Thread: MarketWave, Inc. - Len Clements

Originally Posted by Lisa

There is a video of Utah's AG clearly endorsing a product, something that he is NOT allowed to do by state law in regards to his position. This isn't about being anti-MLM, nor it is about Usana's posts or anyone else's. For me, it's about the Attorney General of my home state not doing his job like he's supposed to. And it goes deeper than this, in Utah not only are more fraudulent MLM's allowed to grow than anywhere else in the US (as well as real estate scams), they allow payday loan places to pop up everywhere and put almost NO restrictions on them and more. Utah's Attorney General doesn't give a crap about protecting consumers, he just cares about $$ in his pockets.

You're wrong. The AG of Utah is absolutely allowed to speak on behalf of Utah companies and make positive comments about them from the stage. Do you know how I know this? Because in the comment section under the YouTube video of Mr. Shurtleff's speech at the Usana convention USANAWatchdog inadvertently provided the proof! He quoted the entire statute that he though showed evidence that Shurtleff was wrong, but instead of cherry picking only the sections that support his case out of context (which he's a master at, and will probably now do here) he posted the section that he thought made his case, but included the larger, more pertinent section that completely obliterated it.

But please, do bring this three year old video that has been thoroughly discussed on numerous boards and is now ancient news to your dad. I'm sure he enjoys a good laugh.

Len

Originally Posted by Lisa

Utah is the home of a LOT of juice MLM's (Xango sponsors Real Salt Lake - their soccer team). What I never understood is how all these juice companies say how they have the freshest acai berry or whatever fruit it is that they use in their drinks, but Utah is a desert. It's really hard to get much fruit to grow there at all. What I think they mean to say is the freshest freeze dried fruit, which isn't the same as fresh fruit.

When I lived in Utah it was not uncommon for someone to approach my husband or I with a "business opportunity" and try and use the LDS religion as a promotion tool. I also worked for a company that helped with real estate investors looking to do short sales. The company is no longer in business but it worked with another company based out of Provo that would sell people mentoring packages and all this other stuff to help them learn how to invest in real estate for thousands of dollars (some packages are over $10k). I learned that a lot of the information they were selling you could find for free and that their "mentors" were primarily BYU students and other young people who had never spent a day investing in real estate. The packages were a complete and total rip off and they scammed people out of thousands of dollars. They made getting refunds incredibly difficult and I can't even remember how many times I tried helping people who would contact our company trying to get their money back because they realized the whole program was a sham.

I also worked for an online payday loan company that is no longer in business because it was violating laws in other states in regards to the amount of interest that they were charing on the loans ($20 per $100 loaned). The guy who owned it also STILL owns 3 payday loan places with the same interest rates that other state Attorney General's have found to be too high and sued over.

This is funny. You can't even keep a smear Len thread on topic :-)

Len

Well, Lenny, I assume you are going to continue our lively discussion of USANA's legal vindications as you dropped in here. I am still waiting for one. Barry Minkow had all the libel and slander type charges decided in his favor by the judge and was awarded all his 146 grand in attorney fees. The only thing not decided in his favor were the stock manipulation charges which were then settled out of court. Next we have China not taking any action, the SEC here not taking any action and a stock suit that had pleadings that the judge said did not meet to new higher standard for pleadings. So, where are those vindications?

Sopaboxmom

Originally Posted by USANAWatchDog

I sent an email to Robert FitzPatrick in December of 2006 regarding USANA's 2005 distributor earnings report, which was not publicly disclosed at the time. Because Fitzpatrick analyzed other MLM earnings report in his E-book, I thought I would send him the document for USANA. He replied back regarding the calculations he came up with, and I then responded with my analysis of USANA's earnings document. That second email that I sent ended up appearing on the original FDI USANA report at the end of addendum 2.

Because I emailed Robert Fitzpatrick, Len tries to imply that I took part of some short selling scheme. For starters, it is not illegal to short a stock. USANA was not able to prove the allegations in the report released by FDI to be false. USANA decided to sue FDI for some "Naked Short Selling" scheme. USANA was never able to prove any naked short selling was going on. Too bad for Len, I never shorted USANA's stock.

According to Len, the SEC also vindicated Barry Madoff when the SEC investigation ended with no action taken in 1992. Since 1999, the SEC repeatedly received requests to investigate Madoff's scheme, and the SEC ignored the issue. Remember, this is the same SEC that was recently caught watching PORN on your tax dollars instead of doing their job. The SEC did NOT vindicate USANA on "ALL" the allegations. USANA could not disprove any of the allegations. So what makes Len think that the SEC could disprove the allegations when USANA could not? And remember, the court required USANA pay Barry Minkow $142,510, and it was USANA who refused to provide the required discovery.

