. In fact committee won't have any decision making abilities. The committee will only get involved when problems are reported (this happens now with the difference that I'm the only one who looks at the problem) and members of this committee will have chance to observe the problem and analyze the history and make recommendations to what decision should be made.

    In the past several problems have been developing over the time and I was notified when they were at its pick. In most cases this was not only too late but it required from me substantial devotion of my time to determine what the problem is. As you might suspect, the problem never was what one party was attempting to communicate to me. In most cases after investigating I could get to early stages of the problem and find that both parties contributed to it quite often equally.

    So the committee's role will be giving me an objective view of what is going on and give recommendations as to the course of action.
    In addition more than one set of eyes will be available while problem is developing not when it already has developed.



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    Re: Georgios VS JoAnne -TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN2/15/2009 10:19:07 PM
    Hello Georgios,

    I had prepared a different post then the one I am going to post now. I will relate to each point where you mentioned my name and state that the way you worded YOUR post is misleading and the answers I give now will be the last time I discuss this matter with you.

    You wrote:
    JoAnne Green and Peter Fogel, two AdLandPro POTW awarded members, meaning they are something special, beloved by the community and responsible to make this place better, tried to mislead the whole community by telling you that I am an e-banking scammer and I am he who reported JoAnne’s forums for improper information!

    The last first. No where did I mention that you reported JoAnne's forums. Here are the exact words I used and you "assumed" wrongly that I thought it was you.

    BTW, did you know that 2 of your Town Crier threads have been reported bor abuse? Now how funny is that? 3-From Adland Town Crier -- Notification of A Veiled Threat on AdlandPro -- What To Do If You Feel That Your ID, Credit Cards and Bank Accounts May Be Compromised | View Thread | AdlandPro Community

    How far is that from saying it was you. That is the only public mention made on that issue. In a private chat I told you that I knew it wasn't you but had suspicions of 2 that probably did. That was a misleading statement you made.

    Never anywhere did I say you were an e-banking scammer. Find it and show it to me. Another misleading statement.

    You wrote: I also informed JoAnne and Peter to follow this forum and to know how our common friends feel about their friendly attack on me. This is the PM I received from you:

    From Georgios Paraskevopoulos: Your opinion counts

    Date: 2/8/2009

    I have chosen you from JoAnnes list.
    Please go and tell your opinion. No replies. Nobody will know who and how he voted. This will be sent to 100 friends of JoAnne's.
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    ETERNAL WISDOM-Know ThySelf, PHILOXENIA COMMUNITY, UBIEE, BBS GLOBALThat is a far cry from what you wrote in your post now. Another misleading statement. BTW, when you post a thread it goes to all the members of your forum and your friends so the 630 views when we chatted earlier and the now 721now is comprised of your friends too. And you said you only communicated with 100 common friends so again a misleading statement.

    As to the people that reported you to the various authorities I will only say I wasn't one of them.

    You wrote:

    During this week I made about 70 new friends in AdLandPro. I don't think they know about this dispute and if they know they don’t believe in what Peter and JoAnne want them to believe on me.
    Georgios, Those that know me in the community know I will be polite when I post but I won't mince words when I believe something has to be said. As I mentioned earlier I never said you were an e-scammer nor that you reported JoAnne's forums. Find it if you can. You know this and yet yet you mislead with outrageously misleading statements. The only people enjoying this are the attention seekers and pity mes and we all know who they are.

    I will say this though about your example and your poll as well. The example was a terrible one and can be understood as a veiled threat. Your poll had 4 options and only one was favorable to you. It was worded not well and it appears that you had an agenda in advance namely the above misleading post. You reached the following conclusion from the results of the poll:

    It is clear to me that in the eyes of our common friends I am not a trustable person either as a threat for e-banking cheats or person who hits his friends behind their back.

