The Achieve Community - huge ponzi scam

[Whip]

yeah......she's running out of excuses fast.

[Verabsmith]

She must be using that "New math" thing they're doing with common core.. Damn public school system.

[littleroundman]

Unfortunately for her victims, there's nothing "new" about the Achieve saga.

Anyone who has been observing the HYIP ponzi fraud scene for more than five minutes will have seen this same scenario unfold hundreds, if not thousands of times before.

What Kristi is doing and saying is almost word for word the same as what happened with the hundreds of thousands of HYIP ponzis which came before Achieve

The singer may change, but, the song remains the same.

[Gregg]

The "problem" with Achieve is that every time it takes in a dollar, it owes eight dollars and there isn't any money coming in under better terms.

Of course, Kristi has fixed that problem for herself, every dollar she takes in she owes eight dollars that she has no intention of paying, she just keeps the dollar. Its a good solution for her if she can do it without getting arrested.

[littleroundman]

"I mean, I’ve got, you know, $40,000 tied up in Achieve. You know, if I thought that this thing was a hoax or something to, you know, where they were just going to take the money and run, I’d be the first one to say, because I’m deeply, deeply invested. And I also have several of my friends, close personal friends, Rodney Blackburn, Adam Perrin, you know, who are just as invested as I am. You know, I have a whole marketing team that, you know, 85 percent of the membership my marketing team, you know, is in Achieve.”

Judging by Mike Chittys' YouTube channel one gets the impression Mr Chitty is not quite as committed to Achieve as he would like us all to believe



Then again, he's a serial HYIP ponzi pimp, why would any rational person believe a word he says, anyway ???

[littleroundman]

More excuses for the lack of payments from serial HYIP ponzi pimp, Rodney Blackburn.





The nonsense excuses sure are coming thick and fast from Achieve land

(Thanks to REALSCAM.com member, BigDad for bringing Rodneys' latest effort to our attention)

[Realname]

It is time to get the authorities eyes on this obvious ponzi scam. There are no real products (the typical digital garbage).

Here is the MMG thread Board Message

One sure scam sign is that the biggest ponzi pimp is in it, Ken Russo! Time to get the authorities involved!

The site is here Join The Best Network Marketing Opportunity Online - The Achieve Community

The membership fee is only $50 and you'll get their package that includes ebooks and advertising credits. Its all BS stuff of course and its very similar to teamearners program pimped by TG forum few years ago!

[Joe_Shmoe]

The membership fee is only $50 and you'll get their package that includes ebooks and advertising credits. Its all BS stuff of course and its very similar to teamearners program pimped by TG forum few years ago!

It's "only $50" per position, some victims have bought thousands of dollars worth of positions because they have been told they will receive 800% interest.
Not exactly harmless is it?

[ribshaw]

Its all BS stuff of course

Did you notice that Mike Chitty and Rodney "How's your Breakfast" Blackburn did not say Achieve is all BS in their videos? Mike is in for $40,000 all his friends blah blah blah. Biscuits Blackburn is owed $90,000, this thing is going to kick ass he says.

If everyone knows its a game why they not be tellin the truth? A lot of people will be getting a hearty plate of ZIP "A" ROO for breakfast.

[shipdit]

Did you notice that Mike Chitty and Rodney "How's your Breakfast" Blackburn did not say Achieve is all BS in their videos? Mike is in for $40,000 all his friends blah blah blah. Biscuits Blackburn is owed $90,000, this thing is going to kick ass he says.

If everyone knows its a game why they not be tellin the truth? A lot of people will be getting a hearty plate of ZIP "A" ROO for breakfast.

I don't know whether to label it pitiful, scandalous or disgusting, but to me that latest "Achieve resurrection video" from Rodney Blackburn translates:

"I know this SCAM is dead, but if promoting it on YouTube for another eight minutes might shake loose a piece of my $90,000 of monopoly money it's all good"

SD

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[shipdit]

The membership fee is only $50 and you'll get their package that includes ebooks and advertising credits. Its all BS stuff of course and its very similar to teamearners program pimped by TG forum few years ago!

Since you're new here at RealScam, I would like to learn more about what makes you think the way you do by researching your TalkGold posts. What's your username over there?

Thanks,

SD

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[ribshaw]

I don't know whether to label it pitiful, scandalous or disgusting, but to me that latest "Achieve resurrection video" from Rodney Blackburn translates:

"I know this SCAM is dead, but if promoting it on YouTube for another eight minutes might shake loose a piece of my $90,000 of monopoly money it's all good"

SD

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Those videos have to be made for "someones" other than the folks like realname who know its a recruiting scam.

