Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

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You don't have to understand it, but just do what your sponsor says?

Doesn't that sound a bit cult-like? It certainly does to me. I'd NEVER be willing to surrender my will and my common sense to someone else.

Especially if that someone else was Top Tip Man

exact same thing was said in banners broker scam.

Originally Posted by nerd

I fully agree that recruiting is heavily encouraged and that if you want to make any decent money without putting your own money at risk you need to recruit. I know I am nitpicking, but when i first looked at all the scam blogs months ago before deciding to get involved, I discounted everything because a lot of the technical aspects of MAPS that people were describing werent accurate, so im my mind I thought: "These people dont even understand how MAPs works so everything else they are saying is probably wrong too", and then out came my credit card.

If this was what happened to me Im sure that the same thing has happened to others as well. Right up until the last discussion I had with my sponsor regarding MAPs he was still using this as a reason for why I shouldnt be listening to the "haters". I just think we have a much better chance of warning people away from MAPs if our facts are spot on.

they are encouraged to recruit because they absolutely have to recruit or as ribs says, it's over. There is no 'advertiser' money. That's how ponzis work. If this were legit, everyone could pull all their money out tomorrow and it would keep ticking. If that happened for real, game over. Otherwise, everyone should be joining for free and reaping the same benefits as they do now. I mean, it's not based on recruiting right? But they can't because there is only one source of funds.

Originally Posted by nerd

When someone in your downline buys an advertising product you recieve a 10% commission. So what he is saying is that combined all the people he has sponsored have bought over $10 million in credit packs and other nonsense, so he has received over $1 million in commissions

Ah see then it makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up

But I'm still pretty skeptic about this amount nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Caner

Ah see then it makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up

But I'm still pretty skeptic about this amount nonetheless.

He has over 4000 referals, so even if only 10% of them were buying one credit pack per day that would be $2000 a day in referral commissions. So I think the numbers are accurate

Originally Posted by nerd

He has over 4000 referals, so even if only 10% of them were buying one credit pack per day that would be $2000 a day in referral commissions. So I think the numbers are accurate

My turn to nitpick a smidge. Simon claims to have over 4000 referrals and has claimed to have brought in $10,000,000. Without independent confirmation we have no way of knowing and could just as easily assume Simon concocted one more lie designed to rope in suckers.

Shaun Smith also of MAPS, claims to have earned over $1,000,000 in ZEEK (See Below) but the receiver is going after him for $262,900.31. One could envision several scenarios causing the HUGE discrepancy, but without the financials my assumption is he was lying.

Simon makes money promoting scams, I would even put it in six figures. Whether he is a millionaire from his thievery is open to some debate, as this industry is filled with liars.

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Originally Posted by nerd

I fully agree that recruiting is heavily encouraged and that if you want to make any decent money without putting your own money at risk you need to recruit. I know I am nitpicking, but when i first looked at all the scam blogs months ago before deciding to get involved, I discounted everything because a lot of the technical aspects of MAPS that people were describing werent accurate, so im my mind I thought: "These people dont even understand how MAPs works so everything else they are saying is probably wrong too", and then out came my credit card.

If this was what happened to me Im sure that the same thing has happened to others as well. Right up until the last discussion I had with my sponsor regarding MAPs he was still using this as a reason for why I shouldnt be listening to the "haters". I just think we have a much better chance of warning people away from MAPs if our facts are spot on.

It's always nice to have someone see the light and provide info on one's thought process regarding these scams. I know that finding a glitch helped you, just be careful about the next one (not that you are planning on it). What if you missed the glitch? Would you still be in the scam of MAPS? Watch out to not get caught up in the details with these opportunities - silly as that sounds.

After 15 years of this, I have yet to see ANY recruitment based opportunity that works as they say. The only people that make money are the promoters, but these promoters don't tell you the real way they make their money. This is not just for the obvious scams like MAPS, but also ones like Herbalife , Mary Kay - basically anything that involves recruiting for profit.

I'm an across the board "NO" now if it has an option to recruit. It works like a charm, has had a 100% success rate for me after I learned my one lesson with Amway. And, I haven't alienated my "real" friends and family since. I don't even listen to what they are selling if I'm approached - you don't need to as it doesn't matter in the end.

Originally Posted by Char

It's always nice to have someone see the light and provide info on one's thought process regarding these scams. I know that finding a glitch helped you, just be careful about the next one (not that you are planning on it). What if you missed the glitch? Would you still be in the scam of MAPS? Watch out to not get caught up in the details with these opportunities - silly as that sounds.

