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    Working with Motor club of America

    Motor Club of America provides Auto Benefits outside of your insurance company. Have you ever broken down on the side of the road?
    Booked a vacation or travel plans through the airline? Ordered a Prescription? Have you every been paid to purchase any of these?
    Learn about how you can benefit financially by doing the same things you are already doing and get paid each and every week!
    Cover your family and Secure your future.......

    Check Out These Benefits Include:

    - Emergency Roadside Assistance- Free towing 100 miles
    - $80 Per Referral Brought In( 19.95 plan- Best plan)
    - $500 Arrest Bond Certificate
    - $2,000 In Attorney Fees
    - $25,000 Bail Bond/Felony
    - 24 Hour Coverage If Injured
    - Travel Assistance/Trip Planning
    - $500 Emergency Room Cash
    - $5,000 Stolen Vehicle Reward
    - Up to a 65% Discount On Prescriptions
    -Up to a 50% Discount on Dental & Vision
    - $50,000 Accidental Death
    - $1,000 Credit Card Protection
    - $54,750 In Hospital Coverage Paid Directly To You

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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    And given how many serial Ponzi-hoppers and cash gifters are jumping onto this programme's bandwagon, I'd wager that there is something shady behind the scenes that you aren't telling us. That kind of marketer showing up in droves says that something dishonest is afoot.
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    Sorry you feel that way, there is nothing me or anybody else can say to change your mind. So do your own research, if you can find where it is a scam that when you purchase a product yourself and see how it works, because I have broke down and had MCA help me out. show me proof that it is a scam.

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    I work hard to put this in front of people. There is no cash gifting ponzi scheme about this company and I think it is very rude to label something if you have no proof. By you saying stuff like that you take away from people actually having a legit work at home situation. Im new to this forum and I already see what you will run into on these forums.

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    If you bothered to read, what I said wasn't that the programme was a scam in itself, but that the kind of folks who flock to scams in preference to honest opportunities are moving to it like a plague of locusts. Ergo, something isn't right about it, otherwise these people wouldn't be attracted to it.
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    the reason people flock to it is because it is legit, and I have made money and people I know have made money, Also the benefits are real, It is so cheap it beats out AAA in benefits. That is why people run to this opportunity, Small investment pretty good income. I'm sorry I did not understand you the first time. I apologize

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    So what was your http://www.automatedmoneysystem.org website before you made it into a re-direct to your girlfriend's MCA page, John?

    Taking a few looks around the Internet, you're spewing about this program like a newly converted Christian in the throes of ecstasy without the first clue as to what his new-found savior actually teaches. You're also spouting off on Solavei, just joined IBOToolbox, and your Empower Network blog left me shaking my head. Perhaps I should take MCA up on their anti-spam policy and point out all the places you advertised Miss Hochberg's sign-up page. Some of them definitely did not comply with the rules of the websites you used. Youtube, for example.
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    So why did you post here in the first place, John? The site is set up to either call out scams or for people to ask if something is a scam.

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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    Behind MLM has this - but it looks like they are talking about a 3rd party recruitment system for MCA and not MCA itself:
    TVC Matrix Review: Motor club and recruitment | BehindMLM

    From BehindMLM.com

    "The Motor Club of America (MCA) are an auto club and provide mostly roadside assistance via monthly membership, they are also owned by TVC Matrix’s owner, Virgil Coffee."
    Again, From BehindMLM.com
    "With no retailable products or services and no distinction between TVC Matrix members and MCA members, that right there is pretty much your textbook definition of a pyramid scheme. Unless members recruit new members and those new members pay an ongoing membership fee, nobody gets paid."

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    Because for once in my life I trully believe in what Im posting thats why And for the automatedmoneysystem.org I created because it was a very catchy name especially for people looking for at home opps. and before it was directed to another page which was a free training video, I have been nothing but honest so if you are here just to ruin people be my guessed, I didnt know it was illegal to share info sorry

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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    Quote Originally Posted by jweidow View Post
    I didnt know it was illegal to share info sorry
    Illegal or not illegal, what you're doing is just plain bloody stupid.

    If you simply can't see or are consciously avoiding the multitude of warnings signs and red flags, so be it.

    You cannot expect, however to be able to do so and then expect members of a forum named REALSCAM.com to allow you to post unchallenged.

    Oh, and, by the way, what's with the "I didnt know it was illegal to share info, sorry" c**p ??? What, did you REALLY expect to be able to post your poorly disguised spam and get away with it ??

