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    Some Amway Defenders Never Quit!

    Amway propaganda task force attacking Wikipedia
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    Some 200 edits have been done to english article about Amway just during last 20 days – the same amount of edits took over a year to do before the attack. That is the result of ongoing Amway zealots activity on english Wikipedia. It had been all started on March 8 by user with nick „Historik75“, who was soon reinforced by user „Icerat“. Who are these guys and what is their goal?

    User Icerat, well known as ibofightback, is Australian David Steadson currently residing in Sweden. It is well known Amway zealot active over a decade and also active (or used to be active) Amway member with proven result of 3% (what a success!) in his Amway business. He is also IT guy and owner of over 20 websites dedicated to Amway, where he publishes spinned pro-Amway propaganda.

    Historik 75 is czech version of ibofightback. Online active for over 2 years and also owner of around 20 pro-Amway websites in czech and most probably way more succesfull in Amway, as he reached 15% some 7 years ago, though no evidence of further successes exists since then.
    These two guys joined together and have been non stop editing english Wikipedia for some 20 days already. What are their goals? According to Historik 75 claims it is well sourced and balanced articles about Amway and MLM in general on Wikipedia.

    What does he really mean by such a claim? Well, check this:

    https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway

    It is article about Amway on czech Wikipedia and Historik75 control this page daily for some 2 years already. Erased all the criticism and does not allow anyone to add some. The same „balanced“ attitude is shown also here:

    https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A...3%BD_marketing

    Again, no criticism is allowed, only „criticism“ is, that he mentioned 1979 FTC ruling, that is all.

    This „balanced“ attitude is currently being applied to english version of Amway article on Wikipedia. Both guys had already been accused of canvassing and starting edit war. No matter what, they just continue their job, with little respect to opinions of regular Wikipedist.

    Constant erasing of whatever is not pro-Amway, sort of attrition war, which Historik 75 did on czech Wikipedia would not be a good strategy, as it would cause instant ban for both, so in this case Historik75 and ibofightback applied salami tactics.

    They are constantly reshaping and reformulating (ie. spindoctoring) existing text and slowly, bit by bit, erasing texts and links, which provided full picture and also trying to add pro-Amway or straight Amway sources.
    In this manner article about Amway losses denied at tax court published in Forbes had already vanished. Historik75 claims, that it is not related to Amway!!!:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjre.../#6e6cd96165f0

    Of course it is, because at first it clearly shows the income (sorry, losses) opportunity in Amway – total net loss of over 190 000 dollars during 6 years of building Amway business. Secondly, you can see the dedication of these people – they were recruiting, visiting Amway gatherings etc. Other Amway claim is, that they provide their IBOs with superb educational system for the business and yet after 6 years of generating losses these Amway victims do not have any business plan, nor are able to fill their tax declaration correctly??? What an educational system!!!

    But what is most remarkable is, that till this couple was buying goods and generating points to the uplines, everything was ok, but once they got into problems with tax court, did they got any help from Amway? No! Amway turned its back on them and Historik75 described the couple as tax frauds, though there are dozens of similar cases all around the US:

    Passive Activities and Other Oxymorons: Selling Soap as a Hobby - Amway IBO's in Tax Court
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    Re: Some Amway Defenders Never Quit!

    If people have to continually defend something going on decades there's probably something indefensible. It's painfully obvious as a profitable business Amway has benefited very few. Even when it worked, it didn't always work.






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    Re: Some Amway Defenders Never Quit!

    One of the main pitches I've heard through the years for Amway is that of self consumption. Simply replace everything you'd normally buy with Amway products and show others how to do the same, repeat until rich. For the consumer the market seems to have spoken, otherwise the attrition rate wouldn't be so high. IMO if people found value they would continue to buy the products even if they didn't want to promote the opportunity.

    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/prices.htm

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    Re: Some Amway Defenders Never Quit!

    Actually it makes no difference what the name of the MLM program is, because every MLM and member does this. You would think by now that people would wise-up and realize that despite all the claims of how wonderful and brilliant the MLM concept is, that it's not. The landscape is littered with failed MLM programs, and of course that does not count the millions of people worldwide who have lost all their money trying to achieve success in the MLM business. model. The problem is MLM is a great concept on paper, but only on paper. It does not work in real life.

    The only ones making money in MLM are the top producers, meaning they know how to promote and have a huge downline, but they don't make 51% of their income from the MLM Products to a retail customer. They make about 80% of their income from selling books, tapes and their training seminars, 14% from their donwlines signup fees and purchases, and the remaining 6% from their retail customers. Amway just has the distinction of being around the longest, and it has only been a success for the people who started it and who now are in charge of Amway.

    I have only touched the very tip of exposing this MLM iceberg.
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