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    Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Sure, it's looking pretty ragged around the edges, and the chrome has a layer of rust, but they ain't dead just yet... Maybe we could start a pool on when it will completely collapse in on itself?

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Awwww. One of my favorites... Am I being overly pessimistic to think that YTB will be dead by Christmas? That would be such a nice present...
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    YTB sued as pyramid

    June 15, 2010

    The class claims YTB generates about 75 percent of its revenue by using independent marketing representatives to recruit referring travel agents to buy online travel agencies from the defendants.
    (Thanks to Judge Roy Bean from Quatloos!)

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    75% of it's revenue comes from the fees people pay to join? If true I wish the best of luck in court to the plaintiff class.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Kind of a bummer since they used to be so fun to kick around and now they're pretty much dead. Of course the main YTB thread was deleted at scam.com with no reason given. Just one more MLM that will fail. Who's next? I'm going with TraVerus followed by WorldVultures (in the travel MLM field). But for every one that fails, a new one will emerge. More on that later.
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    I. for one, will always be happy to kick YTBs ass. I swear if TW puts them on the 'power list' again I'll know for sure Coach scratched up some payola from the Scamzoo coffers.
    But it's a dry heat!

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    YTB gets some local ink...

    YTB target of another class action | ytb, suit, claims - Local News - The Telegraph

    And they say there's no such thing as bad press.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Unbelievable!


    I just opened my new issue of Travel Weekly and they list YTB as #29 on the PowerList 2010.

    2009 Sales: $252.1 million
    Employees: 210
    Previous Ranking: 25

    This is impossible.
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash View Post
    Unbelievable!


    I just opened my new issue of Travel Weekly and they list YTB as #29 on the PowerList 2010.

    2009 Sales: $252.1 million
    Employees: 210
    Previous Ranking: 25

    This is impossible.
    210 employees? They must be counting the rats in the dumpster as employees now. 40 cars don't generaly bring over 200 people to work, unless they work in a circus maybe.
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    DSN report 2009 (for what it's worth):

    YTB International
    Sales: $67.3 million
    Wholesale Corporate Revenue: $67.3 million
    Marketing Style: Person-to-person and party plan
    Compensation Plan: Multi-level
    Products: Sales of travel, travel products and travel websites
    Markets: 6
    Distributors: 41,175
    Employees: 150
    Then there's this:
    YTB Expects to Report $9.9 Million Loss for 2009
    A half-truth is a whole lie.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Let's compare here. Both are travel MLMs on the PowerList.

    YTB

    Rank 29
    2009 Sales: $252.1 million
    Employees: 210
    Previous Ranking: 25
    ARC sales: $11.2 million
    Hosts 41,174 travel sellers
    90% of sales from leisure, 10% business

    Global Travel International (GTI)

    Rank 52
    2009 Sales: $102. million
    Employees: 70
    Previous Ranking: 53
    ARC sales: $18 million
    Hosts 20,000 travel sellers
    70% of sales from leisure, 20% from business, 10% unmanaged (corporate travel, sales meetings, incentive trips)

    Notice the huge differences? The ARC sales which go hand in hand with online booking engines which both utilize nearly exclusively. And GTI has less than half of the "travel sellers." I'm not buying the YTB results. It's impossible.
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    That number was reported on the year end report. And you also need to remember this was the snapshot six months ago. But I agree, the numbers are cloudy. Even in the SEC report they say that the sales "reported by the travel vendors" is $252M. What travel company does not know to the dollar how much travel was sold in their company?

    But to further amplify the fudging, they reported travel commissions received of 12,201,000.

    ARC Sales $11.2 million that is about 22K tickets issued (nat;l avg $500). They make nothing on the sale other than the $5 fee they used to assess. So that is $112K of commission.

    That leaves them with 12,089,000 in commission on leisure sales of $240,800,000. This is a solid 5% commission. Leisure commissions for the weakest agencies are at 10%. YTB does about 70% of their business wiht Carnival and in 2009 they were at 16%.

