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09-05-2014, 03:58 AM
#16101
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
ribshaw
Ther is a difference between a unicorn and a representation of a unicorn. Unicorns do in fact exist ~ in our imagination. But the idea that if they did they would not only be hunted for their horns but eaten . Bizzarre! :)
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09-05-2014, 06:12 AM
#16102
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
I keep wondering what would happen if the black Chris Smith showed up at the hearing and announced he was not really "The Chris Smith," but just an actor who played being Chris Smith.
When he set up BBIL in IofM he had to produce a Canadian Passport, everything else may be a lie, but we do know who he is.
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09-05-2014, 06:21 AM
#16103
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Someone popped this link onto the BB Ponzi Scheme page on Facebook.... I am sure that Mr David Hooker is really pleased that his photo is prominently displayed alongside the news about the BB webpage being closed. I am sure it will have no detrimental effect on his future career... well not much.
Court Order To Take Control Of Banners Broker Issued
Y'all have a nice day now :)
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09-05-2014, 06:27 AM
#16104
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
heres Lorenzo (guarini I think) @ 31mins answering Mark gobshites question on "team funtastic" . He presents the "negative advertising" point suggesting Realscam and others are promoting their own produce.At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" . If it is Guarini he was around since the Dixit days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WNtVe17c8
Is the Duncan featured Duncan Wood by the way?
LOL at 2mins 46 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMNtTPCOyow
He even mentions sometimes people ask me "are you in a scam"?
lol at 5:30 he is talking about tax savings
Like other videos he does not mention the name of the scam but
At 10:06 he drops the name of the Scam by accidence and says "I slipped there a little but"
Numis Network
Cross reference this thread:
http://www.realscam.com/f9/numis-net...d-rainbow-110/
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09-05-2014, 06:47 AM
#16105
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Beacon
heres Lorenzo (guarini I think) @ 31mins answering Mark gobshites question on "team funtastic" . He presents the "negative advertising" point suggesting Realscam and others are promoting their own produce.At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" . If it is Guarini he was around since the Dixit days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WNtVe17c8
Is the Duncan featured Duncan Wood by the way?
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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09-05-2014, 06:48 AM
#16106
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Beacon
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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09-05-2014, 08:24 AM
#16107
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Fat City, LA
While this is a very sad and difficult time for the family it is also a lesson to those who bring in family and friends into a scheme such as BBI. He put his heart and soul into a scam, recruiting to build a fake business, but at what cost. How much due diligence did he do? There was enough material on the internet to give any potential affiliate enough information that BBI was a Ponzi and doomed to fail, and yet, because of greed, they opted to proceed, despite the red flags and warnings from real business people, in the hopes of making a lot of money by doing virtually nothing.
Why would any rational thinking person allow anyone to put all their life savings into a pie-in-the- sky venture? Nobody in any business venture should ever put all their eggs in one basket, even in real companies that have a track record aren't 100% secure (i.e. Nortel). All statistics show that MLM type businessess are one of the poorest and riskiest ventures to invest in yet they draw the most people - all because of the hype to make easy money fast. The results for the most part are, as in the case here, disastrous and this case should be a warning to those contemplating joining and promoting any of these schemes.
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09-05-2014, 09:09 AM
#16108
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
Why would any rational thinking person allow anyone to put all their life savings into a pie-in-the- sky venture?...
Ill go back to one of my stock references... altemeyer Especially chapter 3 and 4 in this case
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer...oritarians.pdf
page 76
For
example, they listened to a tape of two
lawyers debating a school segregation case on
a
McNeil/Lehrer News Hour
program. Wegmann found High RWAs indeed had more
trouble remembering details of the material
they’d encountered, and they made more
incorrect inferences on a reasoning test th
an others usually did. Overall, the
authoritarians had lots of trouble simply thinking straight.
He continues
All fish live in the sea.
Sharks live in the sea..
Therefore, sharks are fish.
The conclusion does not follow, but high RW
As would be more likely to say the
reasoning is correct than most people woul
d. If you ask them why it seems right, they
would likely tell you, “Because sharks are fi
sh.” In other word
s, they thought the
reasoning was sound because they agreed with
the last statement. If the conclusion is
right, they figure, then the reasoning must
have been right. Or
to put it another way,
they don’t “get it” that the reasoning matters--especially on a reasoning test.
