Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Haha, right!

It has a nice simple online reporting form...

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Ask Hoges and Strop about what they do.

Yes indeed....They got a first hand experience.....

For the benefit of non-Aussies....
"Hoges" is Paul Hogan the writer, creator and star of the Crocodile Dundee films.....He now lives in LA but when he returned to Aus in 2011 to visit his then sick mother the Project Wickenby task force put a "non departure" order on his passport.....This meant that Hoges could not leave Australia till he sorted out his tax matters....

"Strop" is John Cornell who co wrote the films and starred with Hoges in the TV show back in the 1970's....

I didn't withdraw anything - I realised it wasn't my money to withdraw!

Jason

Originally Posted by okosh

Yes indeed....They got a first hand experience.....

For the benefit of non-Aussies....
"Hoges" is Paul Hogan the writer, creator and star of the Crocodile Dundee films.....He now lives in LA but when he returned to Aus in 2011 to visit his then sick mother the Project Wickenby task force put a "non departure" order on his passport.....This meant that Hoges could not leave Australia till he sorted out his tax matters....

Sorry to be a pedant but just a couple of points.

1. Hogan returned to Australia in August 2010 not 2011 to attend his mothers funeral and not to "visit his sick mother"
2. The Taxation Office did issue a Departure Prohibition Order but within a month ( 3 September) Hogan was granted permission to return to the US i.e. he could and in fact did leave Australia without the order being revoked at the time.
3. In November 2010 ATO dropped all criminal charges against Hogan
4. In 2011 Hogan sued the Australian government
5. In 2012 the matter was settled out of court and the DP Order revoked as part of that settlement.

Paul Hogan settles tax dispute
BBC News - Actor Paul Hogan's Australia tax battle 'over'

I don't think Banners Broker are really comparable.

If only those gloating about how they have withdrawn their original investment and MORE!!! had the same morals as you Jason, good on you for 'paying the price' yourself once you realised you were scammed.....

Originally Posted by Poyol

I didn't withdraw anything - I realised it wasn't my money to withdraw!

Jason

Originally Posted by Beacon

Sorry to be a pedant but just a couple of points.

1. Hogan returned to Australia in August 2010 not 2011 to attend his mothers funeral and not to "visit his sick mother"
2. The Taxation Office did issue a Departure Prohibition Order but within a month ( 3 September) Hogan was granted permission to return to the US i.e. he could and in fact did leave Australia without the order being revoked at the time.
3. In November 2010 ATO dropped all criminal charges against Hogan
4. In 2011 Hogan sued the Australian government
5. In 2012 the matter was settled out of court and the DP Order revoked as part of that settlement.

Paul Hogan settles tax dispute
BBC News - Actor Paul Hogan's Australia tax battle 'over'

I don't think Banners Broker are really comparable.

So you spent longer on google then I did

Originally Posted by okosh

You already did that to yourself....Over and over and over again

Really ? Care to indicate say three examples?

As would anyone with a shred of decency....

Let me get this straight. Anyone denying moral absolutes exist and asking for an example of a moral absolute would be doing a "morally decent thing" by refusing to accept the Holocaust or any other example of a moral absolute as "always wrong"?
Now that IS an example of a logical inconsistency.
One can't claim moral absolutes don't exist or are meaningless and demand evidence of them then refuse to discuss one when it is presented to them on the grounds that it is "morally repugnant" to introduce such a topic which we all accept as a moral absolute.
It is basically arguing that something cant exist based on the fact that it exists!
and it is relevant that people here do follow basic logical consistency because as I have pointed out whenever we dont and we fail to correct such errors any premise established by such errors can later be brought up as a stick to beat us with.
Im quite happy to accept ANY valid corrections to any erroneous claims I may have make.
So feel free to post those three example of logical inconsistencies I have made in any argument an I will be happy to correct myself.
If on the other hand you don't post those examples I guess the rest of us will just have to assume they don't exist.
And I dont claim to be perfect but other than grammatical or typographical errors in about ten thousand internet posts in over a decade I have been factually corrected on less than about five of them I reckon. If you cant produce three logical errors from this site I can certainly refer you to thousands of usenet posts should you so require and I am happy for you to go through them and produce any errors in them.

Will you please give it a break!!

You are worse than Max for trying to derail the thread.

Originally Posted by okosh

So you spent longer on google then I did

That isnt the issue. the issue is "reliability". I appears several people ( your being one of them) are contending that my posts are unreliable or invalid. I use the words in the
scientific sence i.e.
1. That the arguments I present are logically valid or that what I am offering measures what it is claimed it measures
2. That continuous remeasurement or research into the same subject produces the same result

If you or anyone else claims I do not subscribe to 1 or 2 then you need only post counterexamples to falsify my position.

