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    Quote Originally Posted by pachita View Post
    Hello, I'm Italian and I wanted to have news of new Flexkom. Does anyone know if it is a scam or is it an opportunity?? Thanks to those who want to respond

    In here you will find all the negative. So to find out the real story you have to look in other places:

    1. The idea. The idea is brilliant! Creating one system for all small businesses on the planet. But with a twist. Pay the businesses when customers shop elsewhere to allow the businesses to share profits and reach with each other.

    2. The technology. Do they have it? Go to itunes app store and search for the FlexKom App you can download it now. Watch the video of the terminal I shot in New port Beach CA it shows the terminal doing some actual transactions. To create an app and to get it accepted on Itunes is costly and you have to go through a strict process. This means FlexKom spent a great deal of money on it's creation. Why would they go through the trouble? They could just say we will have it soon. App Dev 101: How Can You Guarantee Your App Will Be Accepted Into the App Store? - YouTube

    3. The 4 locations that FlexKom has offices. Why not send someone who is in the area to an office to meet the people who work for FlexKom? I was in Vegas and toured the offices there. Huge space not cheap. Scams don't want to spend money on offices they usually have fake adresses or short term office leasing. To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.

    4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON
    and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie

    5. It wont be long now that FlexKom will go into 3rd phase in more countries and all stores will be active in many areas. If you have doubt then wait until then. But check and see how many licenses are available where you live because when they have the amount of sales reps they need they will stop selling the license. Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.

    Good luck!

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    Mark Stokes seems to have gone cold on FlexKom (after pimping it pretty hard) & moved onto scams anew.

    So one can only assume even the top pimps see no future in FlexKom.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Flexkom asks retailers to buy a license. There are only so many of these licenses available within a set perimeter. The retailer pays heavily for a terminal, POS and Flexkom cards that the retailer can give out (or charge for) so that those same customers can spend in other shops within the same perimeter in order to obtain a discount.
    The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.
    For instance. In this 'perimeter' there maybe a baker, a hairdresser and a butcher who all belong to Flexkom.
    They all give out cards to there customers, who in turn visit the baker/hairdresser/butcher for a discount.

    So the retailers are joining Flexkom in order to give each other a discount for purchases the customer would already make.
    Local people will always shop locally and spend a percentage locally.
    The ATV on these purchases will be low.

    The retailers concerned would all be independent traders on very low margins. (Major store chains won't touch Flexkom. There profit margins are low enough already).
    And when the retailers run out of cards, they have to purchase more.

    Flexkom then take a percentage of the profits in a really complicated mathmatical equation. ( I'll post that later)

    They are playing on Retailers fears that the Internet will put them out of business. It features heavily in there advertising. But giving all your hard earned profits away to Flexkom in the hope that someone will buy a loaf of bread from the bakers and give you a mere fraction back of what you have already spent is surely not the most sensible way to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.

    I'll take that chance.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post

    4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON
    and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie
    I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

    EBCON1.JPG

    And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

    EBCON.JPG

    And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

    EBCON1.JPG

    And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

    EBCON.JPG

    And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes

    Baker Mckenzie.jpg

    Enron, Arthur Anderson, Bernie Madoff and the most vile criminals in the world can find an attorney.

    ...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    ...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.
    Both are fake. They belong to Stehpan Kletsch, a close friend of the Flexkom management. They are fake companies or associations, purely found to so call award malicious companies. Look up mr. Kletsch of EBCON on Google and you'll know enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    ...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.
    Freighttrain is right best I can see, these are page 1 and 2 GOOGLE search results:

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    And this from the Flexcom Facebook Page, the well RENOUNCED firm. Proper word selection = NOT IMPORTANT IN MLM press releases

    Attorney.JPG

    And here are the prestigious certificates they have purchased. Sort of like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval except meaningless.


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    Notably absent from the bona fides is the "Ribshaw you can be sheriff for a day star"!!! That alone gives most people pause.

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    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    These are two interesting blog posts related to the google search on Stehpan Kletsch. I had not heard of Lyoness until a few minutes ago, but it appears Flexcom is very similar. According to the second blog, Asker Sakinmaz is known to be one of the directors of Lyoness and may be a founder of Flexcom.



    FlexKom: the new Lyoness?

    As more and more of our readers understand and accept that Lyoness is a pernicious lie, designed to scam millions of consumers and small and medium sized enterprises out of billions of euros, we are asked with an increased frequency what we think of other 'companies', operating similar 'business models'.

    From the very start of the Complaint Centre, we have decided that our focus lays primarily on Lyoness. Whilst acknowledging that there is a long list of similar frauds operated at this time (usually with a differing disguise), we also acknowledge that others, with more experience and more knowledge on the subject, are better suited to provide a comprehensive overview of this type of scam. Therefore, for a full overview of the phenomenon of income opportunity racketeering, we would like to refer our readers to the excellent Blog of Mr David Brear.