    It is impossible to do a serious statistical analysis of a poll with 31 votes and at the time we chatted there were 630 views and now 721 and probably more by the time I post this. The poll ends at midnight so it might change in anycase. Especially when the poll voting options were one sided to begin with 75% negative and only 25% positive. That is less then 5% of the views and that is what you based your conclusions on? I read earlier that friends of yours stated that they didn't vote and they would have voted option 4. There are plenty others that probably felt te same. One final point on this issue. You will probably be surprised to read this but in the close group of Joanne's friends there were those that voted option 4. I know this from personal knowledge.
    You see Geo, you mislead all the time in your "To Whom It May Concern". I didn't lose in the other dispute. I still firmly believe my allegations were true and so do many others. I stated then that for me it was a closed issue and here you are reopening it. As to my BTW, read it again Geo. I thought it was funny then and I still do. Do you want another BTW? In regard to the "other" dispute I know what your thoughts on that matter are too.

    When the issue with deleted post started on the last night of the POTY poll 2 things happened.

    1. The POTW team immediately resigned both publicly and I sent a PM to Bogdan to that affect right after the announcement in the POTY thread. So Bogdan (admin) didn't discharge us it was of our own volition.

    2. I removed myself from the POTY contest.

    I also sent Bogdan a PM explaining why I removed myself and that Pauline is the winner.

    Everything above is documented and can be found in the POTY thread and the PM I sent Bogdan he posted when he announced Pauline was the 2008 POTY.

    Gang of four? Interesting, the only gang I see now is a gang of one (with background supporters) that is trying to get his revenge with misleading statements.

    I see Joanne and Peter all the time. Well I'll tell you this Geo. I gave you my recommendation in our chat just before you posted the above J'Accuse. I read your reasons why this is a problem for you in the chat and I can understand your fears. I can also understand Bogdan's concern.

    I will tell you this. Just as you asked me when we made our truce/peace just last month that I ask Joanne to delete her thread my reply then was that JoAnne is a strong independent woman. She will do as she sees fit and will not be swayed by attempts to convince her to do anything against her will. The same in this case. If Joanne sees fit to delete her threads that is her choice. It is not my place nor have I the right to tell her what to do. I can tell her what my opinions are and she will in the end do as she sees fit and/or as her attorneys advise her to do.

    My conclusion is different from yours. I believe that this act was planned in advance and that includes the poll (the options and wording is enough for a discerning reader to see that). I guess you want your revenge and I wonder if it might not just boomerang right back at you.

    As I told you in our chat last night (our time) my belief is that you are going about this in the wrong way and it most probably could have been resolved in a different manner.

    Shalom,

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    This whole thing with Peter & Jim started in 2008 when they were running the POTW and the Foto Contest. I deleted the messages I received from them and then learned that I needed to have saved them!! After it was going full blast, I kept them:

    From Peter Fogel: Hello Sara Date: 11/18/2008 Hello Sara, I started a thread about your attacks on me. Amongst other things in the thread I wrote about your allegation that I continued to attack you via PMs which is of course not true. In the same manner that I didn't attack you in the nominations thread. Both in the thread and in the PMs I tried to resolve the issue in a friendly and peaceful manner as you can see when you read my post in the nominations thread. My post in the nominations thread I entered into the new thread I started today. The PMs I won't cos they were and are personal messages between us and I won't post them publicly unless I have your express approval to do so. If not I asked that we find a non biased member here in adland to read them and "judge" if I attacked, was ugly or anything negative in the PMs or only polite and friendly at all times. A person I thought of is xxx. If you agree please let me know via PM or by posting in the thread. Or allow me to post the PM correspondence (the best option in my opinion) directly in the thread for all to see and judge for themselves. Here's the link to the thread: http://community.adlandpro.com/forum...d/1158163.aspx Sara, I really don't understand what your agenda is but I think you might have a faulty memory of what occurred and how I dealt with it. I can't allow your imagination to harm what I consider to be my good name. Thomas publicly apologized and I think an apology from you is in order too. You have a strange way to deal with people that treated you nicely and with respect. The last comment includes your actions against ex-member too. It's not enough to say "I'm a good person" you actually have to be one. In the past few days you weren't. Maybe there were some that egged you on to do what you did but I don't think you made a wise decision. Shalom, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Peter, I am sorry you refuse to just let this go. We are simply not able to communicate as has been proven in past PMs.

