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    MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Most of you reading the MLM boards are familiar with Len Clements, founder, owner and CEO of MarketWave, Inc. http://www.marketwaveinc.com

    It would be interesting to hear from anyone that has used Len Clements' services, tools, seminars, "court certified" testimonies, etc. Anyone?

    I am questioning more than a few things listed on Len's site. Here is just one example for consideration:

    Expert Witness Services


    My expert opinion can not be bought!

    Terms:

    $225.00 per hour
    (prorated, no minimum)
    $1,500.00 per day, 8 hour maximum
    (50% for travel days)
    How about rented?
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    You know, that reminds me, I read once that, "money can't buy happiness, but it CAN rent a real good time"...
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    I'm pretty sure good ole Ohein from scam.com could let you know. I think he knows more about Len than Len knows about Len.
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    If it can't be bought, why are there prices?
    Good to see you again Tom.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Actually, I've always wondered about his choice of a username. I mean, 'mwave' is a trade name for mwave.com which is a computer retailer that's been in business for over 20 years. In their case it stands 'MultiWave Technology Inc.'
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    I assumed it's short for Market Wave, his website name, but don't feel safe in making a more affirmative claim than that. Because if were incorrect, even in some minor aspect he'd have a 10,000 word post here explaining that error and drawing conclusions as to my motives for miss-characterizing him on such little information.

    And he'd call me a troll. eeep.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Actually, I've always wondered about his choice of a username. I mean, 'mwave' is a trade name for mwave.com which is a computer retailer that's been in business for over 20 years. In their case it stands 'MultiWave Technology Inc.'
    Funny, I thought 'mwave' referred to his rickshaw business that he uses to cart tourists around the Las Vegas strip.


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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Well, he called our fine colleagues at JREF Pr!cks. So, luckily he just thinks we are trolls, Glim. If I remember correctly Lenny said he was starting to miss Tom and I. I hope he will finish our lively discussion about all those legal vindications of USANA since he is a "court certified expert" and unpaid "Mensa Member" I guess he couldn't afford the very modest renewal fee for Mensa the last few years. :confused:

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    This statement/response is from Lenny pooh to Mr. Donald S. Clark, Secretary Federal Trade Commission 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Room H-135
    N.W. Washington, D.C. 20580.

    Please see attached document regarding rebuttal to comments #535221-00040 posted by Robert FitzPatrick (a.k.a. ''Pyramid Scheme Alert''). Len Clements (court certified multilevel marketing expert), Founder and CEO, MarketWave Incorporated. Disclaimers: 1) MarketWave, Inc. is not an MLM company, nor am I a distributor for, or employed by, any MLM company; 2) All facts cited in my rebuttal documents are sourced and verified.

    Really? So Lenny lies to the FTC? http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/bizop...5221-00121.pdf

    Interesting.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    How pathetic is this poor b*****d? ( Mods, I put the astericks in. I, unlike UnSavedTrash, am behaving lol)

    http://thatmlmbeat.com/members/mwave/

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Maybe on July 14, 2008 he wasn't?
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    I guess he couldn't afford the very modest renewal fee for Mensa the last few years. :confused:

    Soapboxmom
    Well, I see he took care of one other piece of business.

    Did anyone notice the Marketwave Inc. is presently listed in Default with the Nevada SoS?

    It appears that they have not as yet filed their yearly report. It was due last Nov.
    Everything appears up to date now - MARKETWAVE, INC.

    Hope you appreciate us drawing that matter to your attention, Lenny.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    I just cannot decide between the product combo pack or just starting out with one book and one cd. Hmmmm........since Heiney bought all of this garbage, perhaps I should ask him what uses he has found for these items thus far.

    http://www.marketwaveinc.com/products.asp

    books - doorstop
    using the pages to line the kitty litter box
    using the cds as frisbees
    building a cd disco ball
    a cd pizza cutter
    string the cds together to make a mobile to hang over his tiny bed and wonder how he p****d away his life
    hang the cds in a gardento scare the birds away
    use the cds as a coaster for the booze he needs to drown his sorrows
    use the cds as a plate for toasted bagels
    place the cds over the neck of his beer bottles to keep them from spilling
    cut a hole in the center of one of the books to hide his fortune. In his case the hole should be about the size of a quarter.
    Hide the books in the closet along with all of the other tons of worthless MLM crap he has wasted money on over the years so his wife doesn't chuck one at his head.
    So many options............

