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    Your model is not free and is another form of advertising. What can local businesses learn from Walmart that you obviously don't understand Jason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    So does a lot of other businesses that closed this year. And many more will close who do nothing but service their customer the old fashion way. Taxi thought they would never need to update their model and now we got Uber and Lyft.
    You still haven't answered the question and are spouting more unverifiable bullshit that it seems somehow only mlm scammers are privy to.

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    I don't believe Flexkom will EVER fix the problems with their model much less launch an effective platform in the USA. The model makes no sense because it ADDS additional cost to the delivery of the merchant's goods, products and/or services.

    For whatever reason, you still don't get it. Or, as some on this board have suggested, you do GET IT and continue to work the scheme.

    Jason - do you feel any remorse for all of the people that invested with you and are now left holding an empty bag? Is it true the old POS units are worthless?

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    This video highlights just some of the issues with the POS


    Practical use of the Flexkom POS





    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    You still haven't answered the question and are spouting more unverifiable bullshit that it seems somehow only mlm scammers are privy to.
    You guys are all the same. I was asked by you a question that I answered. I shared the functions of FlexKom's system. You asked me why you would pay for something you can do. I gave you a ton of examples of things we can do you cant do on your own. And now you are still asking me to answer what I already answered. All of what I shared is verifiable through our APP and no one cares about what is true and verifiable. What you and the others on here care about is keeping your illusion of FlexKom intact.

    I made a very factual point. And it has everything to do with verifying a simple fact. And what I get back is some stupid sexual joke. Cat has not got my tongue, what usually happens here is this rhetoric of saying I have not responded. I offer evidence and where it can be found and you ask me the same question over and over again. If you where interested in the answer you would maybe see my answer a little easier.

    You say my bulb is dim I honestly think all of you are a little slow. Jaap the only one who has the APP cant even use a smart phone evidently. You ask for proof I answer for you to download the APP and I get a bunch of excuses for not downloading it. It's software you can delete and it's free. So don't tell me I avoid questions when I am giving you the exact way you can verify all of what I am saying.

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    This video highlights just some of the issues with the POS


    Practical use of the Flexkom POS





    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    I don't believe Flexkom will EVER fix the problems with their model much less launch an effective platform in the USA. The model makes no sense because it ADDS additional cost to the delivery of the merchant's goods, products and/or services.

    For whatever reason, you still don't get it. Or, as some on this board have suggested, you do GET IT and continue to work the scheme.

    Jason - do you feel any remorse for all of the people that invested with you and are now left holding an empty bag? Is it true the old POS units are worthless?
    I think you are a little late for that. We have a network of stores already using FlexKom in USA. And you are living in a dream world, Groupon charges 50% of the discounted price for their service. So the merchant is giving up 75% of their price just to get the customer to walk in through the door. This is why I don't post here often, you guys are completely unlettered!

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    Flexkom POS 4s specs and comparison to Sanei N78



    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Jason - I have asked you a lot of questions and you NEVER answer them. Flexkom is dead in the USA. That is not an opinion but a stated fact. Will they be able to fix the problems with management, register with the states/regulators and actually deliver on their model? I seriously doubt it. By your actions - you shall be known.

    I believe Groupon is registered to do business in all 50 states. Can you say that about Flexkon?

    So, here's a simple question that even you should be able to answer. Have you had any of your personally recruited investors ask for their money back only to be denied the refund. What is the answer Jason?
    Last edited by MLM Broken Model; 07-27-2014 at 04:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    I think you are a little late for that. We have a network of stores already using FlexKom in USA. And you are living in a dream world, Groupon charges 50% of the discounted price for their service. So the merchant is giving up 75% of their price just to get the customer to walk in through the door. This is why I don't post here often, you guys are completely unlettered!
    Denial is not river in Egypt.
    I usually feel sorry for a % who waste their time and cash in an obvious pyramid.
    Not this hack. Cant fix dumb.

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    Watsco,

    How many stores are in that "network"?
    What is the monthly volume?
    Are most of them ALSO investors in the money game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    Do you or anyone you know have the Flex-APP?
    Everyone I know still uses S&H Green Stamps and the Telly Savalas Players Club Card.

    Not sure what that has do do with any of the questions I asked? Does Flexcon suddenly have 100,000 location in the USA? How about 50,000, do I hear 10,000? Since this could have been cleared up with 1 post and you made 5ish I will assume that I have answered my own question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Everyone I know still uses S&H Green Stamps and the Telly Savalas Players Club Card.