    You do what you feel is correct. He was and has been a very good friend and supporter for all of us. What you call 'friendly and peaceful manner' is not my way of thinking. I am not saying I am correct and you are wrong. We just don't speak the same language even if it is English.

    Peter, my 'agenda' as you call it is simple. I try to treat everyone nice. I am a true friend. I try to live my life with Jesus as my prime example. I do say 'try' because it is not possible for a human being to do that. I am not perfect, I make mistakes - I am more than likely making one now by even trying to respond to you. You seem to make something of my words that is simply not what I meant them to be. I am a sensitive, an artist, a creative person. I would never hurt anyone intentionally but sometimes it just happens. Those are times when I know I 'should have' kept quiet when I did not. I live to regret those times. Very few people totally understand me, I am very complex - whether a gift or curse, I don't know. About your good name, what about mine? You have ridiculed me and others.

    You made this statement:

    It's not enough to say "I'm a good person" you actually have to be one.

    I sincerely agree with that and think it applies to you as well. Do you think 'making fun of other people' shows you as being a good person?

    I want this over with, an end to it as I stated publicly. As you have probably noticed I have unblocked you and Jim from my forum but I will not take up anymore debates with either of you. My time is not to be wasted upon things of this nature, there are more things much more important and joyful.

    The issue that you keep bringing up about xxx and her family. God knows I would never think of harm to those dear people. The forum was an ingenious idea and entertaining until you turned it bad. What you started is not something this community represents. End of that Period.

    I don't think I want to read what you have posted. I cannot let you make me ill again. God has helped me get stronger and I need to stay that way for as long as I can. There is too much work to be done.

    NOTE: At this point, I had let these emotions make me sick.
    These are words from my heart in answer to yours. I don't know what you see from the other side of this screen but God knows me and that is enough.

    Sincerely,

    Sara
    Of course he did not stop, he even put up an entire forum thread dedicated to continuing the harassment and Bogdan never stopped it. Almost 2 years later it was deleted at my request.

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    Life is hard enough and people do not need to be bullied and harassed in an online community. Leaving is not always an option a person can take because they leaves them to continue just as they are doing now. I am not letting it upset me - far from it now. What I am doing is letting them rant and saving each post. How can the owner of this Adlandpro community accuse RealScam of doing what he freely allows on his own website. At least with RS, there is a goal and that is to bring attention to internet crime. What they continue to allow is personal defamation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Why are people so stupid (as I was!!) to do the dirty work for him!! As an owner aren't you supposed to HIRE people to work for you??!!! Not just started, has it??
    As Bogdan was making money off of that place he absolutely should have hired someone qualified to to care of the place and deal with any issues. Now he has unhappy advertisers and fighting members driving away his traffic which it turns out was generated to quite a degree by spammers, prostitution related posts, drug advertisers, MLMers, scammers and the like. They are certainly not the kind of clientele any legitimate reputable advertiser is looking for as they are only there to peddle their own junk such as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Life is hard enough and people do not need to be bullied and harassed in an online community. Leaving is not always an option a person can take because they leaves them to continue just as they are doing now. I am not letting it upset me - far from it now. What I am doing is letting them rant and saving each post. How can the owner of this Adlandpro community accuse RealScam of doing what he freely allows on his own website. At least with RS, there is a goal and that is to bring attention to internet crime. What they continue to allow is personal defamation.
    Anything to try and discredit the messenger theory. Since Bogdan can't refute any message about his cesspool of a forum. He wants to change the subject to anything but an honest discussion about the content of that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    Life is hard enough and people do not need to be bullied and harassed in an online community. Leaving is not always an option a person can take because they leaves them to continue just as they are doing now. I am not letting it upset me - far from it now. What I am doing is letting them rant and saving each post. How can the owner of this Adlandpro community accuse RealScam of doing what he freely allows on his own website. At least with RS, there is a goal and that is to bring attention to internet crime. What they continue to allow is personal defamation.
    They are attacking you because you have caused them a great deal of harm and loss of revenue "scratchy." It is a badge of honour.

