Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by Whip

maybe they thought he meant banan appeal.

Well, he slipped up there then, didn't he ????

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Well, he slipped up there then, didn't he ????

but nobody is going to make a monkey out of him.

Doesn't stop him from going ape on Facebook, though.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Well, his latest FB page is not available. I guess Neeta isn't loved anymore.

As for your question LRM, he's pretty much talking to himself trying to convince himself he won't be charged criminally. Not that many believers anymore. He lost a lot of followers when he made the appeal of the Judge's decision. They realized he lied when he said he was trying to resolve this as fast as possible.

If he started scam #18 tomorrow there would be lots of people who would open their wallets and send him cash...
There are lots still drinking the koolaide...many who still believe that the SEC are the crooks who wrongly closed down TM...The comments to his posts are proof of that...

Originally Posted by okosh

If he started scam #18 tomorrow there would be lots of people who would open their wallets and send him cash...
There are lots still drinking the koolaide...many who still believe that the SEC are the crooks who wrongly closed down TM...The comments to his posts are proof of that...

I agree they would join his next venture, and that's why I am shocked he didn't launch his new business already. BUT, the number of people responding to his post are way, way down from his hay-day up to the judge's ruling against him. You know you've lost it when your biggest supporters bail on you, ant they took a lot of people with them that no longer believe.

And, none of it matters, anyway.

The serial ponzi players and leaders are long gone, there's a mere handful of supporter / posters on Facebook, and most of them are only checking in to see if there's been any change.

After what's happened, if anyone continues to believe Traffic Monsoon is going to return and Scoville isn't going to lose everything and be gaoled, there's nothing anyone can do to help them.

I'm sure a few 'supporters' are people hoping to get their seed money out at the least.

Originally Posted by Whip

I'm sure a few 'supporters' are people hoping to get their seed money out at the least.

Yep, there's always a greedy few players who misjudge their timing

The real tragedy here are all the members who fell for Charles' lies and quit their jobs in spite of being warned not to by others, but not one peep out of Charles telling them not to do it. On the contrary, he was bragging about them and how they "got it, TM was their business," and all the rest of his BS inflating his ego. Many of them did it just a couple of months before TM stopped paying when PayPal froze the TM account.

The most callous comments Charles made was when they were complaining about needing help, they were losing their homes, cars, in dire straights, etc., and Charles countered with how bad things were for him basically telling them to stop complaining. Then we had the obligatory I am doing all I can to solve the problem and he had expert advisers working with him to solve the payment issues. Actually the truth of the matter was he did have people who were wanting to help solve the payment issues, but also for long term growth.

The experts believed at the time that TM was a real business, and that's the only reason why they were willing to help. As they were learning there wasn't any outside revenue sources that made TM a real business, they were strategizing on how they could turn that around and make it a real business. The only problem was Charles lied to them about how much money was coming into TM weekly, he didn't like the restructure of TM, and he wasn't willing to give up a portion of ownership and it blew the whole deal.

You can bet they are thanking their lucky stars the deal fell apart now.

Uh Oh,

Looks like there's trouble in paradise.

Things are hottin' up in Monsoonville:

Geez, Scoville is runnin' hot today.

Just can't help himself, can he



From the Traffic Monsoon updates page on Facebook

If there was any point to this, perhaps we could understand his need to post.

But, there isn't and we can't

Still rattling on !

Charles Scoville
43 mins

As we work through the appeal, I want to show you some things about this case, reasons why we should win everything back for everyone.

Blatant contradiction: The SEC allege that no financial records were kept, while at the same time they give some specifics about financial transactions.. in fact the forensic accountant pieced together a full financial picture from start-to-finish of all transactions both in and out from Traffic Monsoon.. so when the receiver says there are no financial records... then which records did they have to create a full financial overview of the business for the preliminary injunctions? Obviously there really are records. These are the types of things people do NOT look at when thinking through this case themselves.

