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    Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    For sure, there are a lot of wacky companies in the MLM world. And on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say Seacret Spa must rank at least a 9.5 on the nutty scale.

    The history of the company goes something like this.

    Moty Ben Shabat moved to the United States from Isreal after completing his mandatory time in the Isreali military. He purchased an ice cream truck and opened his own business in Dallas, Texas. The ice cream business began to grow and Moty convinced his brother, Izahk, to come "visit" him in the United States. Izahk Ben Shabat came to help his brother for only two weeks but ended up staying to help grow the family business.

    The Ben Shabat family business grew and changed to selling products from kiosks in malls around the country. First, it’s toys, then nail care kits, adding other beauty products, in the malls at small stands called kiosks. They began inviting friends from Isreal to come to the United States to help work in the malls and earn extra income for their families back in Isreal.

    They had known of the healing powers of the dead sea dating back thousands of years. While living in Isreal they took frequent trips to the dead sea to help with any physical, mental or emotional problems. They like to say that no matter what is happening you will feel better after experiencing the dead sea.

    They realized the great potential for sales working at mall kiosks and decided to sell skin and nail care products from the dead sea. After formulating and creating dead sea products they began selling them in malls across the country. They earned their first Million dollars after only 4 months in the business.

    By 2005 they had over 14,000 kiosks being manned by Isreali employees who worked up to 13 hours a day.
    Now here's where it gets funny!

    Google Seacret Spa and just take a look at the piles of complaints about the company and their sales tactics.

    This one is particularly funny....

    Seacret Spa sexually accosts my mother

    On a slightly more personal note, today, an employee of Seacret Spa decided that, presumably because we passed his booth twice over and did not listen to him the first time, he gained carte blanche to sexually accost my mother, making a crude remark about her breasts.

    I’ve attached the note below, but here’s the short story: While both I and my mother were walking through Valley Hills Mall in Hickory, NC, we passed by a “Seacret Spa” booth- it’s a company that sells skin creams and other sorts of things. When we passed by a third time, one of the employees, a man with long hair wearing a Seacret Spa smock, decided to walk up to my mother, stare directly at her breasts, and say, and I quote: “Oh my god, are those real?”...
    So anyways the author didn't take too kindly to that and fired off a letter to head office, which begins...

    Seacret Spa,

    My name is Kirk Sigmon and I’m contacting you in regards to your Valley Hills Mall booth in Hickory, North Carolina. I found that one of your employees was incredibly rude to my mother, to which I have taken great offense, and, at minimum, I would like a formal apology for the actions of your crude staff....
    In 2010 a Betty Perez approached Seacret Spa and asked them to consider Network Marketing for Seacret. They agreed and the new direct sales branch of Seacret Spa - "Seacret Direct" was formed. Hayden Daughters, Betty Perez and Robert Meirovich officially launched Seacret Direct on June 1st, 2011.

    Some people might remember that guy with the odd name - Hayden Daughters - from ACN.

    And that basically seems to be how Seacret Direct came about.

    They sure have an interesting history if you search around a bit!

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Hmmn,

    is peddling mud to Americans more difficult than selling ice to Eskimos ??
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    This won't end well.

    Back sometime in the early years of the 20th century, or perhaps the end of the 19th, someone came up with the idea of using Dead Sea water as a commercial antiseptic.

    The problem? Guess what the one major germ was that it not only didn't kill, but would thrive and grow rapidly in the supposedly pan-antibacterial water was?
    Tuberculosis.

    Needless to say, shortly after he found this out, he dropped the whole idea like the proverbial hot potato.
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    People are just so vain.

    I've never been able to understand the youthful skin market companies like NuSkin and Seacret Spa cater to.

    All it means in the end is that you're going to look nice on display in your coffin, and that you save the embalmer some work.

    NuSkin's Sandie Tillotson is a perfect example.

    She looks not too bad for her age from the neck up - nice skin and all.

