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    Quote Originally Posted by Not So Lucky View Post
    From CS in response to the video Sunil posted LOL
    Attachment 15106
    Does this groaner ever plan on footnoting his preachments? The SEC does not need to rewrite anything, the Supreme Court has already provided us with case law. The SEC's complaint most certainly does say the "service" was being sold as an investment.


    The AdPacks Are Securities Being Sold in Unregistered Transactions

    76. The purchase of AdPacks involves the investment of money , in the form of the $50 purchase price.

    77. Investor funds are aggregated together in PayPal, at other payment processors, and at JPMorgan Chase. Investors can see their status by logging into their subaccounts. A
    portion of investor funds also went to the Traffic Monsoon reserve fund, which was also maintained at PayPal. Payments are made out of the reserve fund to supplement profit
    sharing payments back to investors.

    78. Payment of the investors’ returns is almost entirely dependent on Scoville’s ability to sell AdPacks. The financial success or failure of the investors are inextricably tied to the efforts of Scoville and Traffic Monsoon.

    79. Investors have no role in managing Traffic Monsoon and rely on Traffic Monsoon to operate the traffic exchange, collect revenue, supplement the revenue from its reserve fund,
    and distribute it to members. Traffic Monsoon also sets up the banner ad rotator and tracks clicks by members seeking to qualify to share in profits.

    https://www.sec.gov/litigation/compl.../comp23604.pdf

    It's almost like they have done this before...



    The "Howey Test" is a test created by the Supreme Court for determining whether certain transactions qualify as "investment contracts." If so, then under the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, those transactions are considered securities and therefore subject to certain disclosure and registration requirements.

    It is an investment of money-SEC 76
    There is an expectation of profits from the investment-SEC 77
    The investment of money is in a common enterprise-SEC 77
    Any profit comes from the efforts of a promoter or third party-SEC 78 & 79

    What Is the Howey Test? - FindLaw

    Substance Over Form

    In deciding Howey, the Supreme Court created a test that looks at an investment's substance, rather than its form, as the determining factor for whether it is a security.


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    There is an expectation of profits from the investment-SEC 77
    Scoville and co think they have that aspect covered by saying "returns aren't guaranteed"

    Whereas the SEC has only to apply the "substance over form" test and the Good ship, Traffic Monsoon is dead in the water

    Can you imagine Charlie trying that defense on in court:

    "Yeah well, returns aren't guaranteed, so the fact we gave them for over two years is irrelevant"

    Didn't work for Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily, so I have no clue why anyone would think it'll work for Scoville and Traffic Monsoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    In deciding Howey, the Supreme Court created a test that looks at an investment's substance, rather than its form, as the determining factor for whether it is a security.
    as a scammer applies the Howey test:

    Scammer: Howey doing
    Marks: We're still getting paid
    Scammer: See.......legal.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Scoville and co think they have that aspect covered by saying "returns aren't guaranteed"

    Whereas the SEC has only to apply the "substance over form" test and the Good ship, Traffic Monsoon is dead in the water

    Can you imagine Charlie trying that defense on in court:

    "Yeah well, returns aren't guaranteed, so the fact we gave them for over two years is irrelevant"

    Didn't work for Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily, so I have no clue why anyone would think it'll work for Scoville and Traffic Monsoon
    I have no idea what Chuko The Sharer is going on about. Scoville shared 3X the amount of money he had available to share and every pack sold only put him further in debt. (AKA Ponzi for the cheap seats)

    That not withstanding:


    A. If Scoville and the other pimps weren't deleting dissenting opinions there would be a much stronger case they actually believe what they're saying.

    B. People all over the web being recruited in a similar fashion is extremely problematic. Unless of course Scoville shut down these accounts and refunded money since people misunderstood they were buying ds.

    50 per day guaranteed.JPG

    C. It's hard to juxtapose "people were just buying a service" with a "service" that returned 110% therefore didn't cost a thing. Scoville failed to deliver 90% of the ads people purchased, which makes one wonder why they continued to buy if not for the "profit" they thought they were clicking for. Unbeknownst to them "profit" existed only in some back office fantasy land. Further killing his own narrative with posts like this.

