Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Beethoven

This is the basis of argument for most of those who defend BB.


No matter what evidence you dig up on this ponzi, it always comes down to the same basic defence that the sceptics simply don't know how BB works.

Truth is most people in BB don't know how it works. Example: if BB broker advertising on the internet, then why do most affilliates think they get paid because "the engine" is running?

It's the "Traffic Packs" that amuse me the most, I can just imagine the Dixits sitting at the dinner table...

"Do you think we can screw any more out of these fools?"

"Of course, let's tell them they can buy hits on their banners and these count towards them getting paid"

"I don't understand Raj dear, please explain. Do you really think they're gullible enough to pay money to buy something from us that we logically have no control over?"

"That, Gloria my love, is a stupid question, of course they are"

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Lol. I often wondered why they come on here, when they never have a decent answer to any of our questions. Must admit It never occured to me that they might be getting paid for it, as eagle1 suggests.

Look back at different threads both here and across the different forums both now and in the closed scams, when a state AG issues a cease and desist order
all the pimps/shills will post "THEY" take no notice of such things. They try to make it look like it's all the evil government's fault, just like they are doing with Ireland's newspaper article. Just standard operating procedure for them.

Wouldn't bother wasting your energy, you're dealing with a mostly moron mentality here. It's like the argument for or against global warming / climate change based on CO2 - you're either a believer or a non-believer, there are compelling arguments on both sides, but that's where the difference ends. Here it's assumptions and baseless allegations. No company has to prove their legit to a bunch of people who spend all their spare time scouring the net for anything that can be construed as defamatory or negative. A colleague of mine who works at the Irish Times confirms my suspicion about the Sunday World publication - it's a sensationalist tabloid paper, the print equivalent of "A Current Affair" or "Today Tonight" (two sensationalist tabloid journalism current affairs programs that follow the relevant station's news programs - Channel 9 / 7 respectively here in Australia). They've more than a few times barked up the wrong tree and found themselves either making an apology on air, or settling out of court when challenged.

Originally Posted by eze2do.biz

where are the ads!!
didn't I make that clear... its about working with the companies who have the blind ad market...renting banner space costs money!!... BB shares in the cost of the rent and hence the profit...

Untraceable payment processor ?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate? Especially on that "untraceable" bit ?
It's of little significance whether it's Payza, STP or another payment processor, please explain how you can make a funds transfer untraceable - for starters it's come from somewhere, either somebody's (or company) bank account, or a credit card charge, and the payment goes somewhere, it's traceable.

There is a way of sending money that's untraceable, and that's called "Bitcoins" - google it. That's UNTRACEABLE !

Originally Posted by littleroundman

My name is Mrs Mustapha Nigerian
( blah blah blah ) .....
[/COLOR]ez2do: yes, Sir, yes, Sir, three bags full, Sir, would you like that in untraceable cash or via untraceable payment processor, Sir ???
[/I]

Originally Posted by activeone

Wouldn't bother wasting your energy, you're dealing with a mostly moron mentality here..

We're not the ones defending a Ponzi scheme who, when asked simple questions like "where are the ads?" or "name one company BB do business with" suddenly have to go to bed, as the last BB shill did.

If you want to be taken seriously answer the questions, if not for those "who spend all their spare time scouring the net for anything that can be construed as defamatory or negative", but for those doing due diligence on BB before "investing" who may stumble upon this thread.

A legitimate business would simply respond to negative press by providing the data requested, thus proving the naysayers wrong. BB's response, by contrast, is to send shills like yourself out to post barely-intelligible drivel about "blind networks" and "top advertising brokers", without being able to provide one piece of solid, verifiable data to back up their claims.

By all means come here and argue your case, but please come armed with more than a load of nonsense that doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny, it's getting quite boring.

Got better things to do than justify myself to a bunch of losers who prefer the employee lifestyle - so here goes....

Sunday World = Sensationalist Tabloid Journalism. Mostly crap and bullshit, but it sells papers, and has made it one of the best selling tabloids in Ireland. Similarly, the same approach in Aussie TV by 'A Current Affair' and 'Today Tonight' has made these two TV programs the top rating programs in their timeslots (straight after the evening news).