1) True or False? Len wrote several rebuttals against FDI while being paid a salary from ZENZA as a Vice President of Market Research for the United States. During this time, Len was not involved with ZENZA, and as a result was fired from ZENZA.

2) True or False? Len had lunch with James Bramble and TIm Rilley on April 4th. After lunch they took Len back to USANA's headquarters.

3) True or False? Len was greeted by USANA's employees in the lobby of the headquarters and awarded Len with a huge plaque for his defense of USANA against FDI.

4) True or False? Len discussed with Corporate members the work he did defending USANA.

5) True or False? Len discussed with USANA the idea and plans for a Matching Bonus Plan, which USANA slightly changed before implementing?

6) True or False? Len was given Distributor ID #: 47278 which is a very old position under Pete-Zdanis. This position was originally owned by Christine Cunningham, who left the position several years prior to Len Clements receiving the position.

7) True or False? The distributor Position Len Clements was given was a special case that no rule of USANA allowed. USANA's Transfer of Distributorship rule requires the original account owner to transfer their distributorship position to a new owner. However, since Christine Cunningham left years prior, it was infact USANA Corporate who gave Len the existing distributor position.

8) True or False? This existing position given to Len Clements has one of the legs maxed out while the other leg was virtually empty. New distributors joining USANA start with both legs empty. For Len to be maxing out one of his legs, he had about 150 distributors on that leg.

9) True or False? If Len joined USANA around the time he met with USANA on April 4, 2008, any of the people Len recruited would not have counted toward USANA's Matching Bonus Plan requirements which were implemented at USANA's annaul convention at the end of August.

10) True or False? Since Len joined right before the annual convention at the end of August, any distributors he recruited would apply toward his matching bonus requirement to reach Platinum Pacesetter. Unfortunately for Len, he did not recruit enough people to reach Platinum Pacesetter (100% matching bonus), but instead only made Pacesetter (50% matching bonus).

11) True or False? Len recruited his brother, John Fogg, and Brian Bier into USANA's Business Opportunity as distributors.

12) True or False? It was Len's decision to place John Fogg into USANA's Distributorship instead of a Preferred Customer.

13) True or False? John Fogg's ZENZA distributorship was terminated by ZENZA because Len Clements (Who originally recruited John Fogg and Briant Bier into ZENZA and paid a matching bonus for doing so, which makes Len a DISTRIBUTOR as well) recruited John Fogg into Len's downline as a DISTRIBUTOR. Len blames me for John Fogg's termination, but knows full and well who was truly responsible.

14) True or False? Len left USANA and joined Yoli as a founding distributor with ID# 1000007, which can be shown from this YOLI Distributor List. Len Clements recruited John Fogg and Brian Bier into Yoli.

Len claims that virtually everything I wrote about him are outright lies. He claims I embellish the truth. I'll let the reader decide.

I will not participate in any live debate with Len Clements. So what? Written Debates offer far more credibility to the one writing the truth. People reading the debates can verify the claims. This cannot be done in an oral debate. I've responded to every single posting Len Clements has ever directed to me, but because my responses don't agree with his, he complains...

As is so common, you're rebuttal just completely proved my point. Every single thing on this list is either meaningless (who cares if #14 is true or false?), gross embellishments, or outright lies that I've either completely disproved, or you've made up out of thin air and can't offer the slightest shred of proof to support.

You know all of this because we've went around and around on all these things, some of them for years. Yet, when Heather gives you yet another new forum to post all this garbage, here you are.

Steve (you know we all know - all dozen of us on this board - that you're name is Steve, right?), I understand that you believe you are not a good public speaker, which is your go-to excuse for not discussing all of these issues on a live call. I would think that with the truth on your side, and with all the evidence you would have to support your claims, this would more than compensate for your poor public speaking abilities, but who knows... maybe you're a really, really horrible public speaker. Fair enough. So why don't you go find a partner, like an anti-MLM/anti-Len litigator or a radio host (both of which regularly post on either Scam.com and/or Quatloos), or anyone who does have a good speaking ability to team up with you. Show them all your evidence, and give them all your questions, and let them debate them with me. You can just hide off stage and whisper all your intel to the speaker. Why won't you even agree to that arrangement?

I'm sure it's not because you're completely full of crap, and you know it.

