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    You're right....you clowns have provided no evidence whatsoever that this is legitimate. You're not getting your money back.
    If you actually read the 55 pages, which you did not as proven by your ridiculous post, you would see plenty of evidence this is the scam it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    This is crazy. 55 pages. Of speculation. No evidence. Just post after post after post... of what Bill said and what Jane said and what Mike wrote in a blog... Time well spent. :)
    So, ignore it.

    REALSCAM.com is a free forum where people can express their views. Nowhere do the words "compulsory" or "penalties" appear. You will not be expelled from the forum if you don't believe what you read or decide to not accept the advice you're given.

    In fact, why don't you double or triple the amount you've invested in Flexkon so you can come back and rub it in our noses when you make your millions

    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo
    Hey, how much money the US citizens lost in 2008? You remember, the banking scam? Did you raise your voice then? Did you?
    What banks did in 2008 has nothing to do with what Flexkon is doing in 2014. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    This is crazy. 55 pages. Of speculation. No evidence. Just post after post after post... of what Bill said and what Jane said and what Mike wrote in a blog... Time well spent. :)
    Hey, how much money the US citizens lost in 2008? You remember, the banking scam? Did you raise your voice then? Did you?
    The class actions in Europe vs Flexscam are "of what Bill said and what Jane said and what Mike wrote" ???

    I agree with LRM in above post. Take your life savings and max out your credit card with Flexscam units.
    Teach us a lesson. You already live in the 3d world / arse end of Europe.
    Whats to lose?
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    The last couple days of this thread are mostly English & a good read.

    https://www.facebook.com/55370978133...290027/?type=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    Eagle One -----> Are you saying that each distributor must maintain 51% of their income from retail sales, or the company?
    Everyone who signs up to be a part of any MLM is required to have 51% of their income coming from Retail Sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    You're right....you clowns have provided no evidence whatsoever that this is legitimate. You're not getting your money back.
    If you actually read the 55 pages, which you did not as proven by your ridiculous post, you would see plenty of evidence this is the scam it is.
    No legale charges were ever made against FlexKom. Never. There are people that do not like the way things were handled and I do not argue with that. Some would also like their money back. Everyone can understand them. Will they get it back (or even should they; is their money-back claim legit), nobody knows. Did they read the contract? Some claim that they even didn't get the contract. But they gave the money? How stupid can one be?!?

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    How excellent.

    Blame the victims.

    Not hard to see why there are so many disgruntled ex members, is it, when people like zaneo are out there defending Flexkon
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    No legale charges were ever made against FlexKom. Never. There are people that do not like the way things were handled and I do not argue with that. Some would also like their money back. Everyone can understand them. Will they get it back (or even should they; is their money-back claim legit), nobody knows. Did they read the contract? Some claim that they even didn't get the contract. But they gave the money? How stupid can one be?!?
    Well, stupidity or naivity as I prefer to call it, is certainly a factor. And ofcourse, Cengiz, Asker, Bayo and cronies are very good and experienced scammers. They can be that good because they absolutely lack the things that makes you and I human: empathy and morality. They can deceive you without the flinching of an eye, without feeling bad about themselves. Their enthusiasm is sincere. They really enjoy scamming you, and want to do the best scamming job possible. That might even be the reason that they continue the hopeless endeavour of getting Flexkom in Europe and in the USA back on track. They probably see that as a genuine challenge, and are eager to prove that they as scammers are up to it.
    Their object is not to make Flexkom a succes, never was. Their object is to play the game of make believe and keep you fools mesmerized for as long as possible. That's where their pleasure comes from, that's the source of their 'professional pride'. When you take a psychological view, the snakes that lead Flexkom are really interesting.

    And for the record, you are wrong in saying nobody ever files charges against Flexkom. In Turkey they seem to have lost more then one case. Although the info we get about that is in turkish only regrettably. And several cases are being prepared. See this link for instance: flexkom EU class action

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    Blame the victims? Victims of what? What was promised to them (by FlexKom) that didn't happen?

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    scammers don't do legitimate business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    Blame the victims? Victims of what? What was promised to them (by FlexKom) that didn't happen?
    Residual income for starters.