    However, every now and then a scam pops up and catches our attention, because it is just so darn similar to Lyoness. FlexKom is such a scam.

    We have reported earlier that we expect the racketeers behind Lyoness to come up with a new front for their never-ending scam, much in the way like they have dealt with the problems faced earlier by GTS and Galvagin, which eventually produced Lyoness. From that perspective, we are inclined to investigate and report about scams that operate in a freakishly similar manner as Lyoness, with a near-identical disguise to cover up the fraud.

    More and more readers have recently brought FlexKom to our attention, and have directed us to on-going debates on various internet fora (2, 3, etc), as well as social media, about FlexKom. For the readers who are unfamiliar with this name, we will provide a brief introduction of the 'company' below.

    FlexKom is a 'company' founded, allegedly, in 2010, by either Cengiz Ehliz and/or Asker Sakinmaz, which are both presented as current CEO of the 'company', most probably because they are supposed to represent different divisions of the 'company'. It claims to be some sort of a franchise provider, supplying its partners (which pay about 1500 euros for a 'gold package') with the right to enrol shops into the network, sell them the special FlexKom machines (for about 400 euros), which functions as a reader for the FlexKom cards. The enrolled shops then have the right to issue FlexKom cards to their customers, with the promise that the cardholders will get discounts on their purchases at FlexKom-affiliated shops, and the shops are promised a percentage in commission over the purchases made by the cardholders at every FlexKom-affiliated company. Naturally, the earnings exponentially increase as soon as new partners and shops are brought in.

    FlexKom, founded by people with a seemingly Turkish background, chose Turkey as its 'test-market', to see whether the system would function the way it was expected to. According to FlexKom, it did (which is why a long list of countries have now been 'opened' by FlexKom; i.e. FlexKom partners can now be signed up there). According to the Turkish partners, media and authorities, it did not.

    We found it quite interesting to see that so much vagueness exists about this 'company', which self-reports to be an extremely reliable business partner. For instance, we have seen claims that this 'company' operated an MLM-system, as well as fanatical debates where FlexKom denies to have anything to do with MLM. The company appears to be Turkish, but is most often claimed to be from Germany - yet is registered in Switzerland. Also, many of the national divisions, presented as if they were incorporated and registered at the local chambers of commerce, are not findable in the company registers of these local chambers of commerce.

    Both Cengiz Ehliz and Asker Sakinmaz are not officially attached to the Swiss corporation registered under the name 'FlexKom International Holding AG'. Instead, the two names currently attached to this holding (as managers and founders) are Hasan Süslu and Guido Gmür. About Süslu, nothing much is publicly available. About Gmür, however, one can find a little bit more. According to Moneyhouse, Gmür has worked for about 13 companies, amongst which is First Tax AG, registered on the same address as the FlexKom headquarters. Observant readers may remember that this is the company of which Lyoness co-founder and tax and bankruptcy expert Iwan J. Ackermann is the co-founder and CEO.

    As we have argued earlier, the people behind Lyoness have previously been responsible for organising GTS (Erin Trade) and Galvagin - at least - and apparently managed to get away with running those scams by setting up shell corporations in various countries and moving assets around until they were no longer traceable for anyone looking for them. As it seems, this is the way they have managed to found Lyoness without anyone frowning upon the intentions of the Lyoness founders.

    We understand that we should be cautious in what we write here, as the exact details and sequence of events are difficult to mimic, mainly due to the lack of information publicly available. However, it does look an awful lot like the same people that managed to transfer Galvagin into Lyoness, and continue their scam under a different name, are now in the process of doing the same for FlexKom. It definitely looks like FlexKom being the long-awaited successor of Lyoness, through which the people behind Lyoness can continue to the scam the world. If not, FlexKom is an extremely similar copy (again, there is 'cash back', the higher ranked adherents become first 'leaders' and then member of the 'President's Team', etc.) of the Lyoness racket and the people interested in running the FlexKom scam at least appear to have hired the same people to cover up their fraud.

    Complaint Centre Lyoness: FlexKom: the new Lyoness?

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    FLEXKOM, a multilevel marketing company is now in Kenya. But is this a scam or is it a legit business? If you have been involved in selling GNLD products or other MLM related products, then you’ll know perfectly well how FLEXKOM works

    The Egyptian pyramids have always had something mystical about them. People have had difficulties explaining how exactly they were built, yet they persisted longer than most buildings in the world and most of them are in fact still there. . This new MLM opportunity- FLEXKOM, will provide you with a similar pyramid mystery. Unlike the Pyramids in Egypt, FlexiKom has SCAM written all over it!

