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    Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students


    This is a long-running scam out of China with boiler rooms all over the world in the U.K. and Australia and possibly Italy as well. For only $2,999 you buy the right to work for free! Sounds too crazy for people to fall for right? But here's how they make you a believer..

    * Dozens of fake testimonials on YouTube
    * A really cool and modern website
    * News articles the spammed all over the web
    * 8 Fake "review" sites they themselves created with 78 phony identities
    * Promise of a high-paying job after you finish your internship

    The following links are from people who actually got taken and they tell the truth about this get a job now scheme:

    China Fraud Patrol: Scam Alert! CRCCAsia.com & ChinaSolutions.Com - Pay To Work Internship Fraud!

    China “Work Abroad” Scams Growing – Blacklist & Whitelists Now Being Compiled – YOUR Help Is Requested | China Scam Patrol

    Is CRCC Internships of UK a scam or legit? - Yahoo! Answers

    CRCCAsia.com - Just Another Chinese Scam?

    TEFL Forums • View topic - Warning! CRCC Internship China Scam - CRCCAsia.com

    http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=102203

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p...82#post1339682

    According to Scam.com, the company is registered to another company that does not exist and although the sales people at CRCC tell people they have been operating since 2006, the internet registry shows their website went online in 2011! Thet have over 200 ads posted online at university forums and they cold call unemployed people in the U.S. Canada, U.K., Spain, Greece, and Italy as well. Don't get screwed friends!

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    We are now aware that CRCC Asia is sadly the victim of a malicious campaign by a competitor to discredit our Award winning service through a coordinated strategy of posting inaccurate and defamatory information. Instead of pander to this distasteful attack, we are seeing it as a platform to further show the key credentials that have made CRCC Asia the number one organization that provides internships in China, and we encourage all potential applicants to look at our website, speak with our 3000 alumni and read why the company received a British government award for the work that we do in furthering youth links with China. This attack also strengthens our conviction that anyone who is interested in studying abroad or interning in China should fully do their research before choosing an organization, to ensure that they go with the most professional company available.

    CRCC Asia has been providing internships in China for eight years and we are the market leader in this sector, having arranged over 3000 placements for students from over 150 countries worldwide.

    Awards: We have won two very competitive Awards for our program – The Cathay Pacific China Business Awards and The British Business Awards, sponsored by the UK government. You can find the link here on the official UK government sponsored website - CRCC Asia | British Business Awards 2012

    Media: We have received excellent feedback from more than 200 interns on our program and we have had extensive coverage from various media including The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, Bloomberg, The BBC and many more. The links to the original articles can all be found on our media page - Media Coverage | CRCC Asia | China Internships, Study & Consulting - and you can contact the publications directly to request a copy of the article if required.

    Testimonials: We have numerous partnerships with universities around the world and we have alumni who have participated on these programs who would be delighted to be contacted to tell you more. We would also be happy to put anyone in direct contact with our partner universities who can tell you about our program and would be happy to provide references. Please see our student testimonials, all of which can be independently verified - Testimonials | CRCC Asia | China Internships, Study & Consulting

    Visas: For anyone interested in information about getting the correct F visa for a China internship, which is what we issue to all of our interns, please visit the website for China's Embassy. There is a comprehensive article about business visas and you will find that they are suitable for internships for periods up to six months. In order to issue this visa an invitation letter from one of our host companies is required so all of our interns know prior to departure the name, address and information for the company they will be working for. We ensure that every single one of our interns is on the correct F visa and we are one of the few organizations that oversee this whole process on behalf of the intern. We recommend that any prospective intern researches this aspect of service to ensure that his or her chosen China Program provider is doing this process correctly.

    Video: Our YouTube video clearly shows what our program looks like on the ground and is great to watch - CRCC Asia - Internships in China - YouTube. Several members of our team are featured in the video and you can call any of our offices at any time to speak to them.

    Global Offices: If you have any further concerns or queries, then please feel free to drop by or call any of our 8 global offices, which are all centrally located, in London, San Francisco, Pennsylvania, Beijing, Shanghai, Venice and Sydney. You will find that our offices are open from Monday to Friday, from 9am to 6pm (in their local time zone) and that there will always be someone at the end of the phone who is more than happy to help you. Due to our global offices, we can be contacted 24 hours per day, which allows parents or students to feel confident that there is always someone to talk to. You can alternatively contact us at directors@crccasia.com for any further information.

    Thank you again for reading this. The original post is sadly full of incorrect and slanderous information which may very well be written by another organization that is envious of CRCC Asia’s success, popularity and growth. It is for this reason that we encourage any prospective candidate to fully research CRCC Asia against that of any other and we are extremely confident that you will be happy with our service, credibility and background.