Altemeyer refers to £religious" beliefs and ESP and biorythms and such like. Which makes me think it is no wonder Ponzis recruit from pentecostal churches, Welness groups and the like who have similar RWA mindsets.
virtually everyone said
she had questioned the existence of God
at some time in her life. What did the au
thoritarian students do when this question
arose? Most of all, they prayed for enli
ghtenment. Secondly, they talked to their
friends who believed in God. Or
they talked with their parent
s. Or they read scriptures.
In other words, they seldom made a two-side
d search of the issue.
Basically they seem
to have been seeking
reassurance
about the Divinity, not pro- and con- arguments
about its existence--
p 80
Ponzi players ( the sheep not the leaders) seem to be similar
75
Chapter Three
How Authoritarian Followers Think
1. Illogical Thinking
He goes on to list 6 more traits which I defy anyone to say are not mirrored in the ponzi playing sheeple.
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09-05-2014, 09:59 AM
#16109
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Banners Broker Affiliates who are now in loss, here is another PIMP that stole your money. He withdrew $100,000 of his $1,000,000 in "earnings", how did that work out for you? Remember that when he is wetting all over himself like a puppy trying to tell you he had no idea this was a scam.
Clawbacks they are a coming....JPG
Originally Posted by
Beacon
lol at 5:30 he is talking about tax savings
Numis Network
I want to address something he just said about Numis and tax deductions. HE JUST LIED about your monthly product purchases being deductible. Its OK a lot in the MLM community get this wrong. BUT that is what happens when you listen to IDIOTS posing as business professionals. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of accounting and tax would have spotted Banners Broker as a fraud long ago.
I digress.
FROM THE IRS:
However, the cost of a product that is used by the direct seller is a personal expense, even if that product is occasionally shown to prospective customers. Some direct sellers erroneously think they can decorate their home with products and deduct the cost as a business expense. To be deductible under IRC Section 162, the expense must be an ordinary and necessary expense paid or incurred in carrying on a trade or business (also see Regulation 1.162-3). Under IRC Section 262, no deduction generally is allowed for personal, living, or family expenses.
Example 1: York is a direct seller who uses many of the products in her own home. When potential customers come to her house, she can show them drapes she bought from the company, as well as her lawn chairs, toaster, grill, tea set and spice cabinet. By showing these items in her own home, she hopes to interest people in buying them from her company or in becoming a direct seller themselves. York cannot take a deduction for the cost of any of these products. Because she uses them in her own home for personal reasons, their cost is not a cost of doing business.
Retail Industry ATG - Chapter 3: Examination Techniques for Specific Industries (Direct Sellers)
I leave you MLM hopefuls to answer the question, what sort of a ******* idiot makes a video telling you to cheat on your taxes? Especially considering it takes less than a minute to dispel chapter and verse?
Gerbil, I like my coffee like I like my women, hot and bitter.
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I want to banish one other LIE people like Mark Gerbil would have you believe. While I can't speak for everyone here, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL. This is a hobby for me, I hate fishing and my birdhouses come out looking like napkin holders. In fact I would say at some level it costs me money to do this as I could be doing other things. Of the people that I chat with here and on Facebook I get the distinct impression it is the same for a lot of them.
The rest is what it is, but I would ask do you listen to the the guy who wants your money that just got caught lying? The guy who let his house slip into foreclosure while claiming to be a Banners Broker Millionaire? The guy who did not have enough accounting or legal training to understand he was marketing an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme?
Or do you listen to the people who put out a lot of good information and say read this?
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09-05-2014, 11:18 AM
#16110
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
ribshaw
Banners Broker Affiliates who are now in loss, here is another PIMP that stole your money. He withdrew $100,000 of his $1,000,000 in "earnings", how did that work out for you? Remember that when he is wetting all over himself like a puppy trying to tell you he had no idea this was a scam.
Clawbacks they are a coming....JPG
I want to address something he just said about Numis and tax deductions.
HE JUST LIED about your monthly product purchases being deductible. Its OK a lot in the MLM community get this wrong. BUT that is what happens when you listen to IDIOTS posing as business professionals. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of accounting and tax would have spotted Banners Broker as a fraud long ago.
I digress.
FROM THE IRS:
However, the cost of a product that is used by the direct seller is a personal expense, even if that product is occasionally shown to prospective customers. Some direct sellers erroneously think they can decorate their home with products and deduct the cost as a business expense. To be deductible under IRC Section 162, the expense must be an ordinary and necessary expense paid or incurred in carrying on a trade or business (also see Regulation 1.162-3).
Under IRC Section 262, no deduction generally is allowed for personal, living, or family expenses.