    When I posted the fact that I was still allowed to post in TG, "laidback" pointed out that this was because I had not done much to reduce their advertising revenue. It was true. I have been somewhat effete in my efforts to bring down TG. All my effort has gone into the battles with MyCashForums and Adlandpro. Hold up your head with pride.

    We have an Ex Adlanders forum and several Facebook groups where people who have seen Adlandpro for what it really is will start assembling in the near future. It has taken almost a year but most of my ex TG friends are members here now and I am delighted.

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:45:36 AM
    Hello Peter & co.

    It might be strange that I'm posting in this thread since I myself have asked to close it some time ago. Guess what, my prospective change somewhat since then, yet I'm still believing that this thread should be left to die.
    I don't claim to be immune from making mistakes and it is of course up to you how you take my message, but below I would like to post for you a definition of the Troll from wikipedia.


    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".

    While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, mass media uses troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6] The "trollface" (pictured right) has become a well-recognized icon of Internet trolling. It was drawn by deviantArt user Whynne and uploaded to the site in 2008. Whynne claims that the drawing was an attempt at recreating a comic character named "Rape Rodent".[7]


    The "trollface" or "coolface", is sometimes used to indicate trolling.[1]
    More on trolling here.


    This is what I have learned first hand and in my opinion whenever you are responding to trolling, you are just putting gasoline on the fire. Troll can only feed on negative energy. When you show distress, troll is happy. When you stop feeding negative energy to the troll, troll has to find another object of their aggression so they can elicit negative energy or they feel miserable. They can't stand positive energy because they feel insignificant.

    Also remember that trolls contribution to the society is to continually test hot buttons of individuals they are targeting to put them off the track. They might be used and supported by hidden agents e.g. competition, your enemies or just themselves to see if they can build carrier on your mistakes or create more traffic to their trolling nest.
    They need badly attention.

    So in my view if you want to use your energy for the positive area, start working on your business, improve your marketing, meet your friends or have a drink and laugh in a good company.

    Don't react to trolls. If you use your energy for positive areas, trolls will run away as they can't survive in such an environment. They will keep hovering over you if they smell the blood, but if you don't give them reason for that, they will go somewhere else. They can't create anything on their own, they just feed on others.

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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:49:59 AM
    Trolls also get stomped by 3 billygoats, according to the childrens story, the troll who lived under the bridge and told the goats they'd have to pay a toll to cross, ended up getting butted by the biggest goat and drowned in the moat. Drowned after being stomped by all 3.

    Trolls online are the same as the troll under the bridge, just sitting there waiting.

    Obviously having no family or loved ones, if they did, they'd have an offline support system reminding them not to be ridiculous.


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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:51:50 AM
    Kathleen,
    What I have noticed after I learned Bobby Brown's character was through Gone Country and of course after his divorce from Whitney Houston and all the bad press..I have not read anything negative on Bobby, he got himself cleaned up and seems to have been drug free.


    Whereby Whitney is still getting negative media from the few mags I flip through while waiting my turn at the grocery cash-out line.. Such a great place to catch up with the celeb antics cause I don't buy the mags.. LOL...and seems to still be suffering from drug addiction and meltdowns. It would seem that Whitney was the 'bad apple' in their relationship..