Len

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Well, Lenny, I assume you are going to continue our lively discussion of USANA's legal vindications as you dropped in here. I am still waiting for one. Barry Minkow had all the libel and slander type charges decided in his favor by the judge and was awarded all his 146 grand in attorney fees. The only thing not decided in his favor were the stock manipulation charges which were then settled out of court. Next we have China not taking any action, the SEC here not taking any action and a stock suit that had pleadings that the judge said did not meet to new higher standard for pleadings. So, where are those vindications?

Sopaboxmom

I gave them to you, and you just recited them. But Heather, you are not a rational person who can be reasoned with.

In your mind the SEC can receive all of Minkow's allegations, start an "informal inquiry" into Usana, which requires only the very slightest of suspicion of wrong doing to be raised to the level of a "formal investigation", and after ten months the SEC drops the inquiry and takes no action of any kind - and that, at least to you, is not vindication.

Three class action lawsuits are filed against Usana based entirely, often verbatum, on the charges made in Minkow's report. A derivative suit, a shareholder suit, and a distributor suit. The derivative and distributor suits are dropped by the plaintiff, and the shareholder suit is dismissed on summary, meaning there was so little evidence to support the allegations against Usana that the federal judge believed it would stand no reasonable chance of ever prevailing. In fact, in the judges ruling he stated the charges were not even "plausible". Yet, in your mind, this is not vindication.

Now, here's where you completely evade everything I just said by citing the SLAPP suit ruling against Usana - which is kind of like making a case that the Indians won the war against the US Army by citing Custer's Last Stand.

Usana was OVERWHELMINGLY vindicated!

Len

Lenny,

We are going to stick to written and researched responses. If you are as brilliant as you would have folks believe you should be able to hold your own here. I assume you will be embedding more pertinent court papers about those legal vindications of USANA you have been braying about for over a year.

Good luck!

Soapboxmom

Originally Posted by MWave

Usana was OVERWHELMINGLY vindicated!
Len

Nope.

Usana Health Sciences loses big in court : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

Usana Health Sciences ordered to pay Barry Minkow’s legal fees : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

The dismissal of the Usana Health Sciences case against Fraud Discovery Institute : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

(predidictable response: Coenen and Minkow are both blah, blah, blah...)

Originally Posted by Emet

Nope.

Usana Health Sciences loses big in court : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

Usana Health Sciences ordered to pay Barry Minkow’s legal fees : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

The dismissal of the Usana Health Sciences case against Fraud Discovery Institute : Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog

(predidictable response: Coenen and Minkow are both blah, blah, blah...)

You just did EXACTLY what I predicted Heather would do! Every one of these links relate to the SLAPP decision, not any of the vindications I just described.

Come on, people. I've got work to do today. Stop making this so easy!

Len

Originally Posted by MWave

As is so common, you're rebuttal just completely proved my point. Every single thing on this list is either meaningless (who cares if #14 is true or false?), gross embellishments, or outright lies that I've either completely disproved, or you've made up out of thin air and can't offer the slightest shred of proof to support.

You know all of this because we've went around and around on all these things, some of them for years. Yet, when Heather gives you yet another new forum to post all this garbage, here you are.

Steve (you know we all know - all dozen of us on this board - that you're name is Steve, right?), I understand that you believe you are not a good public speaker, which is your go-to excuse for not discussing all of these issues on a live call. I would think that with the truth on your side, and with all the evidence you would have to support your claims, this would more than compensate for your poor public speaking abilities, but who knows... maybe you're a really, really horrible public speaker. Fair enough. So why don't you go find a partner, like an anti-MLM/anti-Len litigator or a radio host (both of which regularly post on either Scam.com and/or Quatloos), or anyone who does have a good speaking ability to team up with you. Show them all your evidence, and give them all your questions, and let them debate them with me. You can just hide off stage and whisper all your intel to the speaker. Why won't you even agree to that arrangement?

I'm sure it's not because you're completely full of crap, and you know it.

Len

I responded to everything you previously wrote. Because you don't like my response, you give up and refuse to debate online in a written manner. You are hell bent on a live oral debate, which doesn't require the truth to prevail. Everyone seems knows that about oral debates. Why don't you? Oral debates are all about who the better debater is, not who is telling the truth.

So why not go through each of the True/False statements and state which you believe are "lies". You have called me a liar at least 30 times, but have not proven a single thing.

