Here is a Danish lady saying that BB is NOT a scam.....and admitting to having been involved in scams before! And just look at the tabs along the top, what else she is promoting, including Bank on Traffic.
"Claim:Rajiv Dixit has been involved in scams before.
And so what?
So have I and millions of people. I too have promoted scam in the faith that it was legal and well functioning. I mean who hasn't?!
Does that mean that I am a scammer? That I am not able to tell the truth from scam? That I am not worth listening to? That I am not able to become successful?
Bollocks....... We all make bad choices sometimes.[/I][/I]"
What? Did I really read that? "I mean, who hasn't?"
"We all make bad choices sometimes" So that's alright then, is it? We make bad choices maybe, but we try not to drag other into them, and, IMO, we learn from them if we have any decency about us>
Here is a Danish lady saying that BB is NOT a scam.....and admitting to having been involved in scams before! And just look at the tabs along the top, what else she is promoting, including Bank on Traffic.
"Claim:Rajiv Dixit has been involved in scams before.
And so what?
So have I and millions of people. I too have promoted scam in the faith that it was legal and well functioning. I mean who hasn't?!
Does that mean that I am a scammer? That I am not able to tell the truth from scam? That I am not worth listening to? That I am not able to become successful?
Bollocks....... We all make bad choices sometimes.[/I][/I]"
What? Did I really read that? "I mean, who hasn't?"
"We all make bad choices sometimes" So that's alright then, is it? We make bad choices maybe, but we try not to drag other into them, and, IMO, we learn from them if we have any decency about us>
(Now tearing my hair out.....)
Whether you call it deflection, or whether you call it rationalization, the goal is the same....to steal as much as they can get away with...!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
Here is a Danish lady saying that BB is NOT a scam.....and admitting to having been involved in scams before! And just look at the tabs along the top, what else she is promoting, including Bank on Traffic.
"Claim:Rajiv Dixit has been involved in scams before.
And so what?
So have I and millions of people. I too have promoted scam in the faith that it was legal and well functioning. I mean who hasn't?!
Does that mean that I am a scammer? That I am not able to tell the truth from scam? That I am not worth listening to? That I am not able to become successful?
Bollocks....... We all make bad choices sometimes.[/I][/I]"
What? Did I really read that? "I mean, who hasn't?"
"We all make bad choices sometimes" So that's alright then, is it? We make bad choices maybe, but we try not to drag other into them, and, IMO, we learn from them if we have any decency about us>
(Now tearing my hair out.....)
Seems to me she isn't speaking to anyone but herself -probably seating in front of the mirror.It's a dream all scammers have I think - to stay clean and moral while scamming - if they think they are, they can scam more freely....in fact she is faking few traces of her own scruple
can someone please post this website Banners Broker New Zealand | How to get more income in New Zealand
a new all time low from Neil Nottle
he even provides a link to a NZ newspaper article outlining our children going to school without breakfast as a motivating link to making more income, what a ****** attracting and scamming families trying to earn money to feed their kids..............good grief where are the police, come on NZ??
Here is a Danish lady saying that BB is NOT a scam.....and admitting to having been involved in scams before! And just look at the tabs along the top, what else she is promoting, including Bank on Traffic.
Thanks for that link Della. some gems there. She begins
I can only say, that in that case, you have absolutely no knowledge of what you are speaking about.
Touché Annegrete
How can a worldwide company, going on a World Tour, opening official offices in one Country after the other, be a scam?
Any company going into any Country have to follow the rules there are in each Country they open an office in. If they don't follow rules, they will soon be out of business.
Well BB are not a worldwide company. There is a company in Belize and one in The Isle of Man and more recently a UK company. None have hundreds of millions of worldwide money flowing through them. they are one pound companies with little or nothing in them and no offices save a name plate on a door of another company whose business is to set up nameplate companies.
And how about all the actually set up and trading companies that are still scams? they register a company and open offices but still operate a scam. Annegrete is way off the mark and clueless on this issue it seems.
Rajiv Dixit has been involved in a scam before. For your information Rajiv Dixit is an Officer of the Banners Broker company.
Really? Which Banners Broker company? He ( and his wife Gloria ) are shareholders in Stellar Point a Canadian company which used to be called Banners Broker but I'm not aware has any employment contract with The Belize or Isle of Man company.
And so what?