I would add that legal, medical, or philosophical opinion does not usually require such a high standard of evidence. Mathematics however does.

Banners Broker in comparison has no standards at all to which to compare it. I in that I include the standard legal requirements such as audits, registration etc. as well as the normal supports for business such as showing their employees, their business backgrounds and qualifications etc.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Let me get this straight.

Not much hope of that
For all your fancy words you are not smart enough to get it by now so you most likely never will.....

I've got a new analytics service for my blog - can a few of you go to it for me.

Thanks

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

I've got a new analytics service for my blog - can a few of you go to it for me.

Thanks

Jason

did you see me there Jason? or do you need a comment?

Originally Posted by okosh

Not much hope of that
For all your fancy words you are not smart enough to get it by now so you most likely never will.....

This is another fallacy. "Circular argument" A claim to prove that P is true (e.g. P ="cant be understood ever ") based on the assumption that P is true ( e.g. P = "cant be understood by you now" ) ther are a whole load of problems with this line of reasoning ( e.g. proving a negative, burden of proof) but Im not going to entertain it any more after this

If you can support your empty claims about me take them to PM or to another thread outlining clearly how you somehow "get it"and I "dont get it" . Until you produce the evidence to support your claims they remain baseless. If you ever provide me with any evidence about your claims about me Im happy to repost it in public. I wont waste any more space here on this issue.

Originally Posted by kiwichick

did you see me there Jason? or do you need a comment?

Will probably take an hour or so to refresh.
Don't need a comment - thanks, Kiwi!

Jason

Originally Posted by Beacon

I wont waste any more space here on this issue.

Great no more BS from you

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Warning!!!

Originally Posted by Poyol

Will probably take an hour or so to refresh.
Don't need a comment - thanks, Kiwi!

Jason

I also visited and went to listen to them phone messages.....That Martin Wild is something else....

Originally Posted by Poyol

Will probably take an hour or so to refresh.
Don't need a comment - thanks, Kiwi!

Jason

One comment. You might explain that "though I'm in Manchester BB uses US dollars as an operating currency. This also raises a related issue of "identity theft" as subscribers have to send and validate an inordinate amount of personal details which they are conned into thinking are necessary in order to get money back outm of their dollar account "

Originally Posted by okosh

I also visited and went to listen to them phone messages.....That Martin Wild is something else....

Irritating how he said my name so many times.

*Yawn*

He's a ©unt. Let's say it how it is.

Jason

Originally Posted by Beacon

One comment. You might explain that "though I'm in Manchester BB uses US dollars as an operating currency. This also raises a related issue of "identity theft" as subscribers have to send and validate an inordinate amount of personal details which they are conned into thinking are necessary in order to get money back outm of their dollar account "

Aye, I'll add that to my About page.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Poyol

I've got a new analytics service for my blog - can a few of you go to it for me.

Thanks

Jason

I visited and that guy is something else.

Seems the pimps & shills are getting something of a second wind...

Originally Posted by Poyol

Irritating how he said my name so many times.

*Yawn*

He's a ©unt. Let's say it how it is.

Jason

Indeed. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he sure is something else that Martin Wild.

Just to put a face to the voice, is this the one?

Martin Wild - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity - Manchester - Business Opportunities
https://www.qype.co.uk/people/martinwild
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity in Manchester - Ripon Gazette
Online Income Generation Business Opportunity
https://www.facebook.com/martinwild.uk
https://twitter.com/martinwild

But, as he says, he is an honest and ethical businessman of 21 years. And remember, "It's impossible not to make money".

Originally Posted by Unknown_S

Indeed. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he sure is something else that Martin Wild.

Just to put a face to the voice, is this the one?

Martin Wild - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity - Manchester - Business Opportunities
https://www.qype.co.uk/people/martinwild
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity in Manchester - Ripon Gazette
Online Income Generation Business Opportunity
https://www.facebook.com/martinwild.uk
https://twitter.com/martinwild

But, as he says, he is an honest and ethical businessman of 21 years. And remember, "It's impossible not to make money".

I do have a seperate thread on Martin Wild!
http://www.realscam.com/f11/martin-wild-hyde-1660/

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

I do have a seperate thread on Martin Wild!
http://www.realscam.com/f11/martin-wild-hyde-1660/

Jason

Nothing like spreading the Wild love!

The way these names get dragged through the dirt, you just know they'll never be able to do an honest day's work ever again.

But the thing is, most have no intention of earning an honest living anyway.

So I'm not quite sure why he sounded so upset with you. From what I can see, all you did was help to permanently associate his name with Banners Broker. How can that be a bad thing? It's not like BB is a ponzi or anything...