I believe both Blackburn and Chitty tell viewers not to listen to the "naysayers", but the only question that matters is does Christy have $6,000,000 (15000 Members * $400) lying around? Unless we are all really in for a shock...

The "Internet Marketers" pablum and the talk like this is some sort of an honest business always gets me. Perhaps the only thing more dangerous than taking financial advice from these types is swigging potions based on their health claims.

Since you're new here at RealScam, I would like to learn more about what makes you think

Same for me realname.

[littleroundman]

Those videos have to be made for "someones" other than the folks like realname who know its a recruiting scam.

And that is the whole point.

As much as the "Realnames" of this world try to rationalize and justify things, there ARE large numbers of people who don't know it's a "game" and who do genuinely believe they have made a legitimate investment with a legitimate company.

Achieve is a fraudulent ponzi scheme, pure and simple and no amount of rationalization, justification or re-writing history is going to alter that fact.

[littleroundman]

From the Achieve payment page:



Hyip ponzi pimps like Rodney Blackburn and Mike Chitty would have us believe Achieve is a legitimate business and Realname that people know it's a game and yet, here we have another example of blatant lies being used in an attempt to intimidate victims into not claiming against the company.

It takes a special sort of arrogance for the fraudsters behind a blatant fraud like Achieve to threaten victims with this sort of nonsense:

Any attempt to CHARGEBACK is considered as Fraud, and is subject to legal criminal action.
Please note that credit card fraud is a very serious crime.
Your IP address as well as other information about you is collected on this website using technology to
track your physical address and other pertinent information to safe guard against fraud.
In the event of fraud this information will be used to contact law enforcement authorities in your country,
state and city to prosecute at the fullest extent allowed by law.

There is no chance of Kristi Johnson or Troy Barnes getting within a mile of a courtroom for at least the next ten years, much less instituting any sort of legal action against members seeking to issue a chargeback.

What they are worried about is the fact they (as in Achieve) will be whacked by the credit card companies and payment processors for every successful chargeback made against Achieve

That's how the system works.

Not only is achieve liable for each chargeback, it also is whacked with a fee

Too many chargebacks and Achieve / Johnson / Barnes could be liable for more than they actually took in via credit card payments

THAT is what they are worried about

[Gregg]

Any attempt to CHARGEBACK is considered as Fraud, and is subject to legal criminal action.
That is a lie, filing a chargeback when you did not get what you paid for is a legitimate way to dispute the transaction, if they don't agree they could, gasp, fight your attempt

Please note that credit card fraud is a very serious crime.
Yeppers, is sure is. Trying to scare people out of filing legitimate chargebacks could be considered credit card fraud


Your IP address as well as other information about you is collected on this website using technology to
track your physical address and other pertinent information to safe guard against fraud.
They can identify your general area, the precision they need to try to hurt you they'd need to get the police involved. ANyone here think they're goona be the ones to call the police?



In the event of fraud this information will be used to contact law enforcement authorities in your country,
state and city to prosecute at the fullest extent allowed by law
Again, like I and others have said, that's kind of like bank robbers calling the police on the guy who double parked their getaway car

[littleroundman]

You know,

When it comes to HYIP ponzi fraud there's remaining positive and there's naivety and there's stubbornness,

and then there's just plain bloody stupidity



I for one hope that Kristi and Troy take "lilbits" advice try to drag some of their critics into court alleging their good names have been libeled.

(BTW, "lilbit" it's not slander, it's libel, as in: Libel is any Defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.)

Day one of any court action would be a real riot as discovery took place and Troy and Kristis' lawyer presented all the paperwork proving Achieve is a legitimate business and not a HYIP ponzi fraud.

Half the worlds' media would be there to find out Troy and Kristis' secret of how to deliver an 800% ROI in three months

DAMN I hope Troy and Kristi listen to "lilbit" and go for it.

[EagleOne]

Poor lilbit from MMG is all upset that a few of us have called Troy and Kristi crooks. She told us that she is encouraging both of them to sue all of us for slander. When I pointed out it was libel, she then came back with suing for defamation of character. Seems she forgot that neither has any character to defame. A lot of huffing and puffing on her part, so to help her I sent her a PM with all my contact information so Troy and Kristi could sue me. I don't think lilbit will appreciate my assistance to her, Troy and Kristi.

