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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    Hello Ribshaw.
    As far as MLM, I agree, not a very sympathetic audience, lol.
    I am in real estate, stock, commodity, and forex trading, vending, and a few other business's. I am one of those people who if they have five extra minutes in a day, I look to find a business to fill it with. I am not big on the job thing. Don't get along with bosses very well. Tried it, didnt like it. I call it J.U.B. just under broke.

    Thank you for a civil reply,
    Regards and Respect,
    Dr. Bob

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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Hello Again,

    First thing, at your advice, I am changing the word University to School,
    "Criminal organization" would be more appropriate...

    Since you post in scammer style,(one huge paragraph that hurts everyones eyes)....Let me break down your BS...

    I am hoping that will satisfy some of the complaints. Second as far as the HYIP's the first one I was ever in was ZEEK. I didn't get in at the beginning either. Thought for sure it was real. I promoted the program to a bunch of people. We all lost. We all thought it was real. I lost 10k on Zeek. Some of the group was smarter than I and made money because they were pulling money while I was just letting my "points" build. Like I said about Profitable Sunrise, we all went in with "risk money only" because after zeek, even though we thought the whole program was legit and made sense, we were a bit scared. I advised every member to take money out from day one and they did and the whole group made money, including me.
    I call bullshit....You claim zeek was your first rodeo yet inside of a year you have a following, a downline and a scam school where you teach others??....
    Total BS...You are an old hand at the scamming business..

    I am not "pimping" these programs as I do not promote them.
    Yes you are...That's what your scam school is all about....

    Considering that 95% of brick and mortar business's are out of business within 5 years, there is not a HUGE difference in the failure rate of brick and mortar to network marketing. I advertise in my presentation that the industry average for this type of business is a 98% failure rate, but we hope to improve on that number. Nothing deceptive there, and we say it more than once.
    You compare real business to the scams you involved in??...That's the nature of the beast at work...

    The new presentation that I am working on now, will emphasize even more that I do not expect to see most of the people who sign up now, here a year from now, but those who work the program hard and market as we teach have a chance of success, and they do! It will also emphasize more that you must work the hell out of it to have any chance of success. My goal is NOT to deceive anyone into thinking that you join the program and VOILA, you become wealthy. That does not exist in ANY business, online or not.
    That's a new way of pimping these scams which you claim you don't do....

    I do get the impression though that it really doesn't matter what I say or do, you guys are just anti-network marketing, and I understand that and of course you are entitled to your opinion. I myself love it because I feel that for a very small investment, you get a chance at owning your own business and maybe, just maybe making a success out of yourself.
    It's called "Fraud"...And no we don't support it...."Network marketing" is just a term made up by scammers like you to try to legitimize your illegal activities...

    Well thats about all I can say to this latest group of critisizims. We will change university to school. We will emphasize real numbers, We dont tell anyone who is considering joining that we have a 10% success rate. I will try to keep the quality of our educational system high so people get value for their money, and that is about all I can do. I think that informed people have the right to try to better themselves, and I will try to help them in that direction.

    With Respect,
    Dr. Bob
    Help them??....Help them to lose their money while you profit....

    You really are a low life scum bag....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Whether you guys see it or not, I am trying very hard to get my program out of the "SCAM ZONE" with you.

    With Respect Again,
    Dr. Bob
    So you admit it's a scam....Good, we are making some progress here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    I am in real estate, stock, commodity, and forex trading, vending, and a few other business's.

    Thank you for a civil reply,
    Regards and Respect,
    Dr. Bob
    The main one being Fraud....
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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    To most of the people on realscam.com

    You guys have yourselves a real nice day.

    Wishing you all the best,
    Dr. Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob
    I advertise in my presentation that the industry average for this type of business is a 98% failure rate, but we hope to improve on that number.
    The "industry average" failure rate for climbing Mount Everest in your underpants is 100%.

    Teaching somebody how to put on said underpants in a different way is going to have no effect on the failure rate.

    It WILL however, enrich the person who is pretending to have the solution to the problem.

    What you're attempting to do is akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic or putting lipstick on a pig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    The main one being Fraud....
    I don't agree with everything that dr bob says, but he is trying to be cooperative and all you guys are doing is bashing him.