Let's put the Sunday World's reputation to rest. It has little or none. I'm not saying don't buy the paper, but don't believe everything you read just because it's printed in a relatively popular mainstream paper.

(Source Wikipedia) - Sunday World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Controversies

2002 - In 2002 the Sunday World was sued for libel after a story which appeared in the paper in July 1999 was proven to be untrue. In the article journalist Paul Williams claimed a nun named Nora Wall had procured children so that they could be raped by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth. The paper was forced to issue a full apology and pay a €175,000 settlement to Ms. Wall.[9]

2007 - In November 2007, the Sunday World is believed to have paid at least €500,000 in damages to Julia Kushnir, a Ukrainian interpreter. Ms Kushnir survived a car crash in 2005 in which former Fianna Fáil politician Liam Lawlor was killed. The Sunday World claimed that Lawlor had been with a "teenage prostitute" when he was killed. In court it accepted the article was completely untrue and should never have been published.[10]

2007 - In 2007, the Sunday World was forced to pay €50,000 in damages to a guesthouse owner from Waterford after the paper suggested that the guesthouse was a brothel.[11]

2008 - In February 2008, the Sunday World was ordered to pay €900,000 in compensation to a Sligo man after it had described hims as a "Traveller drug king" in an article it had published in September 1999. The €900,000 in compensation was the highest payout ever awarded by a jury in a Libel case in Ireland.[12]

2008 - In December 2008, the Sunday World was sued by Belfast businessman Peter Curtistan after it falsely claimed he had been involved in Provisional IRA racketeering. The paper is believed to have paid Mr Curistan around £50,000 in compensation.[13]
2009 - In September 2009, the Sunday World is understood to have paid what is one of the biggest libel settlements in Northern Ireland legal history to former PSNI Chief Constable Hugh Orde. The newspaper had claimed the Chief Constable was involved in expense fiddling. This allegation proved to be false.[14][15]

2010 - In May 2010, the Sunday World was forced to pay £30,000 in damages to developer Frank Boyd after it published a story relating to Mr Boyd entitled 'Whistleblower sparks fraud squad probe into MoD contracts'. The newspaper issued a full apology to Mr Boyd.[16]
2010 - In June 2010, the Sunday World wa forced to pay a substantial five-figure sum and issue an apology to a Belfast estate-agent whom it had falsely claimed was involved in aiding an Ulster Defence Association killer.[17]
2010 - In December 2010, the Sunday World settled a libel case with a Kilkenny businesswoman after it published an article claiming that she had been involved in moneylaundering on behalf of the Provisional IRA following the Northern Bank robbery. The newspaper issued a full apology and paid an undisclosed settlement.[18]

2011 - In March 2011, the Sunday World admitted that it had published an inaccurate and defamatory article about a Dundonald GP by claiming he was involved in a neighbourhood dispute. The paper issued an apology and paid substantial damages to the GP.[19]

2011 - In November 2011, the Sunday World agreed to issue a public apology to convicted Old Bailey bomber and IRA Volunteer turned Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly. Kelly sued the paper claiming references to him as the chief of staff of the IRA with responsibility for the end of the IRA ceasefire in 1994 were defamatory to his reputation in the eyes of right thinking people. The Sunday World accepted that articles describing him as the Provos' chief of staff and alleging that he had a liaison with a female diplomat for "ulterior motives" were "wrong." [20]

2011 - In November 2011, Iris Robinson received "substantial damages" for the publication of photos taken while she was undergoing treatment for depression after an attempted suicide.[21]

2011 - In November 2011, the Sunday World settled a libel case with Wayne O'Donoghue after the paper claimed that semen found on the body of 11 year-old Robert Holohan was his. The newspaper admitted that the report was inaccurate.[22]

2012 - The paper is currently subject of a defamation case taken by Sinn Féin TD Aengus O'Snodaigh. The newspaper claimed in an article entitled "Aengus Turns Blind Eye To Car Jacking" that he had failed to report his car missing to the Gardai.[23]

wouldn't be surprised if that Banners Broker company eventually takes them to the cleaners also, bullshit might baffle brains and sell papers, but can also backfire. Suppose in the scheme of things, the damages they pay out are small change compared to the money they make.

