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    January 8, 2l019 is going to be a big day for OC/OL. For on that day the long awaited launching of xcoinx trading platform is to happen. It remains to be seen if it does or not, but in the big picture it is meaningless. The real issue is when will OneCoin begin public trading? OneCoin doesn't need xcoinx to do public trading. The only purpose it serves is to make the members think OC will have its own exchange for trading.

    And the game continues to fool and keep the members "believing" that one day OneCoin will actually be publicly traded and join the ranks of the crypto-currency world. It is never going to happen. the wheels have fallen off the bus and the faithful haven't realized it yet. The only thing OC/OL is really great at is TALK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    The real issue is when will OneCoin begin public trading?
    From Igor Krnic's "onecoin-debate":

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    The validity of the news that Onecoin can be exchanged publicly form January 8, 2019
    Post by madsum » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:46 pm

    I have invested 10K euro in Onecoin. I have been waiting so long to sell it and cash out. Recently somebody told me that it is possible to sell Onecoin from January 8, 2019. However, I didn't believe him. Because he is the same guy who told me that it would be possible to sell from 08.10.18. Nothing happened after that date. I found this forum. Hopefully, somebody can give some genuine news about this matter. Thanks in advance!

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    Re: The validity of the news that Onecoin can be exchanged publicly form January 8, 2019
    Post by Igorkrnic » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 pm

    Hello
    First of all, whoever sold you an investment, he was wrong cause there is no investment here. You paid for online education about the financial world, trading and investing. While the material in there is legit, most people did not care about it, they were just behind coins to sell off for profit. And that is because most networkers only promoted coins and promised profits from coins and that was the wrong and illegal method.

    What many people were lacked to be informed about that there will not be any sell-off possible any time soon cause then that would only collapse the price and kill this vision. And vision is to make a merchant coin that will be used for buying and selling goods and services. For that, we already have dealshaker.com (and beta testing of newdealshaker.com) to spend coins and bring merchants but it is pretty limited cause it is still unknown when merchants will be able to sell those coins.

    So, no one can say for sure that exchange will open in January 2019 althought company is focusing on that. But they were also focusing on October 2018 and that did not happen, it was actually expected cause dealshaker was not ready and market was also not ready, no regulations, bear crypto market in general, the rest of markets (stock, commodities...) did not enter into recesion yet bt October (it is important for some recession to start so new assets like crypto currencies can be a hedge for investors).

    Now, 2019 will be the year of to be or not to be for cryptos, who ever survives 2019 will florish.
    Will Onecoin be one of them? We will see, no one knows, but one thing is SURE: if everyone just wait to sell off coins and exit, it will die for sure.


    Ahh ... got it!

    Did any of these premier Onecoin/Onelife excuse-generators ever manage to explain why people were encouraged to buy the same $110 "educational package" 50 times over for $5,500?

    OneCoin 16.jpg

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    Re: Is Onecoin public yet? October 08 2018 passed!
    Post by Sigma » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm

    All ONE has to do, is use the Xcoinx.com for crypto transactions. Piss on this fiat crap. That’s what got them in trouble in he first place.

    It’s nice though, to know that, Ruja and her merry band of weirdos, sitting pretty with all that cash they collected off the “academic packages.”. Which btw, everyone knew it was how they had to pass it off in order to legally sell the coins.

    So, don’t give me this hoopla about, oh, your handler should’ve told you that you were paying thousands of dollars and euros, for an educational program. Since it’s so normal for ppl to pay that kind of money for sh*t like that.

    They had the Xcoinx opened once before to allow smaller withdraws a day. This time, they should do it with the top 10-20 crypto’s. Especially the Tether. This way, it’s not their problem what ppl do next with the money.

    I told them in several emails in 2016, that they need to just accept BTC, especially in the US. If not, it’s gonna spell trouble. What did they do? Wait till the end of the US deal to start accepting BTC. They would’ve made a killing in the process. BTC was only $1000 and it was perfectly legal.