    I read an article somewhere in a local blog which had this very attractive opening paragraph:

    FLEXKOM IS THE NEXT BIG THING: a world wide mega mall which is allying retail shops with online commerce to make a heady brew. Flexkom is using all the latest technologies to create a unique shopping experience. Launching in 50 countries soon, this company is going to take the world by storm

    Before you think about joining this FLEXKOM thing, carry out some research on your own. Find out where else (which other countries) they are doing their business in.
    ceklerimiz 389x520 FlexKom now in Kenya! Scam or Legitimate??

    Some folks pausing for a photo with big FLEXKOM chaques. Apparently, these cheques were not paid!

    FlexKom is a ‘company’ founded, allegedly, in 2010, by either Cengiz Ehliz and/or Asker Sakinmaz, which are both presented as current CEO of the ‘company’, most probably because they are supposed to represent different divisions of the ‘company’. It claims to be some sort of a franchise provider, supplying its partners (which pay about 1500 Euros- about 175,000 Ksh for a ‘gold package’) with the right to enroll shops into the network, sell them the special FlexKom machines (for about 400 euros- 47,000 Ksh), which functions as a reader for the FlexKom cards.

    The enrolled shops then have the right to issue FlexKom cards to their customers, with the promise that the cardholders will get discounts on their purchases at FlexKom-affiliated shops, and the shops are promised a percentage in commission over the purchases made by the cardholders at every FlexKom-affiliated company. Naturally, the earnings exponentially increase as soon as new partners and shops are brought in.

    Asker Sakinmaz is known to be one of the directors of Lyoness- a pyramid scheme that collapsed and went down the drain making numerous people loose their hard earned cash

    In Turkey, FLEXKOM is currently dealing with some fraud cases. Poeple lost money. Some even sold their valuables so that they can enroll in the ’gold package’. One person said that he sold his car so that he can get his wife the GOLD package- 15,000 USD- Thats about 1.3M Shs.

    FlexKom have apparently been accredited by EBCON (EBCON Europäische Verbraucherberatung ::: Unabhängig Objektiv Kompetent), not to be confused with EBCON (Home - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club) Their president Stefan Kletsch awarded them on stage.
    But who are EBCON? According to alexa.com they get almost zero web traffic, despite apparently being a pan-European consumer advocacy body .

    The EBCON certification indeed seems valueless, much like the certificates Lyoness is holding (although those were at least issued by somewhat ‘impressive’ agencies. We have also received an anonymous tip stating that FlexKom claims to hold a certificate of the European Consumer Centre, but the ECC does not issue any type of certification and has never looked at FlexKom.

    FlexKom now in Kenya! Scam or Legitimate??
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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    In here you will find all the negative. So to find out the real story you have to look in other places:
    Let me guess. For some good, reliable information one has to visit one of the Flexkom meetings?

    1. The idea. The idea is brilliant! Creating one system for all small businesses on the planet. But with a twist. Pay the businesses when customers shop elsewhere to allow the businesses to share profits and reach with each other.
    Calling your own ideal brilliant is a bit awkward, but that's my opinion. But, you do realize that this sharing of profits really means that a shop owner has to pay another shop owner if he serves a customer of this other shop? On top of that, the businesses have to fund an entire piramid of people in the so called upline. Why would the small and mid-size business want to pay millions and millions of dollars each month of residual income to people who have done little more than signing them up with this system?
    2. The technology. Do they have it? Go to itunes app store and search for the FlexKom App you can download it now. Watch the video of the terminal I shot in New port Beach CA it shows the terminal doing some actual transactions. To create an app and to get it accepted on Itunes is costly and you have to go through a strict process. This means FlexKom spent a great deal of money on it's creation. Why would they go through the trouble? They could just say we will have it soon. App Dev 101: How Can You Guarantee Your App Will Be Accepted Into the App Store? - YouTube
    Remind you that among the most populair apps are the apps that make fart sounds. Really funny, but not expensive to make. Also, it took months afther the initial release to get the main function of the Flexkom App working. What this function is? VOIP. Revolutionary. Now you can make calls with your smartphone! (sarcasm mode). But really, have you tried to pay with the app in Turkye shops yet? Oh wait.. The app is not available in Turkye..
    3. The 4 locations that FlexKom has offices. Why not send someone who is in the area to an office to meet the people who work for FlexKom? I was in Vegas and toured the offices there. Huge space not cheap. Scams don't want to spend money on offices they usually have fake adresses or short term office leasing. To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.
    Its funny that you mention Vegas. Gambling is legal in Vegas. Most contries define piramid schemes as (mostly illegal) gambling. Also, scams make millions of dollars. With that money, one can easly rent a piece of office somewhere. Stating that Flexkom is not a scam BECAUSE of the offices they rent, is a bit silly if you ask me.

