Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Gregg

I will give $100 cash to anyone who can post proof that they broke Symon's *&$% finger.

There's just something about that retarded monkey that makes me want to hit someone.

Gundam it!!


Why is the good offers are always for jobs abroad.

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Originally Posted by Nourjan

Only a truly egotistical narcissist would ever quote himself

Originally Posted by Gregg

I will give $100 cash to anyone who can post proof that they broke Symon's *&$% finger.

There's just something about that retarded monkey that makes me want to hit someone.

Gregg, This is morally wrong, think about it you are offering $100 for someone to assault Simon.

Surely you meant $1,000? That is a bit fairer.

Actually i was upset by you comparing Simon to a retarded monkey. If we resort to namecalling then this obnoxious, odious, weasel faced oxygen thief gets the moral high ground.

I put £95 into BB last November. Thankfully I haven't put in anymore money in but I did sign in 2 referrals which I am now feeling very bad about. One of them has put in a payment request to draw out his initial investment of £480 but has only received a partial payment of $100 so far despite having well over $700 to withdraw. I have now encouraged them both to get their money out as soon as they can.

What truelly baffles me is the world wide negative attention BB is getting but people still sign in and new countries open up. How long will it take the relevent investigative authorities to shut them down? I have other people, that I have "sold" this to, who want to sign in but I have referred them to this site so that they can get a true picture of what's going on.

I'll keep the forum updated as things progress

Originally Posted by joe pineapples

I put £95 into BB last November. Thankfully I haven't put in anymore money in but I did sign in 2 referrals which I am now feeling very bad about. One of them has put in a payment request to draw out his initial investment of £480 but has only received a partial payment of $100 so far despite having well over $700 to withdraw. I have now encouraged them both to get their money out as soon as they can.

What truelly baffles me is the world wide negative attention BB is getting but people still sign in and new countries open up. How long will it take the relevent investigative authorities to shut them down? I have other people, that I have "sold" this to, who want to sign in but I have referred them to this site so that they can get a true picture of what's going on.

I'll keep the forum updated as things progress

Hello Joe,

Welcome to my team. Actually I have not lost a penny at legitimate HYIP business called BB but introduced a friend of mine and he probably lost 500 pounds...
I guess in You case they can still make a charge back on their credit cards. In most cases up to 150 days after online purchase...

How long will it take the relevent investigative authorities to shut them down?
IMO very loooong...

@Joe: Welcome to realscam. You say you are baffled why people are still joining when there is negative attention. But you still joined last November. There was negative press then too. Why did you join?
(not trying to be confrontational just interested)

Originally Posted by noname999

@Joe: Welcome to realscam. You say you are baffled why people are still joining when there is negative attention. But you still joined last November. There was negative press then too. Why did you join?
(not trying to be confrontational just interested)

Think back to late last year.

The first 4 of 5 Banners Broker pages on Google were all from Banners Broker members ensuring any negative comments were buried.

In fact, REALSCAM.com came under some criticism for the fact our SEO wasn't effective and our page ranking on Google wasn't "good enough" and we should be doing more.

IM(very)HO, it's all too easy to forget HYIP ponzi frauds such as Banners Broker don't just "happen"

There are literally THOUSANDS of people out there beavering away doing all the behind the scenes work such as bombarding Google and posting "random" good news stories.

Not strictly true. On a search last year you would have found this page site on the second page and scam.com on the first page. Also the fact that there were so many searches with BB and scam together would set off alarm bells.
Any search over 2 minutes would have shown up negative press.

Originally Posted by noname999

Not strictly true. On a search last year you would have found this page site on the second page and scam.com on the first page. Also the fact that there were so many searches with BB and scam together would set off alarm bells.
Any search over 2 minutes would have shown up negative press.

