Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Brenda

Was he really just another scam merchant on the take for as much as, as quick as, or did he genuinely believe in the product

His problem is, it no longer matters how, why or what has happened in the past or what got him involved.

His reputation is forever tainted.

Another problem he now faces is whether or not the Irish authorities decide to prosecute.

He not only very publicly associated his name with a fraud, he also accepted money/ies for his services as well.

Referral commissions are NOT simply benign payments.

HYIP ponzi ARE investments. Referrers HAVE accepted payments for recommending an investment.

Anyone who recommends another person "invests" "KNEW, OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" the investment was a fraud BEFORE accepting a referral commission AND should have taken steps to ensure the "investment" was legitimate.

Saying "I didn't know" is no excuse under the law.

Whether or not a prosecution ensues in this case is beside the point.

If I had to guess, the time is not far away when someone says "enough is enough" and prosecutions DO take place for those who enable HYIP ponzi fraud to flourish.

WHOOPS, "someone" already did, and, recently as well:



You can read a full report on the PATRICK PRETTY blog

Originally Posted by littleroundman

If I had to guess, the time is not far away when someone says "enough is enough" and prosecutions DO take place for those who enable HYIP ponzi fraud to flourish.

WHOOPS, "someone" already did, and, recently as well:



You can read a full report on the PATRICK PRETTY blog

Now I know where Simon got that finger pointing habit....

Originally Posted by littleroundman

His problem is, it no longer matters how, why or what has happened in the past or what got him involved.

His reputation is forever tainted.

Another problem he now faces is whether or not the Irish authorities decide to prosecute.

He not only very publicly associated his name with a fraud, he also accepted money/ies for his services as well.

Referral commissions are NOT simply benign payments.

HYIP ponzi ARE investments. Referrers HAVE accepted payments for recommending an investment.

Anyone who recommends another person "invests" "KNEW, OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" the investment was a fraud BEFORE accepting a referral commission AND should have taken steps to ensure the "investment" was legitimate.

Saying "I didn't know" is no excuse under the law.

Whether or not a prosecution ensues in this case is beside the point.

If I had to guess, the time is not far away when someone says "enough is enough" and prosecutions DO take place for those who enable HYIP ponzi fraud to flourish.

WHOOPS, "someone" already did, and, recently as well:



You can read a full report on the PATRICK PRETTY blog

Not debating that any of this is incorrect LRM. However, I see the likes of Simon and his ilk with their youtube videos and deliberate BS to appease those recruited and to encourage more recruitment vs McCarthy who seems to have been thrown into the spotlight after the Duffy show.

I just see Stepsys as offensive as an individual in many ways and McCarthy in a different light because they operate differently? Bigger fish and apparent smaller ones??

Anyway, at the end of the day, I agree, ignorance is not a defense and it is only when the full force of the law deals adequately with these scam facilitators that others who would be attracted to them, may think twice.

Originally Posted by Brenda

Not debating that any of this is incorrect LRM. However, I see the likes of Simon and his ilk with their youtube videos and deliberate BS to appease those recruited and to encourage more recruitment vs McCarthy who seems to have been thrown into the spotlight after the Duffy show.

I just see Stepsys as offensive as an individual in many ways and McCarthy in a different light because they operate differently? Bigger fish and apparent smaller ones??

Anyway, at the end of the day, I agree, ignorance is not a defense and it is only when the full force of the law deals adequately with these scam facilitators that others who would be attracted to them, may think twice.

Just because McCarthy comes across as a bumbling fool don't for one minute be fooled into thinking he's any less guilty than Stepsys.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Just because McCarthy comes across as a bumbling fool don't for one minute be fooled into thinking he's any less guilty than Stepsys.

Theseus, I'd of been disappointed if I didn't get jumped on for that comment, I knew it was coming lol

That said, Stepsys is without doubt a career HYIP'er recruiter, a serial offender

We have no evidence that McCarthy is in the same league or has been involved in HYIP's before?

Like I said, anyone who knowingly took money from others or failed to do their own due diligence to go on to taking money from others should all suffer the same legal fate.

Just an observation, may be just down to personality types or deliberate persona/ different methods used to establish sales and recruit.

Originally Posted by Brenda

We have no evidence that McCarthy is in the same league or has been involved in HYIP's before?

Makes no difference, a thief is a thief.

Came across this blog
Banners Broker Overview – An Overview In the Key Functions And Added benefits | Jackiebettyville.com


Possibly some of the worst English I have ever seen in a Banners Broker promo article! Big words added just for the sake of padding out.

...just checked there facebook page and is filled with posts stating 'new site just opened similar to Banners Broker' called Bank on Traffic...triple your dollars. Don't know how to get the technical stuff that you guys can but a dig may be in order???

Originally Posted by HARRISON

...just checked there facebook page and is filled with posts stating 'new site just opened similar to Banners Broker' called Bank on Traffic...triple your dollars. Don't know how to get the technical stuff that you guys can but a dig may be in order???