Originally Posted by activeone

Got better things to do than justify myself to a bunch of losers who prefer the employee lifestyle - so here goes....

Sunday World = Sensationalist Tabloid Journalism. Mostly crap and bullshit, but it sells papers, and has made it one of the best selling tabloids in Ireland. Similarly, the same approach in Aussie TV by 'A Current Affair' and 'Today Tonight' has made these two TV programs the top rating programs in their timeslots (straight after the evening news).

Let's put the Sunday World's reputation to rest. It has little or none. I'm not saying don't buy the paper, but don't believe everything you read just because it's printed in a relatively popular mainstream paper.

(Source Wikipedia) - Sunday World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Controversies

2002 - In 2002 the Sunday World was sued for libel after a story which appeared in the paper in July 1999 was proven to be untrue. In the article journalist Paul Williams claimed a nun named Nora Wall had procured children so that they could be raped by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth. The paper was forced to issue a full apology and pay a €175,000 settlement to Ms. Wall.[9]

2007 - In November 2007, the Sunday World is believed to have paid at least €500,000 in damages to Julia Kushnir, a Ukrainian interpreter. Ms Kushnir survived a car crash in 2005 in which former Fianna Fáil politician Liam Lawlor was killed. The Sunday World claimed that Lawlor had been with a "teenage prostitute" when he was killed. In court it accepted the article was completely untrue and should never have been published.[10]

2007 - In 2007, the Sunday World was forced to pay €50,000 in damages to a guesthouse owner from Waterford after the paper suggested that the guesthouse was a brothel.[11]

2008 - In February 2008, the Sunday World was ordered to pay €900,000 in compensation to a Sligo man after it had described hims as a "Traveller drug king" in an article it had published in September 1999. The €900,000 in compensation was the highest payout ever awarded by a jury in a Libel case in Ireland.[12]

2008 - In December 2008, the Sunday World was sued by Belfast businessman Peter Curtistan after it falsely claimed he had been involved in Provisional IRA racketeering. The paper is believed to have paid Mr Curistan around £50,000 in compensation.[13]
2009 - In September 2009, the Sunday World is understood to have paid what is one of the biggest libel settlements in Northern Ireland legal history to former PSNI Chief Constable Hugh Orde. The newspaper had claimed the Chief Constable was involved in expense fiddling. This allegation proved to be false.[14][15]

2010 - In May 2010, the Sunday World was forced to pay £30,000 in damages to developer Frank Boyd after it published a story relating to Mr Boyd entitled 'Whistleblower sparks fraud squad probe into MoD contracts'. The newspaper issued a full apology to Mr Boyd.[16]
2010 - In June 2010, the Sunday World wa forced to pay a substantial five-figure sum and issue an apology to a Belfast estate-agent whom it had falsely claimed was involved in aiding an Ulster Defence Association killer.[17]
2010 - In December 2010, the Sunday World settled a libel case with a Kilkenny businesswoman after it published an article claiming that she had been involved in moneylaundering on behalf of the Provisional IRA following the Northern Bank robbery. The newspaper issued a full apology and paid an undisclosed settlement.[18]

2011 - In March 2011, the Sunday World admitted that it had published an inaccurate and defamatory article about a Dundonald GP by claiming he was involved in a neighbourhood dispute. The paper issued an apology and paid substantial damages to the GP.[19]

2011 - In November 2011, the Sunday World agreed to issue a public apology to convicted Old Bailey bomber and IRA Volunteer turned Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly. Kelly sued the paper claiming references to him as the chief of staff of the IRA with responsibility for the end of the IRA ceasefire in 1994 were defamatory to his reputation in the eyes of right thinking people. The Sunday World accepted that articles describing him as the Provos' chief of staff and alleging that he had a liaison with a female diplomat for "ulterior motives" were "wrong." [20]

