"The most important webinar in the history of BB" eh? No pressure then, Chris darling, but the affiliates are expecting something fabulous tomorrow....
And here's the responses to "the most important webinar"; some of the ususal suspects are there, but others seem more doubtful. Can't think why!
Also, maybe you can dig more into the time just before BB announced that canadian and US residents cannot participate, i believe it was around the company name change.
Maybe court can rule to release some agency records, i bet they been watched for long time and renaming to Stellar Point might be an actual consequence.
Also , i do not know if character evidence can be used in claims court, but you may prepare some info on past associations of Raj with various investment scams
I think you may be thinking of the Belize company. Both the UK BB and the Isle of Man are dead edds either set up as nameplates or set up by copy cat scammers.
Affiliates IMO don't have any BB contract with anyone since they are affiliated to a fraud. The fraud however is fronted by people to which they gave money . You don't sue a fraud you sue the people committing it. BBI or SP or BB in a way are legal entities owned by Chris Raj etc. but while they claimed BB was the legal entity they were dealing with Chris and Raj personally took the money while pretending to be BB. I doubt if the money ever got lodged in a BB Bank account. If so then yes BB is liable for a claim but in the meantime even if any ever was in BB Chris or Raj took all the money out of BB and put it in their own pockets.
Eh I don't think so. It ( The Canadian company) is the same company with the same owners and directors (Raj and his ma)but with a name change.
Initially BBI was registered in The Isle of Man and later moved to Belize where it is now. It was never a Canadian Corporation as BB was.
If affiliates don't have a contract with BBI then they have no leg to stand on when it comes to claiming BBI owes them money. In small claims you have to prove that the company/person owes you money based on documentation i.e. unpaid invoice, contract, etc. If you want to claim you were the victim of a fraud then you must sue the person /company in a court other than small claims. Affiliates can't sue Raj or SP for monies owed as SP had no contract with affiliates. Just because Raj got a lot of money for being the support company for BBI doesn't make Raj liable for moneys owed affiliates who have a contract with BBI.
BBI is not the same company as the former BB. Chris Smith never was an officer or director of BB ( originally a numbered company, then changed to BB and later to SP). Raj was never, officially, a Director of BBI. He may have used the title of CCO but people assume titles to suit whatever situation they are in, it doesn't legally make them director of a company and therefore not personally liable for any debts of the corporation, nameplate or otherwise. If it isn't in the incorporation documentation then it doesn't (legally) exist, in Canada anyway.
Proving that Raj (a canadian citizen) is operating/ involved with BB is easy, with his own statements, screenshots, videos, etc.
Showing his canadian company in past named Banners Broker and after **** in the press renamed is also easy.
Chris Smith a canadian citizen also showing himself as operator of BB, regardless of his claimed role in any business entity onshore or offshore.
Your payments / transactions showing it is going to Banners Broker and Excuses from Raj why people cannot get their refunds would also be needed.
It would also be great if the transactions you did were done using a canadian party (Payza, SolidTrustPay) – it would completely take any foreign involvement out of the picture, and Raj would sound stupid trying to say you paid not to them but to some other company on some banana island.
I believe thats all you need.
Canada can care less if Raj also has a company in Isle of Mann , Belize, etc. - it is not their jurisdiction and they do not even have to acknowledge the fact of their existence.
You are canadian, Raj and Chris are Canadian, Raj company (in past named Banners Broker) is Canadian, thats all court can work with.
Suing Chris in small claims is easy. But suing Raj in small claims is a waste of time and money. The fact Raj/SP was promoting BB has absolutely nothing to do with small claims. Legally, anybody can change their company name to anything they want in Canada unless there is another company with the same name. Apparently there wasn't and Raj was able to incorporate Bannersbroker Limited, not Bannerbroker International, which is what Chris incorporated offshore. It doesn't matter what the reason was for changing the name Bannersbroker Limited to SP, it was done legally. Now if you want to go after Raj for promoting a Ponzi then there is lots of documentation to prove that. That, however, is not a matter for small claims and you better have a lot of money for legal fees.
Initially BBI was registered in The Isle of Man and later moved to Belize where it is now. It was never a Canadian Corporation as BB was....
Ok, the first address which was on whois in 2010
Registrant:
Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988
- It was at the time when they called it a "DOUBLER"
Isle of Mann (see? i Used 2 n - that is how they announced where they now are :) ) only came into picture somethere in 2012, at least thats when they mentioned it first, all communications were with canada
Take a look where the Return to address of debit cards was:
Also can dig up stories from Raj how he is building Banners Broker office at Carlow Ct, there was no any mention of Stelar Point yet, also there was another canadian address they claimed before, might find it in this thread
Isle of Man comp. registration i believe was done by buying a pre-made (of the shelf) company and renaming it to "Banners Broker International Limited" (see what it says ? so "... international limited" and "... international" is not the same then? :) ), that is why it shows 2010 as a year.