    Not sure what that has do do with any of the questions I asked? Does Flexcon suddenly have 100,000 location in the USA? How about 50,000, do I hear 10,000? Since this could have been cleared up with 1 post and you made 5ish I will assume that I have answered my own question.


    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    Our APP shows our locations. Ask Jaap how many there are in Europe. Dowloading the APP doesn't help FlexKom.
    The underlined really says it all. App or no app, there should be no guessing and nothing but buzz about Flexcon. It only works as a model if users and business network is huge. I should be able to go on the web right now and find 10% off wigs lickety split. Or a whole network of FK within 100 miles, so I can make my cashback killing.

    It is pure folly. The only reason the merchants are so purposely hard to find is this is a recruiting scam. Can't keep asking people to part with their cash if it comes to the fore that the rollout is more like fallout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    Jaap are you really saying you haven't touched the oranghe dots ?

    I hope I wont have to post a video showing me touching the orange dot that would be silly.
    Well, I would like to ask you to do just that. Because in my app the dots respond to nothing. Whether I touch them, longer or just shortly, tap them, doubletap them, nothing seduces them to expose more info about the shop they are supposed to represent. Not even the name of the shop. The dots remain dead under all circumstances. Also in the help there is no mention of tapping the dots. So I see no reason to believe the dots are interactive until proven otherwise. It fits to neatly in the Flexkom strategy of spreading false info and presenting good looking but empty shells.
    Last edited by Scamtracker-Jaap; 07-28-2014 at 03:29 PM.

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    Watsco, All of the Flexkom stores that I have visited had the system not working.

    First of all, none of the stores tells you anyting about Flexkom. If you do not ask about Flexkom, they do not tell you. This makes that there will be no new Flexkom customers and that the system is barely used at all.

    If you, as a customer, do start asking about Flexkom in a Flexkom store, then all of the store owners tell more or less the same story. At most stores, the system is not working. They tell you that they've received a demo from a Flexkom sales guy, and that's it.

    At none of the stores you are able to pay by Flexmoneys or even save Flexmoneys.

    Last week, the Country Manager of Belgium, Erwin Fally, quit.
    Also the master pimps, Asker Sakinmaz and Cengiz Ehilz, seem to have dissapeared: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...00007851889452

    Do you know where they are, Watsco?

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    watsco sees nothing, hears nothing, and knows nothing. We are not worthy of his explanations as we are too dumb, ignorant, stupid, or idiots.
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    The problem with the non responsive dots on the map of the Flexapp is solved. It happens only on my Samsung Galaxy 2.0 tablet. It responds correctly though on my Galaxy S4 phone and on another tablet I also tried. Also on the Galaxy tablet the dots, more like bulbs actually, were red, whereas on the other two devices the dots were orange with a FK logo inside. Strange.
    Sorry for the misunderstandings. Watsco was right: the app does give verifiable data about the shops you tap on the map. It may just be a bit buggy in the sense that it does not work correctly on all devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    Just searched it on Itunes 3 hits. Two APP's. Flex-card and Flex-App
    Perhaps a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsco View Post
    I hope I wont have to post a video showing me touching the orange dot that would be silly.
    But please post a video of you touching the dots, bringing up the info and then going to visit the store.

    No reason in the world why that should be silly. After all, there's a few people here think it can't be done.

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    Reminder that these scams always have an element of believability and a pseudo product, or they couldn't attract people.

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    I would like Watsco to respond to this post which was found at Russell Longcore's Page. Is it true?

    "FlexKom America Death Watch, Day 15.

    FK America shut down their main source of revenue on July 14th, which was their website order page where sales reps could buy terminals and new recruits could pay their thousands of dollars to enroll and get terminals. This came shortly after it was revealed that FKA is not approved to do business in 47 of 50 states of the USA.

    So, FKA has now gone two weeks without any significant source of new revenue in the USA. (see my comments below on July 24th)

    That's why we are calling this the Death Watch. It is only a matter of time before the parent company pulls the plug and the "patient" dies."

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    Doesn't have to be true. It was dying long before July 14th.

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    Agreed, the concept and model were DOA as in Dead On Arrival. However, the leadership lied about their success in Turkey and Europe and then convinced many at the launch meeting in Vegas the "system" worked. It turned out to be all smoke and mirrors. A lot of naive MLMers rushed in to get rich. Some of them invested their money, reputations, credibility, relationships with friends, family and contacts. I believe Watsco is one of them. He is so "invested" emotionally to Flexkom that he cannot (or will not) see what is now obvious. That being...Flexkom lied to the USA investors about EVERYTHING. By the way, I have heard this from so-called leaders who have now left the company and moved on.

    Russell says Flexkom is NOT ACCEPTING NEW MONEY. I'd like to know if that is a true statement.