    Good luck with that marketing strategy

    Get used to it, you and your lady are competing with a who's who of scammers, spammers, HYIPers and cash gifters promoting MCoA.
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    John, John, John... you came running into a website devoted to exploring fraud and exposing con men, gleefully advertising a program. What did you expect us to do, behave like giddy schoolgirls and fawn at every word?

    It's not illegal to share info, but when you present yourself as a target to be investigated like that, you really should expect some injuries to your pride at the very least.
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    I didnt mean any harm in posting it here, I just saw that everything was being seen as a scam, and this is not a scam. I appreciate you keeping people safe. I am one who was scammed before, But scamming people is not me. I have my own family and would never even think about scamming. So if you would investigate this opportunity and if you find anything scammy let me know. Because I am just trying to find a way to generate legitimate income

    Thank you

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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    So where, other than the program's own promotional sites, would I find references to this Motor Club of America that supposedly goes back to 1928?

    How are prospective recruits supposed to tell whether the claimed history is accurate, embellished, or swiped from unrelated sources and sewn together to make the business look good?
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    Here are sites hosted on the same ip as tvcmatrix.com:
    americanhomeclub.net
    americasmotorclub.net
    glenncoffee.com
    legendsnetwork.com
    motorclubofamerica.net
    mymotorclubentry.com
    myperfectjob.net
    onetouchonline.com
    tvcmarketing.com
    tvcmatrix.com
    tvcmatrix.net

    BBB Report for TVC:

    http://www.bbb.org/oklahoma-city/bus...c-in---9002308

    Contact Information
    Principal: Ms. Lynn Havener (Office Manager)
    Mr. Virgil Coffee (President & C.E.O.)
    Mr. V. Glenn Coffee (General Counsel for TVC)
    Mr. Kent Melton (Secretary/Treasurer)
    Mr. Bob Thompson
    Business Category
    Road Service-Automotive, Legal Services Plans, Attorney Referral Service

    The BBB Report says:
    "Business Category
    Road Service-Automotive, Legal Services Plans, Attorney Referral Service

    Products & Services
    This company offers motor club memberships for truckers."

    I haven't tested all of the "club" websites, but the few I did went to parked pages or error pages.

    The locations in the BBB Report are:
    3200 W. Wilshire
    Oklahoma City, OK 73116
    Directions

    P. O. Box 20490
    Oklahoma City, OK 73156-0490
    Directions

    The Wilshire address is a UPS location:
    UPS Drop Box - 3200 W WILSHIRE BLVD, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK Pickup Time - Location and Hours

    When I searched in the actual UPS locator TVC Marketing shows up - does that mean they're possibly the owner of the UPS store? I don't remember seeing that in the past with the locator service.

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    Yep---this is the forum to post your free ad promoting your illegal activities---Roll up,Roll up!

    It saves us a heap of time searching for you guys when you simply turn up of your own accord!
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTooMuchTime View Post
    P. O. Box 20490
    Oklahoma City, OK 73156-0490
    Directions

    That was the Nicole Hills Bank, in 2010. How long has TVC Matrix been using this post office box?
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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    Not sure on the PO box yet, but TVC Marketing Associates appears to have been around for a while (1989):
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900482027

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    Re: Working with Motor club of America

    This appears to be the correct Auto Club Of America Site:
    Auto Club Of America - Home
    Bud Belz - Executive Profile
    Shows the connection between Auto Club Of America & TVC Marketing

    There are several listings in the OK Secretary of State corporations databse for
    Auto Club Of America:
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInqu...20of%20america
    That appear to be related to the man Auto Club Of America as they have the same registered
    agent - Bud Belz - who is listed as the founder here:
    Auto Club Of America

    It says: "Founder of the Auto Club of America in 1976"

    Several of those listings list that the corporations are inactive because of an OTC Suspension - which I believe
    is an Oklahoma Tax Commission supsension. Here are a few of those:
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900317258
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900316364
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900305854
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900305569
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1910324410
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900410407

    There is another company called OKLAHOMA AUTO CLUB-INC. here founded in 1928:
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=2100057317
    It doesn't list a registered agent, but it's a non-profit, so it seems doubtful that it's related to
    the Auto Club Of America.

    there is also a company called AUTOMOBILE CLUB OF SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=2100051692

    Again, no registered agent listed - and a non-for-profit.

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    I am glad you all posted this information. I actually signed up awhile back and created a website to market it and planned to market the hell out of it, BUT... after drawing up plans for the website I was going to create (was going to blow all other affiliates out of the water), I started researching for information to place on my site to verify it's legitimacy. Guess what... I found NOTHING. My benefits packet actually came yesterday stating how they been doing business since 1926, but I have found nothing in relation to these companies past the 1970s, so where are those other 50 years or whatever?