Originally Posted by MWave

Blah, blah, blah.
Len

Same old argument, over and over and over and over:

Quatloos! • View topic - Fraud Discovery Institute's Analysis of USANA

Originally Posted by USANAWatchDog

I responded to everything you previously wrote. Because you don't like my response, you give up and refuse to debate online in a written manner. You are hell bent on a live oral debate, which doesn't require the truth to prevail. Everyone seems knows that about oral debates. Why don't you? Oral debates are all about who the better debater is, not who is telling the truth.

So why not go through each of the True/False statements and state which you believe are "lies". You have called me a liar at least 30 times, but have not proven a single thing.

Don't waste your time with Len. Here's a great post by Foolmewunz over at JREF. Case closed.

"Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam - Page 23 - JREF Forum

So - the old "Debate Me" canard, eh Len? We've had Truthers who thought this was a good idea, (most of them can be located now in Foster's Home For Imaginary Debaters) and they all seemed to have one thing in common with each other (and apparently you); they are Slicky Boys. Fast-talking, glib, experienced public speakers, etc... It doesn't matter whether they have any actual facts. What use are facts in a debate where three out of your five points are all based on "Isn't Len Trustworthy? Isn't Len Swell. Why Don't We All Work Harder to be More Like Len?" Those are all opinion pieces, Len. What are we gonna do? Stand there and repeatedly say, "Are not!"?

And, by the way, I'm a trainer and very adequate public speaker. And I'm a fast-talking New York Jewboy, so you set up the venue. Topic: Just How Successful and Swell Is Len, Anyway?

I will, of course, require full disclosure - including Powers of Attorney so that I can contact your bank and your accountant and financial advisor plus, naturally, all your teachers, doctors, co-workers, etc... throughout your entire life. I mean.... Swelldom is a lifelong thing, right? You don't just attain swellness overnight. I should know, I took the Michael J. Fox Swelliness Awareness course to get this swell, so I'm definitely an authority on the subject. Why I've been asked to testify in several of the better known Swellitude investigations in Malaysia and Bhutan.

I mean, why clutter the discussions with all that crap about MLM? There are books written on the subject, dozens of books, pro-and-con. What are you going to settle in a six hour debate that hasn't been covered in the hundred thousand pages that have been written on the subject? But a debate on your swellness (which seems to be your main concern) should be well worth it.




The Venerable Get A Life Fallacy. Some of us are actually retired, Len. Some of us aren't. Some of us are students. Yet again, some of us are poor, but use the internet as a lifeline. Some of us are just plain frakkin' rich from never having had our bank accounts sucked dry by some slick outta town gambler or MLM profiteer. And some of us have jobs where we can use the internet at work and don't have to stop off at Ray's Internet Cafe and Frog Gigging Center on Route 11.
Oh, and I'd match my life - quantity and quality - to yours any day. Drop in next time you're in Hong Kong. Or have your girl call my girl. We'll do lunch next time I'm on the coast, babe.

Len - I'm still wondering how many people have bought your programs and other assorted books, CDs, etc. that you hawk on your site. Can you provide any documentation that they prospered from the purchase(s)? I know one person that bought your stuff and isn't exactly living even middle class. Any testimonies?

When was the most recent time you were hired for your expert "court certified witness" capabilities?

How many people have you recruited into Yoli that made a purchase in the past month?

And finally, are you currently looking into another MLM opportunity to move into?

Please take note that this is not just another "bash Len" post. It's asking for business information where you're involved, things which you promote on your website.

Originally Posted by MWave

You just did EXACTLY what I predicted Heather would do! Every one of these links relate to the SLAPP decision, not any of the vindications I just described.

Come on, people. I've got work to do today. Stop making this so easy!

Len

Fancy a challenge, do ya Lenny?

How about the JREF Forum? That certainly didn't seem too easy last time.

Wand up, Mensa Man, and let's boogie. BYO Magic Stick™.

Len - I'm still waiting to see some testimonies of how your mentoring, advice, recommendations, CDs, books, etc. have worked out for the suckers, ah, I mean people that purchased this stuff. Anything?

As this thread is about Len, I would like to ask:

Is it true that he was just banned from scam dot com?

Wasn't he an admin there?

Yes and Yes....

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Fancy a challenge, do ya Lenny?

How about the JREF Forum? That certainly didn't seem too easy last time.

Wand up, Mensa Man, and let's boogie. BYO Magic Stick™.

Welcome!

P.S. Hey Lenny, You can even bring your choice of Jungle Juice or Yoli BLAST Caps.