So have I and millions of people. I too have promoted scam in the faith that it was legal and well functioning. I mean who hasn't?!
The vast majority of the population of Earth hasn't! Yes indeed Christians usually are urged to forgive and when people do their time in gaol or their penance they are forgiven. But they are not allowed into financial dealings if they are convicted fraudsters no more than child abusers are allowed to mix on their own with children after they have done their time or taken their treatment.
Does that mean that I am a scammer? That I am not able to tell the truth from scam? That I am not worth listening to? That I am not able to become successful?
Bollocks....... We all make bad choices sometimes.[/I][/I]"
If your bad choice id to abuse children you should not be trusted alone with them in future even if we all believe you don't intend to harm them. If you were a doctor and started prescribing yourself drugs you should be struck off the register and not allowed to practice medicine. If you were a judge and took a bribe you should be removed from the bench. If you were a lawyer and operated a dodgy property portfolio and lied to banks about it you should be removed form practice. But apparently Annegrete believes that scammers should be forgiven and allowed to scam others again and trusted no matter what their history of scamming is? One rule for everyone else but a different rule for her.
Banners Broker is paying. Period!
Thousands upon thousands of members can confirm that, me and my partner in business included. If Banners Broker was not paying I and a couple of hundred thousand members would not promote it, as you see we do if you make a search for it.
Burden of proof: You make the claim it is for you to provide the evidence. Care to list the thousands and thousands who are getting paid?
But what is all the work for when people don't even bother to read the website. When they totally neglect the fact that they do need to verify them self. That they do need to set their security questions. That they do need to read the latest news to understand changes and updates
If they don't, then yes, in that case they can easily find them self not able to withdraw their money.
Aha! the old "it is all your fault for being stupid and that is why you are not being paid" excuse.
Isn't that a contradiction of the above "thousands and thousands of people are getting paid" claim?
What if YOUR money ended in another persons wallet? Who would you blame for that?
LOL the scammers! And that is exactly what they are doing.
with a growth like Banners Broker has, the number of tickets send in and the time it takes to educate support staff, we need to understand, it is about priorities and your money comes first.
But there isnt any staff! They said there were hundreds in Stellar Point. there werent! Threr were two temps in the Manchester office and a few in cork employed by the affiliates and not by any Banners Broker company. India had one or two in their office before the police closed it.
people really need to learn and look into their own business instead of slandering it.
First of all learn the difference between slander and libel.
Second one can't slander anyone else by telling the truth.
people need to understand their own business. They need to understand that building something good and solid is not done over night.
People need to understand that they need to educate them self and they need to do their homework in order to make their business successful.
so why the claims of rapid growth and payback ? Are you not contradicting that Annegrete?
And if people need to educate themselves why dont you supply the documents of ownership of BB and the names of the top people. why cant you even supply the name of your upline?
Please know that ALL Ponzis and Pyramids NEED NEW MONEY COMING IN. BB could stop signups tomorrow and everyone in it will carry on making money.
For once I agree. and BB is still signing up but not at the rate it was so very few will get money. And everyoine didnt always make money . Only those who were in early made money. thats how a Ponzi works. It does not create money it takes it from the later arrivals. By the way since she claims people should "understand their own business" how come she provides no actual understanding from where the money is coming?
In few words she is saying - As I am strongly involved in fraud,let's legalize the fraud...nobody did it so far?..so what..does it mean I am not able to become successful?.....if the scam has 1000 faces why not create honest one...after all...people need to understand their own "business" and the "business" is all about priorities where your money comes first (to land in my pocket)
In few words she is saying - As I am strongly involved in fraud,let's legalize the fraud...nobody did it so far?..so what..does it mean I am not able to become successful?.....if the scam has 1000 faces why not create honest one...after all...people need to understand their own "business" and the "business" is all about priorities where your money comes first (to land in my pocket)
I missed this one
People can be ignorant.
Based on her logic if a someone sets off a bomb in or flys an airplane into a building and you happen to be in and you happen to be ignorant of the bom's presence or of the intent to fly the plane into the building then it isn't their fault and they are not to blame for your ignorance. The fact that Banners Broker are illegally defrauding ignorant people is the fault of the victim just like "the Holocaust was the Jews/gypsies/homosexuals/ fault" or " the destruction of the World Trade Centre was the fault of the ignorant people in the building"
Yes victims remember : It is all your fault for being ignorant and not the fault of the people knowingly exploiting you.
