Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Originally Posted by nerd

Very interesting thank you.

So what was different about this case? How come the pimps in this scam received there comeuppance, but pieces of **** like stepsys have been able to scam with impunity for 20 years?

I believe it comes down to who you steal from and little more. The size of the scam and people's position may have something to do with it. As Eagle mentioned Kiley had a pretty big radio following and knew or should have known. Cook's scam was on par with MAP so I would ask what is the fundamental difference between recruiting $30M in Simon's case or $150M in Kiley's case? Simon is probably stealing from people with little recourse beyond complaining to an overworked bureaucratic system. Not that it doesn't exist, but I have heard nothing of Stepsys being questioned in reference to Banners Broker which was also on par with Cook's scam.

Madoff, Stanford, Rothstein and a few others took from well connected people and paid the price. Although, even with their convictions others were sentenced for being helper bees in the schemes and barely got a slap on the wrist. There are scores of run of the mill Ponzi promoters that do a few years and walk. No rhyme or reason to it, but that can be said about much of the justice system.

Originally Posted by nerd

Is it just the fact there are hundreds of these scams going at any one time and there are only resources to prosecute a fraction of them?

Sheer volume makes it almost impossible to effectively police.

The US is one of the few countries that pursues this sort of crime, if you are following Traffic Monsoon look at the thanks they get. MAP is the same scam as Traffic Monsoon, even promoted by some of the same people. How does one get missed, and one shuttered? Paypal probably had a big hand in getting the SEC to look at Monsoon. Since MAP was funneled through VX Gateway not so much. Participants won't complain until the money dries up, and if the SEC moves first the evil gubmit will be damned to eternity.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Patrick Kiley was a radio host and was promoting the Ponzi on his show. As for Simon, you'll have to ask the UK authorities as to why he hasn't been arrested and charged for all his crimes.

Eagle, I wish I knew why the Uk authorities have not moved against Stepsys (and others)! I am ashamed that they have not, especially when ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, and cash gifting schemes are all illegal here. Our American cousins don't mess about, look how they have jumped on Traffic Monsoon for a start.

Last year, I had correspondance with Sajjid Javid, then Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. I drew his attention to various schemes, and suggested that the UK government should take them more seriously as they were runing lives and affecting sommunities. I got a long, wordy reply back, but the upshot was that he was satisified that there were sufficient measures in place to deal with these schemes. And that was that. Not interested!

There might indeed be sufficient measures in place. I don't know, because as far as I can tell, they have never been tried out.

My view - and this is only a thought I have - is that there is a class based element in all this. The people who join these schemes are generally from working class, unemployed, or very lower middle class communities. These schemes are not high profile, if they exist at all, in the wealthier areas of the UK. The solid middle class don't join them, and it is this class that is the most vocal and organised when it comes to protesting about things. When we had serious flooding in the Uk a couple of years ago, the Government did very little while it was only the south west of England that was affected. Farmers in the south west were left to get on with it. It was only when the flood water started lapping about millionaire's houses in Maidenhead, Berkshire (near London) that the Government woke up and decided it had better do something!

People may say that there isn't a class system here, but there is. Once a few bossy middle class people get involved in a scheme that fails, and then realise they have been scammed, we might get some action. Until then, forget it. IM(very) HO.

OH NO!!!! HE'S BAAAACCCKKK!!!

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Another book! And what sort of cover has he gone for this time??

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Classy, hey? And are people pleased about this?

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Well, some are. But why have comments been disabled? Surely naughty people are not writing horrid things???? Or even worse, ASKING DIFFICULT QUESTIONS?

Surely not!

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Eagle, I wish I knew why the Uk authorities have not moved against Stepsys (and others)! I am ashamed that they have not, especially when ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, and cash gifting schemes are all illegal here. Our American cousins don't mess about, look how they have jumped on Traffic Monsoon for a start.

Last year, I had correspondance with Sajjid Javid, then Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. I drew his attention to various schemes, and suggested that the UK government should take them more seriously as they were runing lives and affecting sommunities. I got a long, wordy reply back, but the upshot was that he was satisified that there were sufficient measures in place to deal with these schemes. And that was that. Not interested!

There might indeed be sufficient measures in place. I don't know, because as far as I can tell, they have never been tried out.

My view - and this is only a thought I have - is that there is a class based element in all this. The people who join these schemes are generally from working class, unemployed, or very lower middle class communities. These schemes are not high profile, if they exist at all, in the wealthier areas of the UK. The solid middle class don't join them, and it is this class that is the most vocal and organised when it comes to protesting about things. When we had serious flooding in the Uk a couple of years ago, the Government did very little while it was only the south west of England that was affected. Farmers in the south west were left to get on with it. It was only when the flood water started lapping about millionaire's houses in Maidenhead, Berkshire (near London) that the Government woke up and decided it had better do something!