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    Guess you failed to read page 55 before making such a silly statement. Best guess any of the other pages with any comprehension.

    Two things:

    1. What have the posters put in these pages that has turned out wrong?
    2. What proof can you put forward that they are in fact wrong? Hard evidence, not the "a few people in Turkey had a hair up their ass" gambit again.
    2. What do you care if the thread sucks so bad, surely it can't be swaying too many people away from your beloved Flexkon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    No legale charges were ever made against FlexKom. Never.
    Erol PAKEL, first person on left - Flexkom PT in Turkey, deeds/possesions and bank accounts were seized. "Cengiz fleeing to testify for fraud case..

    http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-a...html#post75436


    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    You're not getting your money back..
    Glad Whip got to it or I was going to pinch his tagline. If at this point you don't understand what is happening with Flexkon you probably need to see about having the courts manage your affairs. Some people are stupid with money, that's why there are sites like REALSCAM that give them a sounding board to suss out scams. Unfortunately, some people are also stupid about taking their money for **** opportunities, and I go 60/40 which camp you are in just based on your entrance.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    Flexkom Flexcom Light added 3 new photos.
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    FLEXKOM MASK IS COMING OFF
    CULT definition by Merriam-Webster:
    - great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or INTELLECTUAL FAD!!!
    - Opposing critical thinking
    - Isolating members and degrading them for leaving – BLINDFOLDING!!
    Billy Resides radio show today was full with these idiots: chocked-up voices, beating their drums for FKA.
    There is a guy, Constantin Verum, that is getting under the skin of these scammsters with his brilliant truth-emails.
    No matter how much the patsies Bill Resides, Eric Stinnett, Mike Livingston try, facts are - their biggest team with AJ Krause IS GONE! and
    • HOLLAND IS FK DEAD, the CM for 2 ½ years and his troops quit publically and are pursuing legal actions that thousands have already signed up for
    • FRANCE IS FK DEAD with just a few active left
    • ENGLAND is negative and almost dead
    • GERMANY is negative and almost FK dead, FK is a copy of Cengiz’ previous scams
    • AUSTRIA, after 12 months in phase 3 is still almost dead under the leadership of a Carlos Plobner, the guy that has trouble paying his open bills and has a team partner’s name on the official office registration in Graz
    • SWITZERLAND changed CM several times and is still almost FK dead
    • BELGIUM is trying to flicker a little, the CM Erwin Fally, count of Neverland, was fired – is back from the dead promoting the chief scammer Cengiz as from the Swiss company (hoping that the prefix “Swiss” would add credibility?)
    • SLOVENIA, run by Volker’s friend, dictator Valerija Ornik, has 500 merchants with 30 customers each = 15,000 in total in 8 months! - Valerija had to go to Munich and sit on the dupes to even get the terminals to turn on in Slovenia
    • POLAND, run by Volker’s friend Waldemar Manhart, brags with a Porsche dealer, but … that guy is a FK partner, generated fake videos
    • ITALY is trying to put on a futile show with the clown Cicorella
    • TURKEY, started in 2010 as test market! FK Turkey is dead, thousands of people suing FK, warrants out for Cengiz and Asker so they send their puppet Uzun to Turkey, former leaders are sentenced for fraud already
    This is just to name a few.
    In other words: Western Europe is “pumped-out” and can’t get back up again. Not even hallucinated promises with BCMs making fantasy incomes between $30,000 to $90,000 per month nor the new fish tale of the Power Team making $11,000 in 60 days is working.
    The ones around CM Billy Resides, who is spellbound with weekly paychecks, and his knights are drugged into the FAMILY CULT idea of the 1. Mover of flint-stone technology.
    Volker Wainig puffed himself for a few days into the US to help Billy close the FKA office in Las Vegas and put it into Billy's back-yard in Chattanooga in the middle of nowhere. Where did all the money go that FKA produced ....
    Volker does have a new title … another fantasy title, something with International sales. He jazzes his hungry listeners with crocks of future possible tech-features and tear-jerking visions of gimmick “rescue the children of the world” charity, which is nowhere registered.
    Since 4 years these asses are pioneering the technology!
    Like the Dutch manifested: FK experimented with m-commerce!
    Now, have you ever heard of a business that can afford to experiment for so long? Only FK, because WE ALL paid them!
    Hundreds of terminals in the Las Vegas office that were returned or refused by the reps --- probably an illusion???
    Terminals where serial ‪#‎s‬ don’t match, many don’t turn on at all --- an illusion???
    Terminals will be serviced by who??? Nonsense – buy new ones for $950!!!
    How long will merchants hang-on with these fabled stories of benefits when they only pay for rebates but nobody can redeem, no commissions – no income, no push messages, no video functions …
    Same as in Paris, Amsterdam, Leipzig – terminals will be turned off and disappear under the counter, out of sight.
    What kind of furious animals will the current dummy-reps become, if they ever notice that they were taken to the cleaners????