2011 - In November 2011, Iris Robinson received "substantial damages" for the publication of photos taken while she was undergoing treatment for depression after an attempted suicide.[21]

2011 - In November 2011, the Sunday World settled a libel case with Wayne O'Donoghue after the paper claimed that semen found on the body of 11 year-old Robert Holohan was his. The newspaper admitted that the report was inaccurate.[22]

2012 - The paper is currently subject of a defamation case taken by Sinn Féin TD Aengus O'Snodaigh. The newspaper claimed in an article entitled "Aengus Turns Blind Eye To Car Jacking" that he had failed to report his car missing to the Gardai.[23]

BB should taken them to court then, sue them for every penny they have, Paul McCarthy will be the star witness. Actually, I'd love BB/SW to have their day in court, I'd pay good money to watch McCarthy trying to explain "blind networks", "panels" and "traffic packs" to a courtroom full of people with law degrees...

McCarthy certainly looks like he's been caught off-guard big time, judging from that photo in the article. Nothing unusual or a big deal, look at the media globally - there's plenty of photos of Australian PM Julia Gillard, or QLD Premier Newman looking like complete dills in newspapers lol

Originally Posted by activeone

McCarthy certainly looks like he's been caught off-guard big time, judging from that photo in the article. Nothing unusual or a big deal, look at the media globally - there's plenty of photos of Australian PM Julia Gillard, or QLD Premier Newman looking like complete dills in newspapers lol

I take it you didn't hear him trying to defend BB on the radio?

I've no idea who Newman is, but even Gillard comes across better than McCarthy, and she doesn't come across well at all

As predicted, another tag team member has now joined the fray. Wonder how many more will want to chime in with their BB is a legitimate business and will sue the pants off anyone who says otherwise. Can't wait for the next shill to come out to play. Just think we might have 3 at the same time to play with. One can only hope. This is more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.

Be sure to invite all the shills to come here and post. We look forward to having them. You all do a much better job of proving BB is a Ponzi than any of us. Thanks.

Can't say I heard him on the airwaves defending himself.... I can just imagine though - is there an archived audio somewhere ?

Interesting how the trolls come out of the woodworks putting down anything and everything they don't fully understand, as a scam. We have the same problem here, I work with a licensed securities dealer here on the Gold Coast, one of their investment products is a non-directional options auto-trading platform. Straight away, many think it's risky because of their limited knowledge of how the options market works. Directional trading is risky, however an experienced trader using an iron condor strategy (google it) can make money in any market condition. Bullish, bearish, neutral or volatile. Our options trading platform has turned a $10'000 initial investment into $49'000 after 15 months (not taking into account the platform fee of $6'000 p.a.). Most people see these kinds of returns as unrealistic and immediately fob us off as being dodgey, or a scam, despite being audited every month to make sure we're ASIC compliant. Also, being located on the Gold Coast is enough to turn people off, as this place has a reputation for having more than its fair share of 'shady companies'.

People used to directional trading, and used to 5%-10%'ish returns on their investments, told to buy shares (stocks) and managed funds, live in as different a reality to successful people as do people who are employees or subcontractors instead of business owners. There's a reason why some people are rich, successful, empowering and influential, and who most people are poor, struggling to make ends meet, and stressed out about life in general, getting their daily fix of tabloid journalism in the print or TV media, to feed that negativity and cynical mind some more.

Thought I'd add a few cents' worth here, as my flight back home is delayed, hardly any conversation and networking here, hardly anybody speaks english here lol
boarding call, so I better leave loserville, otherwise known as Realscum.com - remember all the bullshit and negativity here is not only destructive to all the people who have goals, dreams and ambitions to better themselves and financial position, but yourselves, all that time spent scouring the net for dirt on the latest 'opportunity' isn't improving your position in life, financially or otherwise, and if there's a few more of you like that 'poyol' chap, a proud young father, perhaps all that time would be better spent with your family, especially your kids?

I'll be back from time to time, need a good laugh.