Based on her logic if a someone sets off a bomb in or flys an airplane into a building and you happen to be in and you happen to be ignorant of the bom's presence or of the intent to fly the plane into the building then it isn't their fault and they are not to blame for your ignorance. The fact that Banners Broker are illegally defrauding ignorant people is the fault of the victim just like "the Holocaust was the Jews/gypsies/homosexuals/ fault" or " the destruction of the World Trade Centre was the fault of the ignorant people in the building"
Yes victims remember : It is all your fault for being ignorant and not the fault of the people knowingly exploiting you.
My analogy would be slightly different. The airplane would be adorned with phrases like:
"Warning, pilots have bombed before."
"This plane doesn't fly into conventional airports."
"Give us $100 and we'll fly you free everywhere for the rest of your life."
"You can only make reservations through our own network."
"We've had some maintenance issues, but we're working on them. Don't worry we'll get er up."
While it doesn't apply to everyone, I believe there is willful ignorance. I see people saying that for a $100 bucks, they get to fly free forever. And look how many people are already on board so it must be safe even though all those warning signs were there to begin with.
Hey guys just wanted some advice, I sent a withdraw request for $50 to STP not that im actually expecting to receive it, was just wondering if by some miracle the money goes into Solid Tust Pay witch is the only option for uk members. Does anyone know how trust worthy Solid Tust Pay are?? They ask for alot of details and I've never heard of them before. If anyone knows if they are trust worthy would like to know and what is the best method of getting money out of there I have only really ever used paypal.
And thanks all of you for your continued efforts to exposing bb guys I personally know people who still believe in the business despite all that has gone on and me trying to warn them numerous times.
Hey guys just wanted some advice, I sent a withdraw request for $50 to STP not that im actually expecting to receive it, was just wondering if by some miracle the money goes into Solid Tust Pay witch is the only option for uk members. Does anyone know how trust worthy Solid Tust Pay are?? They ask for alot of details and I've never heard of them before. If anyone knows if they are trust worthy would like to know and what is the best method of getting money out of there I have only really ever used paypal.
And thanks all of you for your continued efforts to exposing bb guys I personally know people who still believe in the business despite all that has gone on and me trying to warn them numerous times.
SR others that have much more experience than me can certainly chime in, but STP is obviously in bed with criminals. Who is to say just one person in their organization with access to records is not a criminal as well? It is hard enough these days to protect your information with real companies being hacked left and right. If it were my money I would walk away unless it could be had with no personal details.
"It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403
SR others that have much more experience than me can certainly chime in, but STP is obviously in bed with criminals. Who is to say just one person in their organization with access to records is not a criminal as well? It is hard enough these days to protect your information with real companies being hacked left and right. If it were my money I would walk away unless it could be had with no personal details.
Thanks for your input anyone else know anything about STP?
STP is the BEST payment processor out there right now. You can claim that they are "in bed with criminals", but at least they are NOT criminals. I say this because the majority of payment processors are run by the Russian Mafia.
STP is the BEST payment processor out there right now. You can claim that they are "in bed with criminals", but at least they are NOT criminals. I say this because the majority of payment processors are run by the Russian Mafia.
Funny about STP. It started just before ICF World Homes started in 2006/2007 in Bobcaygeon, Ontario, home of Larry Telford who started ICF. Raj of course was a top executive of ICF before they were shut down and Raj joined Chris to start BB. Ironic that Vector Services was started just prior to BB launching their services.
6717381 Canada Inc,
Solidtrust Pay
415 Coshs Rd
Bobcaygeon, ON K0M 1A0, Canada
Marc Hiemstra, President
Stella Hiemstra, CEO
STP is the BEST payment processor out there right now. You can claim that they are "in bed with criminals", but at least they are NOT criminals. I say this because the majority of payment processors are run by the Russian Mafia.
It might be...but...if you do some real business out there,you will find almost unpossible to choose STP as your payment processor while almost all scams are more then welcome to use STP what brings me to conclude - if you hold a bag while crook stacks the money in it,it's hardly possible not to blame both for the theft
Here is part of today's propaganda. The rest is mostly a repeat of the "leader's call" recap I posted the other day.