About year ago Ive spend more than 2 minutes and even asked legitimate HYIP BB if they are HYIP after finding them on one of the HYIP monitor....
Of course BB refused to be a HYIP...
We talk about March 2012

I have found no single negative blog/page and joined them, that`s all. I really believed they are 2nd Google

Originally Posted by Tomas

About year ago Ive spend more than 2 minutes and even asked legitimate HYIP BB if they are HYIP after finding them on one of the HYIP monitor....
Of course BB refused to be a HYIP...
We talk about March 2012

I have found no single negative blog/page and joined them, that`s all. I really believed they are 2nd Google

Why would you think it was the 2nd Google?
When Google first started they had:
1. Owners were Computer Science students at Stanford and were actually running a search engine at the University
2. The company Google Inc. was funded with $100,000 by one of the owners in 1998
3. Google set up office in a garage for a few months then moved to Palo Alto with 8 employees
4. Google gets funded by a legitimate company with $25 mil
5. In 2000, Google becomes one of the worlds largest search engine companies

After 2 minutes of DD
Banners Broker
1. Owner, Chris Smith, although claiming to be a MIT grad, has no experience in the space that Google is in. His experience is running HYIP scams
2. BB was funded by recruiting members into a business that has no product and promised members double their investment without working for it
3. BB still has no office - only a virtual office in Isle of Man or Belize. BB has no employees - all staff are Stellar Points. Try and phone actual BB head office if you can find it and see who answers the phone.
4.A BB search, a couple of months after launch, labelled a scam and Ponzi in many forums

BB, the 2nd Google? Too many red flags in the above to not do more DD before donating any money to BB.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

Why would you think it was the 2nd Google?
When Google first started they had:
1. Owners were Computer Science students at Stanford and were actually running a search engine at the University
2. The company Google Inc. was funded with $100,000 by one of the owners in 1998
3. Google set up office in a garage for a few months then moved to Palo Alto with 8 employees
4. Google gets funded by a legitimate company with $25 mil
5. In 2000, Google becomes one of the worlds largest search engine companies

After 2 minutes of DD
Banners Broker
1. Owner, Chris Smith, although claiming to be a MIT grad, has no experience in the space that Google is in. His experience is running HYIP scams
2. BB was funded by recruiting members into a business that has no product and promised members double their investment without working for it
3. BB still has no office - only a virtual office in Isle of Man or Belize. BB has no employees - all staff are Stellar Points. Try and phone actual BB head office if you can find it and see who answers the phone.
4.A BB search, a couple of months after launch, labelled a scam and Ponzi in many forums

BB, the 2nd Google? Too many red flags in the above to not do more DD before donating any money to BB.

Hi,

My apologies I mean Google Adwors (which I use sometimes), but You are right my ignorance this time did take money off me but there will be no more online investments in my life. I promise ;)

Originally Posted by Tomas

Hi,

My apologies I mean Google Adwors (which I use sometimes), but You are right my ignorance this time did take money off me but there will be no more online investments in my life. I promise ;)

No apology required. I just wanted to point out that there was quite a bit if info on BB out there over a year ago. Having said that, the promoters are pretty slick at disguising their true business model and people really want to believe that just maybe this is a really good work-at-home business that could earn them a lot of money for doing next to nothing. Unfortunately, those businesses don't exist and when hearing of a business that claims to do that, it should set of warning signs to anyone do a lot of research on that business to make sure it is legitimate and doesn't pay you (in any way, shape or form) for recruiting members in order to get paid.

Originally Posted by noname99

Any search over 2 minutes would have shown up negative press.

Presuming, of course, they actually searched.

In my experience, the type of "searching" we take as being SOP is less common than we might assume in the great majority of 'net users.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Presuming, of course, they actually searched.

In my experience, the type of "searching" we take as being SOP is less common than we might assume in the great majority of 'net users.

Yeah, thats why I don't want Joe to think its strange that people are still joining. Much of the information he is now privy to, would have been available before he joined too.

Originally Posted by noname999

Yeah, thats why I don't want Joe to think its strange that people are still joining. Much of the information he is now privy to, would have been available before he joined too.

I too am amazed that as many people fall for the things that they do, and many seemingly fall for the same thing over and over again. For instance on the Profitable Sunrise Facebook page it is filled with spam for other programs. Intuitively I would think that people that just got screwed would be the last people in the world to want to part with their money, but I am guessing the reverse is true. In fact one of the recent posts that gathered the most comments and 36 likes was from the person who set up the page. The byline was turn 0 into $700k in 30 days, now without any research I would call BS on that.