Tag team member - you're a sad, sad lot.
Actually down at the beach with my daughter early last week, I observed an individual's actions which are very characteristic of the mentality of people here. Over an hour or so catching some rays, we observed a mother with her two little ones building a very impressive looking sandcastle structure out of sand by the waters' edge. Would have been over the best part of an hour and a half. Then they went in the water to cool down, went back to their towels, dried off and left the beach. A bit further down, a young couple was calling it a day also, and as the woman was packing up the gear, he ran for the water, jumped in and cooled off, and walking back out, got stuck into the sandcastle thingy that family was building, kicking it and completely destroying it beyond recognition whilst his girl was watching. He went back to his girl with a big grin in his face, jumping as he was walking, they hugged and kissed each other and left the beach.

My daughter looked at me in disbelief and said "geez there's some horrible people in this world", I said yep, there sure are. I showed her all the defamatory posts I captured before they were removed due to legal threats by SendOutCards on the scam.com site, and she spent the past hour reading through this forum, and to have a 15 year old say she's never seen so many people so full of **** in one single place. Might have to take her to Parliament House during question time

Originally Posted by activeone

Wouldn't bother wasting your energy, you're dealing with a mostly moron mentality here.

Not really...you haven't been trolling here that long.

Realscum troll response would be: "WTF? The tide will turn and wash the thing away anyways, so let's cut to the chase and destroy it now"

Originally Posted by activeone

Can't say I heard him on the airwaves defending himself.... I can just imagine though - is there an archived audio somewhere ?

Interesting how the trolls come out of the woodworks putting down anything and everything they don't fully understand, as a scam. We have the same problem here, I work with a licensed securities dealer here on the Gold Coast, one of their investment products is a non-directional options auto-trading platform. Straight away, many think it's risky because of their limited knowledge of how the options market works. Directional trading is risky, however an experienced trader using an iron condor strategy (google it) can make money in any market condition. Bullish, bearish, neutral or volatile. Our options trading platform has turned a $10'000 initial investment into $49'000 after 15 months (not taking into account the platform fee of $6'000 p.a.). Most people see these kinds of returns as unrealistic and immediately fob us off as being dodgey, or a scam, despite being audited every month to make sure we're ASIC compliant. Also, being located on the Gold Coast is enough to turn people off, as this place has a reputation for having more than its fair share of 'shady companies'.

People used to directional trading, and used to 5%-10%'ish returns on their investments, told to buy shares (stocks) and managed funds, live in as different a reality to successful people as do people who are employees or subcontractors instead of business owners. There's a reason why some people are rich, successful, empowering and influential, and who most people are poor, struggling to make ends meet, and stressed out about life in general, getting their daily fix of tabloid journalism in the print or TV media, to feed that negativity and cynical mind some more.

Thought I'd add a few cents' worth here, as my flight back home is delayed, hardly any conversation and networking here, hardly anybody speaks english here lol
boarding call, so I better leave loserville, otherwise known as Realscum.com - remember all the bullshit and negativity here is not only destructive to all the people who have goals, dreams and ambitions to better themselves and financial position, but yourselves, all that time spent scouring the net for dirt on the latest 'opportunity' isn't improving your position in life, financially or otherwise, and if there's a few more of you like that 'poyol' chap, a proud young father, perhaps all that time would be better spent with your family, especially your kids?

I'll be back from time to time, need a good laugh.

So your story is you work for a securities dealer on the Gold Coast. I am sure they are impressed with your support of BB. I think they should all join in BB. Just think of the huge downline you could have in BB and all the extra dough you all could be making. In fact, I would venture to say that you all could make more money in BB than they can being a securities dealer, don't you?. You need to show them the error of their ways immediately.

God you people are too funny. I work for a securities dealer but can't see a Ponzi sitting in front of my face.

HeHeHe,

don't ya just love the twisted logic of HYIP ponzi shills and pimps ???

Tell us, "activeone", did Bernard Madoff sue any of the news papers who reported on his ponzi scam and win ??

Did Sir Allen Stanford sue and win against any media outlets who reported on his multi million dollar fraud ???

Did Paul Burks or Andy Bowdoin follow through on any of their threats ????