A thought I had also about a ponzi is deception. That's an element with a ponzi, because a ponzi is telling investors money will be used a certain way, but it's not actually being used that way. They say that returns are coming from a certain investment project, but that's not really where the returns are coming from. So from a consumer protection angle, it's important that consumers know what they are spending their money on.. and in an investment, the investor needs to know where their money is going, how everything works, track record, etc verified by 3rd parties.. so the investor can make a wise decision whether to invest.. but in TM's situation, the SEC even say everything is disclosed, and so the deception element is missing.. everything is fully described how it works fully. Everyone is made fully aware that their purchase is for ad service and not an investment, and made fully aware that for their purchase the only thing the company promises to give them is their ad service they selected and paid for. That's pretty clear and up front. Then the company describes with your money we'll deliver you visitors to your website using 3rd parties.. and this creates a profit margin for the company from that transaction, and with money left over we'll use to give away surf rewards when people meet a certain number of pages. So the ins-and-outs of how money is used from a transaction is fully disclosed, and therefore anyone who made the purchase is made fully aware of what's happening through the transaction before the transaction takes place.. so the consumer is properly protected by giving them all necessary information before check-out. If someone didn't agree with how this works, they wouldn't have made a purchase-- because by signing up and making a purchase, it confirms agreement to the terms of the purchase, which is completely outlined to be an ad service and not any form of any sort of investment in any way-shape-nor-form. Having a fully-disclosed ponzi is an oxymoron.

Usually, one of the details undisclosed in a ponzi, is that the ponzi actually cannot cash-out everyone's account balances, but are constantly chasing after being caught-up but never being able to reach it, because in reality the ponzi is operating on a profit loss and not a profit margin. Traffic Monsoon's transactions each operated on a profit margin, and rewards for surfing were only given using money the company already had at the time rewards were given. Since there is more than enough money to cash-out everyone's account balance, deliver all services, and meet all company commitments, it's another sign that there is no ponzi involved with Traffic Monsoon.

This isn't even very complicated at all. I'll show you how simple this is..

There is a company that sells "Legal Bud" -- known as legalbuds.com

If you go to the website you can see what they are selling. They are most certainly not selling marijuana. They clearly make sure their clients know it's not marijuana. It looks like marijuana, but it's not. Someone might buy it thinking they will get high, but if they thought that-- clearly they didn't read the website because it clearly let's the person who is considering buying anything know these buds won't make you high, and there is no THC. So it's legal. Why? There's no THC.

So looking at Traffic Monsoon, it's a company that sells ad service. If you go to the website or watch my videos it's very clear that's what I'm offering. Traffic Monsoon most certain was not offering any investment. It was made very clear any potential customer knows it's not an investment, no deposits, and no refunds. Very clear the offer is ad service that will not give anyone any returns on investment... but if they thought that, clearly they didn't read through the website because clearly anyone considering buying anything is made full aware none of the purchases on the website will provide any returns on an investment. There's no liability. There is no promise found or statement which places liability on Traffic Monsoon for surf rewards to be anything at all. So, if surf rewards are anything at all, then the company can choose how and what they do, because there is nothing binding them to have any rewards at all. So it's not a security, because there is no liability. It's the liability which makes something a security just like it's the THC that makes marijuana illegal vs these "legal buds" without THC.

Without liability there can be no security. The only liability upon Traffic Monsoon is to deliver the services, and there is no form of investor contract being entered whatsoever.

So it can easily be seen that there is neither a security nor a Ponzi involved in TM. :-D and additionally easy to see that the problem we are facing is a lying government. That's the only complication in this case- the SEC is lying.

Another thing that makes this hard is in affording bills. After this stage of appeals the case goes back to the district level where bills become approx $40,000 per month through discovery & depositions.. There's no job in the world that would pay me $40,000 per month... so if you want to help support our fight back against the SEC for their allegations and the impact their lies have upon you, me, and everyone.. then you can get details for how to donate toward the fight against the SEC here:

he got news about something and it ain't good for him.

And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we bring you tonights' episode of:



Here ya go:

Take care and don't hurt yourself laughing.

Someone was asking how many Charlie Scoville and Traffic Monsoon supporters still remain loyal to the (lost) cause.

Here they are, neatly collected in one spot on Charlie Scovilles' page on Facebook so you can laugh at their ignorance.

The day is coming when Willie Wonky will be singing a different tune...

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I am going to have to agree with what Ayesha said,

Charles is king of the revshare!!!!



Well maybe not king, but certainly the founder of several. Charles craps on because some fools will listen. The SEC aren't fools Charles and your a$$ is grass.

Dear Fools,

Revshares are Ponzis, FYI.