    The majority of ppl who invested in this are 60-70yrs old. Are you guys gonna wait till they croak to figure this out? How ‘bout taking some of those billions in market cap you guys made and buying some crypto to put on the Xcoinx. Letting some others do the same with there’s and, sell the cryptos back and forth. Plus, it’ll shut all these naysayers up as well.

    Dealshaker is a joke. There’s nothing on their I’d even buy with broken stick. I told my father to put all of this money into BTC back in 2016. Nope. His stupid jackass MLM buddies had him blinded by the bs numbers that I knew, weren’t true.

    This will never be cashed out for any crypto nor, fiat for that matter. Never!!! So, I guess it was pretty much a con game. Now they’ll start using the Terms and Conditions against the investors.

    It’s ok. Ruja and the weirdo bunch made their nut! Wtf do they care who gets to spend this or not. Most will be dead in the next few years with no one to pass it down to. Maybe you can give it to the Religion of Peace so they can go help all of the charities that they’re so involved with.

    What a joke! I’m just so glad my money went to the real crypto. BTC. And, yes. I pay all of my bills with it. I’ve helped all of my family out with it. I’ve cashed it out for fiat and can do whenever I wish.

    Match that smartass!


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    Re: Is Onecoin public yet? October 08 2018 passed!
    Post by Sigma » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm

    All ONE has to do, is use the Xcoinx.com for crypto transactions. Piss on this fiat crap. That’s what got them in trouble in he first place.

    It’s nice though, to know that, Ruja and her merry band of weirdos, sitting pretty with all that cash they collected off the “academic packages.”. Which btw, everyone knew it was how they had to pass it off in order to legally sell the coins.

    So, don’t give me this hoopla about, oh, your handler should’ve told you that you were paying thousands of dollars and euros, for an educational program. Since it’s so normal for ppl to pay that kind of money for sh*t like that.

    They had the Xcoinx opened once before to allow smaller withdraws a day. This time, they should do it with the top 10-20 crypto’s. Especially the Tether. This way, it’s not their problem what ppl do next with the money.

    I told them in several emails in 2016, that they need to just accept BTC, especially in the US. If not, it’s gonna spell trouble. What did they do? Wait till the end of the US deal to start accepting BTC. They would’ve made a killing in the process. BTC was only $1000 and it was perfectly legal.

    The majority of ppl who invested in this are 60-70yrs old. Are you guys gonna wait till they croak to figure this out? How ‘bout taking some of those billions in market cap you guys made and buying some crypto to put on the Xcoinx. Letting some others do the same with there’s and, sell the cryptos back and forth. Plus, it’ll shut all these naysayers up as well.

    Dealshaker is a joke. There’s nothing on their I’d even buy with broken stick. I told my father to put all of this money into BTC back in 2016. Nope. His stupid jackass MLM buddies had him blinded by the bs numbers that I knew, weren’t true.

    This will never be cashed out for any crypto nor, fiat for that matter. Never!!! So, I guess it was pretty much a con game. Now they’ll start using the Terms and Conditions against the investors.

    It’s ok. Ruja and the weirdo bunch made their nut! Wtf do they care who gets to spend this or not. Most will be dead in the next few years with no one to pass it down to. Maybe you can give it to the Religion of Peace so they can go help all of the charities that they’re so involved with.

    What a joke! I’m just so glad my money went to the real crypto. BTC. And, yes. I pay all of my bills with it. I’ve helped all of my family out with it. I’ve cashed it out for fiat and can do whenever I wish.

    Match that smartass!


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    "I will ignore and not comment most of your post cause it is your opinion and you are entitled to have it. But:"

    Sigma wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm
    I told them in several emails in 2016, that they need to just accept BTC, especially in the US. If not, it’s gonna spell trouble. What did they do? Wait till the end of the US deal to start accepting BTC. They would’ve made a killing in the process. BTC was only $1000 and it was perfectly legal.


    Igor: Wait, when the company decided to shut down accepting USA customers, you told them just to accept BTC and it will all be fine? Seriously?