    While I can respect your view on HYIP and 'legitimate' ponzi, I can't find a problem with Double Up Dollars.

    Throwing the word "fraud" around means a crime has been committed. In a perfect world you would have no one on the planet doing network marketing, but guess what? That isn't how the world is so the next BEST step is to NOT rip people off. I would like to know why the people in this thread are not analyzing the proper topic at hand? I would like to have a decent conversation that doesn't involve people saying I should commit suicide and call me a wild animal. I feel like I've stepped in to a wild west court room or something here.

    I would like to know why the conversation moves backwards instead of forward towards some resolution? If this were a court room the judge would have fallen asleep by now!

    Cliffs notes: Topic has little to do with comments in the thread
    quattro/qes is no longer affiliated with double up dollars
    members do not want to acknowledge the thread they started is not on topic
    members here disregard any outside input

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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    Quote Originally Posted by MLMwatchdog
    I can't find a problem with Double Up Dollars.
    Yep, we get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MLMwatchdog
    Cliffs notes: Topic has little to do with comments in the thread
    Easy fixed.

    Start your own forum and then you can set the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    To most of the people on realscam.com

    You guys have yourselves a real nice day.

    Wishing you all the best,
    Dr. Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLMwatchdog View Post
    I don't agree with everything that dr bob says, but he is trying to be cooperative and all you guys are doing is bashing him.

    While I can respect your view on HYIP and 'legitimate' ponzi, I can't find a problem with Double Up Dollars.

    Throwing the word "fraud" around means a crime has been committed. In a perfect world you would have no one on the planet doing network marketing, but guess what? That isn't how the world is so the next BEST step is to NOT rip people off. I would like to know why the people in this thread are not analyzing the proper topic at hand? I would like to have a decent conversation that doesn't involve people saying I should commit suicide and call me a wild animal. I feel like I've stepped in to a wild west court room or something here.

    I would like to know why the conversation moves backwards instead of forward towards some resolution? If this were a court room the judge would have fallen asleep by now!

    Cliffs notes: Topic has little to do with comments in the thread
    quattro/qes is no longer affiliated with double up dollars
    members do not want to acknowledge the thread they started is not on topic
    members here disregard any outside input
    That's all we need....A scammer apologist dictating forum rules....LOL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    So far, I will be changing the name to school instead of university. I am trying very hard to get my program out of the "SCAM ZONE" with you.
    With Respect Again,
    Dr. Bob
    That is a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Hello Again,

    First thing, at your advice, [snip] They are not illegal until they are declared illegal. [snip]

    With Respect,
    Dr. Bob
    HYIPs and MLMs without real tangible products are already illegal in the US and many other countries in the world. They are ponzis or pyramid schemes. No one has to be caught and have their accounts frozen to be illegal because laws were broken the day they started. Just the same as murder is murder and theft is theft, whether or not you are caught.

    You cannot go back and have a second bite at the cherry by making a business legal after the fact either. If it starts out illegal, the liability is there for the whole period that the illegality took place, whatever happens in the future.

    By the way your concept of a job being just-under-broke is a lot of rubbish. Most people looking to work from home on the internet who look at network marketing are either desperate because they dont have a job or lazy and greedy because they arent willing to work at one. It is wrong to compare legitimate self employment where you are your own boss, with all the work, risk and commitment that it implies, with internet money games and training people to play them.

    It doesn't matter what you say on this forum because your online activities are out there for all to see - including those you may have tried to delete. So you gave up on Quattro. Big deal. Any halfway savvy business person wouldn't have touched in the first place, never mind recruited people into it, because it is clearly illegal.

    The day you start to train people in real world sales and marketing it will be seen. Right now all that is visible is a history of promotion of network marketing schemes and courses that try to convince people that they might break the pattern of MLMs IBOs against all odds and actually make some money.

    The internet is a funny thing you cant be all things to all people. It is difficult to promote one image in one place and another in another. It has a habit of catching up with you as you have doubtless found out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Hello Again,

    I do get the impression though that it really doesn't matter what I say or do, you guys are just anti-network marketing, and I understand that and of course you are entitled to your opinion. I myself love it because I feel that for a very small investment, you get a chance at owning your own business and maybe, just maybe making a success out of yourself.