    4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON
    and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie
    EBCON is fake as you can see. Also, the most crooked villains have the most expensive lawyers. A serial murderer gets lots of attention in the media. So, to be the lawyer of a serial killer gets you some nice attention, too. Not that Flexkom is killing people, but I think you know what I mean.
    5. But check and see how many licenses are available where you live because when they have the amount of sales reps they need they will stop selling the license. Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.!
    Classic scam method. Get in now, pay now or you'll be too late!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate
    To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.
    Umm,

    somehow I don't think a scammer who has just ripped off a few million dollars is going to be worried about breaking a lease agreement, do you ???

    Nice try, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

    EBCON1.JPG

    And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

    EBCON.JPG

    And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes

    Baker Mckenzie.jpg

    Enron, Arthur Anderson, Bernie Madoff and the most vile criminals in the world can find an attorney.
    Does this blogger "ribhsaw" have any idea of how the FlexKom system works? So the readers can know he is qualified to give them advice on the company? Or is he just a guy who goes out to find anything negative he can find to cast doubt on a company? That is pretty easy to do it doesn't take much, just enter "COMPANY" And "LAWSUIT" into google search take the link and post here. Nothing to it. Instead it would be interesting if he looked at the model and had comments on the technology pay structure or even system. Challenge the actual business model. But as many of the negative posters here on these boards do, they just do what any idiot can do....search, cut and paste. I do hope people see through that ridiculous waste of energy and time.

    Why not respond to this. If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that? If they wanted to reward their best customers for spending money at their place frequently what system is in place that can do that? If that store wanted to reach only women ages 35-45 with a video to their smart phone what system is in place that can do that? And then that same system would track their customers so they would earn income from customers shopping in other places. What system on this planet is able to do that? Lets see what "ribshaw" has to say.... What system is out there that the small stores can use to keep up with the bigger chain stores in loyalty system cash back etc. Nothing I have seen. Have you the reader seen anything that you like yet? Please tell me I would like to know. Do you still get those cards that you have to bring back to get a stamp on it or have them clip it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that? If they wanted to reward their best customers for spending money at their place frequently what system is in place that can do that? If that store wanted to reach only women ages 35-45 with a video to their smart phone what system is in place that can do that? And then that same system would track their customers so they would earn income from customers shopping in other places. What system on this planet is able to do that? ...

    It is called facebook, Einstein,


    And you would not need a freaking MLM-Scam attached on top of it, if you just needed those features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    Let me guess. For some good, reliable information one has to visit one of the Flexkom meetings?
    Here is another blogger "freighttrain". What a piece or work we have here. Yes absolutely it's a good idea for a person who wants to get information to go to a FlexKom meeting and ask the tough questions. Where else would be a good place? If I wanted to buy a BMW should I go to Jaguar to ask them how the BMW's are? Now what "freighttrain" does do is he goes to the public bathroom and reads the walls for his information and then starts posting and saying look what I can do I can search on google. But I am to lazy to analyze the business model or attend a meeting. BUT I am the expert still because I am so smart I don't have to know jack about the system or company I got MY information from the stall I just pissed in.

    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    Calling your own ideal brilliant is a bit awkward, but that's my opinion. But, you do realize that this sharing of profits really means that a shop owner has to pay another shop owner if he serves a customer of this other shop? On top of that, the businesses have to fund an entire piramid of people in the so called upline. Why would the small and mid-size business want to pay millions and millions of dollars each month of residual income to people who have done little more than signing them up with this system?
    Finally a logical question was asked. Why would the business want to pay for the service? Why would a business pay Groupon? (groupon usually doesn't make the business any money) The business will be sending out marketing to customers and creating it's own discounts and offers. They decide how much to offer and when. So for instance if a restaurant has a slow night and they could use more customers that night they may want to send out an offer that attracts the customers to his place. Is it a new idea that marketing costs money? Does it matter where the money goes? Or does it matter how much they spend and then how much they make? So the blogger "freighttrain is trying to take you attention to who gets paid. Thats like saying why would a businesses want to spend millions on flyers and postage to companies that are making money printing and sending flyers? Because they work would be a good answer. But in todays world flyers do not work anymore. what works is apps and smart phone marketing. So the answer is because it works. The other small detail the blogger "freighttrain" doesn't want to you to think about is we include the business in the pay plan when they sign up their customers to the system we pay them too. So now the businesses are making money as well. is "freighttrain" going to suggest that the business has an issue with making money from when their customers shop elsewhere? What FlexKom does is takes the expense of marketing and turns it into an income. So no money is paid until they get the money from the customer. The customer you are asking why would they pay FlexKom. That customer wouldn't be in their store unless they got the marketing message from the system itself. So the bottom line here is "freighttrain" simply doesn't get it, this blogger knows very little about the subject he tries to advice you on. Just the idea that "freighttrain" thinks FlexKom was my idea is sad. On top of that his mind is backwards, instead of looking at what is in it for him he looks first at what others are making and then he says I will not have anyone make money off me that will not happen. "freighttrain" is just a cho cho train I am afraid.

