Thread: What exactly makes neobux a scam?

I always do my due diligence to research any money making opportunity that I come across.

I term a scam something that requires an investment of money. You can work neobux with no money.

I saw a few threads scattered around these boards about this subject. If my question is already answered I apologize, I don't have the stamina at the moment to forage.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

I term a scam something that requires an investment of money. You can work neobux with no money.

So, where does the money come from to pay you, then ??

You don't consider it a scam when some one lies to you ??

It has been repeatedly proven in court that being paid more than a small percent of a cent for "viewing ads" is not "work" meaning the money must be coming from somewhere else, usually ponzi fashion from the fees paid by others.

That doesn't say "scam" to you ??

Impossible to achieve earnings claims don't say "scam" to you ???

At NeoBux you get paid just for
browsing our advertisers' websites.

"You get paid just for browsing websites" Eh ??

HOW ?

How much are they charging the advertisers so they can afford to pay all these "free" members ??

Originally Posted by littleroundman

It has been repeatedly proven in court that being paid more than a small percent of a cent for "viewing ads" is not "work" meaning the money must be coming from somewhere else, usually ponzi fashion from the fees paid by others.

Could you post more info on those court cases,please?

Thank You.

Impossible to achieve earnings claims don't say "scam" to you ???

LOL, anyone who says they're can make hundreds(or even tens of dollars) per day in a matter of weeks or months of joining is lying.It is practically and mathematically impossible to make that much money from Neobux ,even if you have lady luck bidding your every desires.

HOW ?

How much are they charging the advertisers so they can afford to pay all these "free" members ??

Free user makes only 0.1 cent per-click, normally.Coupled with the type of "ads" and "sites" that they're have to browse I have little problem believing that those came from external advertisers

I don't recall any investment required in Neobux(from my experience using the site) .Unless you're talking about renting referrals

Neobux ( like many other PTCs) allows you to rent referrals although this is rarely a good idea . User is paid based on the amount of specific links that the rented referral.They also sell upgrade "packages" that allows said user more options in managing their rented referrals .This is where there point of consternation may arise.There is little transparency in the distribution of the rented referrals or their clicks.There are even accusations that these RR and clicks are bot or don't even exists,that the whole system is just another money game to keep funds within the system.Of course there haven't been anyone(that I know of) that have provided any solid reason why this might be true.

Originally Posted by Nourjan

Could you post more info on those court cases,please?

Thank You.

S.E.C. Bowdoin indictment



S.E.C. Charis Johnson / 12Daily Pro Litigation release



Neobux thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum

Originally Posted by littleroundman

S.E.C. Bowdoin indictment



S.E.C. Charis Johnson / 12Daily Pro Litigation release

Those doesn't seem to share any similarity with how Neobux functions at all.As I said there is no investment required .Even if people rent referrals(something that I strongly advise against ,in most cases )there is no guarantee of income .

Originally Posted by Nourjan

there is no guarantee of income .

Funny,

that was one of Andy Bowdoins' catch cries and one of the main reasons his supporters thought ASD was legit.

I wouldn't necessarily classify Neobux as a "scam" in the same league as Banners Broker.

The fact it has had its' own threads on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums doesn't do much for its' reputation and some of the claims of income being made don't help either.

Without looking too deeply, the "pay extra to earn more" aspect of Neobux is troubling, as is the "rent a referral" you mentioned.

Originally Posted by Nourjan

Free user makes only 0.1 cent per-click, normally.Coupled with the type of "ads" and "sites" that they're have to browse I have little problem believing that those came from external advertisers

I came really late to the dance on the PPC stuff in terms of the scam world, I sort of get what BB claims to be doing, but not fully. For my edification, advertisers at some level are paying for ads, say for work boots. Are they not doing so with the expectation that the ads will be placed and viewed by people who are interested in work boots? I may buy one pair of work boots a year, so paying me to click on ads for work boots all day does what?

Even if the money is real to the clicker, what is the end game for the organization making the payment?

Does driving fake traffic make advertisers pay for something they should not be paying for?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Funny,



The fact it has had its' own threads on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums doesn't do much for its' reputation and some of the claims of income being made don't help either.

Without looking too deeply, the "pay extra to earn more" aspect of Neobux is troubling, as is the "rent a referral" you mentioned.

I agree.That is something that I commonly brought up when discussing Neobux or any other PTCs.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I came really late to the dance on the PPC stuff in terms of the scam world, I sort of get what BB claims to be doing, but not fully. For my edification, advertisers at some level are paying for ads, say for work boots. Are they not doing so with the expectation that the ads will be placed and viewed by people who are interested in work boots? I may buy one pair of work boots a year, so paying me to click on ads for work boots all day does what?

Even if the money is real to the clicker, what is the end game for the organization making the payment?

Does driving fake traffic make advertisers pay for something they should not be paying for?

