Thread: Working with Motor club of America

i just told a hopefull newbie about this as an online marketer and knowing the game. i just broke his heart and i know it.

a partial of my email.
I'm actually one of the type of guys your trying to work this out for. I'm above their level even in mindset as I seen their website & they seemed shady!
Us internet marketers know these tricks in videos, adding fake followers, adding video likes on youTube and can hire people to give fake reviews, ect.

The online world is full of deception. So ..
I know you werent expecting that, but I wanted you to know.. before you go pouring your heart into this bud.
There is hope out there!

I sold websites, created my own, sold ads, made real good money but it all took time for me to learn as I was in your shoes back in 2001.

I just responded to a rock band asking to create 1million youtube views for their videos, True! you see allot of it is not real.

But we make it look real. also in real life becarefull when buying things and reading online reviews. those can be faked too.
your walking a little on the dark side its up to you if you want to make money or wish....

I left allot out but I hate kowing this stuff in wich I found out the hard way as i learned. I cannot let another duped real or not.
God bless us all in this messed up world.

On the topic of MCA i almost signed up with them, Until i found out that they deduct almost 5.00 out of your commission of 80 dollars if someone cancels their membership! So basically all your hard work goes down the toilet? And they keep deducting that fee until it's all paid back! Very unfair business practices! And should be looked into. Iam a marketer for a legit company and they pay all their commissions out and would not do such a unfair thing.

Here are some of the videos with misleading titles:
MCA IS A SCAM!!!!!!! OMG I CANT BELEIVE IT!!! - YouTube
MCA TVC MARKETING IS A SCAM!!!! $39.90 turns into $1276.00 IN 1 week!!!! - YouTube
[WARNING] Motor Club of America a SCAM? If you THOUGHT it was a SCAM, you're RIGHT!! (8/31/2012) - YouTube

Welcome to REALSCAM.com aislesofiles

Originally Posted by aislesoffiles

You CAN sign up as an associate for free, sell the benefits packages and earn commissions.

In that one sentence, you have pointed out why serious potential MLMers should avoid MCA like the plague and why the internet is filled with get-rich-quickers touting MCA as being the next big thing

The fact you CAN sign up for free and CAN base earnings on recruiting is major red flag #1 for potential recruits and a major no no as far as the authorities are concerned.

If MCA doesn't move to quickly close the loophole which is allowing endless chain recruiting to happen, then that in itself is further evidence MCA is a company to be avoided by anyone contemplating joining.

Forget about the law for a minute, endless chain recruiting is illegal BECAUSE it doesn't work and BECAUSE it guarantees people low down the chain lose money.

MCA is definitely one for get-rich-quickers and definitely one to be avoided by anyone else.

Great thread guys. I love it. Good research, I have even learned from this thread.

If, you can sign up as a Sales associates without paying fee and be paid a commission to market their services that is Just like a Normal sales job. Commission based Job Not a Pyramid Scheme.

The reason why some associates promote the money and income potential is the same with any other marketing system and they is because the potential is there.
When Amway, Mary Kay and other various companies have a hotel meeting they promote the aspects of freedom, working from home and the ability to make a great income.

I hope I do not seem bias because I am a affiliate just joined a couple of months ago the highest pay out I have received for one week was just under $2000 but, I have used the service and it works just great in fact. I asked the company that came out and they said they also dispatch for AAA, All State and 8 other companies. What I promote about the company is the benefits then the income every does not want to sale service.

This is not a scheme, scam or a Ponzi but, real life, real services, helping real people.

Another gigantic reason to avoid MCA like bubonic plague... this man is promoting it:
http://www.facebook.com/phil.miranda...07438016032873


He was the spokesperson for both The People's Program and for ProfusionX when those gifting pyramids started up, and he still promotes and participates in the former. The Facebook group that I bumped into him on? It's a 2010blessings recruitment site. So he and his flunkies may be jumping en mass into that scam, too.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Another gigantic reason to avoid MCA like bubonic plague... this man is promoting it:
http://www.facebook.com/phil.miranda...07438016032873


He was the spokesperson for both The People's Program and for ProfusionX when those gifting pyramids started up, and he still promotes and participates in the former. The Facebook group that I bumped into him on? It's a 2010blessings recruitment site. So he and his flunkies may be jumping en mass into that scam, too.

Just because one guys promotes it does not deed it a scam or a scheme, your hatred for that individual has flawed your logic my friend.