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    Hi Amanda,

    Thanks for that info! I realize that Bobby Brown had some serious issues during his marriage to Whitney Houston, and he has made some big mistakes in his life. I've always liked that song "My Prerogative" it's a very hypnotic tune and great lyrics. There's no way to separate great talent from human mistakes, but sometimes in peoples' future life, they try to get on a better path.

    I'm going to post more music with my statements here soon, music really IS part of our lives, and there are good messages and calming/positive factors in favorite songs.


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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 4:05:56 AM
    Hello Peter,


    No it will not affect our long term friendship, like you say we have been friends for several years and I respect you... However, there have been times lately that I could 'slap you over the head with a wet noodle', and I am sure you could do the same to me when we do not see eye to eye.


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    Amanda, You're so right when you say we're adults and should know how to disagree to disagree in a civilized manner. We've been friends for years and in the past we've disagreed and remain friends. I have no doubt we'll disagree again since our beliefs on certain issues are very different and I'm confident it won't affect our friendship.
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    RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 7:27:45 AM
    Hi Bogdan,

    Thanks for your post it's much appreciated and I loved the definition of Troll. Sorta suits the subject of this thread to a T.

    When I reopened this thread I wrote :
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    This thread has been locked for a while but I decided to temporarily reopen it to express my thoughts on recent happenings and the changes I see in the community as a direct result IMO.
    so basically it was to show the positive changes in the community as a result of the forced departure of scratchycat/Sara Gardner/ the blow.

    I had a good laugh this morning when I read an email from a good friend with a link to scratchycat's latest thread in her new home and believe it or not this thread was the topic. And I naively thought RS considered itself a scam buster site/board?? Guess admin there will now have to redefine the agenda and goals of that site now that she's part of them (hmmmm, maybe they should add trolling and gossip allowed :) ). Wonder when they'll realize they're being used and they are just the latest props for her to hide behind.

    Your suggestion to let this thread die is accepted cos it never was my intention to keep it open on an ongoing basis. Just as a platform to express my views on the healthier atmosphere here in Adland since she was blown away by her own actions and her house of cards came crumbling down. So I'll leave it open over the weekend and lock this thread again on Monday morning.

    We never know what the future will bring and I just might open it again in the future if the need arises.

    Hope you had a great birthday Bogdan.

    Shalom,

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    Shalom,

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    I had a good laugh this morning when I read an email from a good friend with a link to scratchycat's latest thread in her new home and believe it or not this thread was the topic. And I naively thought RS considered itself a scam buster site/board?? Guess admin there will now have to redefine the agenda and goals of that site now that she's part of them (hmmmm, maybe they should add trolling and gossip allowed :) ). Wonder when they'll realize they're being used and they are just the latest props for her to hide behind.
    You have had some good laughs off me for some years now, isn't it getting kinda out of date?? Listen, Jerk, the reason I am posting is to show that cyber-bullying and harassment is allowed in Adlandpro - even for those of us who have no say there anymore (happy for that also!!). I look forward to the day when you find someone else to serve as your punching bag, the sooner the better. Yet, go ahead keep it up and you will see it repeated and ridiculed.

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    Don't react to trolls. If you use your energy for positive areas, trolls will run away as they can't survive in such an environment. They will keep hovering over you if they smell the blood, but if you don't give them reason for that, they will go somewhere else. They can't create anything on their own, they just feed on others.
    Bogdan, don't know where you came up with idea of Trolls but it makes no difference. Your members have been trying to tell you for years they exist in your Adlandpro and have hurt many members and you know who they are because you have been told over and over, yet you allow them to say those things and still be there. Your words quoted here are much the same as what we were told when we reported the harassment because you know for a fact these same people have been doing this same thing for a very long time. You never hear much from them until a member starts being attacked and here they come out of the woodwork with all their vile implications and bullying.

    I suppose Kathleen's forum totally devasting LaNell has been removed. I think I have it saved somewhere. I have the one you deleted of Peter's about me saved, just in case. You cannot deny that what you are allowing in that community is not what you have accused RealScam of doing.

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