    But her 3rd husband, Adam Baker, goes to great length in his book talking about her fat saggy ass and prune tits.

    So really, what has she accomplished?

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    People do spend a lot of money to try and keep a 'young' face and I wonder if it is worth it. Elizabeth Taylor had so much plastic surgery IMO she looked grotesque. She had a major influence on Michael Jackson because he wanted to look like her. She was beautiful and could have remained so with just minor help. Do those expensive cosmetics really work? Or is the face lifts, cosmetic surgery that helps more.

    Whether fortunate or not, I have never been able to use but certain kinds of facial cosmetics because I am allergic to many of them. My choice has mainly been using as much natural ingredients as possible for facial creams. I have to be careful about makeup also and find the more expensive ones cause some problems. Oil of Olay is one that I can use if I stick with the sensitive skin line.

    Sandie Tillotson sounds like a wealthy slut to me and yes if those are recent pictures, she still looks good (with clothes on) but for how much longer??

    Once I ordered some of those natural minerals powders that was supposed to replace the cream-based makeup and just make your own skin glow - thank goodness it was a trial!! My skin glowed all right, it looked and felt like it was on fire!! I returned the once-used containers, kept the brushes and was able to cancel an order. So much for 'natural'!!

    So let me end by saying NO to NuSkin and Seacret Spa!! Thanks Doc!
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Scratchycat
    So much for 'natural'!!
    HeHe,

    was it "natural" like snake venom, "natural" like strychnine or "natural" like a toadstool ??
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    So why does Seacret Spa hire mainly Israeli workers?

    This might be the reason...


    Most of these kiosk workers are young Israelis fresh out of the military, so they have no problem being aggressive as salespeople (it's a cultural thing, plus add in their recent military training). I read an article saying that some of these companies tried hiring Americans to sell the products, but the American salespeople were "too nice" and didn't sell enough because they took no for an answer and didn't push/manipulate people into buying it (something the Israelis have no problem doing).

    Which in turns leads to stories in the papers such as these...


    Cops bust illegal workers in Ottawa-Gatineau

    The Canada Border Services Agency raided eight shopping centres in Ottawa and Gatineau Monday, arresting 30 suspected illegal workers — 15 in each city — at kiosks selling beauty products.

    A booth called Seacret is set up on the main floor at Bayshore, and witnesses tell the Sun they saw one man in his early 20s taken away in cuffs by four cops and four CBSA officers shortly after 2 p.m...

    Suspected illegal workers arrested in Halifax


    Border services agents and Halifax police raided a Clayton Park home and kiosks at three shopping malls Wednesday in a search for illegal Israeli workers...

    According to a five-page report by the U.S. ambassador to Israel, released by WikiLeaks in August, Halifax may be a single stop in a growing international scam that has sent young Israelis to Australia, New Zealand, Europe and the United States on the promise of $1,500 to $3,000 per week selling goods like skin care products in mall kiosks.
    Illegal Israelis Lured to Mall Kiosks

    "Keren," an Israeli in her mid-20s, worked last year at what has become a seasonal high-paying job for thousands of young Israelis: selling body lotions, face creams and other such products at shopping mall kiosks throughout the United States in the months leading up to Christmas. According to Keren, who spoke with The Journal on the condition that her real name not be used, most of these Israelis are here on a tourist visa which, according to the law, does not permit them to work in the United States...
    However you cut it, not good publicity!

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Hmmn,

    hang on while I scoot down to the local mall to buy a coupla tins of mud from some illegal Israeli aggressive salespeople.
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Just make sure you don't piss off some Mossad agent.

    And that the guy isn't some Krav Maga expert.