Has ANY HYIP ponzi promoter, apologist, pimp or shill done so EVER ??

By "activeones" twisted logic, forums such as this wouldn't exist and the media would be restricted to reporting crimes AFTER a conviction has been recorded, AND crime reporting would be have to be couched in terms understandable only to the most uneducated of societies' members.

It's hardly the fault of REALSCAM.com or a media outlet that the "activeones" or the "Iain Sheriffs" of the world can't or won't understand exactly how frauds and fraudsters work.

But, keep up the good work, "activeone"

After all, the lifespan of your average HYIP ponzi apologist is extremely short.

Gotta get in as many posts as you can while Banners Broker still exists.

i have a life, goals, dreams, ambitions and a family, so don't expect very much from me here, except when I really, really need a laugh, or I'm stuck in an airport lounge waiting for a delayed flight and there's nobody worthwhile to network with.

animatedwhi_5thumb.gif go whip it good, like Devo !

... and just as I was having a poke at the 'whip' another troll comes out of the woodworks....

Last time I looked, under the westminster system, innocence is maintained until guilt is proven. Just because one doesn't understand a particular business model doesn't make it a scam, ponzi/HYIP. Just because you look like and walk like Jack the Ripper doesn't make you Jack the Ripper.

In most jurisdictions, there's certain procedures you can follow if you think you've been duped out of your hard earned money. Law enforcement is the domain of the justice system of your particular jurisdiction, not some dodgey website full of losers with a particular point of view, opinions and mostly baseless allegations.

Generally your first point of contact, if you think you've been conned or mislead by a company, is to contact your relevant consumer affairs, fair trading or similar department of your government. You'd then be advised to make a formal complaint in detail. It may or may not be actioned immediately, if at all, but if it's not an isolated incident, and more people come out of the woodworks, claiming they've been ripped off, eventually the long arm of the law begins its course of action, and the companies or individuals facing the allegations, dealt with under the due processes of the law, when they catch them, and accounts seized, as was in the case of Zeek.

I was approached by a close friend about Zeek a year or so ago, I did my due diligence and decided against it. My due diligence might have started with scam.com, to see what others opinions, then digging deeper. The numbers didn't add up so I declined.

Well, I have to admit that activeone has a new approach. Telling stories that have nothing to do with BB not being a Ponzi. I guess he is going to bore us to death with silly stories. Hmm, wonder if he is looking for new material for his stand-up gig?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Well, I have to admit that activeone has a new approach. Telling stories that have nothing to do with BB not being a Ponzi. I guess he is going to bore us to death with silly stories. Hmm, wonder if he is looking for new material for his stand-up gig?

moneydowntheloveit tried it with justbeenpillaging

Getting back to reality:

page #140 Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum

back to your reality ....
... enjoy your life of negativity and cynicism. Did you know negativity and cynicism causes stress? Stress is a major cause of stroke.
one source: Science proves that negativity is linked to stress. Also, that water is wet.

Give me positivity and prosperity any day, folks! Boarding time at long last !!!!

Originally Posted by activeone

Can't say I heard him on the airwaves defending himself.... I can just imagine though - is there an archived audio somewhere ?

Sure , just click on the titled Banners Broker Ltd in the link below:

RTÉ - Liveline

Originally Posted by activeone

Give me positivity and prosperity any day, folks! Boarding time at long last !!!!

We seem to be on the same page then

I'm "positive" the key to "prosperity" doesn't lay in playing HYIP ponzi scams.

Originally Posted by activeone

back to your reality ....
... enjoy your life of negativity and cynicism. Did you know negativity and cynicism causes stress? Stress is a major cause of stroke.
one source: Science proves that negativity is linked to stress. Also, that water is wet.

Give me positivity and prosperity any day, folks! Boarding time at long last !!!!

I think you'll find that's the BB reality, excuses and non-payment. The bonus (for Dixit anyway) is everyone will be so used to delays by the time he pulls the plug that no-one will realise what's happened until he's on a beach somewhere counting your his millions.


As for Chris Smith, he'll just cease to exist...