    With Respect,
    Dr. Bob
    What do you mean by network marketing?

    Marketing has nothing to do with selling. A marketer looks for potential new markets, finds out what customers are prepared to pay for products and services in that marketplace and resources products and or services to fill the gap which he or she has detected.

    If you started teaching marketing as opposed to mud against the wall sales techniques that are promulgated by the sub culture who call themselves network marketers, you could be in with a chance to develop a sensible online training school.

    I do some basic but instinctive marketing when I walk down Putney High Street (which I do on most days in the week.) I notice that there is not a pet shop in the High Street. Is there a market for somebody to open one up? There are no family butchers or proper fishmongers. Is there an opportunity for an entrepreneur to set up in opposition to the supermarkets in Putney? The supermarkets have very limited fish stocks. Where can one buy good weed or pest killers in Putney? Answer Robert Dyas. The Dyas store is first class and their stock control is superlative.

    Where can I buy 50 or 70 litres of multipurpose compost or a small sack of compost for ericaceous plants in Putney? Answer. Damn it. I will have to get on a bus and go to Sheen or Fulham and pay a taxi to get it home. There could be a good market for anybody selling garden compost in Putney. A lot of people do not bring cars into this part of London so is there a market for a specialist cheese shop In Putney? Where is the nearest? It is a drag to have to get two buses to have to go to the top class one in Barns village.

    That is marketing Bob. Marketing has nothing to do with selling crappy online sales spiel.
    Last edited by path2prosperity; 06-03-2013 at 04:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post

    uldn't have touched in the first place, never mind recruited people into it, because it is clearly illegal.

    The day you start to train people in real world sales and marketing it will be seen.
    Great point LORM. I have just posted to tell Bob what people with real businesses call marketing. I hope that he will learn a few basic marketing skills himself before he starts teaching the subject. How does he recruit and train sales people? Does he know the difference between a sales person and an order taker? Does he know how to differentiate between sales people who achieve the best results selling in a friendly or a hostile environment?

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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    Dr. Bob, if I may quote myself just this once as not to be taken out of context, and to build on my thought. TIA

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Welcome Dr. Bob, I would say you will not find a real engaged audience for MLM here either. Personally, I would say almost all MLM is a cleverly or not so cleverly disguised pyramid scheme. In a Ponzi newer investors money goes to pay for older investors as you now know. In MLM money from newer recruits generally goes straight to the top in the form of whatever introduction package the recruit buys. Then rather than selling as in almost any other business recruits are encouraged to recruit others, and generally buy a ton of stuff they can keep in their garage. At some point, when the have lost all interest and hope, they will likely unload everything they can on EBAY at a huge loss. And this is 90%+ of the folks that get in to MLM. Had they just worked a little harder at their J.O.B., instead of having a bunch of sunshine blown up their backsides they would financially and very likely psychologically in a much better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Hello Ribshaw.
    As far as MLM, I agree, not a very sympathetic audience, lol.
    I am in real estate, stock, commodity, and forex trading, vending, and a few other business's. I am one of those people who if they have five extra minutes in a day, I look to find a business to fill it with. I am not big on the job thing. Don't get along with bosses very well. Tried it, didnt like it. I call it J.U.B. just under broke.

    Thank you for a civil reply,
    Regards and Respect,
    Dr. Bob
    Where to begin. I have been following the thread and there was a comment a while back that you have 300 students at $129 per month in your school. And the above to boot? Plus Zeek, PS, network marketing and all the blogging? Bob when do you find 5 minutes to do anything, you must need surrogates just to go to the bathroom for you. Now let's just call me suspicious and leave it at that.

    On the school, and in fairness I have not evaluated your program so I will speak in general. Did check out your linked in profile. Dr Bob | LinkedIn ( Radio host WizeTrade, seriously?) I lump WizeTrade in with all the other overpriced programs marketed to retail traders. Better Trades, Teach Me to Trade, Investools, Wall Street Workshop, Russ Whitney, Carlton sheets, etc. But don't believe doom and gloom Ribshaw, 82% thumbs down from retail traders. Ratings for Wizetrade My big qualm with ALL of these programs is they are WAY overpriced, ALWAYS involve more training, and they OVER REPRESENT what is possible in the market. And I have almost all of them in some form, I buy them on Ebay for $10-$100 a throw which is about what they are worth. If they were the way to wealth, no one would have them in their garage to begin with, much less let them go for 1% of what they paid.

