Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Theseus

Julie has already confirmed the link between that email address and BB, but just in case you doubt the link....

No, not that - the two csmith email addresses on that page of HTML. Everything posted after that is based on the assumption that the two emails are for the same person - where's the proof or evidence that it is? Unlikely to be two different people, I agree - but not out of the realms of possibilty, and deniable.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

No, not that - the two csmith email addresses on that page of HTML. Everything posted after that is based on the assumption that the two emails are for the same person - where's the proof or evidence that it is? Unlikely to be two different people, I agree - but not out of the realms of possibilty, and deniable.

The address and the phone number

110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R 3V5
Canada
(661) 770-9988

tie in with both the csmith5000 and domainservice80 email addresses, and the csmith5000 one comes from "that page of html" The page of html ties in with the Chris Smith who works at Mobile-Financial, which relates back to the one on Linkedin, who went to Ryerson University....

Well done Julie Diligent, you certainly live up to your name, apologies in advance that my contribution is not nearly as useful
ATTN: TERRY STERN COMPLIANCE ISSUE THAT REQUIRES YOUR URGENT ATTENTION!!!!

clearly bannersbrokerprosperity has not received the memo that using mastercard's reputation is not ok, this poor girl Jo now believes that mastercard's logo on bb's prepaid cards is some sort of verification, this response given on their facebook page

Jo Chick oh ok thanks for your reply and for the proof, i don't quite understand though, Does mastercard endorse bannersbroker?
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Bannersbrokerprosperity Master Card is warranty well invested funds ....
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Source - http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerProsperity

I'm off researching duties tonight - if you lot have time, look into that email address (domainservice80@gmail); silverlineclub.com; bank121.com
You should be able to find the links between them, plus more.. but do they link to BB / CS?

Gosh terry stern, like you said you certainly must be far too busy with all these compliance issues to be trolling forums
this from sanny butt's facebook page .....source- http://www.facebook.com/sanny.butt.5

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December 30, 2012 at 10:22pm via mobile

Sanny Butt You can join for free to start with. It is your online advertising business. the company acts as broker and you rent online advertising space from them. they place companies ads on your space and then you make revenue. the revenue is upto 200 percent of your investment. since it is online even when you are sleeping you make money. you can start with as little as a few hundreds or you can invest big. JUst to show you some amazing results i have put up pics of my ewallet. over 250,000 people have joined this company in last two years and it is growing every day crazily. Jump in and you can have financial freedom in the next year to come. All my friends who joined have had same results. you dont have to refer any one dont have to make any sales.
December 31, 2012 at 5:35pm

dont fret terry mate, I have saved screenshots for you so no worries if these posts are deleted the proof is saved to assist you in your compliance work, only to happy to help you out mate
and yes he also displays his bb screenshots, very impressive growth over 6 months while sanny sleeps!!, given your previous statements about making a "small" profit and anything more requiring effort, a true bb miracle

A small point that Terry might like to address, we know that there's Banners Broker and the previous Banner Broker, Stellar Point Inc and Stellarpoint, well there's also the Monetize Group, "parent company of Banners Broker" and.....


The Monetize Group

Another coincidence, Terry? Do you think we came down with the last shower?

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From the talking BB site this morning (posted a couple of days ago, but I couldn't find time to download pages from talkingbb due to hectic schedule at work).

Posted by Terry Stern

BB buys ad space from ad networks with the understanding that they're going to package that ad space up and resell it to their network of affiliates. These packages contain panels, each panel has a certain
value and each has a specific time period it will take for that panel to mature, some as little as 2-3 weeks and some take 5-6 months or more. Each panel also requires a specific amount of traffic to mature. Each panel also has 2 values, what BB paid for it and what it's charging the affiliate for it.

With me so far?

As BB sells the panels through their packages, they require traffic for these panels to generate revenue, which BB purchases in order to service the traffic needs of the panels. In return for purchasing the panels, BB pays a dividend to the affiliate once the panel matures, however, that panel is generating live revenue as the panel is running from the ad network. So BB is generating revenue from the sale of packages to affiliates, as well as from the ad network for serving ads. The ads appear on the ad space BB has purchased from the Broker in the blind network, as well as on publisher sites BB has attracted. Whether BB has 1 site, 100 sites or 100,000 sites in their network , they've already purchased ad space through their affiliation with the ad network, and that ad space rests on sites within the ad blind etwork. So no matter what, there's advertising that will satisfy the panel needs. Since BB is paid every 2 weeks from the ad networks they do business with, and the panels mature at staggered intervals, BB is constantly serving ads and generating income. Now, it's understood no business will pay on its products what it gets paid to sell them, so BB reduces the amount it's paid by the ad networks for that advertising so it can afford to pay its affiliates and generate a profit.