Example 1: York is a direct seller who uses many of the products in her own home. When potential customers come to her house, she can show them drapes she bought from the company, as well as her lawn chairs, toaster, grill, tea set and spice cabinet. By showing these items in her own home, she hopes to interest people in buying them from her company or in becoming a direct seller themselves. York cannot take a deduction for the cost of any of these products. Because she uses them in her own home for personal reasons, their cost is not a cost of doing business.
Retail Industry ATG - Chapter 3: Examination Techniques for Specific Industries (Direct Sellers)
I leave you MLM hopefuls to answer the question, what sort of a ******* idiot makes a video telling you to cheat on your taxes? Especially considering it takes less than a minute to dispel chapter and verse?
Gerbil, I like my coffee like I like my women, hot and bitter.
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I want to banish one other LIE people like Mark Gerbil would have you believe. While I can't speak for everyone here, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL. This is a hobby for me, I hate fishing and my birdhouses come out looking like napkin holders. In fact I would say at some level it costs me money to do this as I could be doing other things. Of the people that I chat with here and on Facebook I get the distinct impression it is the same for a lot of them.
The rest is what it is, but I would ask do you listen to the the guy who wants your money that just got caught lying? The guy who let his house slip into foreclosure while claiming to be a Banners Broker Millionaire? The guy who did not have enough accounting or legal training to understand he was marketing an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme?
Or do you listen to the people who put out a lot of good information and say read this?
In my State, quarterly tax payed is called 'Sales and Use tax' for a reason.
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09-05-2014, 12:36 PM
#16111
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Moderators feel free to move/delete this. I am just astounded that people like Mark Gerbil continue to give such piss poor advice. Especially on top of them already losing people so much money in Banners Broker.
Originally Posted by
Whip
In my State, quarterly tax payed is called 'Sales and Use tax' for a reason.
Exactly and I doubt if you brag about buying inventory to be resold as some sort of unknown by CPAs magical tax savings panacea.
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For the affiliates who lost money with Gerbil in Banners Broker, here is what the genius of modern finance is trying to sell you...
You buy a coin that is probably worth $1000 for $1500 because you want to be in an MLM and spend your life making U-TUBE videos.
You then get lucky enough to sell that coin to some other sucker for $2000.
Your taxable gain is $500. Nothing magical, no big "tax deduction". Good luck finding another sucker who will pay $2000 for a $1000 worth of coin, but that's MLM for you.
If you simply buy it to hold it there is NO tax deduction, unless you sell it at the loss you will likely take because you overpaid for it in the first place. Oh I know they have a buyback guarantee, just like Chris Smith has always kept his word.
ADDED COMMENTARY... unless you are an experienced collector or just like it coin collecting as a HOBBY don't buy numismatics. Buy metal value only at a small premium to spot, or don't. There is plenty of discussion about the reasons behind this on the web.
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Two more quick links so I can drive traffic to my pretend website while I am at the Ramada pretending to be hucking no money down real estate seminars.
One thing you will hear frequently in the scam community especially with the purchase of metals/real estate is the use of Self Directed IRAs.
Even if the investment is on the up-and-up, an investor can easily run afoul of tax laws governing self-directed IRAs. One big hazard is "self dealing," which prohibits an investor from using tax-advantaged assets for personal use. Kiplinger - Interstitial
Investor Alert: Self-Directed IRAs and the Risk of Fraud | Investor.gov
Some more reading that would have kept you out of Banners Broker, and if you look now away from Gold Scams.
Investor Alert: 10 Red Flags That an Unregistered Offering May Be a Scam | Investor.gov
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09-05-2014, 01:06 PM
#16112
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Even by the lofty BB Crackpot standards, this is clueless. I just had my 1st LOL of the day.
Willi Austria "I assume you are clear, that if you claim money from BB over the liquidator, that you forfeit everything what you have on your BB account. I know, its only hypothetical in the moment, but surely you know that.
9 hrs"
Its a reply to this post.
https://www.facebook.com/bannersbrok...l_comments=115
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09-05-2014, 03:12 PM
#16113
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Beacon
At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" .
Interview with Affiliate Marketing Lord Finch Sells
Q: "Hi Finch, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, where do you live now?"
A: "Well, I’m a 24-year-old affiliate marketer, which I guess is interchangeable with Internet Scumbag. I make money through advertising and telling people they need products and services that they probably don’t."
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09-05-2014, 03:35 PM
#16114
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Fat City, LA
Even by the lofty BB Crackpot standards, this is clueless. I just had my 1st LOL of the day.
Willi Austria "I assume you are clear, that if you claim money from BB over the liquidator, that you forfeit everything what you have on your BB account. I know, its only hypothetical in the moment, but surely you know that.