Originally Posted by wiineedmore

Just because one guys promotes it does not deed it a scam or a scheme, your hatred for that individual has flawed your logic my friend.

Past history does indeed predict future actions!

Interesting conversation.

Anyway, since we're all preaching "verification," I guess we should all take a moment to verify the accusation that associates only earn from recruitment and that there is no retail aspect to the business. These two aspects are essential for it to be a pyramid scheme, and that is as stated by the FTC.

If research had been completed, one would see that an associate earns from both recruitment and consumer sales. The viable target market for the product is at least 153 million, the drivers of America according to US data. And a customer can go to the TVC website without clicking a sponsor link and purchase the product directly, without joining anyone's downline, or can purchase from an associate without ever joining the associate program, or without even ever logging into their account.

That's just some quick info. A full compilation of comparisons of MCA to the FTC's own properties of a pyramid scheme has been put together by me at this pastebin: Motor Club of America Information - Pastebin.com

Good day.

Originally Posted by artizhay

If research had been completed, one would see that an associate earns from both recruitment and consumer sales.

So, if an "associate" earns 1% of his/her income from "sales" and 99% of his/her income from "recruitment" that would be OK by you, then ???

SMART potential MCA recruits won't believe a "nudge, wink" compliance with the FTC regulations is an indicator of legitimacy.

Get-rich-quickers, on the other hand, will continue to spruik the benefits of endless chain recruiting, MCA style.

The problem is the very fact Motor Club of America members CAN earn based largely on recruiting and the MCA refuses to close the loophole in their business model which allows endless chain recruiting to take place.

Endless chain / pyramid schemes are illegal because they don't work for most participants and are based on lies and misrepresentation.

Participate at your own peril.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

So, if an "associate" earns 1% of his/her income from "sales" and 99% of his/her income from "recruitment" that would be OK by you, then ???

SMART potential MCA recruits won't believe a "nudge, wink" compliance with the FTC regulations is an indicator of legitimacy.

Get-rich-quickers, on the other hand, will continue to spruik the benefits of endless chain recruiting, MCA style.

The problem is the very fact Motor Club of America members CAN earn based largely on recruiting and the MCA refuses to close the loophole in their business model which allows endless chain recruiting to take place.

Endless chain / pyramid schemes are illegal because they don't work for most participants and are based on lies and misrepresentation.

Participate at your own peril.

The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions. MCA itself does not push recruitment like many MLM company leaders do.

Regardless, our discussions here are rather futile. Take Herbalife for example, which also has extreme potential from recruitment-backed income. Publicly traded company with real investors, and hedge fund managers can't even decide if it's a pyramid scheme or not, with one hedge fund buying shares of HLF to support its legitimacy.

So if prominent players in the financial field can't even agree on the legality of MLM, this thread - and frankly, maybe even the forum - is quite unnecessary, considering it would be unwise anyway to take legal advice on a forum from someone you don't even know, including myself.

Originally Posted by artizhay

The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions. MCA itself does not push recruitment like many MLM company leaders do.

Regardless, our discussions here are rather futile. Take Herbalife for example, which also has extreme potential from recruitment-backed income. Publicly traded company with real investors, and hedge fund managers can't even decide if it's a pyramid scheme or not, with one hedge fund buying shares of HLF to support its legitimacy.

So if prominent players in the financial field can't even agree on the legality of MLM, this thread - and frankly, maybe even the forum - is quite unnecessary, considering it would be unwise anyway to take legal advice on a forum from someone you don't even know, including myself.

After carefully reading this post, Christmas Turkey comes to my mind. Just my humble opinion! Yep! Christmas Turkey!

Originally Posted by artizhay

The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions.

YOUR situation is irrelevant to the question of whether or not MCA is a legitimate opportunity.

The very fact MCA members CAN profit mainly from recruitment is the red flag raised for people looking for a long term income opportunity.

"Pyramid" or "endless chain recruiting" schemes are illegal for a reason, not just because some regulator doesn't like the idea.

"Pyramid" or "endless chain recruiting" are guaranteed to fail AND the great majority of members will lose their money ESPECIALLY those such as you whose interest lies in product sales.

The fact MCA is heavily promoted on HYIP ponzi forums should also be another red flag for the astute potential member.

Legality aside, by participating in any MLM in which recruiting is allowed to remain as a primary income source, members are virtually condemning THEMSELVES to a futile struggle to make any sort of sustainable income.

