Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

More on EBCON .....

So are they 2 different organisations or not? Is it a dissolved private Swiss company or not? WHO ARE THEY?

By their statement they sound like a heavy-weight consumer-advocacy NGO, covering the whole of Europe - they certainly use the EU flag.

I wonder how much web traffic they get?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ebcon.net

I wonder how that compares with the consumer-advocacy agency for, say, a single country?
Oft.gov.uk Site Info
Citizensadvice.org.uk Site Info

Hmm, so a UK-specific agency is ranked 2 orders of magnitude higher up the rankings than a pan-European body?

What kind of ranking should a pan-European body be getting?
Europa.eu Site Info
Beuc.org Site Info


Hmm, maybe I'll Google News search for "Stefan Kletsch" because as the president of EBCON, he'll appear in the news, right? NOTHING! Only the Youtube of the FlexKom presentation. (A Googlewhack no less!)

What about under a general web search. Ah! We find lots of stuff to do with FlexKom and EBCON, but what's this?
A social profile: Stefan Kletsch - Präsident - EBCON European Busine ... | XING
Wherein he describes himself as (Google Translation section "Organizations"): "Member of the Economic Advisory Council of the Union, President of the European Business Club EBCON"
So EBCON is a business club? What's that?
But it also says Economic Advisory Council of the Union - does he mean the EU? Surely he would have said so in his email reply to me? (I did directly ask him if EBCON was an official EU body)
What else could "the Union" mean in this context?
(He's also president of K & K Consulting GmbH - I'll look into that another time.)

But there's also the page already posted earlier in this thread:
WARNING
Here's an excerpt:
The following persons are not current funtionmaries of the European Economic Chamber of Trade, Com merce and Industry (EEIG) and any assertion by them that they are associated to our organization should be reported directly to us (e-mail)
......
Dr. Stefan KLETSCH, Regensburg/Germany

But who is this? BAKU-EEIG.AZ - that's a domain name in Azerbaijan !?!
But the email address given is ceo@european-economic-chamber-eeig.eu - which is EU ?!?

That is as far as my trail currently goes. It is incomplete research.

Yet to come, my research into the accreditation from BDS (Bund der Sparer eV) .....

Originally Posted by Stewart

That is as far as my trail currently goes. It is incomplete research.

Yet to come, my research into the accreditation from BDS (Bund der Sparer eV) .....

I can complete the trail for you.

First of al, both EBCON sites belong to the same Stefan Kletsch. As found out in this thread, he's not really trustworthy, apparently.

Almost all of the FlexKom International communications is German. (because, Germany is international enough for Flexkom?) So most of what FlexKom is telling the world, has to be translated. Somewhere along the line there was a mistake made with the translations and the abbreviations. As you've found out, translating "Europäische Verbraucher Beratung" to English makes "European Consumer Counseling". Short for that is ECC. But, ECC is also the abbreviation of European Consumer Centre, wich actually is a governmental institution or something like that. Flexkom's followers got this mixed up and were telling every body that the ECC had given Flexkom a prize. Try this search:

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1...&q=ecc+flexkom

ECC received lots of calls and mails from people who wanted to verify this. I also called them. ECC does not hand out any prizes, stamps, seals or whatever and is certainly not connected to Flexkom in any way.

But there's more. EBCON tries to pretend as if they are some sort of EU institution, apparently they try to impersonate the EEIG. Azerbaijan has warned for this, but also the main EU site itself does:
EUROPEAN ECONOMIC CHAMBER of Trade, Commerce and Industry - Warning

Next is Bund der Sparer. This one is easy. See the official BdS blog: bds-online.info | BDS magazin
In the top menu it says: "Ein geniales Konzept", wich translates into "A genius concept". This blog has a permanent link to a promo page of FlexKom. Really trustworthy. Also, if you dig deeper, you'd find out what exactly this Bund der Sparer is. Flexkom people will not be pleased with what they'd found out. For now, I think the link in de blog of BdS proves enough; its fake.

Originally Posted by Wouter Hol

But there's more. EBCON tries to pretend as if they are some sort of EU institution, apparently they try to impersonate the EEIG. Azerbaijan has warned for this, but also the main EU site itself does:
EUROPEAN ECONOMIC CHAMBER of Trade, Commerce and Industry - Warning

This is an excellent link. Makes it crystal clear. Stefan Kletsch of Regensburg, Germany, is on an official EU warning list.