    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain View Post
    Remind you that among the most populair apps are the apps that make fart sounds. Really funny, but not expensive to make. Also, it took months afther the initial release to get the main function of the Flexkom App working. What this function is? VOIP. Revolutionary. Now you can make calls with your smartphone! (sarcasm mode). But really, have you tried to pay with the app in Turkye shops yet? Oh wait.. The app is not available in Turkye..
    Its funny that you mention Vegas. Gambling is legal in Vegas. Most contries define piramid schemes as (mostly illegal) gambling. Also, scams make millions of dollars. With that money, one can easly rent a piece of office somewhere. Stating that Flexkom is not a scam BECAUSE of the offices they rent, is a bit silly if you ask me.
    Bla bla bla again a clear sign of this blogger "freighttrain" not making any sense. What does gambling and office space have to do with each other? The offices in Las Vegas NV are 10,000 SQ feet. Here in the USA your commercial leases are usually 3-5 years long. The rate is around $1.50 per square foot in henderson $15,000 a month times 3 years = 1/2 million dollar commitment at least. The point you would need understand here is you can verify the address you can phone the building and find out how they do their leases and then you can see that maybe if a company is planning on being around and doing real business maybe they would go for a big space just like the one in NV and invest a little more for the future growth of FlexKom. SCAM's have a tendency to not want to waste money on rent. And there we are again responding to this garbage is not my favorite use of time but it's sometimes necessary since bloggers like "freighttrain" take their useless efforts so seriously I guess it's just what we have to do.


    EBCON is fake as you can see. Also, the most crooked villains have the most expensive lawyers. A serial murderer gets lots of attention in the media. So, to be the lawyer of a serial killer gets you some nice attention, too. Not that Flexkom is killing people, but I think you know what I mean.

    "freighttrain" again just bathroom wall stuff. Call them and ask them if they are fake Organisation-Strategy - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club



    Classic scam method. Get in now, pay now or you'll be too late![/QUOTE]

    Classic scam blogger lazy and low IQ. Don't fall for this useless stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    Flexkom asks retailers to buy a license.
    no they dont

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    There are only so many of these licenses available within a set perimeter.
    So this blogger still doesn't understand how it works,

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    The retailer pays heavily for a terminal, POS and Flexkom cards
    in USA it's $500 for terminal apps are free.

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    that the retailer can give out (or charge for) so that those same customers can spend in other shops within the same perimeter in order to obtain a discount.
    True! But what does the perimeter mean?
    The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.
    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    For instance. In this 'perimeter' there maybe a baker, a hairdresser and a butcher who all belong to Flexkom.
    They all give out cards to there customers, who in turn visit the baker/hairdresser/butcher for a discount.
    Missing a BIG point here. Not only each others customers. Not all businesses will be part of FlexKom but huge amount of customers will so there will be a inflow of new customers the business has not seen before. we don't live in a box.

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    So the retailers are joining Flexkom in order to give each other a discount for purchases the customer would already make.
    Local people will always shop locally and spend a percentage locally.
    The ATV on these purchases will be low.
    This is just stupid! Then non of these business would need to do any marketing or sales. This blogger is just stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    The retailers concerned would all be independent traders on very low margins. (Major store chains won't touch Flexkom. There profit margins are low enough already).
    And when the retailers run out of cards, they have to purchase more.
    If they run out of cards it would then be apperant they are making good money from the cards the y gave out and they would be eager to buy more.
    FlexKOm does not want to large stores they are focused on the small retailers.

    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    Flexkom then take a percentage of the profits in a really complicated mathematical equation. ( I'll post that later)
    LOL complicated for this blogger exactly. And that pretty much hits the nail on the head. It is simply to complicated for this blogger to understand.

    [QUOTE=HARRISON;60768 They are playing on Retailers fears that the Internet will put them out of business. It features heavily in there advertising. But giving all your hard earned profits away to Flexkom in the hope that someone will buy a loaf of bread from the bakers and give you a mere fraction back of what you have already spent is surely not the most sensible way to do this.[/QUOTE]

    So now FlexKom will be also scamming the retailers as this blogger is concerned that FlexKOm is playing on the retailers fears and not trying to scam the franchise buyers. So which is it. Are they trying to scam the people buying the license or are they trying to scam the retailers? So seems like this blogger simply doesn't believe the model more than thinking it's a scam. And that is fair enough time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    It is called facebook, Einstein,


    And you would not need a freaking MLM-Scam attached on top of it, if you just needed those features.
    This blogger "Niksam" thinks Facebook is an effective way to bring customers to a business.