Not really, I have never encountered that type of ads on Neobux(although I'm not sure if other experience the same).Most of the ones I encountered are recruiting pages for other types of "opportunities".Other PTCs(both real and fake), ponzis,pyramids, scamminars ,"trading",gambling,email capture page,people offering "secrets "of untold wealth etc(you name it, they got it).

I guess the rational is if you're the type to click on a .01 cent ad ,you're are more likely to buy into what ever these people will be trying to push.

BTW, paying some one to click on the ads on the sites is considered to be clickfraud by most PTC(including Neobux) and no PTC worth their salt would allow this.Having a fraud website on the other hand(like I state above) is quite permissible

Thanks that makes a little more sense.

I don't know why but it makes me think about the guy outside the casino with a stack of chips claiming he was just kicked out. Then he offers to sell them to you at half price since he has no way of cashing them in.

The money to pay the members comes from the advertisers. Charge advertiser $0.02 per click pay member $0.01 per click and keep the rest. The pay neobux to earn even more money can work in the long run, but they don't actually give you a spreadsheet so you can figure out the risk. It's up to the buyer to figure out the risk before spending their money.

I would say the vast majority of admins might not have the intention to run a scam website but they go into a real business without any business knowledge and bad advice from the internet. The pricing model with rented referrals, direct referrals, upgrade options, and paid promotions is complex. The admin / member has to make a lot of assumptions when first starting out and continuously adjust specifically to their own membership and advertisers.

If we're going to make neobux responsible than you have to drag every single media that show advertising into the same mix. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, Radio, TV, Whatever. They have some guidelines but it's not their responsibility to confirm whether an advertiser's offer conforms to FTC rules or not.

Would LOVE for the media to be responsible for confirming the presence of FTC regulated disclaimers and warnings. But that isn't the regulated case right now.

I ask because the only thing I have invested in neobux is time and sheer patience and its starting to pay off

I am making $3 a day just doing crowdsourcing.

I can re-invest that into referral renting and get a daily income sent into my paypal whenever I want.

Call me crazy but I think this is either a brilliant scam, or legit. Im addicted.


Also it is interesting to note that ad.fly traffic is of worse quality than neobux. Traffic can also be used to improve alexa rating as well.

Neobux is large enough to be effective for advertisers and good spot for microjobs (crowdsourcing). Nothing wrong with chipping away at it.
Renting referrals is peddled as very profitable....anyone i know who has done it in bulk has lost a bit. Hard clickers are very rare.
Why would neobux rent them? They rent you stiffs or maybe bots.

I dont expect Neobux to close up, but still take your $ out everytime you hit the minimum.

I'm in a trafficwave downline builder. (I use the trafficwave auto responder big time for my brick and mortar business)
I click and do a few jobs on Neobux everyday and use it for advertising on the site. 3 years=no issues.

The actual 'BUX' model is 99 times out of 100 a pyramid/scam in the PTC context. (NOT the proper noun Neobux)
Bux is to PTC as forex, advertising, oil, bridge loans, etc are to programs... (a ponzi)

Originally Posted by Fendaril

I ask because the only thing I have invested in neobux is time and sheer patience and its starting to pay off

I am making $3 a day just doing crowdsourcing.

I can re-invest that into referral renting and get a daily income sent into my paypal whenever I want.

Call me crazy but I think this is either a brilliant scam, or legit. Im addicted.


Also it is interesting to note that ad.fly traffic is of worse quality than neobux. Traffic can also be used to improve alexa rating as well.

I actually do make money renting referrals in Neobux.It does takes lots(and I do mean lots and lots) of effort and micromanagement to squeeze profit out of them,practically a full time job that is (with less payout).Unless you are that committed you're liable to lose money on your rented referrals and if you're that good with analysis and micro management chances you're can get a better career elsewhere.Frankly,it is hardly worth it for most people(you're be better off with a 9-5 job).

Agreed that vast majority of bux sites turn to scam. I don't quite know if it's intentional or people are simply clueless about pricing model and end up running out of money. 50% responsibility to members who spend money unwisely.

Does anyone doing this get temped to buy anything from the ads they are clicking?

A few weeks back I was reading a full page ad on some guys trading system to turn pennies into dollars. On one hand I kept thinking nonsense, but there is this other part of me that wanted to send the $39.95 just to see what he was up to.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Does anyone doing this get temped to buy anything from the ads they are clicking?

A few weeks back I was reading a full page ad on some guys trading system to turn pennies into dollars. On one hand I kept thinking nonsense, but there is this other part of me that wanted to send the $39.95 just to see what he was up to.

yes.

These ads are made from time tested sales psychology practiced for decades. Nobody is immune.

Without a doubt. The psychological triggers they use are effective. I spent a long time stuck in the sales funnels of Warrior Forum marketers until I took some of their own Copy Writing training. Plus a few outside courses on conversion optimization. When I learned about how to write copy from their perspective, I finally woke up.

All / Most newbies get caught in that web for a while.