At that time, 2010, they had nothing yet, and they were not even sure where to hide or if they even need a company.
Raj is BannersBroker, and he is no less than a 50% partner of this crap, meanwhile Chris can only be linked/ held accountable for his own and Raj statements, there is no paper trail on Chris,
need i remind that Chris only showed up in 2012 ?
Forget Isle of Man or Belize, it is not their jurisdiction, Canada would not recognize it if some canadian tries to hide in there.
In fact now most respected banks would never open a bank account to corporations formed offshore but not doing business there.
And Ken, stop partitioning these scammers, SP is BB - the end.
Also Ken do you know it for a fact that Chris is director of Isle of man 's company ? :)
do you know for a fact that there is a even a BB company registration in Belize ? - or you just believe what scammers told you ?
PS: i was correct , BBI in Isle of man was a pre-made/for sale/of-the-shelf company "BEDFORD LIMITED" , which they only got on Apr 11 2012 and renamed.
I do not take into account a stock picture of some white dude.
Black of course, and not a picture, like videos - walks/talks/pimps BB - gotta be real person, or mad video editing skills or probably plastic operation with skin tanning.
I would be not surprised if BB face book official liar would be Chris Smith in persona...his new born kid WeW is there...his nice followers are there - everything to be managed from a small tablet,siting somewhere in a small bar and having lot of fun
Instead of loving people and using money, people often love money and use people
I do not take into account a stock picture of some white dude.
Black of course, and not a picture, like videos - walks/talks/pimps BB - gotta be real person, or mad video editing skills or probably plastic operation with skin tanning.
Good Morning, welcome to the call. Opt-in period if winding down. If you are going to sign up for BannersMobile and be in the drawing for one of the prizes, please go in and purchase your package for BannersMobile.
Chris Smith speaking:
(Chris is doing a BB v3 PowerPoint presentation today, so please watch the Webinar replay to understand it completely)
Okay, let's get rolling. Sorry for the late start. Let's get started.
As you know Version 3 is upon us. We have already started off with a few items:
New Panel Purchases
New Traffic Boosters
New Traffic pack subs
etc.
Dates for Version 3:
Feb 4 - Blackout of BB2.9
Feb 5 - Tesla Giveaway
Feb 10 - End of opt=in for BannersMobile
Feb 10 - BM down for a bit
Feb 11 - BBv3 Launch
BannersMobile opt-in ends Feb 10th. Accounts that are not active will be purged. If you built a team, you should be in BM and have your team. otherwise you will be removed and not have your team anymore. Please make a decision wisely. Separate company, separate accounting, separate payouts. This is a easy way to be part of the mobile platform advertising world. Lots of prizes will be given away, so please join us.
The Rationale for BBv3
(see slide presentation)
We need to change. We need to recognize how we got here, what were the problems, plug up some holes. BB never was an investment program, however we do have investors inside BB. We were catering to them for a while based on what was available. Now you will have to do something to earn your payout and be part of the advertising channel. Buying packages, using the choice network, incentive tasks, monetizing websites. These are things you will have to do in order for your panels to move. We are trying very hard to be sure BB is here for a long time and no regulators can look at us and see anything wrong. Sometimes change is good. You guys on the call are the ones who are able to help out with the explanation to all the members what are the reasons for the change in order for BB to continue. We are asking for your help. We will be distributing a PDF with all the migration rules. We need your help to explain it to your team, so everyone knows what's happening.
Rapid Panel
$5 to purchase
$5 to cap
Max - 50 per account
No Repurchase
Each week someone receives a $500 payout (instant) as a winner
This is a promotional item for BB v3. There will be a showcase of the winners, with testimonials. This is the purpose fo the rapid panel. It is not to put money in your pocket. It is a selling tool for you to use.
Sales Credit Generation
(please see the slideshow for details)
3 Generations of sales credits.
Gen 1 - Complimentary 1 100%
Gen 2 - Complimentary 2 0%
Gen 3 - Repurchased panels 0%
3.0 Packages will be the SAME
Yellow $10
Purple $30
Blue $90
etcetera
Admin Fee (3 months will be included in package price)
Impression pack included (25,000 impressions)
3x Rapid Panels
Total: Example
$215 Blue or $485 Green
Fast Start only available through a Red Package. Commissions given once the package is paid for
Sales commissions:
Impression Packs = 25% ($6.25)
Traffic packs = None
Traffic boosters - None
Referrals of affiliates with free accounts. With version3 we have finally recoded this process.