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by Seriously? View Post
    Maybe on July 14, 2008 he wasn't?
    He was a Usana distributor.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    He was a Usana distributor.
    Ahhh, well... So much for giving the benefit of the doubt...

    Ya blew it, Lenny.
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Well, I see he took care of one other piece of business.



    Everything appears up to date now - MARKETWAVE, INC.

    Hope you appreciate us drawing that matter to your attention, Lenny.
    Something else on the Business registration I noticed,
    Business License Exp: Exempt - 003
    Per the Nevada SoS 'Exempt - 003' means.
    003 A home-based business whose net earnings are not more than 66 2/3 percent of the average annual wage
    Anybody know what exactly that means?
    Is it referring to the national average annual wage?
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Well, what can you say about a man who freely admits: "Over 96% fail within the first year", according to the estimate by “Inside Network Marketing” author Leonard Clements.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Something else on the Business registration I noticed,Per the Nevada SoS 'Exempt - 003' means.Anybody know what exactly that means?
    Is it referring to the national average annual wage?
    "Note: Nevada recently instituted a $200.00 a year Business License. Thus, Nevada requires (NRS 364A) all corporate entities to register for a Nevada Business License ($200.00 charge). Upon completing the form http://sos.state.nv.us/Modules/ShowD...ocumentid=1182, mail it to us with your $200.00. If you are a home based business, not having an office for your specific new business, projecting or making less than $26,600.00, the Business License is waived. However, still fill the form out and tell them you are under exemption 003; send no money".

    Goodness, this is what Len expects to earn/what he actually does earn? You mean he lies, yet again? Say it isn't so!

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by Seriously? View Post
    Maybe on July 14, 2008 he wasn't?
    Please do not think for a millisecond that I am defending Lennie, because I'm not.

    Leonard Wayne Clements was awarded a pre-existing distributor position from USANA Health Sciences near the end of August 2008.This was after Len attempted to defend USANA for the past 18 months against a flood of fraud allegations that hit the company. The company never once defended themselves against the allegations, but Len Clements did it for them. Now USANA gave him a vacated Distributor Position within the company that already has well over 100 distributors in its downline.

    Len Clements claims that he was not “awarded” the distributor position, and followed the company’s policies and procedures for a Transfer of Distributorship. However, the policy requires the distributorship be transferred from the previous account owner to the new account owner. Unfortunately for Len, the previous account owner had already left the company and the position was an empty spot that remains within the hierarchy of distributors.

    The policies and procedures does not allow the company to give existing distributor positions to their buddies.
    So says Michael Webster.

    http://bizop.ca/blog2/due-diligence/...en-clemen.html

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    Hmmm, who really knows the exact date. I read that it was July and not made official/announced until August. And, he knew this was coming as he had been in discussions with Usana for some time. It was not like he woke up one day and got a big surprise. lol It's like asking someone who is driving down the road if they ever drive after drinking and they say no, when in fact they have done it dozens of times previously and do it yet again a short time later and are planning to do it again very soon.

    This is also interesting:

    "Len Clements was given the old distributor position that had already
    been vacated. There was no Transfer of Distributorship. Nothing in
    USANA's policies and procedures states anything about the company
    GIVING away a 15 year old empty distributor account with about 150
    distributors already in its downline.

    Len Clements used to be VP of Market Research for Zenza and was
    recently confirmed by John Milton Fogg that Len Clements was not only
    corporate, but a distributor as well. John would know because Len
    Clements was the one who recruited him. John Fogg has about 1000+
    distributors in his Zenza downline. Now, John Fogg just joined USANA
    as a distributor and was recruited by Len Clements. Len Clements still
    denies being a distributor for Zenza. However, Len Clements used to
    have the Zenza distributor page zenza.us/clements or something like
    that. Only distributors have distributor pages.

    What you may not know is that Len Clements is currently in a lawsuit
    with Zenza. Perhaps you should ask Len why and what it is about.