After 15 years of this, I have yet to see ANY recruitment based opportunity that works as they say. The only people that make money are the promoters, but these promoters don't tell you the real way they make their money. This is not just for the obvious scams like MAPS, but also ones like Herbalife , Mary Kay - basically anything that involves recruiting for profit.

I'm an across the board "NO" now if it has an option to recruit. It works like a charm, has had a 100% success rate for me after I learned my one lesson with Amway. And, I haven't alienated my "real" friends and family since. I don't even listen to what they are selling if I'm approached - you don't need to as it doesn't matter in the end.

I completely agree Char! The product based mlm's are just as much pyramid schemes as MAPS-just that they have an over priced crappy product slapped on top to give a thin veneer of legitimacy.
particularly odious are the 'financial' mlm's!

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Zeek Rewards SCAM

Hello ribshaw,

That post is dated April 11, 2012, and is interesting in a couple of ways. For starters, Shaun says, "4 years ago a fantastic opportunity was launched, it met, must be a 'SCAM', why?"

If he's talking about Zeek, well, Zeek wasn't around in 2008. Nor was it around in 2009. Zeek started in 2010, about midway through the year. There might have been a fold-in predecessor known as MyBidShack doing business through Paul Burks' Free Store Club. It made its debut on the MoneyMakerGroup Ponzi forum in March 2010.

Shaun could not have been in Zeek in either 2008 or 2009. AdSurfDaily was around in 2008, though.

In any event, the April 11, 2012, date of Shaun's post is interesting in another way. Court records suggest the SEC's Zeek probe began on or around April 17, 2012, just six days after Shaun's post. Zeek's first "Red Carpet" event was held on April 18, 2012, a week after Shaun's post. Zeek was a goner about four months later.

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Originally Posted by Char

It's always nice to have someone see the light and provide info on one's thought process regarding these scams. I know that finding a glitch helped you, just be careful about the next one (not that you are planning on it). What if you missed the glitch? Would you still be in the scam of MAPS? Watch out to not get caught up in the details with these opportunities - silly as that sounds.

After 15 years of this, I have yet to see ANY recruitment based opportunity that works as they say. The only people that make money are the promoters, but these promoters don't tell you the real way they make their money. This is not just for the obvious scams like MAPS, but also ones like Herbalife , Mary Kay - basically anything that involves recruiting for profit.

I'm an across the board "NO" now if it has an option to recruit. It works like a charm, has had a 100% success rate for me after I learned my one lesson with Amway. And, I haven't alienated my "real" friends and family since. I don't even listen to what they are selling if I'm approached - you don't need to as it doesn't matter in the end.

Thanks Char. The glitch I found in the traffic exchange was just one thing in a long list of suspicious elements that finally built up to overpower the prospect of making easy money. I would never consider getting involved in anything like this ever again

Originally Posted by nerd

Thanks Char. The glitch I found in the traffic exchange was just one thing in a long list of suspicious elements that finally built up to overpower the prospect of making easy money. I would never consider getting involved in anything like this ever again

Thanks for the reply and I hope you don't mind me picking your brain. Could you do me a favor and define "anything like this" in your statement above?

Any of the rev-share advertising ponzi scam nonsense. Anything that appears on the MAP traffic exchange for example

Originally Posted by PPBlog

Hello ribshaw,

That post is dated April 11, 2012, and is interesting in a couple of ways. For starters, Shaun says, "4 years ago a fantastic opportunity was launched, it met, must be a 'SCAM', why?"

If he's talking about Zeek, well, Zeek wasn't around in 2008. Nor was it around in 2009. Zeek started in 2010, about midway through the year. There might have been a fold-in predecessor known as MyBidShack doing business through Paul Burks' Free Store Club. It made its debut on the MoneyMakerGroup Ponzi forum in March 2010.

Shaun could not have been in Zeek in either 2008 or 2009. AdSurfDaily was around in 2008, though.

In any event, the April 11, 2012, date of Shaun's post is interesting in another way. Court records suggest the SEC's Zeek probe began on or around April 17, 2012, just six days after Shaun's post. Zeek's first "Red Carpet" event was held on April 18, 2012, a week after Shaun's post. Zeek was a goner about four months later.

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Hey Patrick as always your encyclopedia like mind makes me envious, I am hard pressed to remember the names of the scams that imploded last month. I may have wrongly attributed Smith's quote to Zeek.

Two quick takeaways as my suspicion of his claims is still in tact.