I'm not sure where Charles gets that he doesn't have or needs any money to start a business? Can't he just create another $500M in ad packs from thin air like he did with Monsoon?

You've been doing this for years Chucko. Take $50 from someone and tell them in 90 days it will turn into $55 if they look at 10 cat photos each day. Have them share the wealth by recruiting friends and family to put money in, they don't even have to like cats. Then when 90 days is up pay people back with their own money plus that of later recruits. Better yet, have them compound their way to easy street buying more packs with their profits. Take a cut for yourself and your friends, then come up with some dumbass excuse when the monstrosity topples. People are stupid they'll believe you. If they're sore, just give them a slot in your new program so salve their wounds.

Not hard at all when you run a Ponzi.jpg

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Read the court document and you won't believe Scoville either.

http://dm.epiq11.com/home/caseinformation/18441#

Not sure if this got posted yet....Sunil on why he didn't donate to the legal fund....

Charles Skoville has been very rude to me today mainly because I did not want to help raise donations. This is my response to Charles Scoville
I always let you post here don't lie. I never agreed with you collecting donations because the members suffered enough that's my opinion & I will stick to it. When I said I would help raise all the donations he needed as long as he would show me the invoices & solicitors details you refused?? So it's your fault for not being transparent to me or the TM Members. Why hide solicitors invoices from me??? Maybe there's no invoices?? & you collecting family loses!!!!.
1-I wasn't the one who secretly withdrew 50+ times from PayPal without telling anyone TM Leaders or Members. Which alerted the SEC.
2- I wasn't the one who let 81 million dollars build up in The PayPal accounts
3- I wasn't the one who trusted Ernie & Dave barker with all the TM Members info & gave them a salary of $264k each!!!
4-I wasn't the one who even if died would have left ernie all the TM business.
5- I wasn't the one who did not let anyone even know where I lived when people came to help you in Utah
6- I wasn't the one who has had had every business closed down I ran
7- I wasn't the one who had bad credit so couldn't get loans from banks because of a $200 dollar medical bill I never paid.
8-I wasn't the one who trusted shez khan
9- I wasn't the person who wasted TM Money on cars & houses
10- Charles you love to blame the whole world for TM being shut down but never look at yourself
11- why didn't you build your own facebook group or email list if you are CEO of a company.
12- I helped you so much but you are so ungrateful
13- If TM Would have won its Court case there would be no Integrity ESA
14- Having your mum say if we don't get donations than the court case is lost was very unfair to put the TM Members at Ransom & blackmail we are human beings not Animals
15- Why did you let Dave build a 36,000 people tm facebook group & than have him kick you out
16- Why did you give ernie all the TM Software & website and than all the members got scammed in traffic Hurricane
17-You are a fool.
18- I know my heart is pure & intentions are good. You started these online businesses to make money for your self and not to help people.
19- I genuinely care for the people.
20- Without me motivating people and giving hope TM would be finished 6 months ago you ungrateful man.
21- You caused innocent people all around the World & even your own family to suffer. You are supposed to protect your Mum not involve her in Your mess. So don't blame me or accuse me of anything you Fool.
22- You are an amateur businesses man who never studied or read how to run a company.
23- Outside ad packs what the **** did you sell???
24-My heart is pure & I live with integrity don't ever insult me again you ungrateful man.
25- You deliberately turned many people against me but I will still build the No.1 Network Marketing Company in the World to protect society & people from people like you.
26- I am proud I never raised donations for you. It's your company and your responsibility to raise court fee's you should be ashamed asking the TM Members for money when you know IMMY & Sharon your best friends made millions out of TM.
27- I lost a lot of Money, my valuable time & respect from TM and I want every penny back from you.
28- I never removed you or your mum from Any of my groups although I was told I should & you repay me with pure stupidness.
29- If this situation was the other way around you would have disappeared and left me a year ago. Would you have organised revolution day FOR ME!!!.
30- I motivated MY Facebook groups every day for 2 years without selling them nothing I only wanted to help people you fool Charles.
31- Charles why don't you get a job & work like me ,Nilesh & all the TM Members who are working Day & night to get back the losses from TM.
32- The first thing you want to do is start a new business right!!!! Obviously that's so YOU make money & not from a genuine care for the TM Members. That's Pathetic & wrong. Fool.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I'm not sure where Charles gets that he doesn't have or needs any money to start a business? Can't he just create another $500M in ad packs from thin air like he did with Monsoon?