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    I called the girlfriend at lunch yesterday, and says she "surprise me when I get home". For a few minutes I though about re-keying the lock on the front door, but I suspect that was not what she had in mind. So I opted for take out Chinese, cause noting says I love you like dinner in a box.

    Much to my shock there was a terminal on the counter for a rewards program. Flexkom I thought, holy crap its taking off. Sadly it was Echo Daily, Inc. | EchoDaily.com - Mobile Marketing & Loyalty Rewards and my amazement turned to a chuckle. Pretty slick terminal FWIW, you can sign up with your email right then and there. I went to the T&C and so far as I can tell, you may as well write your email on the bathroom wall.

    1.2 SOLICITATION: You authorize Echo Daily, its affiliates, service providers and other third parties with which Echo Daily shares information, to communicate with, solicit and/or market to you by regular mail, telephone, text message, email and facsimile in connection with the provision of goods or services, and will hold Echo Daily, its affiliates and other third parties harmless against any and all claims pursuant to the federal CAN-SPAM ACT of 2003, the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA), and any and all other state or federal laws relating to transmissions or solicitations by any of the methods described above. You may opt out of receiving communications from Echo Daily, our affiliates, service providers and other third parties at any time by notifying Echo Daily at info@echodaily.com, and indicating the names of the specific entity or entities from which you no longer wish to receive communications or solicitations. TERMS, USE, PRIVACY

    I passed, as soon as I saw that. The site does claim 1000s of retail locations, which is more than we can say for FK at this point.

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    I thought these comments from 2013 were rather telling. 100% commission and what seems for most like it would be a full time job. Maybe a super salesperson could go out and do a few cold calls a week and build a residual income doing this. With FK, you are plunking down $2200 to find out how fun cold calls can be.

    The foundation of this company, the products and services, the training and compensation post-sale all seem very solid. I started up with Echo Daily seeing the big picture and the validity of mobile marketing in the marketplace for SMB and was very excited and optimistic for our success.
    Here in the Cincinnati area however, the reality has been very different from the desired outcome. From my database of over a few thousand plus businesses we developed from the target markets, we sold right at 15 accounts over a 12-month span of time. This came through a combination of daily and consistent cold drop-ins to cold-calling, referrals etc. Nearly all of these have either already canceled or are scheduled to cancel service. During a month-long visit to the southeast Wisconsin area, we developed a database of well over 5-600 businesses working everyday between 9am and 6pm and sold 1 account.
    Bottom line is this really is a good opportunity. The training is very well done and the support is second to none. The hardest part of the job is really three-fold. 1) SMB owners seeing the same level of value in this as you do which means very rarely a one or even two or three-call close, 2) Competing with the existing mobile marketing service providers already here and 3) Overcoming the "fear of the unknown or change" element with an unknown company of Echo Daily in this area from business owners. "The know what they have, they just don't know what they are going to get" thought-process.
    I would recommend this to just about anyone willing to give it a good shot like we did. However, from my experience in this area, I would definitely NOT recommend this starting out as your sole source of income. This will need at least a solid year to build up to a level of being a sole source of income. I learned that the Cincinnati market is very different than the other markets where I was hearing all about how reps would be selling 4, 5 or 6 or more accounts per week. This level of consistent results just isn't realistic here in the Cincinnati area from our experience.
    I wish anyone who takes up this challenge and opportunity in this area of Cincinnati the best of luck and all the success in the world. – less

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    Prospect for new customers through social media’s resources 50+ phone cold calls per day set appointments, Installation of credit card processing machine and android tablet. Preview and explain software, delivered in person and over the phone presentations and cisco WebEx meetings. 3-4 hour's spent on the phone making new contacts. 3-4 hours a day out in the field appt. setting and prospecting for new business. the most enjoyable part of the job
    is helping business see the big picture. that this will help to grow there business. the hardest part of the job are the business owners that get away because they are closed minded. being an Independent Advertising consultant is hard sometime. –

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    Even though I just started with Echo Daily, Inc. I can tell this is going to be a great career move for me and my family. The initial support and training is second to none. My sales manage has been phenomenal these past couple of weeks with training and is simply always available when I need him to be. The primary product, mobile marketing, is something that every single business needs, but so few have. In addition to Echo Daily's mobile marketing product, they offer other products that compliment it which allows the sales representative to build a strong residual income and the customer retention rate is the highest I've ever seen.

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    the hardest part of the job are the business owners that get away because they are closed minded.
    Might I respectfully suggest a large part of this guys' problem in signing up new customers can be explained in that one line.
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