People may say that there isn't a class system here, but there is. Once a few bossy middle class people get involved in a scheme that fails, and then realise they have been scammed, we might get some action. Until then, forget it. IM(very) HO.

Congratulations on a brilliant post Della and a gold star for your attempt to involve Sajjid Javid.

Perhaps somebody in the less Old Etonian Chums cabinet would be more inclined to be receptive. Theresa May cabinet list

Somehow, the attachments do not open from this post Della . Please repost :

OH NO!!!! HE'S BAAAACCCKKK!!!

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Another book! And what sort of cover has he gone for this time??

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Classy, hey? And are people pleased about this?

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Well, some are. But why have comments been disabled? Surely naughty people are not writing horrid things???? Or even worse, ASKING DIFFICULT QUESTIONS?

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Originally Posted by Della Cate

Eagle, I wish I knew why the Uk authorities have not moved against Stepsys (and others)! I am ashamed that they have not, especially when ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, and cash gifting schemes are all illegal here. Our American cousins don't mess about, look how they have jumped on Traffic Monsoon for a start.

Last year, I had correspondance with Sajjid Javid, then Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. I drew his attention to various schemes, and suggested that the UK government should take them more seriously as they were runing lives and affecting sommunities. I got a long, wordy reply back, but the upshot was that he was satisified that there were sufficient measures in place to deal with these schemes. And that was that. Not interested!

There might indeed be sufficient measures in place. I don't know, because as far as I can tell, they have never been tried out.

My view - and this is only a thought I have - is that there is a class based element in all this. The people who join these schemes are generally from working class, unemployed, or very lower middle class communities. These schemes are not high profile, if they exist at all, in the wealthier areas of the UK. The solid middle class don't join them, and it is this class that is the most vocal and organised when it comes to protesting about things. When we had serious flooding in the Uk a couple of years ago, the Government did very little while it was only the south west of England that was affected. Farmers in the south west were left to get on with it. It was only when the flood water started lapping about millionaire's houses in Maidenhead, Berkshire (near London) that the Government woke up and decided it had better do something!

People may say that there isn't a class system here, but there is. Once a few bossy middle class people get involved in a scheme that fails, and then realise they have been scammed, we might get some action. Until then, forget it. IM(very) HO.

Great post Della.

My opinion on the matter is, the countries are coming at it from the wrong direction. We will never catch all the scammers. If we jail one bad guy, a new one will will take their place.

We must stop 'the people' from participating and take away the scammers fuel. This is done by education and then enforcement on the participant side of things. My intention is not to harm, accuse, place blame on the true victims; I genuinely believe it's the only way to get a handle on it and stop the daylight robbery.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

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So it's not named The Map Addiction Vol. 2?

Originally Posted by Char

So it's not named The Map Addiction Vol. 2?

Don't know what you're seeing but I'm seeing 'still addic 2.0'

Originally Posted by Char

So it's not named The Map Addiction Vol. 2?

A very good point.

Looking at the blurb our boy has given, it doesn't look as if there is a direct reference to MAPs in book number 2.

I think it's on its way out.

Over on the MAPS Uk Team FB page (run by the Great Communicator, Tony Booth, and his lovely wife, Lynne) we have these postings. Naturally, no answers from Tony and Lynne. They last posted something on this page on 7th May...what's that, four months ago?

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And Roberto, I have the answer to your question "What's the catch?". The catch is that none of the numbers on your screen are REAL.

MAP is indeed finished ! Payouts & Profit share will simply never resume after this Point. This Ponzi is now dead !

I am convinced that Simon Stepsys is backing away from MAPs. OK, I could be wrong. I know these things can stagger on - look at Banners Broker in its final months, it was like a wounded animal that needed to be put out of its misery - but I do wonder if MAPs is going to go on for much longer.

Looking at our boy Simon's FB page, what do I see? Loads and loads of motivational woo, pictures of flash cars and motorbikes (often shared photos from sites with names like "stupid rich" and "rich lifestyles"), but very, VERY little about My Advertising Pays. Yes, there are occasional pictures and bits scattered amongst the car pictures, but that's all they are - occasional. And that includes those "Simon Stepsys shared a memory" posts - i.e., old MAPs postings from a year or more ago. Nothing new.

Gary Strong is still plugging away....sort of...but .he's now more interested in his own venture, Strong SEO, and is dropping hints about something new in the wings. (His main interest IMO seems to be pictures of himself trying to look like a hunky jetsetter Keep practising, love!)