    Sigma wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm
    What a joke! I’m just so glad my money went to the real crypto. BTC. And, yes. I pay all of my bills with it. I’ve helped all of my family out with it. I’ve cashed it out for fiat and can do whenever I wish.


    Igor: If you bought BTC back in 2016 it was around $600, today it is $3900 so it is like 6.5x gain. Unless you invested 6 figures or more, I don't see how BTC gain can pay your bills, at least it will not for a long time, especially cause I hear birds say it will go down again.

    Sigma wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm
    Match that smartass!


    Igor: Based on what you said, not so sure if you are smart at all, you seem more like a troll. Cheers."

    And all the sycophant followers will accept Igor's answer not the post by Sigma. Welcome to the Cult World of OneCoin, and Igor's excuse blog.
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    The level of detail and ideas on OC debate to make OneCoin work crack me up. No one seems to care that they were always dealing with a convicted crime family, out of Bulgaria, using the scam of MLM, whose extravagant and wealthy leader has now gone AWOL.

    But let’s talk about improvements on Dealshaker and conversion rates etc.. IDIOTS!

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    One wonders just how many true believers are left after all this time.

    I'm betting there isn't more than a handful
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    One place I don't think OC will be soliciting citizens is in Indonesia. The MAS posted this on their government website: Investor Alert List

    They listed every possible name of OC known to them.

    And the Chief Excuse Officer, Igor Krnic, let it be known that OC will not be offered for trading on a public exchange but on a private exchange in the beginning. A few idiots are praising how this is a smart move on OC's part, while totally ignoring that OC promised a "PUBLIC OFFERING" of OneCoins.
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    The Bond Hearing transcript for Mark Scott has finally been released. The Hearing took place back on September 13, 2018, but not sure why it took so long for the transcript to be released. It is 35 pages long and contains some bombshell comments from the US Attorneys.

    The Prosecutor minced no words in claiming, and I quote:
    "OneCoin as “a fraudulent cryptocurrency”. This fraud scheme was international in scope and brought in approximately $4 billion worldwide from victims. The JUDGE: Can I just ask a question about that. Is that cryptocurrency fraud scheme in the nature of a pump and dump or Ponzi, or do you know? PROSECUTOR: It is (a) hybrid Ponzi pyramid scheme. It is a fraudulent cryptocurrency that does not have, as far as the investigation has determined, a true blockchain, and most investors have not been able to recoup or take their money out of the scheme once they invest in these coins. There is some degree of Ponzi scheme here simply because there are commissions paid to promoters and recruiters in order to bring in more victims."

    The Prosecutor let it be known all the information they have accumulated and confiscated: bank accounts, emails, cell phones, computers, thumb drives, you get the picture, is voluminous. She also let it be known that they had joined OneCoin and had all the documents they provided to the members as well.

    The entire 35 page document is an interesting read. One of the gems I gleamed from reading the transcript was the a discussion about coconspirators working with Mark. It was mentioned that one of the coconspirators had fled Germany, and they didn't know where "SHE" had fled. Speculation is they were talking about Ruja, but her last known residence was still in Bulgaria, but many think she has now fled to Dubai. Personally I think it was the OneCoin attorney. No doubt it will be revealed at trial, unless Mark makes a plea deal.

    There was another hearing the first part of November to work out the details of Mark's house arrest and which houses he would be allowed to visit. He has a home in Florida and 3 in Massachusetts. Right now he is confined to his Florida address. His bond was set at $2.5 Million and he had to put up $750,000 to get released from custody.

    If you want to read the transcript, here's the link: https://www.scribd.com/document/397996997/Mark-Scott

    Add Sebastian Greenwood to this mix and I think Ruja and her gang of thieves are starting to sweat bullets. I was expecting the results of his list of charges would have been released by now. He must be spilling "the beans," because I don't see him falling on the sword for Ruja. If he is going down, he is going to take her down with him. I wonder if the U.S. will go after more of the "leaders" of OneCoin in the near future. It will be interesting to see who it is if they do.
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    Here are some of the comments made by the Prosecutor, Ms. Lozano, at the bond hearing of note:

    "During the search warrants, we obtained hard copies of documents, corporate documents, as well as multiple electronic devices, including ESI. There is the potential of an enormous amount of data because we recovered at least 17 phones, six laptops, two iPads and three memory cards and five flash drives.