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    HeHe,

    was it "natural" like snake venom, "natural" like strychnine or "natural" like a toadstool ??
    I have no idea what "natural" minerals they put in that stuff but my skin did not like it!!!
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Illegal Israelis Lured to Mall Kiosks

    "Keren," an Israeli in her mid-20s, worked last year at what has become a seasonal high-paying job for thousands of young Israelis: selling body lotions, face creams and other such products at shopping mall kiosks throughout the United States in the months leading up to Christmas. According to Keren, who spoke with The Journal on the condition that her real name not be used, most of these Israelis are here on a tourist visa which, according to the law, does not permit them to work in the United States...
    Oh yeah, sure, I will be buying these products!! You can always trust the illegals, right...
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    While this incident may have occurred, your "facts" about why/how Seacret Direct was created are TOTALLY FAKSE ... And the kiosks were/are not all manned by Isaelis. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST. I don't know where you got your information, but you certainly didn't speak/communicate with a reliable source or anyone at the company itself. You are obviously relying on previous inaccurate media accounts. Try talking to the CEO, izhak Ben Shabat, or Betty Perez.

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post
    While this incident may have occurred, your "facts" about why/how Seacret Direct was created are TOTALLY FAKSE ... And the kiosks were/are not all manned by Isaelis. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST. I don't know where you got your information, but you certainly didn't speak/communicate with a reliable source or anyone at the company itself. You are obviously relying on previous inaccurate media accounts. Try talking to the CEO, izhak Ben Shabat, or Betty Perez.
    LOL, or his brother, Hassan ben Gedeneny...
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    lol. wacky scammer shows up 3 years later with absolutely no facts whatsoever while crying about the facts.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by laidback View Post
    LOL, or his brother, Hassan ben Gedeneny...
    The only place there ISN'T common sense is at this website, where no true investigation is done and only inaccurate media comments are used.

    1) ScratchyCat and the other "scam busters" haven't busted any scam here. The only way to do that is to actually USE the products or interview company representatives, neither of which you have done.

    2) ALL skin care and/or cosmetic companies have SOME clients who may respond adversely to their products. That doesn't make the company's claims untrue. And FYI - some people react adverse to "all natural" products too. CAVEAT EMPTOR - READ THE LABEL. If you have any allergy or sensitivity to a certain component listed there, DONT BUY IT!!! (Duh!)

    3) I don't know who Hassan is supposed to be, but the "joke" isn't even funny... and I think the surname isn't even spelled right.
    loser:: RpS_glare::

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    For sure, there are a lot of wacky companies in the MLM world. And on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say Seacret Spa must rank at least a 9.5 on the nutty scale.

    The history of the company goes something like this.



    Now here's where it gets funny!

    Google Seacret Spa and just take a look at the piles of complaints about the company and their sales tactics.

    This one is particularly funny....

    Seacret Spa sexually accosts my mother



    So anyways the author didn't take too kindly to that and fired off a letter to head office, which begins...



    In 2010 a Betty Perez approached Seacret Spa and asked them to consider Network Marketing for Seacret. They agreed and the new direct sales branch of Seacret Spa - "Seacret Direct" was formed. Hayden Daughters, Betty Perez and Robert Meirovich officially launched Seacret Direct on June 1st, 2011.

    Some people might remember that guy with the odd name - Hayden Daughters - from ACN.

    And that basically seems to be how Seacret Direct came about.

    They sure have an interesting history if you search around a bit!

    "You can do much better than letting a pervert smear salty lotion on your face in the middle of a mall."

    Hahaha.

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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Katra View Post
    "You can do much better than letting a pervert smear salty lotion on your face in the middle of a mall."

    Hahaha.
    One of the arcades where I hang has a guy that offers that service, but dad always told me not go with strangers, they may want to pitch you MLM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post
    3) I don't know who Hassan is supposed to be, but the "joke" isn't even funny... and I think the surname isn't even spelled right.
    loser:: RpS_glare::
    "Hassan ben Geden-eny.."