As far as I can see, it's not looking good. I'm just wondering when, and in what new venture, the main players are going to pop up again.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Hey! Good news, eh??

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Mark "The Gerbil" Ghobril is with MAPs all the way!

Just like he was with Banners Broker, hmmm??

Just to say that The Gerbil has removed the above posting from his FB page.

Gone in a flash! How strange!

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

MAP is indeed finished ! Payouts & Profit share will simply never resume after this Point. This Ponzi is now dead !

There may be some final death throes but Simon and co will be hiding under a rock.

Breaking news...Andrew Walker buys a new taxi.......Finney grovels for his old job back, is homeless and a street peformer....Devlin hartman accused of wife beating....Dickie Arseblaster fails again with clickbank...Gary Strong buys a pub with ponzi profits and drinks himself to death...Booth, stepsys and the gerbil do a moonlight flit with bulging suitcases with Interpol in hot pusuit.....one can only hope.

Uh Oh, the MAPpets are revolting.



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Undoubtedly we'll begin see a lot more Facebook posts like these in the coming weeks.

yeah. it's gotta get shut down now so the pain subsides by Black December.

But all the while, remember :

"Despite Profit Share being stopped you MUST click your ads in order to ensure the time is added back to your membership.
Thanks
Lynne Booth'"



So, Keep Clickin... MAP is for Life !

Another pimp calls it:
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Now the plot thickens. MAP was counting on the hearing for Charles and TM taking place on 9/23. Now that the hearing has been rescheduled until 11/1, it has put them in a real bind. They knew they could get away with no payments until after the 23rd, but now they know they can't stop payments through 11/1 without having to come up with a load of excuses to extend non-payment past 11/1 to give them enough time to hopefully get enough new members on board to re-open the payment spigot.

So expect to hear that they had to move the database to new servers because MAP outgrew their existing server, and then surprisingly there were unforeseen issues that has delayed the transfer to be completed on schedule. Then they will tell everyone not to panic as everything is super-duper fine, and while a minor setback, the IT team is working nonstop to get the problem resolved; Or they will come up that they have uncovered fraud and they have to do an audit and until the audit is completed, they cannot resume payments; or they will say they have been hacked and money was stolen, but they have the authorities working on it and as soon as they get the money back the payments will resume. Now there are other scenarios they could use, but these 3 are the big ones that sound plausible of taking an extraordinary amount of time to complete. This buys them the time they need to recruit, recruit, recruit to get enough new money coming so they can resume payments for a while longer.

To be honest I am shocked they haven't tried one of these excuses as a trial balloon to see how it flies with the members, but we may see one of them tried soon as the members are getting restless and many are really nervous. Many are fearful they've been had, and are slowly realizing they have and are voicing it publicly. Most definitely these next 3-4 weeks are going to be very, very, very interesting and trying times for Mike Deese, the Booth's, Simon, and all the other major pimps of this Ponzi. If MAP gets shut down soon, it is going to send a major shock wave through all the rev-share opportunities currently operating and they will fail and start falling like dominoes.

We may need more popcorn for TM and MAP before November 1. I got my 64 oz big drink cup just in time, as well as my 2 cases of popcorn and comfy recliner. Let the fun and games begin.

Again, in my opinion it does not matter for the course of MAP when a Hearing or any sentencing in the TM case will be done. The damage was done the Moment the TM Website was shut and TM's funds where confiscated. This was Signal enough for all Mapsters to know their funds are doomed too, eventually.

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

But all the while, remember :

"Despite Profit Share being stopped you MUST click your ads in order to ensure the time is added back to your membership.
Thanks
Lynne Booth'"



So, Keep Clickin... MAP is for Life !

For life in prison?

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

Again, in my opinion it does not matter for the course of MAP when a Hearing or any sentencing in the TM case will be done. The damage was done the Moment the TM Website was shut and TM's funds where confiscated. This was Signal enough for all Mapsters to know their funds are doomed too, eventually.

I totally agree the damage was done when TM was shut down and the funds and assets were frozen. I have even said so here, but this is about when MAP can start paying again. They knew they did not have to come up with an excuse as to why payments were not being made until after the hearing took place. They knew they could get away with just telling the members not to panic as everything is OK and will be fixed soon, and the members would believe it. The absolute longest they could go without paying was the end of this month without having to provide a plausible excuse for non-payments. Now it is a whole new ballgame. Now they are being forced into coming up with an excuse that buys them more time, or they have to start paying something to keep it going.

What is the correlation between when MAP can start payments and the date of scamvilles hearing?