    Forex, Commodity,Stock, Real Estate and Vending are all separate things that require completely independent skill sets and/or knowledge. Taking trading, something I know a thing or two about, most successful traders trade a small number of markets, and/or have huge teams of people. There are very few successful traders that don't fit that mold and those that do don't peddle their secrets because they "like to teach". But without being excessively verbose, almost no retail Forex traders make money long term, and even less commodity traders do. I have even read quotes from successful commodity "brokers" who have claimed to have NEVER had an account that was not a loser. Hell, even Ken Roberts (Guru) went on in one of his tapes about Larry Williams (Guru) saying that Larry's broker claimed Larry was not a profitable trader. We all know Wade Cook was a terrible trader, and when he went to jail, Darlene Nelson, Ryan Litchfield, Bob Eldridge, et. al. did not run off to set up hedge funds with the billions that go begging for good traders, they went and peddled more classes. Sorry, but the notion that you are "trading" all these markets successfully and "teaching" them just seems pie in the sky. (To save time I will leave Vending Machines and Real Estate for another day)

    As for the J.U.B, just under broke, yeah I get it that is what all of the GURUs say. You don't have to suffer, you don't have to spend 20 years developing a skill set, you don't have to actually fill a need, just pay $5000 for my "special training" and you will never have to want ever for anything. I really consider that all bullshit. Sure you can find me a few success stories, just like I can find a few swimmers that were saved by dolphins. Most people, I believe would be better served to apprentice a skill, whether that be plumber, accountant, trader, real estate guy or vending king by WORKING in the industry. And then when and if the time is right moving on to do their own thing. All the while keeping debt down and piling up savings in something they feel comfortable with and understand.

    Now if you are telling people up front there is a 90% + chance that they will fail to make any money even after taking your training and this is very clear, and there is no 20% a month, apple in to an orchard puffery involved then that is up to them to spend their money. But seeing a ton of these things, I have never encountered that ONCE in a guru presentation.
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    Hello Ribshaw,

    I was Wizetrade and Premieretrades super star. With Wizetrade I turned 30k into a 1.5 million in 1 1/2 years. They gave me my own radio show (unpaid) and put me on tour to all of their events. I always told all traders that I probably wouldnt be seeing them next year when I look into the audience because most of you will fail. Yes it was expensive, it cost me $3,500 dollars, but it did teach me the basics and my reading etc. was what added to my skill. I dive head first into everything I do. If you google Dr. Bob PremiereTrade you will find premiere gets some pretty bad review, but I always was listed as the one exception to the bad reviews. Google, dr bob forex, and dr bob wizetrade.

    I always taught from the hip and told it like it was. One of the reasons that I was fired from Premiere was because I always traded with my own live account, not the demo bull crap you usually see. I would go on the air with a $200,000.00 account and trade it in front of around 1200 or so people. I walked the walk, not only talked the talk and this made some of the other instructors look bad.

    You mention Ken Roberts, he was my beginning his course. He taught me candle stick patterns. I for one believe anything that has candle sticks is basically traded the same. I think if you can trade one, you can trade them all.Some agree with thins and some don't depends who you ask. Supposedly, I created 16 millionaires. I cannot verify this, because I can only go by what the people tell me, I didnt have access to their accounts of course.

    When I taught my marketing class this morning, just finished. I told everyone in the room, about a hundred people today, that their chances of success are minimal but if they implement what I teach them, they will improve on that chance. Todays class was on face to face referral marketing. A staple learning method for a network marketer. The first thing I learned in Amway. Again, I stressed that by this time next year, most of "you" will be gone. Making it in network marketing takes a combination of skill, extreme hard work, and a bit of luck. Not much different than selling insurance. Insurance salesmen, 97% failure rate.

    Despite what people here are trying to say, I try to be real up front about peoples chances of success. I taught one seminar where I started off by saying, "Welcome, over the next three days, I am going to be teaching you some of the fundamentals of network marketing, possibly one of the hardest business's in the world to achieve success at. I will do my best to give you every advantage I can to increase your success rate."