[kschang]

In the event of fraud this information will be used to contact law enforcement authorities in your country,
state and city to prosecute at the fullest extent allowed by law
Again, like I and others have said, that's kind of like bank robbers calling the police on the guy who double parked their getaway car

It ain't the first time police responded to reported theft of... pot plants. :D (and this is LONG before pot's legalized in California)

[ribshaw]

Matter of fact I believe I will have a talk with Troy and suggest he consult an attorney if he has not already.

Instead, I would like to suggest tracking down this fellow, he is the ONLY one who can help Troy and Kristi at this point. Perhaps they could sell him off for parts on Ebay!

Achieve Owes Six Million and no amount of nonsense changes that..JPG

The "burden of proof" as it were is for T&K to demonstrate they have the money to pay the people they owe, blah blah Judy Judy, blah blah payment processors, doesn't square their tab.

[Realname]

It's "only $50" per position, some victims have bought thousands of dollars worth of positions because they have been told they will receive 800% interest.
Not exactly harmless is it?

LOL For those who beleive in 800% interest in this world I call them idiots ....

Did you notice that Mike Chitty and Rodney "How's your Breakfast" Blackburn did not say Achieve is all BS in their videos? Mike is in for $40,000 all his friends blah blah blah. Biscuits Blackburn is owed $90,000, this thing is going to kick ass he says.

If everyone knows its a game why they not be tellin the truth? A lot of people will be getting a hearty plate of ZIP "A" ROO for breakfast.

LOL do you really beleive in it?? They are making bluff :D

And renember that many players use these schemes to clean their stolen funds from other ponzis so they don't worry to lose such dirty funds.

Since you're new here at RealScam, I would like to learn more about what makes you think the way you do by researching your TalkGold posts. What's your username over there?

Thanks,

SD

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I gave up TG forum a long time ago because I lost the count of my banned usernames there. Their mods are scumbags and bann people easily for non sense reasons.

[ribshaw]

LOL do you really beleive in it?? They are making bluff :D

Making bluff? Son of a gun I always get my money advice from a guy who should be making videos on how not to bust yolks when turning an egg.

Are you saying they are lying to steal money from people who might not know any better?

And renember that many players use these schemes to clean their stolen funds from other ponzis so they don't worry to lose such dirty funds.

Is that why you participate, to clean all the money you make trading FX and selling MLM granola bars?

[GlimDropper]

Perhaps I'm wrong to conflate issues. Achieve is not in fact legitimate MLM and it is after all, a small, stupid little matrix ponzi and it's only connection to legitimate MLM is that it uses the EXACT same commercial cult tactics that are so loved by legitimate MLM today. Never give up, Never doubt, Never ask any questions. Those are the esteemed virtues and price of participation for members of the official Achieve facebook group and every other MLM facebook group I've been party to. The similarity is unmistakable and purely functional, modern MLM has so divorced it's self from selling actual products or services to actual customers and instead focused so narrowly on one income opportunity seeker selling that income opportunity to other similar seekers that it doesn't change the presentation in the least when you completely remove any product or service at all from the equation.

I see the intellectual leaders of the MLM community, some of whom I try to respect (partwise at least) argue on behalf of their industry. I realize there is a difference between the legal definition of a pyramid and the functional definition of a pyramid. Here is where they are aiding and abetting a crapload of collateral damage, they seek to rationalize the "gray areas" as they exist without giving thought to why the laws exist in the first place.

In an ironic way the Achieve Community is a perfect example of what is wrong with modern MLM. Again, Achieve isn't legitimate MLM but it markets itself exactly as if it were, it's members regard it as if it were and quite frankly, if we had accurate statistical data on the win loss percentage of the cash transfer scheme involved, it may well in fact not compare unfavorably to the win loss percentages in such industry darlings as WakeUpNow. Hell, about 4% of WUN affiliates make more than they spend, if it wasn't for the processor issues perhaps almost 10% of Achieve members would be above water. This is a bizarre thought but one I've held for quite a while but isn't it strange that a straight up pyramid scheme might be a better investment than a crappy modern MLM? But as so many modern MLM hasten to point out, they are not an investment. Perhaps that's why.