    So 70% of $252,000,000 is is $176,400,000. NCFs are about 10% with Carnival, so subtract 17,640,000 for a commissionable total of $158,760,000. AT 16%, if their numbers are accurate they should have realized $25,401,600 in commission from Carnival ALONE!

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    I wonder why the DSN numbers and those reported to TW are so vastly different? I agree...the numbers just don't add up. TW must not have a calculator in their office.
    But it's a dry heat!

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    If we can't kick around ytb, can we at least kick around Rod and doofus?

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Well, it is July 2 and I am sure that VanPatten is busy figuring out how to present the financials. Will ZamZuu be the savior? I doubt it. But I do believe this will be a good opportunity to cloud the numbers even more by combining YTB and ZAM ZUU recruiting numbers to show that the bleed has stopped.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Hey John, welcome to the light at the end of the dark tunnel. lol How are you? Please return anytime and add to this forum. Feel free to contribute anywhere or start a thread or whatever. Hope this post finds you well.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Hey, so this is where you all have been hiding at. Guess what I'm back!

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Hey Malique!!! Where the heck have you been, buddy! PIOTB here!!! lol Really glad to see you! Don't be a stranger, visit often and feel free to participate anytime. Hope you and your family are well.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    By the way, for any reading who don't know about John's blog, it's a great source for all things YTB over the past few years to the present!
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    Hey, thanks for the plug--and be sure to click an ad on your way out--baby needs new shoes! LOL

    I guess the next thing will be the release of the 2Q numbers August 15th at the latest. But they also have that note due at the end of August and the convention in there.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Quote Originally Posted by john70816 View Post
    If we can't kick around ytb, can we at least kick around Rod and doofus?
    I would love to have Rod pay us a visit, he was always a barrel of laughs at SCAM and on John's blog! I arrived to late to get to spar with the great Doofus/Deadbeat T.R.U.T.B. Doug, so it'd be great fun if he'd stop by too... I'm guessing they won't though.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malique2 View Post
    Hey, so this is where you all have been hiding at. Guess what I'm back!
    Hey, welcome. Bet you're busy preparing for the YTB convention this year. Or is it the ScamZuu convention? Sorry, Malique, no FunShine this year. I really was looking forward to some more pics.
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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    I googled 'Zamzuu' as I was curious as to what it was. It is a shopping portal, right? You are suppose to go through that site to get to another site to make purchases and hopefully get a discount or rebate, is that correct?

    I clicked on one of the stores listed there and an annoying form popped up asking for my email address if I wanted to 'Earn Cash Back' or I could click on 'No, Thanks' and enter the website without giving my email address or so it looks. When I tried to click on 'No, Thanks' the same window popped up again. Maybe my computer was was blocking something or maybe you aren't suppose to go to a store website without giving up an email address.

    On the home page there is a link to 'Nutraceutics: High Quality, Safe & Efficacious Supplements' but I can't get there without putting in the business owner who referred me.

    The visit wasn't a complete waste, however, I learned a new word today, efficacious and it is a doozy. According to Wikipedia it means "having the power to produce a desired effect". Umm, doesn't that sound like a fancy version of the word 'placebo'?

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    The reason for the email is that you will then be contacted about the opportunity to own your own mall and eaarn commissions off the people who shop online. It is not a new idea and I know I heard a pitch for the same deal from Market America back in 2002 or 2003. The only difference is YTB/ZamZuu has a few exclusive products--several of which (the water and the girdles at least) are in fact companies that are owned by some of the "online mall operators" themselves.

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    Re: Is there enough left of YTB/Zscamzoo to kick around?

    Funny how you can hardly find any mention of YTB on Candi May's blog - one of YTB's stars, a "real travel agent". YTB doesn't even make her bio anymore, and her rented website is way down in the fine print somewhere...
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