You've been doing this for years Chucko. Take $50 from someone and tell them in 90 days it will turn into $55 if they look at 10 cat photos each day. Have them share the wealth by recruiting friends and family to put money in, they don't even have to like cats. Then when 90 days is up pay people back with their own money plus that of later recruits. Better yet, have them compound their way to easy street buying more packs with their profits. Take a cut for yourself and your friends, then come up with some dumbass excuse when the monstrosity topples. People are stupid they'll believe you. If they're sore, just give them a slot in your new program so salve their wounds.

Not hard at all when you run a Ponzi.jpg

pyramid.jpg

Read the court document and you won't believe Scoville either.

http://dm.epiq11.com/home/caseinformation/18441#

He had money from his previous failed 16 programs to start TM. He just used the "no refunds" rule to not return money to the members in his previous failed programs. From AHP, he just gave them positions in TM so he only had to cough up 10% ROI, not the full amount they were promised. Now that all his money is in the hands of the Receiver he doesn't have any money to launch a new scam. That's why he is crying he doesn't have any money to fleece the faithful once again.

Charles Scoville
43 mins

There is a company that sells "Legal Bud" -- known as legalbuds.com

If you go to the website you can see what they are selling. They are most certainly not selling marijuana. They clearly make sure their clients know it's not marijuana. It looks like marijuana, but it's not. Someone might buy it thinking they will get high, but if they thought that-- clearly they didn't read the website because it clearly let's the person who is considering buying anything know these buds won't make you high, and there is no THC. So it's legal. Why? There's no THC.

So looking at Traffic Monsoon, it's a company that sells ad service. If you go to the website or watch my videos it's very clear that's what I'm offering. Traffic Monsoon most certain was not offering any investment. It was made very clear any potential customer knows it's not an investment, no deposits, and no refunds. Very clear the offer is ad service that will not give anyone any returns on investment... but if they thought that, clearly they didn't read through the website because clearly anyone considering buying anything is made full aware none of the purchases on the website will provide any returns on an investment. There's no liability. There is no promise found or statement which places liability on Traffic Monsoon for surf rewards to be anything at all. So, if surf rewards are anything at all, then the company can choose how and what they do, because there is nothing binding them to have any rewards at all. So it's not a security, because there is no liability. It's the liability which makes something a security just like it's the THC that makes marijuana illegal vs these "legal buds" without THC.

^^^^That's Charles calling you Traffic Monsoon members idiots again.

Furthermore, it's out of context. Charles says he sold advertising, and members thought they purchased advertising - not advertising without ADS.

But "WHY" did they purchase the advertising?

The MOTIVE for people buying was the return on their money. Want proof? 99.6% were member/investors and not customers. It doesn't matter what you wrote in your TOS to CYA.

How many times do we need to explain this to you Charles? Plus, like your supporter Ayesha said, it's a RevShare!

I motivated MY Facebook groups every day for 2 years without selling them nothing I only wanted to help people you fool Charles.

Without selling them nothing Sunil. that means that you sold them something. What was it? Hot air?

Seems to be more than a small amount of anger and frustration creeping into Charlie Scovilles' Facebook postings of late as it becomes apparent a decreasing number of people are falling for his nonsense.

If USI had come out as a RevShare, William, the former serf for TM, Bryant would have joined in a heartbeat. Since they didn't he could magically see it was a Ponzi. Funny how that works isn't it.

I keep waiting for Charles to compare TM to WalMart, Costco, and Gas Credit Card reward programs just like stacy did trying to claim TM was legitimate and legal. Kind of makes me wonder why he hasn't since he is now trying to compare TM to selling lemonade. Can you imagine a lemonade stand selling you lemonade and telling you if you come back in 60 days you will get your purchase price back plus 10%! Now that's funny! But I am sure he will get around to it eventually as he still has a long time before any word will come from the Appellant Court's decision.

Now what would truly be funny is if the Receiver filed with the Appellant Court saying that Charles does not have standing to appeal on behalf of TM, which he doesn't, and the court dismisses his appeal. Charles will go stark raving crazy screaming it's a conspiracy!