"Hello everybody, this is Chris Smith, It is Friday the 17th of May.....
First about Payouts: After the last round of STP payouts, there will be no more partials. If you received a partial then you will see another partial to complete that withdrawal.
We had been, on the last partial payout round, paying out partials across the board, without regard to date order... however now we will again go in date order. So if you received a partial you will not receive the balance of that withdrawal until your withdrawal date up is in the payout sequence.
The next round of Payza payouts will go out this weekend.
We are now on a 10 day cycle for each of the payout methods. STP - Payza
Our new payment card provider is now committed and working with us to integrate the new payout platform. They are well aware of all the internet chatter. We have showed them our business plan. They are aware of everything. So there will be no surprises.
Integration of the last BB Payout Card platform took 10 Months, this one should not take that long.
The relationship with this new provider should be inseparable ....."
Here is part of today's propaganda. The rest is mostly a repeat of the "leader's call" recap I posted the other day.
"Hello everybody, this is Chris Smith, It is Friday the 17th of May.....
First about Payouts: After the last round of STP payouts, there will be no more partials. If you received a partial then you will see another partial to complete that withdrawal.
We had been, on the last partial payout round, paying out partials across the board, without regard to date order... however now we will again go in date order. So if you received a partial you will not receive the balance of that withdrawal until your withdrawal date up is in the payout sequence.
The next round of Payza payouts will go out this weekend.
We are now on a 10 day cycle for each of the payout methods. STP - Payza
Our new payment card provider is now committed and working with us to integrate the new payout platform. They are well aware of all the internet chatter. We have showed them our business plan. They are aware of everything. So there will be no surprises.
Integration of the last BB Payout Card platform took 10 Months, this one should not take that long.
The relationship with this new provider should be inseparable ....."
Hey Marsh!
More cash flow restriction from BB, they will eventually cancel all withdrawals requests to make room for the "new processor" which will buy them even more time. *sigh*
Here is part of today's propaganda. The rest is mostly a repeat of the "leader's call" recap I posted the other day.
"Hello everybody, this is Chris Smith, It is Friday the 17th of May.....
First about Payouts: After the last round of STP payouts, there will be no more partials. If you received a partial then you will see another partial to complete that withdrawal.
We had been, on the last partial payout round, paying out partials across the board, without regard to date order... however now we will again go in date order. So if you received a partial you will not receive the balance of that withdrawal until your withdrawal date up is in the payout sequence.
The next round of Payza payouts will go out this weekend.
We are now on a 10 day cycle for each of the payout methods. STP - Payza
Our new payment card provider is now committed and working with us to integrate the new payout platform. They are well aware of all the internet chatter. We have showed them our business plan. They are aware of everything. So there will be no surprises.
Integration of the last BB Payout Card platform took 10 Months, this one should not take that long.
The relationship with this new provider should be inseparable ....."
Why are all the payments done at the 'weekend' or at 'night'?
I have seen a little chat here about BB still going strong in Portugal. Has anyone else heard talk that DSIFAE has started an investigation into Bammers Broker? I don't like to spread rumors, and have not been able to confirm.
First poster seems to be waking up a little and there is a call with Chris from Wednesday, but I think that was posted previously.
Here is where they may be hedging their BB bets and pushing the latest and greatest. I was going to translate, but spammer speak is a universal language.
"It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403
I have seen a little chat here about BB still going strong in Portugal. Has anyone else heard talk that DSIFAE has started an investigation into Bammers Broker? I don't like to spread rumors, and have not been able to confirm.
First poster seems to be waking up a little and there is a call with Chris from Wednesday, but I think that was posted previously.
Here is where they may be hedging their BB bets and pushing the latest and greatest. I was going to translate, but spammer speak is a universal language.
Have it from reliable source that in this particular group not much open BB recruiting is taking place. We don't know what is happening on the sly. The main pimps Daniel Fernandes and Hernani Folgado have jumped boat and the rest is following.
Look at the addresses below. Same place, same people, same garbage
Have it from reliable source that in this particular group not much open BB recruiting is taking place. We don't know what is happening on the sly. The main pimps Daniel Fernandes and Hernani Folgado have jumped boat and the rest is following.
Look at the addresses below. Same place, same people, same garbage
I had heard rumblings about doing things away from official channels as I believe this would be grounds for having their accounts shut down. That would make me weep. Have you heard anything about pending legal actions?