My point here is not only that the Achieve Community a full product and the logical result of the commercial cult like indoctrination tactics perfected by the legitimate MLM community, after all how many times have we heard that the tools you learn here (after paying for them) will help you build any business you apply them to. But the core focus of modern MLM has shifted SoOooo far away from selling products and services to people willing to pay for them just because they actually want to buy them that stories of them are like the new MLM unicorn. There is an idealized image in peoples minds of actual customers but no one ever seems to have actually seen one. This is where the rubber meets the road and where the tire fire starts, you can argue with me all day long that it doesn't matter what percentage of product sales are affiliate purchases and that even if it's 100% it doesn't make it illegal. But 100% of all "position" sales in Achieve are by definition to affiliates but the same is true of WUN or IQ Life. But those last two have actual products, even if (unicorns withstanding) the only people buying them are income opportunity seeking affiliates. But the Achieve Community isn't legitimate MLM.

If there is a single point that will fly completely over the head of any industry consultant or paid advocate reading these words but I would wish wouldn't it would be this: the FUNCTIONAL definition of a pyramid scheme and why they are illegal in the first place is where to start the conversation. If the DSA and a bunch of paid confederates serve to loosen regulations and move the LEGAL definition of a pyramid further from the functional one, you are not only NOT doing your industry any favors but you're also helping to screw over (yet) more people. Not that your sort tend to care about stuff like that but I like to watch you pretend to.

[littleroundman]

In the words of the old Sonny and Cher song:

"And the beat goes on,

La de da de de, la de da de da

and the beat goes on"

January 21 2015

Hello Achieve Community!

The PERMANENT processor is going to be ready for us in the same time frame we had for the temporary one!

This means we can start paying people and continue doing so without any more interruptions. We will not use a temporary processor after all, we will start payouts with the permanent one.

Here’s what I can tell you now:

This processor will work for everyone in our community everyplace.

We have lots of payment options with it, and more will be added as they grow with us.

Sign up will be in your back office.

You will be able to do repurchases from your earnings in your accounts.

There is information that I will not be sharing this time around, so please don’t ask.

I will not tell you who our processor is, that information will be available only when you sign up with them.

I will not have an exact date for this until all the work is done, and then it will be announced in these updates. Until you see it here, the information is simply not available.

I’m working on us being ready next week, and it’s impossible to tell exactly, to the day, how long it will take until we do the work.

You will be informed as we go, so again, if it’s not here in the updates, it’s not available, and the information will be here when it is available.

I’m very excited about this – it’s just so much better seeing us in a long term solution and knowing that our community can keep growing and making the difference we all want to make.

I’m sincerely grateful to all of you for the patience and support you’ve shown for Achieve. I know that all the right people are with us here now.

To your success,

Kristi

[EagleOne]

Well, Kristi has announced that they have a "permanent" payment processor onboard so they won't have to use the temporary one after all. Here's her update:

January 21 2015
Hello Achieve Community!

The PERMANENT processor is going to be ready for us in the same time frame we had for the temporary one!

This means we can start paying people and continue doing so without any more interruptions. We will not use a temporary processor after all, we will start payouts with the permanent one.

Here’s what I can tell you now:

This processor will work for everyone in our community everyplace.

We have lots of payment options with it, and more will be added as they grow with us.

Sign up will be in your back office.

You will be able to do repurchases from your earnings in your accounts.

There is information that I will not be sharing this time around, so please don’t ask.

I will not tell you who our processor is, that information will be available only when you sign up with them.

I will not have an exact date for this until all the work is done, and then it will be announced in these updates. Until you see it here, the information is simply not available.

I’m working on us being ready next week, and it’s impossible to tell exactly, to the day, how long it will take until we do the work.

You will be informed as we go, so again, if it’s not here in the updates, it’s not available, and the information will be here when it is available.

I’m very excited about this – it’s just so much better seeing us in a long term solution and knowing that our community can keep growing and making the difference we all want to make.

I’m sincerely grateful to all of you for the patience and support you’ve shown for Achieve. I know that all the right people are with us here now.

To your success,

Kristi

Just as Kristi was making this announcement, behindMLM received a contact from the Colorado Securities Division investigator indicating a possible investigation and asking for anyone in Colorado who put money in Achieve to contact him. Since behindMLM has not been able to verify for sure if the Email address does indeed belong to the investigator, it was withheld from the article. From all appearances it does look legitimate. What surprised behindMLM the post just showed up for the blog.

The good news is that if there truly is an investigation ongoing with the Colorado Securities Division, having this new payment processor active will help in their investigation. News that Kristi is not going to appreciate, nor Troy. Wonder how my defamation of character lawsuit is coming along?

[Gregg]

There is not now, nor in the near future, and never was a payment processor coming. Kristi is just trying to stop the pounding at the gates while she scrambles to find a company that can handle money and is as crooked as she is.