(please see the replay for this detail)
Subscription Level
Standard stays at Standard
Premium stays at Premium
Executive begins at Premium
First month admin fee is only $10 for everyone. After that $100 for Premium, $500 for Executive.
Your $10 can go toward whatever admin fee you choose. You have 90 days to pay this. All accounts that are not activated will be removed in 90 days from launch date.
Admin fee will be lower for some countries. Standard = $7.50 Premium $50.
(please watch the webianr for a full explanation and list of countries)
Migrating Accounts:
Negative accounts:
50% is credited by BB
50% will have to be paid by the affiliate
The Credit from BB will have to be paid within 120 days.
Affiliates whose accounts were managed by Account Coordinators and are now in the negative will receive a full 100% credit advanced.... and you will have 120 days to pay this.
This way everyone can begin bb3 with a zero balance and will ahve plenty of time to pay your negative balance.
Negative Accounts in bb3
We will be much more strict in BB3. Panels will not move, you will lose bonus traffic, many things will happen if you go negative.
Subscription Protection is available for $100 which covers you for 6 months and the above things will not happen if you have this. $500 for Executive (please see the webinar for detail explanation)
This way no one will be caught by surprise with a negative account
Traffic Packs
ALL TRAFFIC PACK SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL END AND WILL NOT CARRYOVER TO BBv3
You can still have TP's with limits
Standard - 1 Pack
Premium - 9 packs
Executive - 30 packs
Traffic Pack stipulations - Each affiliate is allowed a basic amount, and can add more based on your referrals.
Standard +1
Premium +2
Exectuive +3
Traffic Packs - more TP's through incentives will be coming in the future.
(please see the slide for SUBSCRIPTION DIFFERENCES)
Standard, Premium and Executive benefits
For example, Executives can earn 10,000 credits for giving webinars weekly.
Multi-Panel Qualification Tool - this is NEW and will be availalbe in the Executive Membership free of charge. Qualify 120 panels at the same time
TP Bonuses - Zero for Standard, 10,000 for Premium, 25,000 for Executive.
(see webinar for detail)
What is Transferring to 3.0?
V2.9 is "tangled and bloated" and we need to untangle it and unbloat it. We need a fresh start and good for all.
3 dates for how this will work for members based on when you joined:
Before Nov 4, 2012
Before Feb 21, 2013
Befoer May 15, 2013
(explantion as to why is on the webinar replay)
Your Logs will not be transferred, different coding, different system, so this will not be transferred, as to panels. I believe withdrawal logs will be transferred (double checking on this)
Impression Bank - `100%
Ad Campaigns - all cancelled, unused impressions will be back in your bank
TP subscriptions - none transferred
Traffic Pack traffic
if allocated 100%
if unallocated - a percentage will fall in line with percentages for panels (see below).
Sales Credits - 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%
Organic Traffic - 100%
Incentive Traffic - 10%
(because this included rollups, which is now deemed to be zero)
Purchased Panels - 30%, 45%, 60%, 75%
(value of the panels will go into your wallet, not the actual panel itself)
Repurchased Panels - 0% will transfer
NEW ACCOUNTS - Comp 1 and Comp 2 will transfer 100%, as well as repurchased from Comp 2.
Qualified panels - moving over 100%, however they will be deemed LEGACY PANELS, when they cap the money goes into LEGACY WALLET. 50% cash - 50% will be the value in impressions rather than a repurchased panel
(end of Part 1)
(to be continued)
[18:05:11] beaches777 (Linda Lane): Part 2 (continued)
BB Q&A Webinar 1/24/14
LEGACY WALLET - A new Wallet for bbv3 will be introduced. This will hold money earned in 2.9, based on your join date for BB.
eWallet transfer.
Separate queue for Legacy Wallet and eWallet. Separate payouts, separate withdrawals
Available to Withdraw - up to $200 cash
Advertising Credits - 10%
Legacy Wallets - 90%
Withdrawals requests - each Wallet will have only one request entered at one time.
(PLEASE SEE THE WEBINAR REPLAY FOR DETAILS ON THIS AND SEE THE SLIDES)
Example: $1200 in eWallet BB2.9
(never withdrawn)
BBv3 - Available to Withdraw $200
Balance as follows:
10% to ad credits
90% to Legacy Wallet
If you have withdrawn before, $0 will go into Available to withdraw, 10% to ad credits and 90% to Legacy Wallet.
All pending withdrawal requests will be reversed and the system will take your earliest date and enter "generate" a new withdrawal for you. This queue will be in proper date order. this will be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT. It will be more transparent and you will know where you are in the queue in V3. This will be fair for everyone.