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    Russell D. Longcore In order to have a cult, you must have an audience of willing sycophants. The rats are deserting the ship. Billy Boy will NEVER disclose how many people actually LISTEN to his Next Level show. This is one of the most amazing shams I have ever witnessed. But don' t worry…the death watch is mostly over now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Everyone who signs up to be a part of any MLM is required to have 51% of their income coming from Retail Sales.
    EagleOne - I have never heard of any 51% rule being applied to the "individual" distributor. I thought the entire company had to maintain a certain percentage of retail customers. Does this apply to all direct sales programs like insurance and real estate too? Can you supply your source for this Rule? I believe a high percentage of MLM programs are actually illegal pyramid schemes. (Hence my username - MLM Broken Model) I did find this site where they talked about the 51% rule. No mention of it being applied to EACH distributor though. http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/2_Taylor_..._institute.pdf

    This is my last post on this topic as I don't want to get off the main topic - FlexKon
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    No mention of it being applied to EACH distributor though.
    Not to jump the queue on Eagle, but the girlfriend sent me back to the computer to find us an "activity", somehow I ended up here.

    In the affiliate agreements I have looked at retail sales are required to earn commission under the plan. It also seems readily obvious that all the MLM companies ignore this rule. Since IBOs are set up as Independent Contractors they can be easily thrown under the bus for any rule violations. The companies like Herbalife always seem to feign ignorance and call "distributors" customers, no matter what pretenses they may have been brought in under.

    I would argue that if most sales are not on the individual level to retail customers it is very likely an illegal pyramid scheme under the law. One might be able to make the numbers work a little differently if it was just an odd distributor that was "self consuming", but that almost never seems the case.


    ================================================== ===========
    , and that sales
    to Customers are a requirement to receiving compensation in the form of Performance Bonus on downline IBO volume

    https://www.amway.com/en/ResourceCen...ionForm-CE.pdf


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    SUMMARY:

    IBO's must have the following to qualify for even the lowest performance bonus at 3%:

    1) Have sold a least one item to each of 10 different retail customers. Retail customers include members, clients, others, but does not include downline sponsored IBO's.

    2) Have sold at least 50PV worth of product or $100 at IBO cost to these 10 retail customers

    3) Have sold at least 70% of the month's total PV to retail customers or downline.

    Quixtar Amway Business Myths - Retail sales rule

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    BASED ON THIS TEST FLEXKOM IN THE US FAILS. I KNOW I KNOW THERE IS A MASSIVE RETAIL ROLLOUT COMING.

    The participant makes a payment of money to the company;
    In exchange, the participant receives the right to sell a product (or service);
    In exchange, the participant receives compensation for recruiting others into the program;
    The compensation is unrelated to the sale of products (or services) to the ultimate user.

    To be judged a pyramid scheme, the scheme must have all four elements.

    How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the US: Do You Know Koscot Test and Howey Test?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneo View Post
    This is crazy. 55 pages. Of speculation. No evidence. Just post after post after post... of what Bill said and what Jane said and what Mike wrote in a blog... Time well spent. :)
    Hey, how much money the US citizens lost in 2008? You remember, the banking scam? Did you raise your voice then? Did you?
    Zaneo I'm curious. What experience do you have regarding this type of business, if you know so much?