    On top of this, the information I found in there favor was only registrations of business, but even those didn't show anything serious. I was starting to wonder if there was just one affiliate that took it upon himself to join ACA and make it look like a total different program so he can increase his own downline, as I haven't started promoting simply because I can find no information.

    So for the original poster whom is talking about making money, that is great. I can go make $30,000 with this by the end of the month if I wanted, but I refuse to introduce a "possible scam" to people in which they may be taken and have my name attached to it. I am almost tempted to go do an eye exam or something and use this card just to see if it really even works. Something just doesn't feel right about this. I just need some PROOF that I can use in which I could then vouch, but for now something is definitely up with this.

    I have wrote them a few times and still have not received the answers to all of my questions asking for proof of business registration, what about them was registered in 1926, the relation to Virgil Coffee, etc. etc.

    If you can answer ANY of that, then we can talk, but until then... I have to write this off as a 90% chance of being a scam cause nothing seems to be adding up.

    Oh, and ALSO. https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900482027

    In reference to that link I just posted. If their marketing company was brought about in 1989, how can they claim to have been doing business since 1926. If they took over the company, that supposingly was doing bad or is not active due to tax commissions or whatever, WHY in the heck would they want to associate with them and assume their past bad business instead of stating specifically that they are a completely different company or whatever.

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    Hiya, TurtleDive and welcome to REALSCAM.com

    While you're in research mode, you might like to spend some time chasing down the " National Association of Travel Organization" (NATO)

    which features prominently in Mr Belz' resume on the ACA website:

    He has been very active in the National Association of Travel Organization (NATO, which is the trade association for auto clubs) and has held several offices in the organization, including that of president in 1989 and 1997. In 1999, NATO named Mr. Belz Executive Director, which is the organization's only permanent position, for his lifetime achievement.
    Other than on the ACA website, Mr Google, like me, seems to have a hard time finding any reference to NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDive View Post
    I am glad you all posted this information. I actually signed up awhile back and created a website to market it and planned to market the hell out of it, BUT... after drawing up plans for the website I was going to create (was going to blow all other affiliates out of the water), I started researching for information to place on my site to verify it's legitimacy. Guess what... I found NOTHING. My benefits packet actually came yesterday stating how they been doing business since 1926, but I have found nothing in relation to these companies past the 1970s, so where are those other 50 years or whatever?

    On top of this, the information I found in there favor was only registrations of business, but even those didn't show anything serious. I was starting to wonder if there was just one affiliate that took it upon himself to join ACA and make it look like a total different program so he can increase his own downline, as I haven't started promoting simply because I can find no information.

    So for the original poster whom is talking about making money, that is great. I can go make $30,000 with this by the end of the month if I wanted, but I refuse to introduce a "possible scam" to people in which they may be taken and have my name attached to it. I am almost tempted to go do an eye exam or something and use this card just to see if it really even works. Something just doesn't feel right about this. I just need some PROOF that I can use in which I could then vouch, but for now something is definitely up with this.

    I have wrote them a few times and still have not received the answers to all of my questions asking for proof of business registration, what about them was registered in 1926, the relation to Virgil Coffee, etc. etc.

    If you can answer ANY of that, then we can talk, but until then... I have to write this off as a 90% chance of being a scam cause nothing seems to be adding up.

    Oh, and ALSO. https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInfo...?id=1900482027

    In reference to that link I just posted. If their marketing company was brought about in 1989, how can they claim to have been doing business since 1926. If they took over the company, that supposingly was doing bad or is not active due to tax commissions or whatever, WHY in the heck would they want to associate with them and assume their past bad business instead of stating specifically that they are a completely different company or whatever.
    Let me also welcome you to RS. As far as to how can they say it, simply because this is the Internet, and they can say whatever they want.

    You see they don't expect anyone to really check them out. You are just supposed to buy the story and not question. Then also when you do ask serious questions in their chat room, you will be vilified for being negative, a Troll, or any of several other names, and then banned from the room.

    But as for thinking this is 90% a scam, let me clear that up for you. It is 100% a Ponzi. And like in any Ponzi, you are not really making anything but the money comes from people joining under you or after you until it collapses because they cannot get more people into the program.

    But don't let this be your only post and time here. And if you do have questions, you will find that there are many people here who will answer them for you.

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    Thank you both for welcoming me, and I do plan to stick around. I was actually still doing research trying to find more information on this company and the people connected. The only things I can ever find about this site are 100s of affiliates SPAMMING the hell out of the internet with it. I cannot go to Craigslist now without seeing 10 ads for it, nor will any search pull up anything other than fake press releases, spun articles, duplicated videos, etc. Doesn't make sense that one would have to LOOK for anything that validates a company's legitimacy. I'd think that any company that's legit would love to have all of their legitimacy proved immediately and possibly even link directly to it to instill comfort into it's viewers and potential clients.