    ....we were able to seize, identify, and restrain approximately 25 accounts, both domestic and international, on the basis that those accounts had illicit funds flowing through them. It is entirely possible and it is likely that we have not identified all of his accounts, and in fact, we know that he was not fully truthful when he reported in July to the IRS the status of his foreign accounts. He identified multiple, approximately over ten foreign accounts, both in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland. All of those accounts together had approximately $60 million in them, but he failed to identify several accounts that we know from the investigation he holds in the Bank of Ireland.

    ....the sentence guidelines range for his conduct based on the amount of money that he laundered is so high that it exceeds the statutory maximum for the crime charged here."


    And just think, there are no doubt other accounts that will eventually be discovered that will contain even more money than already known, and this is not counting what is in the bank accounts in Ireland. This is one fascinating and intriguing case. I am sure the trial will contain even more bombshells, unless of course he does a plea deal and keeps all the good stuff from being disclosed.
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    I knew sooner or later the topic of the transcript of Mark Scott's Bond Hearing would be mentioned at Igor's NON-debate blog, and sure enough they commented. I also knew they would take everything said out of context and do their typical cult response that anything negative said about OneCoin was the actions of a hater.

    Now all that was done was an article was posted that provided the text of this bond hearing. This was not a newspaper article talking about Mark Scott and OneCoin, but the actual transcript of the bond hearing. This is what one jonone had to say, and I quote:


    "Check out this article. they always want to just call onecoin a ponzi pyramid scheme. them as in the USA government. haha funny im sure, because they don't want it to succeed.i do wonder what this 400mil dollars is about, igor, any ideas? they always fail to talk about dealshaker and just talk about how people "can't get their money out".

    then they go on to say how the onecoin and its blockchain is fake from their own investigation. haha what? its already been investigated by germany and they have found nothing wrong. more propaganda to feed their lies.

    Lozano described OneCoin as a “hybrid Ponzi pyramid scheme.” The company markets purported cryptocurrency packages to investors with promises of large returns, but according to Lozano, investigations have determined that the currency lacks a true blockchain, the algorithm that gives cryptocoins their value.

    ″... Most investors have not been able to recoup or take their money out of the scheme once they invest in these coins,” Lozano said. “There is some degree of Ponzi scheme here simply because there are commissions paid to promoters and recruiters in order to bring in more victims.”

    and there it is again, related to the article i posted previously. once again media trying to defame onecoin with false claims. i guess i got my answer. although im curious as to why the company gave this guy 400 million dollars."


    After a long silence, Igor finally responded to his question, as well as his take on the Mark Scott case, and I quote:

    "I gotta like how propaganda is hyping prosecutor Lozano's claim that onecoin is a ponzi-pyramid hybrid :)

    I read the whole court document. Her every word clearly shows she was educated from Tim Tayshun-like source since she "knows that investigation showed no blockchain (wrong) and she "knows" there is open ongoing invertigation around onecoin in Germany (when in fact there are or were 187 of them worldwide, most of them in deadend. There will soon be official news about investigations.
    Also, the whole case is like a TV soap, I thought my country courts were funny.

    As for Marc Scott case, I wanted to make a topic but no need cause onecoin was not a client of his, I would assume that likes of Sebastian or other ex leaders laundered their compensation plan money or who knows what other money through his company.

    I think UAE bank holds the key to whom did Marc send that money :) In the court document you can also see that Marc's lawyer also thinks onecoin is shady and he even mentions its name and founder (as she) missing. They are trying to defend Marc that he was not client of onecoin and also that he did not know money was dirty :D

    But hey, propaganda assumes it is Onecoin itself as a company. Nice professionalism guys"


    Igor has just said that the US Attorney and her criminal investigators do not know what they are talking about when it comes to OneCoin, he knows more about who OneCoin does business with than the US Attorney and her investigators, he knows that the ongoing criminal investigation is not ongoing at all, and he is smarter than all the criminal investigators and the US Attorney when they have all the documents that support their charges and he has NONE, ZERO, NIL, NADA, ZILCH documents to support his claims.