What is it that makes presumably 36 people think that this is not only a real possibility, but a great idea? And considering it was shared by a person who thought that PS was the real deal too. That sort of mindset is very hard to get through to no matter how many red flags are thrown on the field.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I too am amazed that as many people fall for the things that they do, and many seemingly fall for the same thing over and over again. For instance on the Profitable Sunrise Facebook page it is filled with spam for other programs. Intuitively I would think that people that just got screwed would be the last people in the world to want to part with their money, but I am guessing the reverse is true.

I don't think this goes for every member but it might well cover most of them.

1. Look at the demographic. they seem to be mostly older people or pensioners who are not computer savvy. They are not necessarily stupid they just dont have specific education about Information Technology or the Advertising business. They get most of their news from TV or popular press which tout the internet as the biggest thing since sliced bread. They are aware of the huge growth rates of IT related business and think BB is like this.
2. Another aspect is the "trust me" style of recruiting using friends and family. they don't realise that this is the main vector for recruiting and believe they are a tiny aspect of a big business whereas ALL they money is coming from them and their downlines.
3. Back to demographics . What Altemyer ( reference below but do the quiz on page 11 before you read anything about this book as you want to find out wher you sit before you read about it) calls Right Wing Authoritarians . He explains how there are RWA "followers" and "leaders".

It does not mean you are a nazi if you are RWA but it does mean you might have a tendency to get caught up in all that sort of stuff if the society is like that.
So dont bother to tell me about Godwins Law. RWA is broader than naziism. He goes into the "Tea Party" movement in the US. Indeed many groups legal and dubious such as Police, Army, football hooligans can have RWA mindsets. Also, other dubious groups might not have them e.g. anarchists, punk rockers ~ although how one gets an organisation of anarchists I don't know :)

I don't think you would find punk rockers at a BB recruitment but you won't find uniform police either ~ well not till it collapses :)

Anyway Altemeyer also makes a comparison of RWA with fundamentalist religions.
The book is free and you can find it here.

The Authoritarians
Remember ~ do the quiz on page 11 first but not because I told you to do it now!

One thing, I keep calling BB HYIP right? Im wrong, BB is not a HYIP. Real HYIP program:
1. Do not change rules
2. Dying in few days after it stops paying investors.

BB
1. Is Changing rules now every day.
2. Carry on after it stops paying most of their victims.

Originally Posted by Tomas

One thing, I keep calling BB HYIP right? Im wrong, BB is not a HYIP. Real HYIP program:
1. Do not change rules
2. Dying in few days after it stops paying investors.

BB
1. Is Changing rules now every day.
2. Carry on after it stops paying most of their victims.

What on earth is a "real" HYIP program ???

There is no such thing as a "real" HYIP.

In fact, NOTHING about a HYIP is "real"

There are no "rules" in the HYIP world.

There's only what HYIP ponzi pimps and shills would like you to believe.

From biggest pimp in The UK facebook`s website:
simonfb.jpg

Not deleted comment? Must be busy spending money....

Posted from the leader's call, looks like they are listening to the input...
A few summarized points from this mornings leaders call :
Chris Speaking-

#1-Niagra convention has been cancelled.
Anyone who has bought a Blue Mercedes panel and anyone who does buy a Mercedes panel , now stands a chance to win the Mercedes. One does NOT need to be in canada to win. The draw will take place on the same day.
Anyone who has already bought tickets and does come to Canada will be entertained.

#2-Wire has just been received and Payouts will be going out in the next couple of days.

#3-We do have a new processor that we are working on, however these things take time to implement . The previous bb card took 10 months to implement . We do not want the new processor to be a "here today gone tommorrow" thing. We want a permanent solution.There is also a lot of due diligence involved that we have to do to ensure this and we are in the process of doing this.
We are NOT going to mention the new processor as the last thing we want is for bloggers to get a hold of this information and start making negative comments.