No need to spend €13,80 on his file then ... GENIOS ManagerDossier Kletsch, Stefan, K & K Consulting GmbH

Originally Posted by Wouter Hol

Next is Bund der Sparer. This one is easy. See the official BdS blog: bds-online.info | BDS magazin
In the top menu it says: "Ein geniales Konzept", wich translates into "A genius concept". This blog has a permanent link to a promo page of FlexKom. Really trustworthy. Also, if you dig deeper, you'd find out what exactly this Bund der Sparer is. Flexkom people will not be pleased with what they'd found out. For now, I think the link in de blog of BdS proves enough; its fake.

Here is some research I did back in July, when this was all kicking off with my friend. (Only recently invited to share the info with this site. Glad to have found you guys :-)

Email exchange between myself and BDS:
From: FH BDS <fh@bds-deutschland.de>
Date: 11 July 2013 19:28
Subject: AW: Flexkom Gmbh
To: Stewart

Dear Sir,

please excuse that my English is not so good.

As far as I understood Your question: Yes, we gave this siegel to Flexkom

Best regards

Herrmann
Bund der Sparer e.V.

-----
From: Franz Hermann <fh@der-sparer.de>
Date: 2013/7/11
Subject: AW: Flexkom Gmbh
To: Stewart

Dear Sir,

please have a look at our websites - down below are the adresses.
Bund der Sparer e.V. is a indipendent union, which informs aubout finances and economics.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Franz J. Herrmann
Bund der Sparer e.V.
Postfach 1227
82059 Neuried
Tel: 089 - 759 689 60
Fax: 089 - 759 689 59
Email: info@bds-deutschland.de
Internet:
Willkommen zur Hauptseite
bds-online.info | BDS magazin und bds-online.info | BDS magazin
Franz J. Herrmann - Vorstandsvorsitzender vom Bund der Sparer e.V.
Die Finanzlüge
Der Euro wird abgewertet
Bund der Sparer e.V.

Dieses Dokument ist ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt. Der Inhalt dieser Email bleibt solange unverbindlich, bis Sie eine schriftliche Bestätigung über den Inhalt erhalten. Außerdem lehnen wir jede Verantwortung und jegliche Regressansprüche ab, solange Sie ohne schriftliche Bestätigung aufgrund dieser Email agieren/reagieren oder davon absehen. Falls Sie diese E-mail Nachricht versehentlich bekommen haben, rufen Sie uns bitte unverzüglich an und löschen Sie diese Nachricht von ihrem Computer. Jegliche Art von Reproduktion, Verbreitung, Vervielfältigung, Modifikation, Verteilung und/oder Publikation dieser E-mail Nachricht ist strengstens verboten.
----

"Bund der Sparer" translates to "Confederation of Savers" (but remember that FlexKom is NOT an investment opportunity, just like Banners Broker wasn't!)

From: Stewart
Date: 11 July 2013 22:00
Subject: Re: Flexkom Gmbh
To: Franz Hermann <fh@der-sparer.de>

Thank you very much Sir.

I will for sure study these links you have provided.

Today tried to telephone the numbers on this web page: Impressum

The telephone number in Neuried gave me an automated operator saying "This number is temporarily out of order."
The one in Augsburg got me a friendly lady (who was very tolerant of my bad German) - she explained that it was a wrong number, and had been since about 1 year.

Did I simply dial the numbers incorrectly? (Dialling from the UK, it's possible I made a mistake.)
Or has there been a change to the numbers or something else?

Thank you very much for the information you have given me.

Best Regards,

Stewart
London, UK

Looks like a sister thread on another blog here ....
Complaint Centre Lyoness: FlexKom: the new Lyoness?

Not directly on FlexKom, but on Lyoness, this is Dragon's Den Canada. Fast forward to 25:08

Dragons Den Canada S06E09 - YouTube

perhaps this 2008 whois record on ebcon.net will help in your research

Code:

Owner Contact:

   K&K Consulting GmbH
   Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
   Regensburg, 93053, DE

   Punycode Name:  ebcon.net
   Unicode Name:   ebcon.net

   Admin Contact
      Heinz-Peter Immega
      Ebcon AG
      hpi@bluewin.ch
      Zollikerstrasse 153
      Zuerich, 8008, CH
      phone: +41.418220445

and one from 2005:

Code:

Owner Contact:
   K&K Consulting GmbH
   Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
   Regensburg, Germany, 93053, Germany

   RACE Name:        ebcon.net
   Punycode Name:    ebcon.net
   Unicode Name:     ebcon.net
   Status:           REGISTRAR-LOCK

   Admin Contact
      Stefan Kletsch (SK291-ABC)
      K&K Consulting GmbH
      info@dr-kretsch.de
      Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
      Regensburg, Germany, 93053, Germany
      phone: +49.941788930
      fax:   +49.941788935

That certainly makes it just that more interesting. EBCON are very keen to tell us that they ARE NOT the Swiss company which went into liquidation in 2007, and was finally dissolved in 2009.