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    D. "In the US, a contract for illegal conduct is not enforceable. Such contracts are void, as if they never existed at all. Only a fool would sue to enforce an illegal contract, since that person would likely be admitting to illegal conduct or attempt at illegal conduct in his efforts to enforce it." https://www.quora.com/If-someone-wer...g-the-contract




    Then again, when you lie through your teeth, all things are possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoville is lying
    If Traffic Monsoon wins, everyone who has earned something can be paid what they have earned-- and the business can move forward.
    dear scott and allison my members are screwed.JPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scoville is lying
    If Traffic Monsoon wins, everyone who has earned something can be paid what they have earned-- and the business can move forward.
    lol. he just can't make up his mind.

    Q: so when it comes out of pending , will they be credited for the revenue that should have been shared with them during that intervening period?

    Scamville: No, it would be impossible to do that.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bestbud View Post
    Anyone dumb enough to put money in to this having seen the SEC files, deserves everything they'll get/lose.

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    To the extent TM + is truly being run by non US citizens and not soliciting funds from US investors Sharon would be correct, absent those items wrong as usual.

    Sharon got you in this mess James.JPG

    Under this interpretation, application of the registration provisions of the U.S. securities laws depends on whether Internet offers, solicitations or other communications are targeted to the United States.

    This interpretation does not address the anti-fraud and anti-manipulation provisions of the securities laws, which will continue to reach all Internet activities that satisfy the relevant jurisdictional tests. Even in the absence of sales in the United States, we will take appropriate enforcement action whenever we believe that fraudulent or manipulative Internet activities have originated in the United States or placed U.S. investors at risk.

    https://www.sec.gov/rules/interp/33-7516.htm


    Thus far the SEC is the only government body that caught on to the TM scam or bothered to take appropriate action. Avoiding their watchful eye hardly seems a boon for investors.
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    So Sharon let me get this straight. TM+ is a legal entity, but yet the founders have to remain anonymous. As Ribshaw has said, it makes no difference WHERE the business is located, as long as US citizens participate, the US has jurisdiction. Your anonymous founders should know this. So now is TM+ going to copy MAP and not allow US citizens to participate? You know the wink-wink, nod-nod type of US citizens are not allowed to participate? Why can't you give a date on how long it will take for TM+ to pay? If TM+ is a copy of TM, that length of time is 45-55 days. So why won't TM+ be the same?

    But if you think the people behind TM+ will remain anonymous, I have a bridge to sell you. A lot of crowing for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    So Sharon let me get this straight. TM+ is a legal entity, but yet the founders have to remain anonymous. As Ribshaw has said, it makes no difference WHERE the business is located, as long as US citizens participate, the US has jurisdiction. Your anonymous founders should know this. So now is TM+ going to copy MAP and not allow US citizens to participate? You know the wink-wink, nod-nod type of US citizens are not allowed to participate? Why can't you give a date on how long it will take for TM+ to pay? If TM+ is a copy of TM, that length of time is 45-55 days. So why won't TM+ be the same?

    But if you think the people behind TM+ will remain anonymous, I have a bridge to sell you. A lot of crowing for nothing.
    Hey, here's a plan for these lame-brains! How about an item in the TOS excluding police officers, SEC officials, or any enforcement officials? That has worked so well in the past! NOT!
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    I checked out Charles' parents donate page to see if they showed the amount of donations they had received, but it didn't. But it did have this to say which I found very interesting, and I quote;

    "How to donate

    Welcome and thank you for coming to help! Every contribution helps!

    THE NEED: The Scoville Legal Defense Fund has been created to allow people to contribute funds that will be used to pay legal fees for Charles David Scoville related to Securities and Exchange Commission v. Traffic Monsoon et al, Case # 2:16-cv-00832. Charles will not own or control these funds as they will be sent directly to his legal team from this fund. The SEC seized all of Charles’ business and personal funds, and therefore, has no funds for his defense without support.