I am happy we have come this far. I love BannersBroker and I love the people and I love the concept and I love the advertising concept. I want to spend my future with BB. All I need is you. Our leaders are on board. WE have a great team, great support team, and great programming team. We have a great manager in Belize running our office down there. Thanks goes out to all involved.
We need to change for the better so that BB will continue for a long time. Ron is answering questions on the chat.
Ron - all is good. The webinar will be posted in the back office, so your teams can review this.
Chris:
This is one of the largest webinars we have had in some time. I am glad to see you all here and your involvement. I am putting up the launch dates again. We are right around the corner. We want to make sure that you are prepared for BBv3.
BannersMobile, please check it out. After the blackout you will lose your spot with your team. Be a part of BB and continue on with us.
I could talk forever in terms of how much I appreciate all of your support. it's been so great. I am working with a group of fantastic people, leaders in the field, people who are making things happen. Keep up the great work. We are making sure we maintain and preserve BannersBroker. I am excited and pumped up. let's bring on Version 3! Have a GREAT weekend.
(end of webinar - please see the replay for details on BB3)
(notes prepared by Linda Lane and are official BB transcripts, please include this with all repostings)
Whatever happened to the basic concept of you are buying a unit of advertising space that gets used by advertisers and when used BB get a profit and the affiliate gets their cut. Actually a very simple, believable business model. Surely all of these changes are actually more of a red flag that the panels are just a load of rubbish, especially the regulators should see this?
When was the last time anyone from BB actually explained the 'business' model?
All pending withdrawal requests will be reversed and the system will take your earliest date and enter "generate" a new withdrawal for you. This queue will be in proper date order. this will be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT. It will be more transparent and you will know where you are in the queue in V3. This will be fair for everyone.
Ruh, Rooo, Shaggy (Scooby Doo)
If I was in BB, I could think of many words for this.....fair would NOT be one of them .
Fair would be 'I buy my panel, it caps, I pay my 50% and then withdraw the rest - I have earned it!'
If any of this was real of course! This has been going on for a couple of years now and I see no evidence that this is anything but a ponzi - and every change they make reinforces this view.
It is both sad and amusing to read the usual suspect forums and see otherwise intelligent people still discussing strategies and possibilities as if Banners Broker was more than a computer program designed to simulate a real business.
Similarly with the armchair lawyers telling people to sue or advising victims on ways to get back their money.
Sue WHO ???
Good Lord, people, Banners Broker is not Zeek Rewards.
Nobody really knows who, what or where
There's nobody at any of the addresses given for Banners Broker or Stellar Point.
There are only shell corporations in offshore locations and rented servers running programs and scripts and hosting remotely controlled websites.
There are voices people claim are Chris Smiths' and Ron Andersons'
There are recordings of webinars but not even videos showing who is really speaking.
This isn't TV.
A kindly District Attorney named Jack McCoy isn't going to pop up at the last minute and introduce evidence to bust the case wide open.
Who has actually proof that Banners Broker is anything more than a computer program and series of scripts ??
What can be proven to the level required by a court ??
A ponzi scheme with computer graphics to back it up, end of story.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
It is both sad and amusing to read the usual suspect forums and see otherwise intelligent people still discussing strategies and possibilities as if Banners Broker was more than a computer program designed to simulate a real business.
Similarly with the armchair lawyers telling people to sue or advising victims on ways to get back their money.
Sue WHO ???
Good Lord, people, Banners Broker is not Zeek Rewards.
Nobody really knows who, what or where
There's nobody at any of the addresses given for Banners Broker or Stellar Point.
There are only shell corporations in offshore locations and rented servers running programs and scripts and hosting remotely controlled websites.
There are voices people claim are Chris Smiths' and Ron Andersons'
There are recordings of webinars but not even videos showing who is really speaking.
This isn't TV.
A kindly District Attorney named Jack McCoy isn't going to pop up at the last minute and introduce evidence to bust the case wide open.
Who has actually proof that Banners Broker is anything more than a computer program and series of scripts ??
What can be proven to the level required by a court ??
A ponzi scheme with computer graphics to back it up, end of story.
Too bad but this is the truth. Sooner or later the pimps like sills, scoones, sills, and others are placed behind bars the world will be in a better place!
But isn't extreme complication a sign of something being an all round dodgy deal?
And as others have said, and will say again, whatever happened to the concept of buying advertising space on the web? I think the truest bit of the whole webinar was when Chris says: "I want to spend my future with BB. All I need is you." - translated as, IMO, "keep pumping the cash in, suckers!"
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