    Ok so ask yourself how many stores you are following on Facebook.

    How many restaurants are you following on Facebook?

    How many times did you go to a small business after seeing it on Facebook?

    How many local deals did you go to get from Facebook.

    This shows you how little "Niksam" ACTUALLY know about effective marketing. How many times have you said PLEASE let me follow you on Facebok local restaurant pleeeeaaase!

    How many times have you been asked when going to dinner at your neighborhood restaurant if you can follow them on Facebook? 1, 2 or 3 And how eager are you to follow them? How about 0%

    So maybe "Niksam" can find something that provides "those features" and post it here at some point.

    Here is a list incase you need to cross refrence

    1. System that can reach customers on their smart phones text messaging through an app
    2. Terminal that can read RFID, NFC, QR CODE, FINGER PRINT AND BAR CODE. That generates a QR code. Touch screen
    3. A terminal that can offer the customer a time sensitive reward at the point of sale based on knowing the customer needs at that particular time based on historical data
    4. A system that over time tracks the points a customer gets and rewards the customer with a prize The reward credited to the store that sign them up. A loyalty system that works all over the world so that the points can be rewarded for everything they do anywhere. Not just one yougurt shop or coffee shop but small stores all over the world.
    5. A system that allows a small business to create a free e commerce website where they can participate in e-commrce to their own clients internationally
    6. A way for the business to earn from their customers when they shop in other stores
    7. A way for the small business to earn money when their customers shop online
    8. Away to reach customres who are in the area through geo targeting who express they are looking for what they are selling
    9. And all those features for a 1 time fee of $500.

    Go ahead Mr. "Niksam.....waiting....waiting.....waiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by justnonsenseno logic
    If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that?
    I don't know about where you are, but, here we call that "spam" and very few people receive it intentionally or willingly.

    YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    I don't know about where you are, but, here we call that "spam" and very few people receive it intentionally or willingly.

    YMMV
    Its by request so we don't call it spam we call it service and the customer is receiving it only from the places it wants by request. The original store who signed them gets to communicate with them directly in return they have the loyalty prices LED TV, Dream Vacation, Car and more fair trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe View Post
    I'll take that chance.
    Most likely you aren't what FlexKom is looking for so don't worry you aren't missing out. FlexKom is clear that they are only looking for strong business to business sales people. I doubt you are that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    Its by request so we don't call it spam we call it service and the customer is receiving it only from the places it wants by request. The original store who signed them gets to communicate with them directly in return they have the loyalty prices LED TV, Dream Vacation, Car and more fair trade.
    Gee, you Americans are a funny lot.

    Signing up to be spammed,

    what next ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    no they dont

    So this blogger still doesn't understand how it works,


    in USA it's $500 for terminal apps are free.

    True! But what does the perimeter mean?
    The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.


    Missing a BIG point here. Not only each others customers. Not all businesses will be part of FlexKom but huge amount of customers will so there will be a inflow of new customers the business has not seen before. we don't live in a box.



    This is just stupid! Then non of these business would need to do any marketing or sales. This blogger is just stupid.


    If they run out of cards it would then be apperant they are making good money from the cards the y gave out and they would be eager to buy more.
    FlexKOm does not want to large stores they are focused on the small retailers.

    LOL complicated for this blogger exactly. And that pretty much hits the nail on the head. It is simply to complicated for this blogger to understand.



    So now FlexKom will be also scamming the retailers as this blogger is concerned that FlexKOm is playing on the retailers fears and not trying to scam the franchise buyers. So which is it. Are they trying to scam the people buying the license or are they trying to scam the retailers? So seems like this blogger simply doesn't believe the model more than thinking it's a scam. And that is fair enough time will tell.
    Really not impressed with you calling me 'stupid' JUSTLOGICNOHATE. Not a smart move.
    For your information, MY information came from this email alongside lots of lovely brochures that I had put to one side. They are now at the top of my 'to do' list.


    Good evening ****
    Its ok, i'm not in the business of selling. It would just have been easier/quicker for me to tell you over the phone.

    To answer your questions: (I have attached three pdfs which will answer all your questions)

    Flexkom is a multi phase, multi concept business. E.N.D.F MODEL - E. Commerce. Franchise, Networking, Direct Sales. We are currently at the Networking phase. Let me explain..


    1. Retail Licences are not for sale yet. We are currently building the Network in preparation for retail launch. (Networking)

    Currently we are only offering Global Franchise Licences which cost €1269 until 1st May. These allow the holder to build a sub network and this system helps build the network quickly. This process helped Flexkom gain 30,000 partners & three million customers in under two years. Several thousand have been bought in the UK so far.