    Best Regards,

    CRCC Asia Management

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Quote Originally Posted by CRCC Asia View Post
    Thank you again for reading this. The original post is sadly full of incorrect and slanderous information which may very well be written by another organization that is envious of CRCC Asia’s success, popularity and growth. It is for this reason that we encourage any prospective candidate to fully research CRCC Asia against that of any other and we are extremely confident that you will be happy with our service, credibility and background.
    Best Regards,

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    So I don't have much time right now to look at all the information, other than to say I am always a little leery of people who claim to be professionals but don't know the definition of "slander". I have followed NoMaxim for a while on the scam thread and he brings up some good points, maybe you can address these and the other things you consider slander and why?

    Not taking sides yet, but I question people that claim competitors are posting negative things. Of all the things you could claim are inaccurate this is the best you can come up with? Can you be more specific, surely there must be a list of inaccuracies. I don't think anyone here wants to have bad information published, but by the same token we do not want organizations that are treating people in an unfair manner to continue to do so either.

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    First, I think where there is this much smokle there must be a fire and I agree with ribshaw that Scam.com is usually on top of stuff. Also any company that encourages its "customers" (victims) to break the visa/labor laws of another country just so they can make a quick 3 grand is shady to begin with. Having 8 "locations" means little to me if those 8 locations are just boiler room operations - dialing for dollars around the clock!

    Granted, these people have generated a lot of hype about themselves but just look at what they are selling... the opportunity to work for free, but you have to pay $3,000 for the privilege. This is like selling admission to a public toilet (remember the day of the pay toilet?)! Personally I think the scheme is audacious and if you have that good of a reputation as they claim, they would not even need to defend themselves on a dozen scam sites where they popping up like white on rice. Blaming their misdeeds on an "envious competitor" is lame in my opinion.

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    CRCC Asia here is the first link. China Fraud Patrol: Scam Alert! CRCCAsia.com & ChinaSolutions.Com - Pay To Work Internship Fraud! Would be very happy to read your point by point rebuttal. And for anyone that has a question about an organization like this try multiple calls. Give them a good story and see what they say, come across as a total idiot and see what they say, if both times they are asking for your credit card RUN.

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Just thought I'd point out that I can find no link between ChinaSolutions.Com and CRCCAsia.com.

    ChinaSolutions.Com is no longer an active website and per the WhoIs info they were involved in vacations, hotels, and stuff.

    whois.domaintools.com/chinasolutions.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Domaintools
    Also wanted to point out that this NY Times article cited at chinafraudpatrol.blogspot.dk makes no mention of CRCCAsia.
    The NYTimes article, and two other of the five links cited, appear to be red herrings.
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    So I don't have much time right now to look at all the information, other than to say I am always a little leery of people who claim to be professionals but don't know the definition of "slander".
    Or the definition of "libel".

    wikipedia.org/Defamation
    Some common law jurisdictions also distinguish between spoken defamation, called slander, and defamation in other media such as printed words or images, called libel.
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    According to Scam.com, the company is registered to another company that does not exist and although the sales people at CRCC tell people they have been operating since 2006, the internet registry shows their website went online in 2011!
    No, my Scam.com post (shown here in Post #3) doesn't say any of that.

    The company did start in 2006, as 'CHINA CONSULTING LIMITED'.

    Quote Originally Posted by companieshouse.gov.uk
    If you type in the url 'china-consulting.co.uk' it redirects to 'CRCCAsia.com'.

    The company changed its name, address, and website url in late 2009 to 'CRCC Asia Limited'. And thus it appears that the business registration for 'CHINA CONSULTING LIMITED' was dissolved about a year later.
    Quote Originally Posted by companieshouse.gov.uk
    You can check this information at companieshouse.gov.uk


    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    the internet registry shows their website went online in 2011!
    Umm, No.
    The domain whois.domaintools.com/crccasia.com was registered on 4FEB2009;
    Quote Originally Posted by Domiantools
    Not only was this domain registered in 2009. But, it was also registered to the same address as 'CHINA CONSULTING LIMITED' shown in their business registration above.
    And, per this BBC article from 25AUG2010 it's the same name.
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    You can also check the web archives over at archive.org/web for screenshots of the homepages of both websites over the years.