    Actually pretty funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post
    1) ScratchyCat and the other "scam busters" haven't busted any scam here.
    I don't see that anyone said they "busted" a "scam". Could you quote that from the above comments, or is all this huffiness over a three year old thread about something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post
    The only way to do that is to actually USE the products or interview company representatives, neither of which you have done.
    My lucky day, at some point in the past I had an encounter with a young lady at a kiosk selling http://www.amazon.com/Seacret-Collec.../dp/B004Z92C9O

    The demonstration was something like this:



    The sales pitch something like this.

    Was I suckered by the Seacret saleslady? | Yoga Spy

    Long story short I forget what I paid, maybe $20 bucks for two nail kits. One for me and one for the missus, I think she still has her kit. I never could get my nails to shine like the girl at the mall did, but for once in my life I felt pretty, and you can't put a price on that.

    Before and After.JPG

    Lotta customers with stuff to say.

    Top 28 Complaints and Reviews about Seacret Spa
    Dead Sea Products Seacrets Kiosk - CLOSED - Cosmetics & Beauty Supply - SoMa - San Francisco, CA - Reviews - Yelp
    Seacret Spa - Cosmetics & Beauty Supply - Near North Side - Chicago, IL - Reviews - Photos - Yelp
    Seacret Direct - All Just a Facade!! Review 279842 Jun 30, Los Angeles, California, Seacret Skin Care @ Pissed Consumer
    Ripoff Report | Seacret Skin Care Products Complaint Review Internet: 1035549
    Seacret - nail buffer reviews, photos - Makeupalley


    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post

    2) ALL skin care and/or cosmetic companies have SOME clients who may respond adversely to their products. That doesn't make the company's claims untrue. And FYI - some people react adverse to "all natural" products too. CAVEAT EMPTOR - READ THE LABEL. If you have any allergy or sensitivity to a certain component listed there, DONT BUY IT!!! (Duh!)
    Again, I am not certain where this is coming from, was something quoted above?
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    Re: Seacret Spa - Peddling Black Mud From the Banks of the Dead Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebee View Post
    1) ScratchyCat and the other "scam busters" haven't busted any scam here. The only way to do that is to actually USE the products or interview company representatives, neither of which you have done.
    Are you a Seacret representative available for a few interview like questions/comments?

    Not so much concerned with the product, its quality, or its price I love a good apricot scrub as much as the next man.


    What does concern me with MLM is the "opportunity" to earn some extra money side of the equation. What we see across MLM is Pink Truth » Myth of MLM Income Opportunity: 99% Lose Money in MLM .

    With Seacret I found these two beautiful slides that allude to massive income possibilities. At the bottom of the second slide there is some fine print that directs the reader to the income disclosure. Could you provide the most recent disclosure so that we can see if the Seacret opportunity is skewed differently than the typical MLM?

    Income Disclosure Statement.JPG

    Income Disclosure Statementii.JPG



    ================================================== ==================

    From your companies agreement, online selling is prohibited yet 488 listings as of today at seacret | eBay. How is an agent supposed to compete with affiliates that are either dumping product due to inventory loading, or are flat out breaking the rules?

    3.6 Online Classifieds You may not use online classifieds (in-cluding Craigslist) to list, sell or retail specific Seacretproducts or product bundles.


    $45,000 a month "passive residual income" at 14:00, how is that not an income projection in violation of 3.19? More importantly what percentage of distributors are making this level of income?



    3.19 Income Claims Because Seacret Agents do not have the data necessary to comply with the legal requirements for making income claims, an
    Agent, when presenting or discussing the Seacret opportunity or Compensation Plan to a prospective Agent , may not make income projections, income claims,
    or disclose his or her Seacret income (including, but not limited to, the showing of checks, copies of checks, bank statements, or tax records).


    A 35 page contract that seems very one sided in favor of the company. All the risk of loss held by the independent contractor, any concerns on your end in these pages?

    3.28 Independent Contractor Status Agents are independent contractors.


    https://c06f4633e8fbf280ff7b-531ca14...n.com/2017.pdf
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