Thread: FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

You're welcome. In Europe we have a couple of years more experience with Flexkom. And the Wouter Hol forum is the treasury for info on Flexkom worldwide, so I am glad to help you out with it. Google translations from Dutch to English are not too bad. I tried from Turkish to Dutch, but that is like deciphering hierogliphics.

In the Netherlands Flexkom has made some progress and is now more or less in phase 3 since the beginning of this month. I say more or less because they are very vague about it. The about 400 GTM's that are left are now getting trained and after that should be free to go out and try to seduce the shopkeepers. A group of about a 100 GTM's is already doing that. Until now 2 shops have been hooked, but FK is very secretive about it. And these shops are owned by FK agents themselves. FK is very quiet about it all and the lack of success stories is telling.
Still I am surprised that they actually took the risk of going into phase 3, and thereby taking the risk to fail. Once the GTM's are turned loose on the shopkeepers, they will find there is no interest and will return home with a bloody nose. And even if they manage to sign in a shopkeeper, after all it is initially free for them, the shopkeeper will soon find out that the discounts costs him too much. They will either diminish the discounts to next to nothing (2 or 3 %) or will give discounts outside the FK system, so they can evade paying the FK share. Also ofcourse they will discover pretty quickly that the FK system does not result in more customers coming to their shop, and will lose any remaining enthusiasm. That is a likely scenario I think.

One thing puzzles me. In the U.S. you have so much more experience with MLM then we do. How come that Flexkom is able to fool still so many people? Is it the lure of the American Dream? In Europe some countries have a natural resistance against the Flexkom disease: Germany for instance, because Tjengiz is too widely known as a scammer there. In Germany FK is practically non-existent. And in some Balkan countries, like Bulgaria and Albania. In Albania they had a small civil war over a pyramid scheme in the nineties. The whole country was scammed and almost went bankrupt over it. Now it is impossible to market any MLM stuff there, they are totally allergic to it.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

How come that Flexkom is able to fool still so many people?

Ah, but is it ??

All we have is the word of FlexKom, which is notorious for the lies and exaggerations it uses and a handful of serial pyramid promoters to whom lying is a way of life that the numbers of "fooled people" exist.

It should be remembered, I think, that there is a subclass of serial pyramid players and promoters who will jump on board the "next big thing" regardless of how legal or viable it may be, which inflates the numbers and makes the opportunity more attractive to potential victims err, new members.

IM(very)HO, when it comes to ponzi / pyramid schemes, trying to separate fact from fiction is a pointless exercise and the only sensible way to approach any get-rich-quick scheme is to assume it's ALL lies.

All so true LRM especially the "sub-class" reference. I wonder what the percentage breakdown is in each class?

My analogy goes something like:

Meth lab owner = MLM/Ponzi founders
Meth dealers who know not to use but make money off drugs = MLM serial pimpers like Ian Driscoll et.al
Meth junkies who are in denial and hooked = People in various MLMs always believing in the next big thing
Meth first time users looking to have some fun not realizing the harm & paying street value = MLM victim

It's a scuzzy, unethical, criminally infested, lying bunch of con men and women in the MLM world.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

Until now 2 shops have been hooked, but FK is very secretive about it. And these shops are owned by FK agents themselves. FK is very quiet about it all and the lack of success stories is telling.

This is another one of those "most bothersome" themes the emerge repeatedly with Flexkom . If the true goal was to drive sales for business and build a massive network of stores and users there would be NO secrecy. If one were to ask their neighbors about Groupon most would have heard of it, and maybe tried it. Ask the same question of a business owner and you would get the same, and possibly a response of "they want me to discount too much" or "it does not drive the right sort of customers".

Unless your neighbors are "internet marketers" or "scam busters" Flexkom I am betting will deliver a blank stare. Four years into a model that needs buzz to work, or no buzz to continue recruiting suckers.

Originally Posted by Scamtracker-Jaap

Is it the lure of the American Dream?

There are four staples that sell year after year. Love Stories, Self Help, Weight Loss, and Get Rich Quick.

The girlfriend brought home cake from work, and some strawberries from the grocery. I wanted to hear nothing of the berries, but could not wait to get that cake in my belly. Get Rich Quick is a similar easy sell, just like telling folks like me they can eat whatever they want and still lose weight. Promise a room full of people an untapped method or market to make money, and then give them access to easy credit. Rinse and repeat as they say.

When you compare that to the reality for 99% of us of working extra hours, slowly and sensibly investing our money, doing without many things we want but don't need. Well that is downright depressing, $2000 you say and I can have it all now..

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