    For example,
    web.archive.org/web/http://crccasia.com shows a screenshot from 17JUL2009;
    Quote Originally Posted by archive.org
    And guess what? If you click on that date it redirects to...yep, a 3JUL2009 screenshot of the homepage for 'china-consulting.co.uk';
    Quote Originally Posted by archive.org
    'CRCCASIA.com' keeps redirecting until late 2009 early 2010. By 15FEB2010 'china-consulting.co.uk' begins to redirect to 'crccasia.com'.
    web.archive.org/web/http://www.china-consulting.co.uk/;
    Quote Originally Posted by archive.org
    Now TANK, do you have any questions?
    Or are you just going to continue to misrepresent what my posts say?

    PS.
    Would you happen to have any links that are any older then last month?
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Thanks for the homework NOMAXIM. I did some more digging after reading your explanation and see they have apparently hired one of those "online reputation rescue" companies because I found this link http://savedwebhistory.com/k/crcc-asia-scam and 23 other broken links to old complaints under the old name which is maybe why they changed their name like you said? Also there are still a few complaints with the new CRCC name floating around student forums in the UK like this one International Business Internships? - The Student Room and Anyone Heard of CRCC Asia? | Wall Street Oasis and this one but CRCC did a great job of "smothering" the complaints with what I believe to be phony rebuttals. Here is what a student name Channie had to say in 2011 (2 years ago):

    "(Original post by ChannieAlana)
    I applied for the general scholarship and for a 35% discount off the course (at this time the course was only 1495 to go for the month).

    My experience was AWFUL. The accommodation was old and most of the stuff in my apartment was broken. I got harrassed by a girl on the trip and she threatened me (which one of the coordinators was encouraging) and CRCC did nothing about it and said they would only intervene if I had physical evidence and even accused me of lying!

    Friends of mine had rubbish internships that were poorly organised and some people left their internships after the first week because they were so poorly organised and demanded to change internships and even one girl changed her flights so that she could leave after only being in Beijing for 10days as she was appalled.

    If you want to do an internship in Beijing, go with another cheaper company and don't fork out 2grand (like I did) on being stuck in a foreign country with a useless company that won't look after you at all.

    CRCC Asia is all for profit and I am disgusting that they have risen the prices since I first signed up because they do everything on the cheap and pump their money into bull**** advertising and are making lots of money off poor students who are desperate for the work experience. DO NOT GO WITH THEM!


    ANOTHER thing - They do not prepare you at all before you go. I was told £400 would be more than enough to live off of... I ended up spending near double that.
    If you have any further questions, just PM me.xxx "


    "Where you at Shanghai or Beijing? The September 2011 lot in Beijing had nothing but complaints, myself included. Especially about the poor accommodation and the fact the 'banquets' were more like meals which you had to pay for yourself. The 'welcome dinner' was the only thing we didn't pay for."

    I don't deny that CRCC actually provides a "service" and that there will always be dissatisfied customers in any business, but this CRCC group goes way out of its way to delete and hide all their complaints and the host 8 fake review sites that praise only themselves and find problems with all their competitors. For example in 2012 they were caught faking their own YouTube testimonials but the link that exposed two of their employees making the testimonials just vanished! Links don't just vanish unless someone deletes them. I know about this because my brother hired a hacker to delete crap his ex-wife fabricated about him on some forum. He paid something like $500 to get it deleted. CRCC probably makes that much or more every minute their telesales people dial away. So they can easily afford to hide their past and spam their propaganda all over the net.

    Besides, as was pointed out earlier...It is against Chinese laws for interns to be paid a salary and only last month did CRCC remove their online boasting about offering "the most paid internships in China". Do a little more homework and you will see interns go to China on an "F" visa and in order to work in China (legally) a "Z" visa is required by law. Here is a reference regarding this legal issue... VisaLaw International

    BUt just think how ridiculous it is that people are told to pay $3,000 to travel to another country to work for free! They could easily go to a China expat forum and find real jobs that pay money and avoid the "bait and switch" game that CRCC is continuously accused of playing. In my opinion there are issues of both legality and ethics involved here.
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankly My Dear... View Post
    but this CRCC group goes way out of its way to delete and hide all their complaints and the host 8 fake review sites that praise only themselves and find problems with all their competitors.
    And the url's for these 8 review sites are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankly My Dear... View Post
    Do a little more homework and you will see interns go to China on an "F" visa and in order to work in China (legally) a "Z" visa is required by law. Here is a reference regarding this legal issue... VisaLaw International
    May I suggest actually reading the information at the link you gave as it appears to disagree with your conclusion.
    Quote Originally Posted by visalawint.com
    As per the definition, an F visa is designated for individuals who are conducting various business or academic activities in China, and are not employed by a domestic Chinese company for these purposes. Common business activities include negotiations with suppliers, distributors, potential joint venture partners, or in furtherance of any other partnership relations. Though employment-related, many employees of multinationals who come to China to perform tasks on behalf of their foreign employer for the domestic branch enter and reside in China on such a visa, as it is a legal way in which to avoid the complicated procedures involved with Z visas (the task to be performed must be very specific, and cannot involve the primary work of the domestic Chinese company.)