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  Len nailed it. When I was first introduced to network marketing I was very skeptical. However, I was “looking” and I was open. Having come from a backround in investments doing ones due diligence was not only necessary but in some cases almost mandatory. So I did my homework and I did more homework….and I tried some products and I got excited. It’s not always an easy business but it is a simple business and I’ve never regretted it.
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Soapboxmom

I started my business with very little money and have taken no business courses.....just learned from being around the right people and observing. I bet I'm making way more than the saps they suck in.

clements.jpg

Hmmn,

if I was weally, weally kwool, I'd say there's a perfect opportunity for an "add a caption" competition here, involving comparisons between digit size and the size of various appendages.



But, even I couldn't be THAT cruel, so I'll remain silent.

Len Clements acts as an MLM consultant and supposed MLM Legal Expert. Recently, Len has been defending the fact USANA has a lot of Chinese Nationals from mainland China signing up as distributors in Hong Kong. Makes the following claim on the Yahoo forum:

Chinese residents establishing and operating MLM businesses in Hong Kong is a perfectly open and legal practice. You know this but refuse to acknowledge it because it would prove your case against Usana is a deliberate lie.

Steve, are you so desperate now that you have to unbury old, long lost arguments from three years ago?

Usana won. You lost.

- Yahoo! Message Boards - USANA Health Sciences Inc. Comm - Usana China Threat to Share Owner

Now I want to post my answer to this here because my responses have been known to be removed from the Yahoo forum when it proves Len to not know what he is talking about.

Here is my response:

From Zhao04: Nov 30, 2005
1) http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...
QUOTE
Usana cut 1400 Chinese distributors who went to Hong Kong to join. From this event you can feel how hot Chinese market is. Some Chinese already start to build their team, mostly from Taiwan. But Usana is firm. If it receive any complant about someone building his team in china, Usana will kill him. Because Chinese government sets the law to prohimit multilevel direct sale all big companies there need to find a way to adjust their system.
END QUOTE


From G_star12: Nov 30, 2005
2) http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...
QUOTE
What do you mean 1400 Distributors "were cut"?
Were they terminated by Usana as a résult?
This is very interesting, can you please be more specific on that.
Thanks
END QUOTE


From Zhao04: Dec 1, 2005
3) http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks...
QUOTE
yes. usana terminated 1400 chinese who went to hong kong to join.
END QUOTE

So Len consults for other MLM companies. Does Len advise these companies that have operations in Hong Kong to allow Chinese Nationals from mainland China join their MLM company through illegal means? China has banned all forms of MLM in their country. Len seems to think it is okay for Chinese Nationals to join MLMs as long as they open the account in Hong Kong. Again, this guy consults MLMs...

Also, to make the previous post make more sense. USANA now has 70,000 active associates in Hong Kong. That is 1 out of every 100 Hong Kong citizens. To put this into perspective, USANA has 51,000 active associates in the United States which is 1 out of every 6046 US citizens. Also, uncovered is an internal USANA document where they admit that a "LARGE SUM" of product ends up in mainland China.

Well, you are talking about a true anonymous troll idiot that feels he must prove the Amega Wand to be a hoax. I guess if he doesn't, he'll be forced to believe that it works. Or perhaps his angle is blackmailing them into giving him some high position in the scam. He and his two other boyfriends are behind in starting their very special 'straw' mlm.

Originally Posted by USANAWatchDog

Also, to make the previous post make more sense. USANA now has 70,000 active associates in Hong Kong. That is 1 out of every 100 Hong Kong citizens. To put this into perspective,

Are you sure those numbers are correct ???

If the figures are accurate, the "active associates" in Hong Kong really are in trouble WRT selling of product or they are all having to market into Mainland Asia.

1 in 100 "associates" only gives each "associate" 99 people to whom they can sell their cra......err......health product.

There are just over 7 million citizens in Hong Kong. I have a question. How can anyone prove that all the distributors listed or registered from/in Hong Kong are actually citizens of Hong Kong? How many of these distributors are actually from mainland China or even from Taiwan?? I find it very hard to believe that you could walk up and down Harbor City or Pacific Place and meet hundreds of Usana reps. How would one actually know or get the true figures for active reps/distributors also? Aren't all MLMs and and any forms of multi level marketing still banned by the Chinese government? How are they getting around this? How many reps are they claiming are in Singapore? Also the populace are still very much into natural herbs, teas, various ingredients like fish oils, certain parts of various sea creatures, various algaes, roots, leaves, berries, fungal products and the like. I do know that a lot of Centrum is sold there, though. Do Usana product meet all of the requirements, labeling requirements, ingredient and other regulations to be sold there? (Chinese Medicine Ordinance)