    So I suspect that Len Clements joined USANA after he convinced USANA
    to offer the same Matching Bonus plan that Zenza has. As compensation
    for Len's work in defending USANA for the past 18 months, USANA gave
    him a prime distributor position with an existing downline, which he
    would enjoy with the Matching Bonus plan after he becomes Pace Setter
    or Platinum Pace Setter. I believe USANA also compensated Len during
    this distributorship deal in other ways as well that Len does not want
    made public. Len has not denied or confirmed this added compensation.

    While Len claims that I am a "Bold Faced Liar", he obviously does not
    want USANA distributors to know about his deal with USANA. He
    definitely does not want the litigation with Zenza to be made public.

    Len does not want distributors to know about his deal with USANA
    because the unfairness would be obvious. While most all distributors
    join USANA at the bottom of the hierarchy (no distributors already
    present in the downline), Len Clements struck a deal with USANA and
    was given a prime position with more distributors (pre-existing) in
    his downline than 99.9% of USANA distributors have ever had. And you
    can't transfer a distributor account from someone who had already
    vacated their position.
    You wrote "Maybe you should check your facts first"
    Maybe you and the rest of the distributors should at least be told the
    facts." September 24th, 2008 http://finance.google.com/group/goog...73a265ee84c613

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Remember also, that Len was defending all over the net and singing the praises of Usana back in May of '07, no less:

    http://www.bizop.ca/blog2/due-dilige...en_clemen.html

    Here is what Robert FitzPatrick had to say to Len:

    http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/USANA-FDI-LenClements.htm


    And:

    "Leonard Wayne Clements was awarded a pre-existing distributor position from USANA Health Sciences in August of 2008. This was after Len attempted to defend USANA for the past 18 months against a flood of fraud allegations that hit the company. The company never once defended themselves against the allegations, but Len Clements did it for them. Now USANA gave him a vacated Distributor Position within the company that already has well over 100 distributors in its downline.

    Can we say they were bedfellows for a very long time?

    Len Clements claims that he was not “awarded” the distributor position, and followed the company’s policies and procedures for a Transfer of Distributorship. However, the policy requires the distributorship be transferred from the previous account owner to the new account owner. Unfortunately for Len, the previous account owner had already left the company and the position was an empty spot that remains within the hierarchy of distributors.

    The policies and procedures does not allow the company to give existing distributor positions to their buddies.

    Len Clements recently left ZENZA. He was their Vice President of Market Research of Zenza Life Sciences, LLC. The word now is that he also used to be a distributor for the company as well! Does he plan to move his existing downline from Zenza to his new position at USANA? I will be keeping a very close eye on that!

    Here are three questions I ask Len:
    1) How many people are in your downline on the leg you claim “doesn’t even always max out”?

    2) What else did USANA give you?

    3) Did you converse with Christine Cunningham personally to buy her USANA Business? Or did you converse with USANA, and USANA gave you that business center after Christine already left?

    Here is Len Clement’s response:
    QUOTE
    term, I’ve explained in detail exactly why I am not going to answer any more of your questions about my acquiring this position. I clearly told you that I know you are not seeking any truths here, you are simply trolling for more fodder that you can spin and distort. Yet, you continue to ask these same questions over and over. So I must ask you…

    1. Are you just ignoring my answer?

    2. Are you illiterate?

    3. Are you just stupid?

    Len"

    http://www.multileveler.com/2006/06/...rks_but_s.html
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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Actually, I believe my quote is attributed to terminatedramp on Mr. Webster's blog.

    I for one, will always be proud that my one and only direct encounter with Lennie came on the JREF forums, when he challenged me to a telephone debate:

    Originally Posted by MWave
    Sounds like you would be a great candidate to accept my challenge.

    It would be just you and I on a recorded conference call, debating the legitimacy of the MLM industry.

    Yes or no?

    Len
    I responded:

    My mother taught I me never to talk to strange...ers.
    (the "I "is struck through)

    http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=809

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Quote Originally Posted by Emet View Post

    I for one, will always be proud that my one and only direct encounter with Lennie came on the JREF forums, when he challenged me to a telephone debate:
    In truth, that is how Lenny gets what few dates he has. Caveat emptor.

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    Has someone invited Lenny to this site?

    Maybe we should make him an admin here?

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    Re: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

    I am the one to uncover and post on the internet the information about Len Clement's USANA distributorship deal. If you have any specific questions regarding Len's USANA relationship, I can provide lots of answers. Most of this was discussed on the Scam.com forum, which apparently is gone forever now.

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