IOW, if anyone is looking for a get-rich-quick scheme, MCA is right up their alley.

On the other hand, anyone looking for a legitimate MLM business would be well advised to stay clear.

I can't believe that this forum has been going on about Motor Club of America being a scam. Just like I tell other forums, if you think its a scam 1) Don't join 2) Call the proper authorities i.e., Attorney General, Federal Trade Commission, or other agency or bureau that you believe can shut them down, 3) prove that it is a scam so this thread can end. Do you people realize that all while this forum has been spreading false lies about its scam, PEOPLE STILL GET PAID EVERY FRIDAY; If you don't join, PEOPLE STILL GET PAID. The program has been out since what, late 2011. Just imagine if you all would have got in on the ground floor, you wouldn't have time on your hands to be having a discussion about it being a scam. SCARED MONEY DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY!

Now Discuss that!

Anyone in the U.S or Canada can be an associate and sell MCA. For FREE. Just click on "Become An Associate". Duh,obviously most people can not see this when they visit the TVC site. It is your fault if you do not. Don't blame the associate who got you to buy a membership if you didn't really want it.

With that said, yes its a SCAM to the general public. Why? No MASS MEDIA ADVERTISING. No PROFILE on BIG WEBSITES. Not BBB accredited (which in fact BBB has been reported as a guess what.....SCAM) Google that for starters. But no one talks about that when saying MCA or TVC isn't accredited with the BBB.

MCA nor TVC charges a fee to be an associate. Associates say that. Why? Well, mention $$$ and you'll actually look at what the service offers. On the other hand, not everyone cares if they can make money with a company. In fact, look at Sprint and its referal program. $25 per person you refer to switch to Sprint. But heres the catch, ONLY if you have the SPRINT service can you do this. Wait a minute, they charge to be an affiliate? Why aren't people calling them a scam on that level? BIG COMPANY,PAID ADVERTISING, consumers don't care. But its a RED FLAG when MCA TVC pays its associate to refer others to the service? REALLY?

MCA is a real product. If you like the service and decide to share it to others.....GO AHEAD. Earn money from it or not.

Chargebacks??? Yes they are there. But for what? Well if you werent paid an advanced commission, you would only make $4-$9 per referral.But since you are advanced, that goes to protecting the company if someone cancels early. Sure they can still lose money if an associate has charge backs on their account and they aren't generating any sales or just stop trying completely. I guess the SCAM concern is mainly because they give you advanced commission's right and not the standard?

Simply put, you do not have to join anything you do not want to. If you don't like the service or compensation.....STAY AWAY. If you want to attempt to prove its a scam, GO AHEAD...why not go viral with it if you're actually concerned for others.

You want the service? BUY IT. You can also be an associate IF you want while using the service.
Want to be an associate? SIGN UP. Check your back-office for sales support with TRAINING tips in .pdf format. Locate the proper license forms, get the W-9 form and associate form, read it over, sign it/fill out and send it in.

Peace & Bless.

William W. Green, 92 - Founded Motor Club - NYTimes.com

Originally Posted by xxxmasterofselfxx

yada,

yada,

justify,

rationalize,

lay blame,

distract.

If an "associate" CAN profit mainly from recruitment, it's both illegal and guaranteed to fail.

Get-rich-quickers will be attracted by the fact they can profit solely by recruiting,

smart and ethical people will not.



YOU decide if you want to be a get-rich-quicker or ethical and smart.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

If an "associate" CAN profit mainly from recruitment, it's both illegal and guaranteed to fail.

Get-rich-quickers will be attracted by the fact they can profit solely by recruiting,

smart and ethical people will not.



YOU decide if you want to be a get-rich-quicker or ethical and smart.

Guaranteed to fail? Well, I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services. Me thinks you however, is in a state of denial.

Originally Posted by GeminiDogg

Guaranteed to fail? Well, I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services. Me thinks you however, is in a state of denial.

You really should read about Zeek Rewards, ASD Cash Generator, TelexFree to see how lame your logic is regarding this illegal pyramid. It is no different than all the other illegal pyramids that have failed or been shut down by the authorities.

You seem to think that all one has to do is report them to the authorities and they come running to shut a program down, Investigations take time, and they have to have enough people filing complaints for them to take action. The mere fact they have not YET, does not mean they won't in the future; nor does it mean this is a legal program. All any of you pimps of MCA have managed to do is provide bluster, obfuscation, smoke and mirrors straight out of the Scammers Playbook.