    I believe that if people want the chance to better themselves and you are straight and honest with them about their chances, it then becomes their decision. In every presentation that I give I tell people the industry standard is a 98% failure rate. I then tell them that I am going to TRY and make their chances better, through knowledge and education.

    Once again, I thank you for your civil replies, even when we disagree. I genuinely appreciate that. I will be recording a new presentation today, where I call ourselves a school rather than a University at the advice of some of the people here. I take CONSTUCTIVE criticism very well, and change things when appropriate.

    I personally think network marketing is one of the few business's where you can take a very low amount of money, work like a dog, and actually make something of yourself. Many don't believe that, and of course we are all entitled to our opinions.

    Donald Trump said that if he lost every dime, he would find a network marketing company and work the hell out of it till he was right back where he started. Kiyosaki says the same.

    Some like it and some don't, but as we have seen on this forum, only the majority are entitled to an opinion, lol. I honestly believe in network marketing and will continue to be involved in it in an up front and honest way.

    Thank you again for your reply,
    Dr. Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Donald Trump said that if he lost every dime, he would find a network marketing company and work the hell out of it till he was right back where he started. Kiyosaki says the same.
    Will reply longer later. But don't know that Trump ever said this as much as it is an MLM urban legend that has been around for years. And if he did it was after he started his own MLM. The only thing Trump should say is if everyone had a successful daddy that gave them $30,000,000 to start out and bailed them out big time on more than one occasion then we could all be rich pompous blowhards. As for RK and RDPD, he is a complete fraud. 100% know nothing F'ing blowhard. He did one thing well, convince people he actually accomplished anything other than telling people how to accomplish things. He is a salesmen, but before Amway started pushing his books, because he gushed about MLM he was a nobody. And a world class liar.
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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    By the way, I might mention that the person who started this post, Bust the block is a member of quattro educational systems, and is still enrolled

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    As for RK and RDPD, he is a complete fraud. 100% know nothing F'ing blowhard. He did one thing well, convince people he actually accomplished anything other than telling people how to accomplish things. He is a salesmen, but before Amway started pushing his books, because he gushed about MLM he was a nobody. And a world class liar.
    Amen!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    By the way, I might mention that the person who started this post, Bust the block is a member of quattro educational systems, and is still enrolled

    Dr. Bob
    So are plenty of journalists, historians, legal authority employees, researchers and people who are looking at a program to make up their own minds about its modus operandi. "SBM" and "okosh" joined Adlandpro about a couple of years ago. Do you think that either of them joined to advertise ponzis on Scamlandpro? They had very different reasons for being members.

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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    mar·ket·ing
    noun \ˈmär-kə-tiŋ\



    Definition of MARKETING

    1a : the act or process of selling or purchasing in a market

    b : the process or technique of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service

    This is directly from the Miriam Webster Dictionary

    Dr. Bob

    2

    : an aggregate of functions involved in moving goods from producer to consumer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    mar·ket·ing
    noun \ˈmär-kə-tiŋ\



    Definition of MARKETING

    1a : the act or process of selling or purchasing in a market

    b : the process or technique of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service

    This is directly from the Miriam Webster Dictionary

    Dr. Bob

    2

    : an aggregate of functions involved in moving goods from producer to consumer
    A marketer sells his or her ideas as to where to resource products and services and what consumers will pay for those services to his or her boss, a director or shareholders in a Company. He or she also has to sell his or her considerations as to what customers are prepared to pay for those products/services. He or she does not sell pre written sales spiel to a completely unknown audience.

    The quotation does not support your notion that marketing a product involves selling other than for market research purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Donald Trump said that if he lost every dime, he would find a network marketing company and work the hell out of it till he was right back where he started.
    Dr. Bob
    Donald Trump would not need a network marketing company to develop his network. He has a huge network and loosing every dime would not take that away from him. If he took over a network marketing company there would be no networking. Trump would run the thing as an autocracy.