    HOW TO DONATE: Please wire your contributions to:

    Scoville Legal Defense Fund
    BBVA Compass Bank
    11210 Huron St.
    Northglenn, CO 80234

    Routing number: 107005319
    Account number: 6740871364
    SWIFT code: CAPSUS44

    THE ASSUMPTION WITH YOUR DONATION: Contributions less than $14,000 a year will be a classified as a gift. Contributions greater than or equal to $14,000 a year will be classified as an interest-free loan. It is unlikely Charles will be able to repay this loan, so it should be considered a bad debt for tax purposes.

    Thank you!"


    What interested me is the last sentence. Doesn't sound to convincing that Charles will win his case. For if he did, Charles would have all the money he needed to pay back the interest free loan of $14,000 or more. That line alone would make me stop and think before donating. Why would I want to donate to a cause that the parties involved do not believe they can win? I thought the SEC actions was a gross miscarriage of justice? Sure doesn't sound that way does it.
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    Ya think everybody knows that even if he wins this case, there ain't enough money to pay back the loans and what is owed to invest...errr affiliates?
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I checked out Charles' parents donate page to see if they showed the amount of donations they had received, but it didn't. But it did have this to say which I found very interesting, and I quote;

    "How to donate

    Welcome and thank you for coming to help! Every contribution helps!

    THE NEED: The Scoville Legal Defense Fund has been created to allow people to contribute funds that will be used to pay legal fees for Charles David Scoville related to Securities and Exchange Commission v. Traffic Monsoon et al, Case # 2:16-cv-00832. Charles will not own or control these funds as they will be sent directly to his legal team from this fund. The SEC seized all of Charles’ business and personal funds, and therefore, has no funds for his defense without support.

    HOW TO DONATE: Please wire your contributions to:

    Scoville Legal Defense Fund
    BBVA Compass Bank
    11210 Huron St.
    Northglenn, CO 80234

    Routing number: 107005319
    Account number: 6740871364
    SWIFT code: CAPSUS44

    THE ASSUMPTION WITH YOUR DONATION: Contributions less than $14,000 a year will be a classified as a gift. Contributions greater than or equal to $14,000 a year will be classified as an interest-free loan. It is unlikely Charles will be able to repay this loan, so it should be considered a bad debt for tax purposes.

    Thank you!"


    What interested me is the last sentence. Doesn't sound to convincing that Charles will win his case. For if he did, Charles would have all the money he needed to pay back the interest free loan of $14,000 or more. That line alone would make me stop and think before donating. Why would I want to donate to a cause that the parties involved do not believe they can win? I thought the SEC actions was a gross miscarriage of justice? Sure doesn't sound that way does it.
    It's a get out clause to run away with the money and not give it back.

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    false advertising again. pretty wacky for 'an advertising company'. should be name traffic monsoon minus (even more of your money) lollerz!
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    So, what should we tell the bank to let them know that that account is handling the tainted proceeds of crime?
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    Anybody got a tissue handy??.....I think Ernie Ganz is about to cry.....

    From Sunil Patels page....

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    I had to let go of 20 employees from my call center because of SEC thank you USA government
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    In breaking "Revolution Day" news......

    The revolution has a website......LMFAO.....


    We Are Not Investors! REVOLUTION DAY
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    Ernie had to let 20 employees go because of Charles. Ernie won't start hating his so called brother Charles until he sees his name on the Receivership list for clawbacks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    In breaking "Revolution Day" news......

    The revolution has a website......LMFAO.....


    We Are Not Investors! REVOLUTION DAY
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    LMAO! he thinks this shindig is going to last 6 HOURS! LMAO!
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    ONCE AGAIN. If your not investors, there is no money.

    Also, they do understand that its odd & useless to protest the SEC in the wrong country?
    It makes as much sense as a rally vs the Politburo on that pier.
    "the owner seems really confident and even promises this one won't be going anywhere"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    LMAO! he thinks this shindig is going to last 6 HOURS! LMAO!
    Be lucky if 3 men and a dog turn up to this....LMAO....
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    They are going to meet for dinner and cry in their beer after they get done pissing in the wind on the pier...

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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    Be lucky if 3 men and a dog turn up to this....LMAO....
    It will be the same krewe that went to Sunils TM meetings on saturdays.
    100 plus could be realistic.
    "the owner seems really confident and even promises this one won't be going anywhere"

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    It's highly likely that Ernie Ganz is running TM Plus...

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