In the scheme of things, MCA is nothing more than a flea floating down the river on its back with an erection yelling "Raise the drawbridge." That's how insginificant MCA is to the authorities. They have far bigger fish to fry than this joke of a program. The old adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted," will soon play out here all by itself. No help needed from the "evil government."

You seem to be mistaken that those of us here are newbs and don't know any better, and you think you can BS your way to make us believe your BS. Think again.

Originally Posted by GeminiDogg

I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services.

Which means what ??

* Because YOU are making money, it's legitimate ??

* Because SOMEONE is making money it's legitimate ??

* Because YOU aren't using recruiting as your main income source, it's legitimate ??

Let's take your premise to it's legitimate conclusion, shall we ??

Let's say you and two of your friends are "making money by signing up members" and 200,000 other people are "making money by signing others into an endless chain recruiting / pyramid scheme" would MCA still be legitimate ??

Take it a step further,

Let's say you and two of your friends are "making money by signing up members" and 200,000 other people are "making money by signing others into an endless chain recruiting / pyramid " and MCA did nothing to prevent the imbalance, would MCA still be legitimate ??

Originally Posted by GeminiDogg

But its apparently that you're just simply too gutless to have a one-on-one debate with me about MCA;

Nah,

it's a lot more simple than me being "gutless"

I just don't care what you think.

I'm posting for those readers who are considering joining MCA and looking for more information than a multitude of "I got paid" posts from get-rich-quickers and the HYIP ponzi crowd.

MLM companies that not only allow, but actively encourage "endless chain recruiting" in their membership notoriously don't end well for the great majority of members, and, even more importantly by far the greatest majority of members will NEVER break even, despite their best efforts.

Throw in the fact MCA is one of the current darlings of the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums such as Talkgold and MMG, and you can almost hear the footsteps of legitimate MLMers running away in droves.

Originally Posted by jweidow

Check Out These Benefits Include:

- Emergency Roadside Assistance- Free towing 100 miles
- $80 Per Referral Brought In( 19.95 plan- Best plan)
- $500 Arrest Bond Certificate
- $2,000 In Attorney Fees
- $25,000 Bail Bond/Felony
- 24 Hour Coverage If Injured
- Travel Assistance/Trip Planning
- $500 Emergency Room Cash
- $5,000 Stolen Vehicle Reward
- Up to a 65% Discount On Prescriptions
-Up to a 50% Discount on Dental & Vision
- $50,000 Accidental Death
- $1,000 Credit Card Protection
- $54,750 In Hospital Coverage Paid Directly To You

I was flipping through the tread, and one thing came to mind what does a consumer membership cost? I did not see it quoted, but from Ripoff Report | Motor Club of America (MCA) www.mcamotorclubofamerica.com Complaint Review Internet: 977330 the best I can come up with is $9.99 per month. $120 a year. I just renewed my AAA membership which has similar benefits for $79. For $20 or more I could have upgraded to the super duper plan with even more crap I don't need.

When I was in high school and college and drove a crappy car, and cars were in general broke down more than they do today AAA was worth it. Lately, not so much. Other than towing and roadside assistance the rest of those benefits cost almost nothing to administer. Just picking on one, "Hospital Coverage" the benefit is $150 per day you are an inpatient in the hospital. The chances of someone spending 365 days in the hospital, almost 0. And I suspect this confinement has some exclusions, like say accident related.

As with many "programs" the commission paid to all these folks has to come from somewhere. In this case $120-$79 = $41 excess paid over the "value" of a membership. I just don't know of too many businesses other than MLM that operate with that model. And therein lies the problem for most that undertake this venture.

Now Ribshaw don't go confusing gemindogg with facts. After all, MCA has to charge a ton more for the same services so they can pay all the layers of affiliates to sell their over-priced service. Are we sure they aren't really called Motor Cult of America?

Since MCA is such a great deal, I think AAA should immediately stop their current program and switch to MCA's program. Just think how richer everyone would be. Since I know the President of AAA, I will give him a call and tell him about the error of his ways and he is not using the right business model. I am sure he will want to change their business model immediately.

Of course he could also think I have lost my marbles and when he stops laughing ask me if I need meds.

Better yet, MCA can just charge the larger amount, sign the mark up for AAA and pocket the difference!

Arguing with real facts is hardly required, is it?

Kshang, you don't know anything about facts if it hits you in the face.