    Most people start to develop develop their own network of friends and aquantances at school. Upper crust Brits are well known for using contacts who wear the old school tie. You do not start developing a network by signing up for some crumby online network marketing school. You start in your pre teens

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    Dr. Bob I am going to quote you a little out of order. And to not lose my conclusion, I do not believe what you are saying, I will say it nicely as the discussion is interesting. And as you say, people are entitled to their opinions. Although I think observations and experience would be better descriptions than just calling things opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    When I taught my marketing class this morning, just finished. I told everyone in the room, about a hundred people today, that their chances of success are minimal but if they implement what I teach them, they will improve on that chance.
    If you told your class this, then it would be a first in MLM history.

    My main thought comes from this link. http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public...ade.com?page=5

    Drbob.JPG

    According to Andy in the post you were a Tattoo artist before you became a trader. On a side note if this is the case, should we not just be calling you Bob? I took the liberty of using my cut an paste "skills" to make a free form screen shot of your picture. Take a look at the jagged edge and tell me in all seriousness how many pep talks, motivational posters, tattoo trainings, books, tapes and hard work before I could make six figures as a tattoo artist? I don't think of myself as a "dreamstealer" in saying it will NEVER HAPPEN.

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    In MLM, the whole reason the folks on the top of the pyramid make so much money is they keep telling people who can ill afford to lose their money, just one more class, one more poster and you will be a six figure guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    I personally think network marketing is one of the few business's where you can take a very low amount of money, work like a dog, and actually make something of yourself. Many don't believe that, and of course we are all entitled to our opinions.
    This statistically is not true, it has nothing to do with opinion. There are many many many very successful businesses that started on a shoestring and yielded the owners huge results. The trick as I mentioned above is it has to be something that is needed, where the owner has the right skill set and then the hard work happy posters, etc. I would even go out on a limb and say there are more plumbers in this country making six figures and becoming millionaires than there are MLM people achieving the same. (This is a limb, but I am pretty sure I am not far off the mark if I am wrong).

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    Hello Ribshaw, I was Wizetrade and Premieretrades super star. With Wizetrade I turned 30k into a 1.5 million in 1 1/2 years.
    This is completely irrelevant even if it is true. See my above comment about the tattoo thing. Basic FACTS, most active retail trading accounts are not profitable, and go to zero very quickly. Many more than once! Of those that are profitable over say 10 years most significantly under perform unmanaged indexes. Traders that can truly compete and perform in that arena will have BILLIONS given to them to manage. Warren Buffet and George Soros will not be speaking at the local Ramada this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    I always told all traders that I probably wouldnt be seeing them next year when I look into the audience because most of you will fail. Yes it was expensive, it cost me $3,500 dollars, but it did teach me the basics and my reading etc. was what added to my skill. I dive head first into everything I do. If you google Dr. Bob PremiereTrade you will find premiere gets some pretty bad review, but I always was listed as the one exception to the bad reviews. Google, dr bob forex, and dr bob wizetrade.
    Dr. Bob, you must be the biggest Debbie Downer of any guru I have ever met. It is like Ribshaw is teaching these classes, 98% fail sheesh. I hear the comment that it was "expensive" but I learned something. Again that is something unique to the MLM/GURU world. We bought a car recently, I did not go to the dealer thinking I hope I pay 10x what this car should sell for because I need basic transportation. As I said, this crap is all over Ebay, Flea Markets, Thrift Shops etc. Telling people at the Holiday Inn to pay $3500 for some crappy training is tantamount to stealing.

    As for the good comments, google "Salting the Mine", and I would expect nothing less from any company that offers training. When bad outweighs the good 4 to 1 you have your answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob View Post
    You mention Ken Roberts, he was my beginning his course. He taught me candle stick patterns. I for one believe anything that has candle sticks is basically traded the same. I think if you can trade one, you can trade them all.Some agree with thins and some don't depends who you ask.
    This is GURU speak and is total nonsense. I use Candle Sticks as they are good to look at, but if a Doji or Shooting Star had a predictive value in ALL markets at ALL times then the High Frequency Traders would program their computers and would be smoking cigars and drinking Cognac before the retail trader could even execute a trade.
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    Re: Quattro Education System - Quattrolearning.com / Dr. Bob Scammer

    The acronym for Double Up Dollars says it all: DUD. You can't make this stuff up folks.

    I know I am going to hate myself for asking this, but Dr Bob do explain where yoiu got your doctorate to be called Dr.
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