"It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff https://www.facebook.com/pages/Scam-...98399986981403
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Friday Q&A Webinar Transcribed by Linda Lane
Chris Smith speaking:
(sorry I was a couple minutes late today- something about my JAVA lol)
(speaking about the new payment processor) ...Any challenges that come up in the future, we believe that we will be inseparable. We believe that this new system will not drop us if something doesn't look right.
As of the 15th we have the TP cancellation. We are allowing people to cancel up to 2 TP's for a limited time. Chris showed the page and encouraged everyone to read all the info before doing a cancellation. BE SURE NOT TO USE THE RED BUTTON, as it will cancel all your TP's.. Use the ORANGE button - NO PENALTY CANCELLATION. So you wan't have any penalty for the 1 or 2 TP cancellation.
We know that since the bonus was reduced, we listened to the field and so are offering this 2 TP cancellation to help those who want to do this. Only available until June the 7th, and only available for TP's purchased prior to April 30th.
Your level of membership will not change due to this cancellation opportunity.
New -- If you are upgrading to Executive, all you ahve to have is a "locked" black panel. No longer do you need to have a qualified black panel.
Fast Start Program - people are able to register, choose and select a package (up to black) and get the standard subscription (can always upgrade). You can begin your account and have up to 30 days to pay. The reasons are that because of a lot of credit card fraud in some countries, we needed to have ID's on file before you could use your credit card. This can be a long process, so we didn't want new members to lose their momentum and to go ahead and get started. Absolutely NO EXTENSIONS on this whatsoever. 30 days is the maximum time allowed for payment. If not paid, that package is removed from the account, all panels are removed, and the account goes back to FREE status. The accounts will not be locked, but will basically start over. We are not kicking people out of the program, but they will be able to join at another time. So please don't choose a package you cannot afford.
Questions:
Niagara Falls? has been downgraded to a mini-tour. For people looking for refunds for the convention, there is a phone number on the website that you can call for refunds on your credit cards. BBtour
Will a 3:1 ration rule be released? No, instead we have the new TP rule with reduced bonus and the offer to cancel TP's. We are getting away from those who used only TP's and were making money without doing anything which could be deemed an purchase by authorities.
How do we get on the new Leader's Call? It's for leaders of the country. Leaders are selected by the IC's of each country. They are hand picked by them, those who are instrumental in helping operate BB in that country. Contact your IC if you feel you should be included in that category.
Click Incentive? Yes, this is new and people are giving good feedback on this.
Questions on the BB card, the withdrawals that were made to the card. If you are on a list that you need to log in and acknowledge that the funds that were on your card are now in your eWallet. Please do this if you haven't already, so we can send this to the card company.
I'm seeing a lot of positive comments. I am happy to see that!!
Sales are up for BB. The Fast Start is doing incredible, but Paid sales are up as well. Kudos to you and to the leaders, people who have believed in us. the programmers are doing a great job. The site is stable now and with the amount of hits to our website, it's phenomenal the amount of things we have to do to keep the site stable. We have tweaked our 2011 platform as much as possible, to bring our affiliate level into the million mark.
The future is bright. A Lot of cool things we are working on. We are pretty excited about things on all fronts.
Thank you for being here and continuing to spread the word and refer others. Have a lovely long weekend (for some) and have a beautiful day.
(end of webinar)
(notes prepared by Linda Lane)
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Even Joseph Goebbels would vomit reading/listening this...
From Chris Smith's webinar yesterday (thanks to Marsh 56)
"Our new payment card provider is now committed and working with us to integrate the new payout platform. They are well aware of all the internet chatter. We have showed them our business plan. They are aware of everything. So there will be no surprises."
"They are aware of everything" Really, Chris?
Of course this might be the case. There may indeed be a new card provider, and American firm doing an audit, and a business plan.
But, how do I put this? Anyone else think he might be being, um, economical with the truth?
(sorry I was a couple minutes late today- something about my JAVA lol)
(speaking about the new payment processor) ...Any challenges that come up in the future, we believe that we will be inseparable. We believe that this new system will not drop us if something doesn't look right.
IT genius eh? "Java lol".
And why would he be concerned about the possibility of something not looking right??
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It is all your fault for being ignorant and not the fault of the people knowingly exploiting you. 
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