#4- The trafic pack rule: We want our program to be an Affiliate based program , thus the new trafic pack rule is to make it look les attractive. Our original goal was for our program to be an affiliate based program and NOT a passive income program.

Note: On the 15th we will be able to cancel TWO trafic packs ONLY. Chris did NOT mention anything about being able to cancell all trafic packs without the penalty.

Thanks for this!

Originally Posted by marsh56

Note: On the 15th we will be able to cancel TWO trafic packs ONLY. Chris did NOT mention anything about being able to cancell all trafic packs without the penalty.

Means more and more people want to "save" some money before the ship will go down as they know already this ship MUST go down!

BTW did You know this thread has over 20 reading guests every time when I enter here???? Nice.

Originally Posted by Tomas

Thanks for this!



Means more and more people want to "save" some money before the ship will go down as they know already this ship MUST go down!

BTW did You know this thread has over 20 reading guests every time when I enter here???? Nice.

You are welcome. Regarding "guests", I almost always show as one because I usually just read the thread and only log in when I want to comment.

I don't know if it is possible here but it would be helpful if the site would keep us logged in. This is how it works over at MMG. I understand there may be security issues but I am not a techie and do not know how it works.

Mark

latest news from BB:
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To our valued affiliates

Banners Broker International has decided in light of current challenges we’ve faced it is not in good judgment, nor is it a sound business decision to proceed with the yearly convention as planned.

Due to the large costs associated with an event of such grandeur we have decided it is irresponsible to allocate these funds to a function when they can be better used to support the needs of affiliates.

However, due to the number of affiliates that have made travel arrangements we are still hosting a Banners Broker Tour in Niagara Falls at the same scheduled time. This event will entail training sessions, one on ones, and the Sunday main event. 350 tickets will be made available and will go on sale Monday evening. If you have any questions regarding these changes please submit a support ticket or call 289 316 0507.

For those who purchased the Mercedes panel; you will not have to be present at the event in order to receive the price. But, your account must be in a good standing from the panel purchase date to the draw date. It cannot be negative or locked.

Kind Regards,

Banners Broker International
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As usual rules changed every hour...

Negative blogers can sleep well this time

Originally Posted by marsh56

Anyone who has already bought tickets and does come to Canada will be entertained.

This is hilarious!!! Guess they be sending us over to Cyprus or whatsisname...

Originally Posted by marsh56

Posted from the leader's call, looks like they are listening to the input...
A few summarized points from this mornings leaders call :
Chris Speaking-


Anyone who has already bought tickets and does come to Canada will be entertained.

Let me guess... Chris will show his ultra fast panels movement and his made of platinum BB`s ring + fake rolex.

Originally Posted by marsh56

Posted from the leader's call, looks like they are listening to the input...
A few summarized points from this mornings leaders call :
Chris Speaking-

#1-Niagra convention has been cancelled.

So much for "convention/ World Tour/ ten year lease is proof of our longevity and determination to be in this for the next twenty years"

Hooker who took the "ten year lease" ( well he claimed to but didnt put a copy anywhere) does not even mention being in BB.

Anyone who has already bought tickets and does come to Canada will be entertained.

By the RCMP? :)

#3-We do have a new processor that we are working on, however these things take time to implement . The previous bb card took 10 months to implement . We do not want the new processor to be a "here today gone tommorrow" thing. We want a permanent solution.

We are NOT going to mention the new processor as the last thing we want is for bloggers to get a hold of this information and start making negative comments.

LOL @ "permanent"
They are inept at even running a scam! Ten months to get a bank to set up a payment process. LOL!
And they claim that "negative comments" entirely destroyed their electronic payment processor and genius foolproof mathematics algorithm ?
Wonder what the negative comments will do in court? :)

#4- The trafic pack rule: We want our program to be an Affiliate based program , thus the new trafic pack rule is to make it look les attractive. Our original goal was for our program to be an affiliate based program and NOT a passive income program.

LOL changing deckchairs on the Titanic with a view of squeezing the last drop of money out of the faithful dupes.