Yeah we already have another thread about that:
http://www.realscam.com/f9/bank-traffic-1892/

By the way if you want to find something in a particular thread ( there is another search further up the page for the whole site) just go to the top of this discussion thread and use the drop down menu
you will see "Search Thread"

Type in the Phrase you want. If you want the exact phrase remember to put it in quotes like this "Bank on Traffic"
otherwise you will get all posts with the words bank AND on AND traffic in them

You can use this to look up a name address topic etc. discussed in the thread e.g. "Terry Stern" or "India" AND "Goa" AND "Bento".
AND seems to be a default
Can anyone tell me the syntax for logical operand OR or NOT?

Originally Posted by Beacon

Can anyone tell me the syntax for logical operand OR or NOT?

Um, it's OR and NOT!

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Originally Posted by Hypanor

Um, it's OR and NOT!

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Originally Posted by Poyol

"Donald", if that really is your name ... which I doubt. You're probably another pawn of Banners Broker's.

Don't believe anything HYIPers say.

Jason

Meet Donald Kernan. I spent a few hours last night tracking down some "Streisand Effect" material on him and he's a pretty open book. I don't think he realizes exactly how open, it's sorta cute seeing him go from trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards online to playing the HYIP's and cash gifting games. If he's stupid enough to give us a reason we'll give him his own thread to document his less than legal online lifestyle.

Meet Donald Kernan. I spent a few hours last night tracking down some "Streisand Effect" material on him and he's a pretty open book. I don't think he realizes exactly how open, it's sorta cute seeing him go from trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards online to playing the HYIP's and cash gifting games. If he's stupid enough to give us a reason we'll give him his own thread to document his less than legal online lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

You burst my bubble there Glimdropper, I thought Donald Kernan was an ambitous young guy who just got involved with the wrong crowd, in that Video which is 2.5 years old he was speaking fluent mlm/scam/gifting/bs

He doesnt look capable of running a bath, let alone a ponzi scheme, so I theorise he was an early "investor" and BB blackballed him for the simple reason that he would have had an account worth trillions by now and would have been trying to withdraw.

@Donald, your a small fry ponzi recruiter, how dumb must you be to claim undue credit for the creation of the monster we know as banners brokers?

Hi guys, just letting you all know my BB withdrawal request is now 2 days overdue.
I have raised a support ticket today and I'm eagerly awaiting their response.

Will keep you all informed so that you can all make an informed decision regarding this company and the opportunity, but in my book, failing to pay on time is a real deal breaker.

Cheers !

Originally Posted by waverider

Hi guys, just letting you all know my BB withdrawal request is now 2 days overdue.
I have raised a support ticket today and I'm eagerly awaiting their response.

Will keep you all informed so that you can all make an informed decision regarding this company and the opportunity, but in my book, failing to pay on time is a real deal breaker.

Cheers !

Late??....More likely you won't be paid at all.....

Originally Posted by waverider

Hi guys, just letting you all know my BB withdrawal request is now 2 days overdue.
I have raised a support ticket today and I'm eagerly awaiting their response.

Will keep you all informed so that you can all make an informed decision regarding this company and the opportunity, but in my book, failing to pay on time is a real deal breaker.

Cheers !

You honestly believe anyone here will change their view and make an informed decision based on whether or not you get paid? LOL.

"Donald", if that really is your name ... which I doubt. You're probably another pawn of Banners Broker's.

Don't believe anything HYIPers say.

Who IS Chris Smith? Did you know him when you worked there?

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

"Donald", if that really is your name ... which I doubt. You're probably another pawn of Banners Broker's.

Don't believe anything HYIPers say.

Who IS Chris Smith? Did you know him when you worked there?

Jason

You forgot to ask which college he went to

Originally Posted by Poyol

"Donald", if that really is your name ... which I doubt. You're probably another pawn of Banners Broker's.

Don't believe anything HYIPers say.

Who IS Chris Smith? Did you know him when you worked there?

Jason

Come on Jason, you know better than to assume anything. It is possible that the Donald posting here isn't Donald, but equally it is possible that it is. The email to SBM and the update to his LinkedIn page would suggest a slightly higher probability of the latter. How much of what he says about BB is true is another story though...

Here's a (very) wild theory - who's to say DK isn't the 'real' CS? Pictures on profiles can be easily faked.

What if DK is the 'real' anonymous CS?
What if DK's Dreamertopia is CS's Promo121?
What if the actor CS is paid by the anonymous CS (DK)?
What if all this time DK has been reading and laughing?
What if DK decided to be ballsy and come on here for a joke and object to a couple of posts made about him some time ago (now buried in the thread).

The above is completely hypothetical and in no way, shape or form is it true. It's purely to make the point of 'what if...?' and that we should at least encourage a few posts before making up our minds. We all know how well real shills/pimps put their foot in it when they are allowed to motor-mouth!

If 'our' DK ends up being a one post wonder, then in a couple of days time he'll be forgotten and the BB wagon will roll on......

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Come on Jason, you know better than to assume anything. It is possible that the Donald posting here isn't Donald, but equally it is possible that it is. The email to SBM and the update to his LinkedIn page would suggest a slightly higher probability of the latter. How much of what he says about BB is true is another story though...