9 hrs"
Its a reply to this post.
https://www.facebook.com/bannersbrok...l_comments=115
I'm pretty sure everyone will have no issue 'forfeiting' 0.00
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09-05-2014, 07:46 PM
#16115
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
https://www.facebook.com/14344248917...type=1&theater
This will be the largest collection of the ignorant ever assembled.
Frromthe BB fraud fb page.
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09-06-2014, 12:43 AM
#16116
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
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09-06-2014, 02:43 AM
#16117
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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09-06-2014, 02:55 AM
#16118
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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09-06-2014, 04:55 AM
#16119
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Buster Gutt
Interview with Affiliate Marketing Lord Finch Sells
Q: "Hi Finch, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, where do you live now?"
A: "Well, I’m a 24-year-old affiliate marketer, which I guess is interchangeable with Internet Scumbag. I make money through advertising and telling people they need products and services that they probably don’t."
They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?
The entire capitalist world is built on selling things people don't need. There's a difference between convincing you to buy something, and extracting your money to a ponzi scheme on a false promise.
Do you have a TV?
Do you go on holiday?
Do you buy one brand of cereal over another?
I think it's pretty telling that the only comeback BB had for my entire 30,000+ words of objections to their business model was a couple of quotes taken out of context where I call myself a scumbag.
Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.
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09-06-2014, 07:28 AM
#16120
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Saint Chris is pondering the next dilema..............how to make you all go away while he tries to quietly slip out the back door!
Darn that darned internet
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09-06-2014, 07:38 AM
#16121
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Martin88
They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?
The entire capitalist world is built on selling things people don't need. There's a difference between convincing you to buy something, and extracting your money to a ponzi scheme on a false promise.
Do you have a TV?
Do you go on holiday?
Do you buy one brand of cereal over another?
I think it's pretty telling that the only comeback BB had for my entire 30,000+ words of objections to their business model was a couple of quotes taken out of context where I call myself a scumbag.
Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.
Well, from my perspective, you asked the relevant questions, ones I wasn't experienced enough to ask
You argued your points intelligently with much more depth than I could have
You kept your head, better than I would have
You offered BB more chances to explain their processes, with more patience than I have
Most importantly, you recognised BB for what it is/was, a ponzi/pyramid scheme.
The real question is, by your imput and all of the above, how many potential victims money did you inadvertently save them as a result of their access to Finch Sells?
When I approached the Joe Duffy Show, it was indeed your website and RS links that I supplied for their reference. They did the show! So as a double whammy, who knows how many people were saved from the scourge that was BB either directly or indirectly through due diligence or awareness as a direct result of RS or FS?
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09-06-2014, 07:46 AM
#16122
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Martin88
They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?
Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.
Yes you should have said you were a world renown guru, who could double your money weekly. "Passive income for life"
The ponzi is dead, and they are casting around trying to shift the blame from themselves to others. Too late for that now.
The Canadian court will shine a light on this nest of crooks and scammers.
And despite all the evidence, there are still people clinging on to the hope that BB will arise from the dead.
And incredibly there will be losers who will follow their guru into "the next big thing" These sheep deserve to be perpetual victims.
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09-06-2014, 08:04 AM
#16123
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Jerrygo
Yes you should have said you were a world renown guru, who could double your money weekly. "Passive income for life"
The ponzi is dead, and they are casting around trying to shift the blame from themselves to others. Too late for that now.
The Canadian court will shine a light on this nest of crooks and scammers.
And despite all the evidence, there are still people clinging on to the hope that BB will arise from the dead.
And incredibly there will be losers who will follow their guru into "the next big thing" These sheep deserve to be perpetual victims.
Only problem with your last sentence is that they never go alone, they take a new batch of victims with them every time they discover ' the next best thing''
Convictions are needed, proper convictions for all of these scammers, from Smith down to every recruiter who has taken money off anyone in the name of these schemes.
They are unlicensed unregulated investment intermediaries ( where one takes money from another on the promise of making money) by default. Where are IFSRA / FSA etc?
You can't even hold a raffle for charity in most jurisdictions without some sort of official approval!
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09-06-2014, 08:33 AM
#16124
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Brenda
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Saint Chris is pondering the next dilema..............how to make you all go away while he tries to quietly slip out the back door!
Darn that darned internet
While all the early exit thieves like simon septic are crapping their pants now just wanting these people to stop making noise.
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09-06-2014, 09:36 AM
#16125
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Julie Templeton at her finest: Ignorant and stupid! WRONG post!
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