Now since it takes traffic to generate ad revenue, BB purchases bulk traffic from the ad networks as well, which generate upwards of 3 Billion impressions per day. Again, since no company will sell a product for what it pays, it marks up the cost of the traffic to resell to the affiliate, the difference of course is profit for BB, and as BB owns the space and ads keep running, this revenue flows to BB. As it takes impressions to activate panels, and impressions for panels to mature, those impressions or traffic must be purchased up front. Now, an affiliate isn't required to use all their traffic up front, but they must purchase it up front, like a variety store can't buy individual cans of soda, it must buy cases. Since the purchased traffic represents a specific amount, and since each panel requires a different amount to activate, traffic purchases are constantly being made, and since BB only pays for what it uses, there's always going to be a surplus, which represents profit for BB.

So, if we look at things together, BB generates revenue from the banners placed in the space it purchases, and through the amount of time it takes for the panels (which is a virtual representation of an ad space BB purchased in the blind ad network) to mature, it generates revenue from the sale of traffic that it takes to activate those panels, and since it only pays for the traffic it actually uses, that's where the revenue BB generates comes from. Since it pays less to the affiliate than what it earns from the ads, and (to use an analogy) it pays on the cans of soda used not the cases bought, there's a surplus of revenue that represents profit that it can now turn around and pay its affiliates with while maintaining profitable growth.

Any advertising generated either through the site or through affiliates is passed through to the ad networks, BB takes a commission on that sale, and passes 10% to the affiliate for bringing in the business. When it comes to publishers (people looking to monetize their websites with ad revenue), those sites are added to the BB internal or "choice" network, and leveraged with the ad blind network to get better pricing deals. The affiliate is paid 10% of the revenue generated by the ads revenue to the publisher with BB and the publisher splitting the balance.

This is how BB works in a nutshell. We've already established what the Blind Ad Network is, and it can be easily researched. It's easily discovered that these companies all offer the ability for companies to
"resell" their products (ads and traffic) to other resellers. It comes down to packaging really and how these initial "resellers" package what these networks provide to them to add enough value to resell others.

Hopefully, this will explain to you better what BB does and how it does it.

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

From the talking BB site this morning (posted a couple of days ago, but I couldn't find time to download pages from talkingbb due to hectic schedule at work).

Posted by Terry Stern

BB buys ad space from ad networks with the understanding that they're going to package that ad space up and resell it to their network of affiliates. These packages contain panels, each panel has a certain
value and each has a specific time period it will take for that panel to mature, some as little as 2-3 weeks and some take 5-6 months or more. Each panel also requires a specific amount of traffic to mature. Each panel also has 2 values, what BB paid for it and what it's charging the affiliate for it.

With me so far?

As BB sells the panels through their packages, they require traffic for these panels to generate revenue, which BB purchases in order to service the traffic needs of the panels. In return for purchasing the panels, BB pays a dividend to the affiliate once the panel matures, however, that panel is generating live revenue as the panel is running from the ad network. So BB is generating revenue from the sale of packages to affiliates, as well as from the ad network for serving ads. The ads appear on the ad space BB has purchased from the Broker in the blind network, as well as on publisher sites BB has attracted. Whether BB has 1 site, 100 sites or 100,000 sites in their network , they've already purchased ad space through their affiliation with the ad network, and that ad space rests on sites within the ad blind etwork. So no matter what, there's advertising that will satisfy the panel needs. Since BB is paid every 2 weeks from the ad networks they do business with, and the panels mature at staggered intervals, BB is constantly serving ads and generating income. Now, it's understood no business will pay on its products what it gets paid to sell them, so BB reduces the amount it's paid by the ad networks for that advertising so it can afford to pay its affiliates and generate a profit.

Now since it takes traffic to generate ad revenue, BB purchases bulk traffic from the ad networks as well, which generate upwards of 3 Billion impressions per day. Again, since no company will sell a product for what it pays, it marks up the cost of the traffic to resell to the affiliate, the difference of course is profit for BB, and as BB owns the space and ads keep running, this revenue flows to BB. As it takes impressions to activate panels, and impressions for panels to mature, those impressions or traffic must be purchased up front. Now, an affiliate isn't required to use all their traffic up front, but they must purchase it up front, like a variety store can't buy individual cans of soda, it must buy cases. Since the purchased traffic represents a specific amount, and since each panel requires a different amount to activate, traffic purchases are constantly being made, and since BB only pays for what it uses, there's always going to be a surplus, which represents profit for BB.

So, if we look at things together, BB generates revenue from the banners placed in the space it purchases, and through the amount of time it takes for the panels (which is a virtual representation of an ad space BB purchased in the blind ad network) to mature, it generates revenue from the sale of traffic that it takes to activate those panels, and since it only pays for the traffic it actually uses, that's where the revenue BB generates comes from. Since it pays less to the affiliate than what it earns from the ads, and (to use an analogy) it pays on the cans of soda used not the cases bought, there's a surplus of revenue that represents profit that it can now turn around and pay its affiliates with while maintaining profitable growth.

Any advertising generated either through the site or through affiliates is passed through to the ad networks, BB takes a commission on that sale, and passes 10% to the affiliate for bringing in the business. When it comes to publishers (people looking to monetize their websites with ad revenue), those sites are added to the BB internal or "choice" network, and leveraged with the ad blind network to get better pricing deals. The affiliate is paid 10% of the revenue generated by the ads revenue to the publisher with BB and the publisher splitting the balance.