    And since there appears to be some sort of hangup about '404' errors in this matter.
    What do you think about this one?
    CHINASCAMPATROL.ORG
    Quote Originally Posted by Google

    And since there also appears to be some hangups about WhoIs info.
    What do you make of this one?
    whois.domaintools.com/chinascampatrol.org;
    Quote Originally Posted by DomainTools
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Regretfully I posted the wrong link about China's visa law. I was almost going blind reading all the visa requirements and exemptions. Here is the link I found easiest to understand: China Work Visa (Z), Employment Visa Application Requirements but it still confirms that Z visas are a legal requirement to work in China and interns are not allowed to collect a salary. HOWEVER, a new law is going into effect in two weeks (July 1st, 2013) with even stricter requirements for foreigners to work in China and from what I can see there are no provisions at all in the law for interns to to obtain a visa. I sent off an email to the public affairs office of the PSB to ask for clarification and as soon as they reply, I will post it here. Here's a link announcing the new visa law changes coming in two weeks https://www.gov.uk/government/world-...migration-laws. At present I understand that interns coming to China are told to obtain an "F" visa but F visas will not even exist after July 1st, 2013. The web site of the Ministry of Labor also confirms that interns are not allowed to be compensated in China. I apologize for mistakenly posting the 2007 Visa law link in my previous post by error. (I was in a hurry to go golfing and copied the wrong link - sorry).

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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankly My Dear... View Post
    Regretfully I posted the wrong link about China's visa law. I was almost going blind reading all the visa requirements and exemptions. Here is the link I found easiest to understand: China Work Visa (Z), Employment Visa Application Requirements but it still confirms that Z visas are a legal requirement to work in China and interns are not allowed to collect a salary. HOWEVER, a new law is going into effect in two weeks (July 1st, 2013) with even stricter requirements for foreigners to work in China and from what I can see there are no provisions at all in the law for interns to to obtain a visa. I sent off an email to the public affairs office of the PSB to ask for clarification and as soon as they reply, I will post it here. Here's a link announcing the new visa law changes coming in two weeks https://www.gov.uk/government/world-...migration-laws. At present I understand that interns coming to China are told to obtain an "F" visa but F visas will not even exist after July 1st, 2013. The web site of the Ministry of Labor also confirms that interns are not allowed to be compensated in China. I apologize for mistakenly posting the 2007 Visa law link in my previous post by error. (I was in a hurry to go golfing and copied the wrong link - sorry).
    I believe that this one may also apply.
    China Student Visa (X), Study Visa Application Requirements;
    Quote Originally Posted by travelchinaguide.com
    Student Visa is divided into X and F Visa. X Visa is issued to aliens who come to China for study, advanced studies, or fieldwork for more than 6 months. F Visa is issued to aliens who come to China with same purpose but for a period of less than 6 months.

    The organization must be accredited for offering courses or internships to foreigners. They will send you a JW201 or JW202 form and an admission letter. Submit these with photocopies with your visa application.

    You are not permitted to work on this visa 'without permission'. You should contact you university or employer after you have settled in to see what can be arranged. However, many students moonlight, especially teaching English. Should the authorities discover this, you will probably just have to stop though expulsion is always a small possibility.
    In the US it is very similar. A student visa does not allow you to work. However, you can get an exemption to work, but only for a specific employer. At present I have two grad students working for the summer, one from China and one from India. My university employes many of our foreign students. kent.edu/about/Employment/

    Besides, some degree programs require a internship before the degree is awarded. Therefore those people would still be classified as students.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankly My Dear... View Post
    but this CRCC group goes way out of its way to delete and hide all their complaints and the host 8 fake review sites that praise only themselves and find problems with all their competitors.
    And the url's for these 8 review sites are?
    No luck with those url's yet?
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    Re: Beware CRCC Fake China Internship Fraud Targeting Unemployed & University Students

    The most important thing to know is this... The real genuine Fortune 500 and MNC internships are absolutely free, and every China internship requirese a Z visa. Get up to speed here friends and safe travels. China Internship Scam Alert... Real Fortune 500 China Internships Are Always Free | Open Letter

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