    I actually joined awhile back without thinking to validate it as it was a no-brainer. $240.00 a year, is nothing when 4 referrals would have me covered for life in residuals alone. I built the website AmericaMotorClub.com as a capture page really believing in the product, and then I came up with a great idea on how to get massive attention without even marketing, and right when I was about to create my main site for this program, I noticed the other club (ACA) had the same road and colors in the logo. That's actually what caught my attention and made me say... wait a minute... what's the connection between these companies. My first thought was infringement. ACA's information showed it was from I think the 50s if I remember correctly, so how the hell could this other one be from the 20s if it came after? Something just didn't make sense. That's when I started searching for more information and VERIFIABLE information, mainly just for the "about us" section I was setting up for my site, and stumbled across nothing but by chance found this site, in which you all pointed out some of the same very limited information I found as well as much more info you dug up which pretty much confirmed this company is up to something.

    I looked at real footage of a person marketing it whom has a 300+ in her downline, and has made over $20,000.00 and has been paid on time every Friday which made me think it could work. I really wanted this company to be legit and almost still marketed it, but I can't put my name on something like this if they have started out their company with all lies. I emailed them to have some simple questions answered... I will report back when/if I get any responses to any of it. I actually inquired about seeing PROOF of any of their claims (I specified a lot of them from their own wording) and asked if I could see any documents in regards to such things, but still no word.

    Also, not long ago, I contacted the person I signed under (the one that made the 20k in less than 3 months) and asked her some questions and her response was. It's legit, people are getting paid. In which I kindly responded, that being paid doesn't mean anything. All scams start out with the illusion of being legit, where they must pay people at first to create trust and get it to spread like wildfire else nobody would join. She's being paid greatly because she's having the biggest impact on the company's success by marketing nonstop, posting every 15 minutes everywhere, etc. so of course she loves it. Also told her, if it's working for her GREAT. Milk it while you can, but I still would like to know more information about them because nothing is adding up. I explained to her how I could not find anything verifiable, and that I didn't doubt they were legit (redirected conversation in her favor to halt the defensive responses) and that I simply wanted to see proof or know what proof she had of it's legitimacy. She mentioned Virgil Coffee and David Kirscher I believe and told me check wikipedia for them, but then I asked... okay, so where is a real resource that cannot be edited by random people. Hell I can go in there right now and change his name to mine. Something from the government is what I would like to see basically. She said she would see if she can find out anything (which I don't have high hopes of her doing, as it could jeopardize her position with the company) and let me know.

    I guess I'm still stuck on trying to find out some legitimacy to this program because I really wanted to believe in it, as it seemed like a great way to make some decent additional income for the real estate ventures I am in.

    The thing that gets me though is, people are posting photos, videos, and statements explaining that they are actually USING these benefits and that it is indeed real. So if the services ARE real, why can't we find anything verifying them? I mean, is the card really a different company and just marked with their stamp? How can this card be accepted in SOOO many places, but yet nobody can find anything verifying whom they are? this whole setup is scary.
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    OK, let's start with the basics. In what city/state are they located (company office)? Are they incorporated? Check with the Secretary of State of the Department of Corporations to see if they are properly licensed and registered in the state. Then check any other state to see if they are licensed and registered with them. They must be registered as a foreign corporation in all the states in which they do business. In some states it is the Department of Corporations to find out this information and in other states it is the Secretary of State. That's why you need to check both to find the right agency.

    Then check out the BBB in their location to see what kind of rating they have, and if complaints: how many, how many stll outstanding, and how many resolved.

    Since they are obviously nationwide, I would check with local towing companies to see if they are part of their service group. Usually a company that uses AAA, also will affiliate themselves with other membership groups like this. I think Allstate has their program still in force, as do several other companies.

    One thing you need to be aware of, is that most car manufacturers now provide roadside assistance for 2-3 years of car ownership. So outside services usually are for people who have owned their cars for a long time or bought used. You are also competing with about 5 other companies that offer this type of service.

    One of the major things that can happen is their pricing is just the come-on to get people enrolled. Then after a year the costs start going up and up and up. This causes the people to drop out that do not have any residual income coming in to cover these costs. Thus you lose retention which reduces your income.

    Remember, when you Google, do not just go to the first 4 or 5 pages. If they show at least 8-10 pages, you want to start on page 7 because that's where they real information will be found.

    Not sure if this helped or not, but all the best.
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