    After launch a Global Franchise Licence holder can offer terminals to retailers at a cost to the retailer of €350 (Direct Sales)

    Once the network is build there will be no further opportunity to increase the size of your network.

    I have attached a pdf which will help explain it better.

    2. Individual stops will need individual terminals. Shops will become Franchise Partners (Franchising) Terminals will replace a retailers need for leafleting/newspaper adverts etc. Retailers will be able to communicate with customers instantly through the terminal via GPS. This is a huge benefit for retailers.

    3. Retailers will get cards which can be branded to your store. They will cost approx £1.80 but will have £2 on them in "Flexmoney" Experience in Turkey showed that if retailers pay for each card they had a higher usage rate. You could charge customers £1/£2 for them if you chose to. Once you register a customer they can not register with someone else which is very important.

    4. A customer can use flex money and sterling to buy something yes. 1 x Flex money will be equal to £1.

    Retailers can decide on their own "discount" based on the products or even day of the week. Retailers will give the card holder an amount of Flexkom money on their card/ap at point of sale. eg: If you give £2 to the card holder you are in effect giving £4 as a further £2 will go to the card issuer/global Franchisee/Regional Co-Ordinator/Flexkom.

    The more cards/apps a retailer can get in circulation the more he she can make. The card holder will be eating in restaurants, shopping online etc and making the card issuer and income 24/7 (E-commerce)

    NEXT STEP

    The next step for you would be, in my opinion, to buy a full franchise licence and take advantage of this side of the business while you can. This will cost €1269 but means that when you do install terminals you will earn more from the cards. The retailers share plus the Global Franchisees share. Further income streams for your own premises.

    Experience in Turkey has also shown that retailers are very good at introducing other retailers and you could easily introduce six retailers and earn from them too! To register I would need your name, address, dob, email & postcode.

    I am on the phone as I said and will be happy to answer any further questions. I am personally helping over two hundred Franchisees at the moment so if I do miss your call I will call you back.


    Kind regards,

    Brian.

    Brian McGinty
    brian@flexkom.com
    07511 650 427


    Is Brians information FALSE then NOHATEJUSTLOGIC?

    As for the 'mathmatical equasion', I am not to stupid to understand it NOHATEJUSTLOGIC. But I defy anybody not to be confused by this disection of funds:

    Out of £1:
    40p goes to CARS/CHARITY/PROFIT.
    60p left to 'customers'.
    Of this 60p:
    20% (12p) Global Shops
    20% (12p) Shop open.
    5% (3p) City co-ordinator
    4% (2.4p) Team co-ordinator
    30% (18p) Disiff bonus
    15% (9p) Leaders Bonus
    6% (3.6p) World Pool

    As you seem to be so knowledgeable NOHATEJUSTLOGIC, perhaps you could enlighten us as to what all these breakdowns mean?

    And I would be interested to know at what tier you have joined at?
    E-biz Kit @ 149 EUROS?
    Junior Team @399 EUROS member?
    Business Team member @799 EUROS?
    or have you gone for the super deluxe GLOBAL TEAM MEMBER @ 1490 EUROS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justnonsensenologic
    The Fettullah islamic organization is behind the Zaman Daily and they wanted 50% of FlexKom in return for 40 million customers which was turned down
    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw
    Please substantiate this assertion, seems more of an MLM wive's tale passed from person to person. Surely there is a paper trail you can provide. Next you are going to tell us Harvard teaches MLM.
    Hmmnn,

    looks like he can't provide a source for his information other than "FlexKom told me" ribshaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    It's basically an attempt to clone Lyoness and AiYellow mixed into one.

    Retailers won't see it as a scam, but it won't be very profitable for them either. The discounts they give aren't there until customers walk through their doors, but if there's enough of them it may ruin them instead of helping them. Sorta related to the various horror stories about how Groupon killed a couple small businesses when those extra orders they brought in (offered at a loss) killed the company's cashflow. It sure generated a lot of buzz, but that rush ain't always worth it. Only super-high-margin businesses can afford to do Groupon (spas, resorts, etc.)

    Which is the same issue you said, basically. Small margin neighborhood stores won't touch this, and big chain stores won't bother with this. Some "medium" size stores can be tricked into joining, but the only one making any money off this would be the sales reps and FlexKom themselves.


    So what you are saying is that no matter what the volume is of sales the profit stays the same? So if I sell 100 shirts in a month and mark it up 100% I make the same as if I sell 500 shirts at 100% mark up? What if I sell 500 shirts at 75% mark up and give away 25% instead of 100 shirts at 100% mark up? should I not not offer the 25% back to sell more shirts?