But a WHOIS from 2005 is very curious. To register so early, I think the new EBCON must have had insider knowledge (or be psychic) to know that they would be able to occupy the namespace left behind by a company going bust a few years a later.

The simple explanation, that they are in fact one and the same, and are lying through their teeth, is unthinkable.

Originally Posted by NikSam

perhaps this 2008 whois record on ebcon.net will help in your research

Code:

Owner Contact:

   K&K Consulting GmbH
   Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
   Regensburg, 93053, DE

   Punycode Name:  ebcon.net
   Unicode Name:   ebcon.net

   Admin Contact
      Heinz-Peter Immega
      Ebcon AG
      hpi@bluewin.ch
      Zollikerstrasse 153
      Zuerich, 8008, CH
      phone: +41.418220445

and one from 2005:

Code:

Owner Contact:
   K&K Consulting GmbH
   Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
   Regensburg, Germany, 93053, Germany

   RACE Name:        ebcon.net
   Punycode Name:    ebcon.net
   Unicode Name:     ebcon.net
   Status:           REGISTRAR-LOCK

   Admin Contact
      Stefan Kletsch (SK291-ABC)
      K&K Consulting GmbH
      info@dr-kretsch.de
      Carl-Maria-von-Werner-Strasse 55
      Regensburg, Germany, 93053, Germany
      phone: +49.941788930
      fax:   +49.941788935

Here is a list of awards from EEIG "given" to other companies:
EUROPEAN ECONOMIC CHAMBER of Trade, Commerce and Industry - List of Award Recipient Companies

Do i see a doble ? i see too few Flex*** companies there :)

Originally Posted by NikSam

Here is a list of awards from EEIG "given" to other companies:
EUROPEAN ECONOMIC CHAMBER of Trade, Commerce and Industry - List of Award Recipient Companies

Do i see a doble ? i see too few Flex*** companies there :)

Only FlexFon GmbH, Berlin (FlexFon - Home) and FlexStrom GmbH, Berlin (Ihr günstiger Stromanbieter FlexStrom - Fragen und Antworten zur Insolvenz)

Originally Posted by Stewart

Only FlexFon GmbH, Berlin (FlexFon - Home) and FlexStrom GmbH, Berlin (Ihr günstiger Stromanbieter FlexStrom - Fragen und Antworten zur Insolvenz)

To clarify, they won the European Economic Award 2005. They both now look totally dissolved in inactive.

FlexFon GmbH, Berlin - This company has been judged as offering the best call-charges at present.
FlexStrom GmbH, Berlin - The company was awarded because of its electricity tariffs which are the best at present.

Originally Posted by Stewart

To clarify, they won the European Economic Award 2005. They both now look totally dissolved in inactive.

FlexFon GmbH, Berlin - This company has been judged as offering the best call-charges at present.
FlexStrom GmbH, Berlin - The company was awarded because of its electricity tariffs which are the best at present.

These 2 are directly related to each other:

whois on nov-2008

flexfon.de:

Code:

[Admin-C]
Type:         PERSON
Name:         Thomas Mundt
Organisation: FlexStrom Marketing AG
Address:      Einemstr. 22-24
Pcode:        10785
City:         Berlin
Country:      DE
Changed:      2008-10-29T15:45:56+01:00

flexstrom.de:

Code:

[Admin-C]
Type:         PERSON
Name:         Robert Mundt
Organisation: FlexStrom GmbH
Address:      Einemstr. 22-24
Pcode:        10785
City:         Berlin
Country:      DE
Changed:      2006-05-08T11:47:08+02:00

Brothers? any way, too many coincidences around Flex***

Originally Posted by Stewart

To clarify, they won the European Economic Award 2005.

correction: European Economic Award 2005 of EEIG (a one of self proclaimed business clubs )

Originally Posted by NikSam

correction: European Economic Award 2005 of EEIG (a one of self proclaimed business clubs )

European economic interest grouping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks like an official EU body to me, which is why they've put Stefan Kletsch on a warning list.

first of all who the hell is EBCON and EEIG ?
They not an authority of any sort, all i see is bunch of silly businessmen (majority eastern europe and middle east)
who got together and giving awards and certifications to each other :)

there is no any public or government body in either of those organizations.

Hmm, a loyalty card franchise fraud? Surely such a thing could never happen?

Introducing (from 2008) UK WebSaver! Yey!

The Franchise Business - the guide to the Uk franchise Market - UK Websaver

The full story of how franchise fraud pair were unmasked | This is Leicestershire

A little more on Bund der Sparer ....