This is how BB works in a nutshell. We've already established what the Blind Ad Network is, and it can be easily researched. It's easily discovered that these companies all offer the ability for companies to
"resell" their products (ads and traffic) to other resellers. It comes down to packaging really and how these initial "resellers" package what these networks provide to them to add enough value to resell others.

Hopefully, this will explain to you better what BB does and how it does it.

Mildly useful - I would be more intrigued to know what the other Talking BB'er are making of this new change of direction. This information is merely an extension of what David Hooker has been spouting but re-iterises the new line of it not being an advertising company.

Sadly, I suspect the Talking BB'ers will be whooping and hollering at this new found methodology rather than thinking 'so we were ALL wrong before', rather than risk their account and membership of that forum!

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

Mildly useful - I would be more intrigued to know what the other Talking BB'er are making of this new change of direction. This information is merely an extension of what David Hooker has been spouting but re-iterises the new line of it not being an advertising company.

Sadly, I suspect the Talking BB'ers will be whooping and hollering at this new found methodology rather than thinking 'so we were ALL wrong before', rather than risk their account and membership of that forum!

I rather think it's much more likely that they, as I did, stopped reading after a few words. Not a snappy writer is he seeing as he has so much experience in PR? Needs a few more "hereinafter" "whereas" "aforementioned" - that would help a lot.

Oh yeah... it's not meant to be understood is it? (Rhetorical question there)

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So that's at ... 18801 Collins Ave, Sunny Isles Beach, Miami-Dade, Florida 33160, United States - Google Maps

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So he's listed as living at a condo. (That's if the website is accurate!)

Jason

So no sign of the shills and their 'I got paid' posts yet. Its early though...

Originally Posted by noname999

So no sign of the shills and their 'I got paid' posts yet. Its early though...

Or indeed any posts at all, I was expecting the BB cheerleaders to turn out in support of Terrence......

Originally Posted by Theseus

Or indeed any posts at all, I was expecting the BB cheerleaders to turn out in support of Terrence......

He did ask them to stop posting though. My they are very obedient, they must be scared out of their minds...

Originally Posted by noname999

He did ask them to stop posting though. My they are very obedient, they must be scared out of their minds...

Disobeying a direct order is a capital (i.e., you lose your) offence.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Disobeying a direct order is a capital (i.e., you lose your) offence.

When it is known and openly admitted to by the BB hierarchy, I can't understand why people still sign up!

The date on this is interesting if it's the same Chris Smith...

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Does that mean, assuming it is, that the CEO of Banners Broker kept his day job?

I see that Mr Stern did not reply yesterday to the question. Perhaps because he had already stated that he would not give any more info on Chris Smith. Noname now that Julie has provided a lead on Chris Smith, and Im sure some of the experts are following it up, would it be worth changing the question? Im sure there are many others.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

I see that Mr Stern did not reply yesterday to the question. Perhaps because he had already stated that he would not give any more info on Chris Smith. Noname now that Julie has provided a lead on Chris Smith, and Im sure some of the experts are following it up, would it be worth changing the question? Im sure there are many others.

I'd like him to explain the "double your money" and "our own network of sites" posts on the official blog from the early days, before David Hooker came up with all the bs that's being spouted presently.

Finding Chris Smith with the miniscule amount of information we have on him is going to be difficult.

I still don't think the guy at the top is called Chris Smith. I still think the man of African-American descent (I think he is) that we see is just a scapegoat; as is the name.

Raj seems like the real man behind it; and Donald was the creator - I could be wrong though.

We need to question either Kul or Ian. Kul or Ian; if you are reading this thread ... please speak to one of us. Contact me directly at jason-clark@outlook.com if you wish.

Originally Posted by Poyol

Finding Chris Smith with the miniscule amount of information we have on him is going to be difficult.

I still don't think the guy at the top is called Chris Smith. I still think the man of African-American descent (I think he is) that we see is just a scapegoat; as is the name.

Raj seems like the real man behind it; and Donald was the creator - I could be wrong though.

We need to question either Kul or Ian. Kul or Ian; if you are reading this thread ... please speak to one of us. Contact me directly at jason-clark@outlook.com if you wish.

I'm pretty sure Donald is a red herring. Smith is behind the implementation of the plan, but Dixit, Guarini and the other ICF scammers are the real ones behind it all. The key is to try and ascertain where/when this unholy alliance took place.

Well he was on site last evening, and chose not to answer the Chris Smith question. I dont think he will answer any more on that.

Okay. Fair enough. I will move on.

Originally Posted by Poyol

Finding Chris Smith with the miniscule amount of information we have on him is going to be difficult.

I still don't think the guy at the top is called Chris Smith. I still think the man of African-American descent (I think he is) that we see is just a scapegoat; as is the name.

Raj seems like the real man behind it; and Donald was the creator - I could be wrong though.

We need to question either Kul or Ian. Kul or Ian; if you are reading this thread ... please speak to one of us. Contact me directly at jason-clark@outlook.com if you wish.

@Jason: Did you see my first 2 posts? (pg269 i believe) Not sure how useful it is but just wanted to make sure. They might help to provide some clues.