    So Groupon was mentioned earlier this is exactly what I am talking about. Groupon is just a website with a lot of visitors. Groupon demands that the small business gives 50% discount. It doesn't end there. They then take their share which is 50% of the rest. So the business gives up 75% of the price and is left with 1/4 to pay for costs. Groupon got a 6 billion dollar buy out offer in 2010. Groupon is a loss leader. Enough businesses where willing to give away 75% to make groupon a multimillion dollar company and you are trying to say small businesses arent loooking for a way to reach more people. You're joking right?

    With FlexKom the business can run any kind of promotion it wants 1% cash back what ever they want. Of course the sweeter the deal the more action they get. But lets not forget the back end income from the customers they sign in.

    If a restaurant gets 30 customers an hour and has 8 hour a day open they have 240 customers a day 7200 a month. lets ay they sign one third in 2 months to flexkom 2400 total.

    lets say those customers save an average of 10 flexmoney. FlexKom will pay the restaurant $2880 a month. Maybe that will make them excited about the system. So now the restaurant makes enough to cover rent and now they think if we keep giving back the other will also and we will keep making money from our customers shopping elsewhere. And now you have taken thousands of retailers and unified them and made them work together and get stronger not weaker. The money keeps going back to the businesses unlike groupon who sucks the cash out.

    So let me give you some basic business understanding. A restaurant may not have all tables full Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. So those 3 days our Flexkobi sends out a message that he is giving 1 flex money on every pint of beer ordered for instance. That results in extra 20 guests per day for him. So he gives some Flexmoney to get some more customers. What is new? There are always specials and sales going on anyway.

    I always see half off sales and happy hour deals at restaurants all kinds of promotions. But the small restaurant or stores has an issue and that is how to get the message out to more people. That is what the Flexom system does. REACHES more people and it is free for the transmission. Even if he wanted to offer 0.10 back he can use the system. When a restaurant owner has 10 empty tables it is a cost to him so why not put 10 Flexkom guests at the tables for the sea bass special which he sent a message about earlier in the day. Buy the sea bass special tonight and get $5 flex money back. 2538 people got the message and 15 love sea bass they bring a guest and there is your profit!

    I have a tooth ache. I go on my app and let it know I need a dentist. I have 900 points as a result of my shopping at flexkom stores and when I hit 1000 points I will get a Flat screen TV that I really want for my Bedroom. I see there is a dentist offering 100 FlexMoney to first time visitors. I make an appointment with that dentist and go because I want my free flat screen TV. The dentist would have never seen my business if he didn't have the FlexKom system. I am super happy because I got a TV and my tooth fixed. Now I also have 100 Flexmoney to spend so I call my wife and tell her to get ready I am taking her to dinner. And the 100 I got back from the dentist pays for dinner. Since the TV came from the restaurant that gave me the app I go there and spend the 100 flexmoney as a thank you. I invite some friends over to watch Monday night football they ask where i got the TV I say Through this app I have on my phone I get points when I shop. They ask how they can get the app. I say I can give it to you. I give away 20 apps and make 20 flex money for doing so and the restaurant just got 20 more customers that they make commission on.

    FlexKOm reaches 10 million customers and Taco bell says how can we reach more customers. We tell them if they offer our customers a discount we will send out a message on our terminals with the offer when they check out they will get a coupon from you. What will you give us?

    With 100 million customers who are all getting cash back and loyalty rewards you can get some really good deals from the larger chain stores. I think it's all about the customer count and we will have them

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Hmmnn,

    looks like he can't provide a source for his information other than "FlexKom told me" ribshaw
    source would be an interview I did with one of the founders. With your suspicious mind it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine someone wanted to try to extort someone for money and use their power to do so. Shouldn't be to hard for you to include as a possibility. But that information can't be proven so take it for what it's worth a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlogicnohate View Post
    This blogger "Niksam" thinks Facebook is an effective way to bring customers to a business.

    Ok so ask yourself how many stores you are following on Facebook.

    ....
    No i do not think so, and i do not follow any store , because I am like 99.99% of human beings do not want to be bothered with marketing crap from those stores.

    But if someone want something like you described, there are plenty ways to do it without selling your soul to MLM-Scam ,
    without business owners recruiting their customers into pyramid scheme, without paying all up-liners upstairs.

    And without loosing all your family and friends because you made them join a scam.


    wait till FTC rules to lock you all up, freaking "businessmen" , how would you even dare to call what you do a "business"?


    PS: And they should study MLMs in Harvard ... as part of criminal studies.
    so new generation grows up realizing how the hell this crap was still legalized.

    MLM cause major personal losses worldwide, more than all Ponzis and HYIPs combined, the problem is nobody realized they been scammed, and just think they were not good enough.
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