The language he was using to promote Zeek is identical to what we are hearing in MAPS.

As I reread Shaun Smith's post he says he has been a full time "online marketer" for over 8 years. Before that he was taking some taxpayer dimes to find himself...

Shaun Bernard Smith
Previous Convictions
1999, 5 years in prison for running fraudulent business opportunity company ‘SBS Designs’

All he really says in the post is a "fantastic" opportunity was launched four years ago and claims to have made a million and it's still going. I jumped to the conclusion he was referring to Zeek, now I am not sure what he is referencing, or if such an opportunity even existed. As you point out there were any number of like minded scams that came and went during those years.

If people want to invest money on the word of a man who was convicted for running the same type of scam as Zeek, and they somehow think MAPS will end any differently, then ignore the low reading comprehension troll.

Hi Subscriber, I am making so much money that I will be at yet one more hotel asking for yours. That's right all this comes from clicking 10 ads per day, it has nothing to do with your fresh cash. This is not a Pyramid Scheme, pffff who told you that? We only need your cash, oh look a puppy. That is totally not how a Ponzi even works dude.


This is CRAZY Money Coming in NON stop!

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Over 42K came in the last week clicking just 10 ads a day.

Now averaging $6K/$7K DAILY, thats over 180K a MONTH.

On track to hit 500K+ per MONTH by September 30th 2015.

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NO Recruiting


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Originally Posted by ribshaw

This is not a Pyramid Scheme, pffff who told you that? We only need your cash, oh look a brand new Lamborghini!

Fixed it for you

Originally Posted by Caner

Fixed it for you

Thanks Mate. That made me think of an interview that took place with one of the new Super Rich in 2008 on CNBC. He had nicer bling than Simon.


Tim Durham is a 45 year old financier from Indiana and heads up Obsidian Enterprises. Durham made his millions from leveraged buyouts and turn-arounds.

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People were collecting payments, until the day they weren't.

Oh, well done for getting this on SS's Maps success Fb page.....

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Presumably the Mappers don't realise that a "schneeball" scheme is a German phrase for a ponzi or pyramid scheme.

Fairly good proof of what people have already said - that the MAPs adverts are in a closed loop and members are simply clicking on each other's ads with no outside viewers.

But I do wonder what the other 7 adverts were for?
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Looks like they are increasing the action in Ireland. Here is Ray Smith from "Team Mapeeters", pushing a meeting.

Ireland has, of course, already had Banners Broker, so I hope people will have learned from that and that MAPs WON'T get much response to their meetings.

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The middle picture, which I haven't bothered to reproduce, is simply a typical conference room with tables and chairs. Nothing wildly exciting!

Maybe it is time to alert the Irish media that the same shills that brought Ireland Banners Broker are now bringing their next Ponzi MAPS to Ireland. A little advance newspaper exposure would definitely put a chill on their recruiting and number of people attending. Wouldn't hurt to get on a radio show or two to warn the public.

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Like Banners Brokers Mark? These people are just unbelievable...

Originally Posted by nerd

Like Banners Brokers Mark? These people are just unbelievable...

It can take several months and multiple program collapses before "normal" people wake up to the fact that a great many of the names they see are paid pimps and shills.

Most people just can't or won't believe that paid pimps / shills are simply doing their job, lying, deceiving, faking and forging, or that HYIP ponzi frauds such as Banners Broker and MAP couldn't survive and prosper the way they do without hundreds or even thousands of pimps and shills like Mark Ghobril, Jamie Waters, Ian Driscoll, Septic Simon Stepsys lying and cheating 24/7

The "usual suspect" HYIP ponzi forums and Facebook pages are full of them, most hiding behind an "innocent" or newbie persona.

can't believe the gerbil is being so 'negative' about someone else's program. lol

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Fairly good proof of what people have already said - that the MAPs adverts are in a closed loop and members are simply clicking on each other's ads with no outside viewers.

But I do wonder what the other 7 adverts were for?
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the usual cycler/matrix garbage you can find out about on this site. there was a screen shot earlier in this thread that showed it.

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Originally Posted by Della Cate

Fairly good proof of what people have already said - that the MAPs adverts are in a closed loop and members are simply clicking on each other's ads with no outside viewers.

But I do wonder what the other 7 adverts were for?
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But yet again, it's the old "this is not legit, come join that instead".

If I had spare money I'd be interested in buying an ad package from MAPS to see what the traffic looks like. But 35$ is wayyyy too much for me to spare right now. Maybe later!