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    The con men behind Flexscam NL got tired of getting scammed themselves.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...00004624396511

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    The con men behind Flexscam NL got tired of getting scammed themselves.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=344190905745053&id=100004 624396511
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    EagleOne - I have never heard of any 51% rule being applied to the "individual" distributor. I thought the entire company had to maintain a certain percentage of retail customers. Does this apply to all direct sales programs like insurance and real estate too? Can you supply your source for this Rule? I believe a high percentage of MLM programs are actually illegal pyramid schemes. (Hence my username - MLM Broken Model) I did find this site where they talked about the 51% rule. No mention of it being applied to EACH distributor though. http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/2_Taylor_..._institute.pdf

    This is my last post on this topic as I don't want to get off the main topic - FlexKon
    Thanks.
    This rule was established by the FTC who has oversight of the MLM industry. From their various court cases it was ruled that the majority of income of a distributor, or whatever they call themselves, must come from retail sales, not how many people they sign up and commissions from sales of their downline. You can read the general FTC rule here:

    Multilevel Marketing | Consumer Information
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    So watsco, what's your take on all of this? Is this enough proof for you to understand that FlexKom is a Ponzi, and has always been a Ponzi and not a real company?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    ... I believe a high percentage of MLM programs are actually illegal pyramid schemes...
    Aim higher, ALL MLM programs are pyramids, even those listed on exchange, the difference that they manipulate numbers, passing network sales as retail.
    And MLM model would never work without being a pyramid. Why would someone who has majority retail sales even call or associate themselves to anything as
    MLM, "Network Marketing". "Direct sales" ? Would not it just be a regular company, with a partnership program or with qualified distributors ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    This rule was established by the FTC who has oversight of the MLM industry. From their various court cases it was ruled that the majority of income of a distributor, or whatever they call themselves, must come from retail sales, not how many people they sign up and commissions from sales of their downline. You can read the general FTC rule here:

    Multilevel Marketing | Consumer Information
    As an addendum I have looked into this when Eagleone first brought it to my attention and it ( over 50% must come from other sources and not from direct sales or money from commissions/joining fees or any other source of cash in your downline) fairly much established in International law.

    Here is the EU version: Unfair commercial practices - Justice
    That is an EU Directive but member states may also have their own which also has this 51% idea.

    L_2005149EN.01002201.xml

    ANNEX I

    COMMERCIAL PRACTICES WHICH ARE IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES CONSIDERED UNFAIR

    Misleading commercial practices

    Point 14
    14. Establishing, operating or promoting a pyramid promotional scheme where a consumer gives consideration for the opportunity to receive compensation that is derived primarily from the introduction of other consumers into the scheme rather than from the sale or consumption of products.
    For "primarily" read " a majority of the money coming from this source" i.e. more than 50% of the money coming from other subscribers and not from products.

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    Thanks Beacon/EagleOne for the info.

    I am still not sure whether or not the 51% rule you refer to applies to EVERY distributor. It appears everything you have listed refers to the
    Company average. So, if Distributor A has 25% retail customer income and Distributor B has 76% retail customer income, the two would average better than 50% of their income from Retail Customer income. However, do either of you have any examples where the FTC took issue with a SINGLE distributor and their percentage of retail sales being below 51%?

    Bottom line: I thought the 51% Rule applied ONLY to the company overall and not to EACH distributor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    The con men behind Flexscam NL got tired of getting scammed themselves.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...00004624396511
    US Flexscammers getting nervous.Lucky they have a Christian company to fall back on!


    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

    Also, Corporate office gone? Working out of the TN reps home office soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLM Broken Model View Post
    Thanks Beacon/EagleOne for the info.

    I am still not sure whether or not the 51% rule you refer to applies to EVERY distributor. It appears everything you have listed refers to the
    Company average. So, if Distributor A has 25% retail customer income and Distributor B has 76% retail customer income, the two would average better than 50% of their income from Retail Customer income. However, do either of you have any examples where the FTC took issue with a SINGLE distributor and their percentage of retail sales being below 51%?

    Bottom line: I thought the 51% Rule applied ONLY to the company overall and not to EACH distributor.
    It has to be each representative as there is no way a company as a whole could meet this requirement. it is also why the MLM companies never provide their retail sales figures in their reports.
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