Here's a (very) wild theory - who's to say DK isn't the 'real' CS? Pictures on profiles can be easily faked.

What if DK is the 'real' anonymous CS?
What if DK's Dreamertopia is CS's Promo121?
What if the actor CS is paid by the anonymous CS (DK)?
What if all this time DK has been reading and laughing?
What if DK decided to be ballsy and come on here for a joke and object to a couple of posts made about him some time ago (now buried in the thread).

The above is completely hypothetical and in no way, shape or form is it true. It's purely to make the point of 'what if...?' and that we should at least encourage a few posts before making up our minds. We all know how well real shills/pimps put their foot in it when they are allowed to motor-mouth!

If 'our' DK ends up being a one post wonder, then in a couple of days time he'll be forgotten and the BB wagon will roll on......

If DK is CS then he must have suffered a stroke before penning that first post of his....

Originally Posted by Hypanor

The above is completely hypothetical and in no way, shape or form is it true.

That makes it perfect for when you're describing a HYIP ponzi.

The only "safe" way to treat a HYIP ponzi is to believe "EVERYTHING" is hypothetical and "NOTHING" is real.

Unfortunately, several thousand first time HYIP ponzi participants are about to find out to their cost, Banners Broker is nothing more than just another smoke and mirrors HYIP ponzi fraud.

Please forgive me if this been posted, I tried to search but nothing came up.

On Donald Kernan profile over at swom.com (fairly old as far as I can see) he has a referral link to banners broker: BannersBroker
When you go to bb through it won't let you sign up, meaning his account was suspended?

Just an observation.

Originally Posted by Rebel

Please forgive me if this been posted, I tried to search but nothing came up.

On Donald Kernan profile over at swom.com (fairly old as far as I can see) he has a referral link to banners broker: BannersBroker
When you go to bb through it won't let you sign up, meaning his account was suspended?

Just an observation.

In post #8922 in this thread

Mr Kernan claims to have been stripped of his account:

DonaldKernan

Junior Member


Join DateFeb 2013Posts2

Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Hello, everyone my lawyer and a few partners told me this just popped up on the interest about me and my power point is also on the internet now. Which is legal patented information, so before I hire my lawyers to go after you for slandering my name guys regardless of you take it down or not I will waste money fixing my rep that I have built on the internet and my company. We start here with an explanation, I was one of the first people into Banners Brokers, INC., what I found out month 3 of being apart of the company is the math didn't work out on everyone's payouts. Now, additional to that I stopped promoting it and I helped the company scale a ton, along with that I had a partner and the company black balled me out of the company, and wiped me off the planet for ever being apart of the company. Which was fine as I had sold my position as a huge rep in the company. At one point I even owned the website bannersbrokerelite.com and its now worth $5000 because of the traffic I built to go towards the domain.
All and all I am not associated with the company anymore and I am working on my own start up.
An I would ask that you take down this slander so my lawyers go a little easier on you but if not it really doesn't matter to me. $5000 to my lawyer or $10,000 for them to find out who you are and file suits against you. Is ok with me and my company, I shouldn't have long time friends of mine coming to me and showing me this crap.

So the partner that Donald Kernan mentioned is Dr. Lieven Van Neste, their former youtube channel BannersBrokerTopTeam - YouTube
Went on Lievens facebook, on October 27, 2012 he posts "The Real Truth always finds it's Way" and links to finchsells BB report.

Right now he seems to be promoting uvioo, same as simon stepsys..

For the record, the site did come back up some time last night EDT. Generally you must clear cache/cookies in order to access it after an upgrade.

Of course if they were a REAL company with REAL tech people, this would not be necessary.

The new interface is confusing at best and does not come with any instructions. Again, it would make too much sense for the programmers to put simple instructions on each screen.

BB does get an "A" for making each upgrade look pretty. At the same time, they make it more difficult to understand. This one is just in time for the new World Tour.

Mark

Well, BB might be back up and running but it seems a bit buggy...Once again, patience is urged.........oh, and withdrawals are "temporarily disabled for the BB card"

BB Iceland again, posted earlier today:-

Good morning all!

When you login to you Bannersbroker back office this morning ur client Bannersbroker would like to remind you there are going to be a few changes to the way the system works

Please spend some time familiarising yourself with these changes, by accessing the information from your dashboard -> what’s new in. 2.9 or clicking learn more on the initial pop-up.

We are still working on a few sections on the new 2.9 version, please note the following are being worked on as we speak:

• View panels page… an error message may occur when trying to view your panels. Please refresh your page to resolve this error.
• Purchase history- You cannot access the purchase details at this time
• When purchasing you may get db ERROR, purchase are not going through when this comes up. Make sure you are checking to see you are not charged in your e-wallet for these purchases.
• Withdrawals are temporary disabled for the BB card, you may notice the withdrawal button is missing.
• Black allowance, only allows one, this will be changed to allow 5 as per the other panel allowances.
• DB error issues are occurring at the moment.

Thank you for your patience.