This page contains a picture of a person claiming to be Franz J Herrmann (the name given on the cert)
Willkommen (The "information" link below his name gave me a server 500 error)

This page contains contact data:
Impressum

On that page there are 2 phone numbers, one in Neuried (very near Munich) and the other in Augsburg (about 80km from Munich)

I telephoned both of them :-)
The one in Neuried gets an automated operator saying "This number is temporarily out of order."
The one in Augsburg got me a friendly German lady who was very tolerant of my bad German. She explained that it was a wrong number, and had been since about 1 year.

That page references this site ( Bund der Sparer e.V. ) which contains no contact details at all.

The Twitter account given at the bottom is @BundderSparer No tweets since 4 July 2012. Historically the tweets seem to come in bursts, but no wait between bursts of more than a month or so. Current gap is 1 year & 2 months.

MySpace. No posts. Enough said. https://myspace.com/bund-der-sparer

Xing. Need to sign up to see posts. https://www.xing.com/net/bunddersparer
This is Franz Franz J. Herrmann - 1. Vorstand - Bund der Sparer e. V. | XING
(His given location, Weilheim, is 53km from Munich)


Can't find them on German Companies House. I guess they might be on some other kind of register, depending upon what kind of organisation they are.
They claim:
"The association is registered at Munich register VR 16066
tax-deductible under § § 51 ff AO: Finance Office, Munich 19.09.2000 St. No. 842/37386
Donations: Bank for Social Economy Account No. 88 64 00 1 BLZ 700 205 00"

Can't find any reference to this "Munich register VR 16066". Maybe a German native would know better.

Franz J. Herrmann - Vorstandsvorsitzender vom Bund der Sparer e.V.
https://plus.google.com/117861944279007793035/posts

GoMoPa: Bund der Sparer: Wer nicht zahlt, kommt auf die schwarze Liste

Originally Posted by freighttrain

GoMoPa:*Bund der Sparer: Wer nicht zahlt, kommt auf die schwarze Liste

(Google's translation)

19 February 1998 established the federal savers (BDS) eV from Weilheim in Bavaria Herrmann begun to "put unscrupulous distributors the craft." Herrmann invented the seal of approval for consultants. However: If you no longer pays, is on the black list, a public warning list: "consultant without recommendation"

However, the article also appears to be an interview with the chap - why would he consent to be interviewed if the article was going to be negative about him?

Originally Posted by Stewart

.... why would he consent to be interviewed if the article was going to be negative about him?

Germans :) who knows them.

Flexkom TT.jpg


"FlexKom International Holding was been inaugurated an Award of Excellency by the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago live during the FlexKom Country Manager Meeting in Munich Germany. Mr Anderson Goddard, National Security Officer of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago expresses his gratitude and presented the President & Founder of FlexKom International Holding, Mr Cengiz Ehliz this award on the 3rd of September 2013."


Just another FAKE award. Mr. Anderson Goddard seems to be the country manager of Trinidad & Tobacco and presented this 'award' to Ehliz just after the start of 'fase 1' in T&T.... Be not suprised when you read somewhere in a MLM magazine about this big award.

Inaugurated?
National Security Officer?
Award of Excellency?

See FB-page Flexkom International

BOARD OF DIRECTORS
FLEXCOM INTERNATIONAL
()
The Seal of
The Republic of Trinidad & Tobago

They do not have much to say, do they ? where is excellence ?



Does not that award should look something like this?
OT-TTNGO-WayneChance-Receives-Award.jpg

according to this: http://www.iie.org/What-We-Do/Global...ernandes-Award



Goddard , according to this Anderson Goddard - Trinidad and Tobago | LinkedIn is "N/A at National Security Agency" - a janitor ?

Originally Posted by NikSam

They do not have much to say, do they ? where is excellence ?


Goddard , according to this Anderson Goddard - Trinidad and Tobago | LinkedIn is "N/A at National Security Agency"

According to his facebook, he used to sell fake brand clothing, shoes and jewelery and now he's a sales rep of Flexkom:
https://www.facebook.com/anderson.goddard.1?fref=ts

Indeed, fake brand clothing - just like mr Anderson Goddard is a fake person.

This is his comment on FB at a pair of Gucci shoes: "CONGRATULATIONS TO KION WITH NO DOUBT WAS THE 1ST PERSON TO BUY THE PRADA AT TT$900 AND NEVER QUESTIONED IF ITS ORIGINAL. New price TT$2000 available in black and red size 9, 9 1/2, 7 1/2. and in still cheaper than the market"

However, most Flexkom disciples are reading these kind of blogs but still are believers....

LOL


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