    Who to believe, who to believe? The US Attorney and her team of criminal investigators or Igor the Chief Excuse Officer for Ruja and OneCoin? A tough one to call but I think I will go with the US Attorney and her team of criminal investigators. How about you?
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    makes one wonder why they don't dare do biz in the US with all the money that's here if it was legit.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    OneCoin deliberately stayed away from the US fearing US Law Enforcement Agencies would shut it down. Ironically it very well may be the US who takes OneCoin down with the Mark Scott and Sebastian Greenwood cases.
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    To illustrate the "cult mentality" of OneCoin, OneCoin has denied US citizens from participating in OneCoin. Given the legal action taken by the US Authorities against OneCoin in the Mark Scott case and extradition of Sebastian Greenwood (OC's #2 person) to the US, now comes this gem from one of the cult members and I quote:

    "We just had a webinar for our USA group, since the USA is getting ready to open up for merchants. one of the guys said he thinks onecoin will be tradeable in 2-3 weeks and then went on to talk about how users will have to wait 6 months - 1 year before they can trade it, by that i assume he meant the exchange. my question is why did he say that in the first place? pure speculation, but maybe he knows something we don't? i do know the guys running the panel for this zoom are in direct contact with denis murdock whos in direct contact with corporate.

    well anyways it would be nice to see the exchange launch soon so the merchant base can grow even larger"


    Anyone who believes anything out of the mouth of Denis Murdock needs to have their head examined. I don't think OC will ever make it to any exchange to trade, but if they do it will be some obscure and fake exchange like Bitforex.com. The same exchange that NSG (NASHGO/SHARENODE) uses for their pump and dump offering.
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    "laundered funds through hedge funds in the Cayman Islands and sent the majority of these funds back to the unnamed founders of the scheme

    "transferred $15.5m in fees into his personal and corporate accounts, which federal prosecutors say was used to buy waterfront property, luxury vehicles and luxury watches"


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    I think when Sebastian Greenwood is formally charged and arraigned, we will find out that Sebastian was one of the unnamed founders of the scheme Mark Scott wired the money to, along with Ruja. There is no way she did not receive any funds from Mark. Now if the US will just extradite her back for this case would make my day. You can bet she staying away from any country that has an extradition treaty with the US.
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    The Mark Scott case is heating up. On February 8th Mark Scott was served a grand jury subpoena, requesting a wide variety of documents related to OneCoin. The documents were requested from Scott in his capacity as custodian of MSS International Consultants. MSS International Consultants is one of the many shell companies OneCoin used to launder investor funds.

    On February 15th Scott’s attorney informed the DOJ that Scott would assert his Fifth Amendment privilege in response to the subpoena. Subsequently Scott’s attorney asked he be released from the subpoena. The DOJ refused, on the grounds Scott doesn’t have a Fifth Amendment privilege as custodian. Scott has now turned to the District Court to resolve the matter.

    In Scott’s attorney’s filing, he states; The subpoena calls for Mr. Scott to determine which if any documents “pertain to” the listed individuals and companies. From this wording it is clear that the Grand Jury is looking at more than one individual. Speculation is that this could be Sebastian Greenwood who was extradited back to the US, and could also include Irina Dilinska, Corporate Attorney for OneCoin (no longer in that role), Frank Ricketts, Pierre Ahrens, Pablo Munoz, Ed Ludbrook, Konstantin Ignatov, Kari Wahlroos, and of course Ruja Ignatova/Founder/CEO; all who held/hold management positions in OneCoin.

    It is going to be interesting to see how the District Court rules on this matter. Personally I think the District Court will deny Scot a 5th amendment defense and make him turn over the documents. It is going to be interesting to see just who all the "individuals" are in this Grand Jury action.
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